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Humanhere2

Hello Owly,

Thank you kindly for your reply -- am going to read the site now.

Thanks!
Maggie

Owly

Just some of my own thoughts on avian nutrition in general are at
www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/nutrition.html ; if you go there it will save
me a lot of typing in answer to your question :). Since quakers seem to be
one
of the species that are more prone to problems from diets with too much fat
(especially if you don't allow your bird to fly and get proper exercise),
germinating/sprouting most of the seed portion will resolve those issues.
--
owly
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"Humanhere2" <humanhere2@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031030191950.10607.00000018@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I haven't got a bird yet -- planning on getting a quaker parrot. The
breeder
> is feeding Kaytee Rainbow, but a friend of mine feeds the 8-1 Avizon
parrot
> food. What do you all think of this food? I was looking at different
> ingredients and Avizon has the most vegetables/fruits of the ones I looked
at
> (Kaytee, Zupreem, shoot there was another). I've read good things about
> Roudybush (sp?) -- If you recommend this, why? Are ingredients important?
> What is the best level of protein, fat, fiber?
> I plan to feed a variety of foods (including fresh vegetables, pasta,
dried
> fruits, nuts, etc) -- but as far as pellets go? What do you think is the
best?
> Why? How long have you used said food?
> Also, is there any reason to supplement? With something like Nekton-S or
> Nekton-bio? If so, why? What product? How often?
>
> I know lots of questions -- have been reading like mad. Btw, it will be
my
> first bird -- so any thoughts, insertions, deletions, questions, comments
are
> all welcome.
> I have asked the breeder lots of questions, but not nearly as many as they
> asked me!
>
> Thanks,
> Maggie

Humanhere2

Hi all,

I haven't got a bird yet -- planning on getting a quaker parrot. The breeder
is feeding Kaytee Rainbow, but a friend of mine feeds the 8-1 Avizon parrot
food. What do you all think of this food? I was looking at different
ingredients and Avizon has the most vegetables/fruits of the ones I looked at
(Kaytee, Zupreem, shoot there was another). I've read good things about
Roudybush (sp?) -- If you recommend this, why? Are ingredients important?
What is the best level of protein, fat, fiber?
I plan to feed a variety of foods (including fresh vegetables, pasta, dried
fruits, nuts, etc) -- but as far as pellets go? What do you think is the best?
Why? How long have you used said food?
Also, is there any reason to supplement? With something like Nekton-S or
Nekton-bio? If so, why? What product? How often?

I know lots of questions -- have been reading like mad. Btw, it will be my
first bird -- so any thoughts, insertions, deletions, questions, comments are
all welcome.
I have asked the breeder lots of questions, but not nearly as many as they
asked me!

Thanks,
Maggie

Owly

You're welcome :). I'm jealous, have always wanted a quaker but the bird
room is full! I'll look forward to hearing more about him, how long until
he's weaned and can come home?

--
owly
http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com (being updated this month!)
*Specials and News for October!* (click on Special)
....over 2 dozen sprouting links (click on Sprouting Links)
....avian nutrition ideas and links (click on Nutrition)
Seedjunkies Anon @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seedjunkies
>>>WINTER IS COMING! Help the birds, see www.bird-realty.com <<<

"Humanhere2" <humanhere2@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031030212844.10683.00000023@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Hello Owly,
>
> Thank you kindly for your reply -- am going to read the site now.
>
> Thanks!
> Maggie

Humanhere2

>I'll look forward to hearing more about him, how long until
>he's weaned and can come home?

He won't be entirely weaned when I get him - getting him early December (mind
you not a Xmas gift for anyone else - but myself ). I am learning how to hand
feed (I have done it several times before this bird -- not with my own birds).

I think I have chosen the name Malachi for him, but it isn't final. (Also like
the names - Poet, Thrasymachus, Nicholai, Orfeo, and Shilohin).

Take care,
Maggie

Owly

gcarr

"Humanhere2" <humanhere2@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031030191950.10607.00000018@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I haven't got a bird yet -- planning on getting a quaker parrot. The
breeder
> is feeding Kaytee Rainbow, but a friend of mine feeds the 8-1 Avizon
parrot
> food. What do you all think of this food? I was looking at different
> ingredients and Avizon has the most vegetables/fruits of the ones I looked
at
> (Kaytee, Zupreem, shoot there was another).

Personally I prefer Zupreem or Scenic (which is made by Marion Zoological)
pellets for my birds. Both companies supply zoos and the level of reasearch
that goes into the pellets is pretty high. I am not familar with Avizon, but
I am not impressed with the general quality of 8 in 1. Because of the
cooking process that most pellets go through any natural nutrients in the
ingredients are generally destroyed. That is why most pellet manufactors add
vitamins to the pellet.

I've read good things about
> Roudybush (sp?) -- If you recommend this, why? Are ingredients important?
> What is the best level of protein, fat, fiber?

Quakers are fairly 'average' for parrots. The Association for Avian Vets
(http://www.aav.org/) has a brochure which lists the recomened purportions
of the 'average' parrot diet. I think they will mail them to you for free,
or fax them. Unfortunately the brochure is not displayed on the website.

> I plan to feed a variety of foods (including fresh vegetables, pasta,
dried
> fruits, nuts, etc) -- but as far as pellets go? What do you think is the
best?

A mix. Veggies, cooked grains, and beans for a couple hours in the morning
or evening. Pellet for most of the day, and seed as a treat food in the
evening. The amount eaten by the bird for each food is usually about one
third of their diet.

> Why? How long have you used said food?

Personally I have used it for over four years.

> Also, is there any reason to supplement? With something like Nekton-S or
> Nekton-bio? If so, why? What product? How often?

DO NOT use vitamin supplements if you are using pellets. Period. Pellets are
already supplemented with vitamins, and if you add extra vitamins to thier
diet you will hurt your bird by damaging their kidneys and liver. Of special
consern is Vit. A. Vit. A comes in two froms, the water soluable beta
ceratine, and the non water soluable for (which name escapes me). The water
soluable form is the safest because if your bird eats too much of it the
extra beta ceratine will get excreted. It is found in dark green or dark
orange vegitables. Unfortunately it is also unstable, and will lose its
potancy if stored too long or heated too much. So pellet and vitamin
manufactures use the other, non water soluable, form. As long as the bird
uses most or all of the non water soluable form all is well, but if they are
over supplemented they can sustain liver damage, or even die.

Moral of the story, don't mix vitamins and pellets.

> I know lots of questions -- have been reading like mad. Btw, it will be
my
> first bird -- so any thoughts, insertions, deletions, questions, comments
are
> all welcome.
> I have asked the breeder lots of questions, but not nearly as many as they
> asked me!

Hey, better to ask questions *before* you get the bird, rather then after!
And good luck with your new baby.

> Thanks,
> Maggie

Gloria

oldmolly

Humanhere2

> Look at the broader picture. Why pellets?
> Bear in mind that pellets are marketed as 'complete' diet, needing *no*
>supplementary feeding or additives. It seems to me that if you are prepared
>to offer variety in the birds diet anyway, you can do without expensive
>manufactured food and go with a more natural diet

The complete diet thing actually bothers me. I feed my dogs a raw food
homemade diet -- and I don't like that it says on a bag of kibble -100%
complete and balanced.
The reason I do want to offer pellet (not have to, and I want to learn to do
otherwise if it is better for them) -- is that this is my first bird. I have
been reading nutritional articles and want to be able to provide the best. I
just want to make sure they get all they need (I know they don't get everything
they need all at once). It's like my dogs -- I don't balance every meal, but
over time.
Thank you for all the information -- will continue researching.

Thanks,
Maggie

Owly

Humanhere2

Hello Owly,

Thank you kindly for your reply -- am going to read the site now.

Thanks!
Maggie

Owly

Humanhere2

gcarr

oldmolly

Humanhere2

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