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| Mamabird |
"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
> > I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements
aren't
> >coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater.
I also
> >would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as
making sure
> >that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary
heating that
> >you use in your bird room/aviary.
>
> Why in the hell would a space heater need non-stick surfaces on its
> heating elements? Nichrome wire doesn't rust.
>
> What gets cooked on the coils of a space heater?
>
> A bit too much Teflon paranoia here.
>
> Crank a new heater up away from the birds, to let oils and solvents
> outgass somewhere else, but then it will be fine.
Exactly! New space heaters do have a coating on the elements (not teflon!).
I remember reading this in the owner's manual for a new heater I bought a
few years ago. It said there would be a slight odor for a few minutes while
this coating burned off, so I called the manufacturer and although they
didn't think it would hurt the birds, they recommended running the heater
for an hour or so in a place away from the birds just to be sure, which I
always do with a new heater.
On cold nights I run two electric space heaters in the birds' room with no
problems. Tonight is going to be one of those nights. :)
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"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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| "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
| > I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements aren't
| >coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater. I
also
| >would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as making
sure
| >that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary heating
that
| >you use in your bird room/aviary.
|
| Why in the hell would a space heater need non-stick surfaces on its
| heating elements? Nichrome wire doesn't rust.
|
| What gets cooked on the coils of a space heater?
|
| A bit too much Teflon paranoia here.
|
| Crank a new heater up away from the birds, to let oils and solvents
| outgass somewhere else, but then it will be fine.
John,
The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon in
their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
So the danger of Teflon showing up in area/places that people hadn't
considered in the past. And for more information on the topic feel free to
check out the search results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...nd+%22Pet+Birds
%22
DC
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| John Hines |
"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
>John,
>
> The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
>
>
>Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon in
>their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
>stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
>off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
>fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
>reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
>increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
How about an actual example of a space heater with Teflon coated coils?
Griddles, yes. Hair dryers, no. Lamps unlikely. Yes to things that need
to be cleaned, there is value in that. They don't add costs to their
products with out reason.
With a little care, one can select Teflon free alternatives.
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"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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| "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
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| >John,
| >
| > The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
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| >Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon
in their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
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| How about an actual example of a space heater with Teflon coated coils?
|
| Griddles, yes. Hair dryers, no. Lamps unlikely. Yes to things that need to be
cleaned, there is value in that. They don't add costs to their products with
out reason.
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| With a little care, one can select Teflon free alternatives.
John,
I suggest that you do a Google search on Teflon and hair dryers, space
heaters, etc.
You'll be surprised at how many items these days are being manufactored with
Tefol coating. Here is a link to one document:
http://ceer.alfred.edu/Research/hydrickreport.doc and below is a snippet from
said document:
Introduction
The project was intended to study the effect of coating heating elements with
either Teflon or a silicone-based sealant and then immersing the elements in
water. By using Teflon, a relatively heat-conductive material that is also
electrically insulative the objective of placing a heating element into
virtually direct contact with the medium that it is intended to heat is
achieved. Because of the nature of Teflon, cylindrical element geometry is
optimum and allows the most even and consistent coating. The project intended
to investigate two possible element geometries. Standard heating-coil resistor
wire as would be used in a commercial hair dryer was considered, as was the
possibility of producing a ceramic heating element here at Alfred. The ceramic
element composition chosen for this project was a basic whiteware-style ceramic
body with carbon black added to moderate/control resistivity. The geometry for
this element would be limited to a rectangular solid by the equipment available
to press the powders into a form that could be handled and fired.
DC
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