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jeff@dnuk.com

Hello,

I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
to sleep. Or is that not realistic?

I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.

Regards,
Jeff

Dave Bugg

jeff@dnuk.com wrote:

> I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.

Based on what criteria? Have you owned any before? It doesn't seem likely,
given the nature of your question. How do you know if you like them if you
haven't had any any experience with them, other than seeing them?

oldmolly

<jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>
> I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>
> Regards,
No bird can be left safely loose. There are too many dangerous things in a
home. For cockatoo info go to www.mytoos.com
be sure to turn your speakers up for the full effect.

Digital_Cowboy

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True, like a small child most (I won't say no) bird should be allowed out of
his/her cage without supervision. But I had a 'Tiel named Nogura, that I
had had for 11 years, who I could trust to stay either on top of or in his
opened cage day or night.

I was able to do this in part because of the years that he and had been
together and in part because after a brief stay with an Aunt and Uncle of
mine he had an accident in which his right wing was dislocated.
Unfortunately it wasn't discovered until he came back home to me. Whereupon
I took him to an avian vet and after X-Ray's and taping it never healed
properly. And as a result he was permanently crippled and could no longer
fly.

Which had two positive results:

a) I did not have to put him through the "stress" of clipping his wings
b) He would stay where I would put him

Also as a result of his injury he and I had become even more inseparable
then before and he went with me just about everywhere that I went.

I realize that he is/was one of the exception to the rules, but in the
keeping of pet birds the best thing to remember is to that no two birds like
humans are NOT a like and what one bird does another may not do.

Herman F. Ebeling Jr.

"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> <jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
> news:0kd0ov0tfhsiq5sitmr4cgjhott0plve7c@4ax.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> > parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> > where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> > to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
> >
> > I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
> >
> > Regards,
> No bird can be left safely loose. There are too many dangerous things in
a
> home. For cockatoo info go to www.mytoos.com
> be sure to turn your speakers up for the full effect.
>
>
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Cruisetech

Any bird can be kept in an open cage...
HOWEVER, my Mollucan cockatoo broke out of his cage and had his way in the
bird room, he managed to:
-chew through electrical cords (fortunately none of them were plugged
into the wall)
-ate the window sill
-tore down and chewed up the curtains, curtain rods, curtain rod holders
-chewed out the bottom of his food storage bins, spewing seed, nuts and
pellets all over the floor
-pulled the toilet paper off the roll and directly into the toilet bowl
-ate some hand soap
-chewed the rubber stopper of a shaving cream can (had a sixteen foot
long shaving cream snake)
-chewed all the bristles off my toothbrush
-chewed off the base of the toothpaste tube
-pulled up the laminate on the bathroom counter
-still haven't found the rubber plug for the sink drain
-shredded the shower curtain into a billion pieces
-knocked my glass aftershave bottle onto the floor causing it to shatter
-chewed the antenna off his portable radio
-chewed off the plastic handles of his nail trimmers and his nail file

I could go on and on about all the other items of destruction, but
you get the idea. So my answer to your question is...... Any bird can be
kept in an open cage, BUT, why would you WANT TO???
I came very close to coming home to a cockatoo that was poisoned,
electrocuted, bleeding, or just injured. I am also grateful that the
connecting door to my bedroom was closed.
I hope my learning lessons the hard way, will help you avoid making
a similar mistake.
Epo the Cockatoo's Pet.....

<jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
news:0kd0ov0tfhsiq5sitmr4cgjhott0plve7c@4ax.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>
> I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff

Little Bit

Joanne

"Cruisetech" <NoSpam4BenTForks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aA0gb.28662$6C4.23357@pd7tw1no...
> Any bird can be kept in an open cage...
> HOWEVER, my Mollucan cockatoo broke out of his cage and had his way in the
> bird room, he managed to:
> -chew through electrical cords (fortunately none of them were plugged
> into the wall)
> -ate the window sill
> -tore down and chewed up the curtains, curtain rods, curtain rod
holders
> -chewed out the bottom of his food storage bins, spewing seed, nuts
and
> pellets all over the floor
> -pulled the toilet paper off the roll and directly into the toilet
bowl
> -ate some hand soap
> -chewed the rubber stopper of a shaving cream can (had a sixteen foot
> long shaving cream snake)
> -chewed all the bristles off my toothbrush
> -chewed off the base of the toothpaste tube
> -pulled up the laminate on the bathroom counter
> -still haven't found the rubber plug for the sink drain
> -shredded the shower curtain into a billion pieces
> -knocked my glass aftershave bottle onto the floor causing it to
shatter
> -chewed the antenna off his portable radio
> -chewed off the plastic handles of his nail trimmers and his nail file

Ohhh, how cockacute. Grrrrr!!!

--
Sincerely,
Joanne

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Digital_Cowboy

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Sounds like ya had a "fun" mess to clean up. Glad to hear that your baby
didn't injure himself.

My current 'Tiel, Hikaru, I wouldn't trust to stay on his cage like I did
Nogura, but as I said in another posting just like us human's each bird has
a different personality and what works with one might not work with another.

Hikaru has come to consider me a part of his flock that whenever I place him
into his cage and leave him he calls to me to try and get me to return to
the "safety" of the comunal flock.

Herman
"Cruisetech" <NoSpam4BenTForks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aA0gb.28662$6C4.23357@pd7tw1no...
> Any bird can be kept in an open cage...
> HOWEVER, my Mollucan cockatoo broke out of his cage and had his way in the
> bird room, he managed to:
> -chew through electrical cords (fortunately none of them were plugged
into the wall)
> -ate the window sill
> -tore down and chewed up the curtains, curtain rods, curtain rod
holders
> -chewed out the bottom of his food storage bins, spewing seed, nuts
and pellets all over the floor
> -pulled the toilet paper off the roll and directly into the toilet
bowl
> -ate some hand soap
> -chewed the rubber stopper of a shaving cream can (had a sixteen foot
long shaving cream snake)
> -chewed all the bristles off my toothbrush
> -chewed off the base of the toothpaste tube
> -pulled up the laminate on the bathroom counter
> -still haven't found the rubber plug for the sink drain
> -shredded the shower curtain into a billion pieces
> -knocked my glass aftershave bottle onto the floor causing it to
shatter
> -chewed the antenna off his portable radio
> -chewed off the plastic handles of his nail trimmers and his nail file
>
> I could go on and on about all the other items of destruction, but
you get the idea. So my answer to your question is...... Any bird can be
kept in an open cage, BUT, why would you WANT TO???
> I came very close to coming home to a cockatoo that was poisoned,
electrocuted, bleeding, or just injured. I am also grateful that the
connecting door to my bedroom was closed.
> I hope my learning lessons the hard way, will help you avoid
making a similar mistake.
> Epo the Cockatoo's Pet.....
>
>
>
>
> <jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
> news:0kd0ov0tfhsiq5sitmr4cgjhott0plve7c@4ax.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> > parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> > where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> > to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
> >
> > I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeff
>
>
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matt weber

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:21:57 +0100, jeff@dnuk.com wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
>parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
>where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
>to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>
>I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>
>Regards,
>Jeff
I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a day.
For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
them in,as much as it keeps other things out!

Alex Clayton

"matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a day.
> For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
> them in,as much as it keeps other things out!

That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave your house
a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.

Mamabird

"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:59d4ovks8eoj06am7aegsr3hibl9c49mpo@4ax.com...
> > I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> > tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a day.
> > For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
> > them in,as much as it keeps other things out!
>
> That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave your
house
> a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.
>

Don't underestimate the little guys, Alex! <G>
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Digital_Cowboy

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Unless one places a padlock on the cage door there is always the chance that
the bird will still be able to open the door and get out whether you're home
or not.

I know this for a fact as a good friend of mine had an African Grey, a
breeding pair of 'Tiels and a Canery or Finch. He came home one day to find
his Grey in the Finch's cage and the Finch in the Grey's cage. . .

Herman
"Mamabird" <spam@goaway.com> wrote in message
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> "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1065540144.296067@yasure...
> > "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:59d4ovks8eoj06am7aegsr3hibl9c49mpo@4ax.com...
> > > I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> > > tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a day.
> > > For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
> > > them in,as much as it keeps other things out!
> >
> > That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave your
> house
> > a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.
> >
>
> Don't underestimate the little guys, Alex! <G>
> --
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Robert Schuh

oldmolly wrote:

> <jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
> news:0kd0ov0tfhsiq5sitmr4cgjhott0plve7c@4ax.com...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
>>parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
>>where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
>>to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>>
>>I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>>
>>Regards,
>
> No bird can be left safely loose. There are too many dangerous things in a
> home. For cockatoo info go to www.mytoos.com
> be sure to turn your speakers up for the full effect.
>
>

My Miligold Macaw has lived out in the open on a large Manzanita wood
multi tiered perch for over 15 years. He loves it. We used to have a
large expensive cage for him, but he spent all his time on the playpen
on top. We have never had a problem with him living in the open.

oldmolly

Alex Clayton

"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Unless one places a padlock on the cage door there is always the chance
that
> the bird will still be able to open the door and get out whether you're
home
> or not.
>
> I know this for a fact as a good friend of mine had an African Grey, a
> breeding pair of 'Tiels and a Canery or Finch. He came home one day to
find
> his Grey in the Finch's cage and the Finch in the Grey's cage. . .
>
> Herman

We have a Kings for our Macaw. It was advertised as "escape proof" or
something along those lines. It did work for about a year, till Charlie
learned how to open the top and side doors. A couple times one of us came
home to find him out on top. Both the side and top doors were open so we
thought one of us had forgotten to lock him up. Then finally one day I
caught him opening the side door, he would then go on top and open the top
door. We now use padlocks when we leave.

Alex Clayton

"Mamabird" <spam@goaway.com> wrote in message
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> "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1065540144.296067@yasure...
> > "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:59d4ovks8eoj06am7aegsr3hibl9c49mpo@4ax.com...
> > > I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> > > tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a day.
> > > For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
> > > them in,as much as it keeps other things out!
> >
> > That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave your
> house
> > a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.
> >
>
> Don't underestimate the little guys, Alex! <G>
> --
> Mama
> ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
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>
LOL, oh I know that. Our Tiel and BCC are not caged, but I certainly do not
recommend this to everyone. We spent years making sure we could trust him
before we went this route. Our Tiel will occasionally climb down, but never
goes far enough to get into trouble. Max the BCC will not leave his cage,
unless he gets scared and fly's down, then he just goes back up the ladder,
he does not want to be away from his home. If not for this he would be
caged.

Digital_Cowboy

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This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that where
large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape proof"
and that diligence is the word of the day.

And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their cage
is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key rather
then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links won't
keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.

Herman
"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Unless one places a padlock on the cage door there is always the chance
> that
> > the bird will still be able to open the door and get out whether you're
> home
> > or not.
>
> Most quality modern cages have safety catches on the doors .
>
>
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James Mayer

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:18:58 GMT, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com>
wrote:

>
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> This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that where
>large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape proof"
>and that diligence is the word of the day.
>
> And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their cage
>is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key rather
>then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links won't
>keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
>
I know a person that went on vacation and her Quaker learned a
new word. It and her 'tiesl were taken over to a friends house for
the duration. Freddie figured out how to open one of those and got
out and then let out her 'tiels. While trying to get Freddie back
into his cage and catch the 'tiels and put them back in theirs she
would miss sometimes and say "phoey". That's Freddies new word.

Digital_Cowboy

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Several years ago I read an article in Bird Talk magazine about a parrot (I
forget the breed right now) that all of the kids were "jumping" around
saying that they were hungry. The bird chimed in with "me too." Yet, no
one in the house had taught it that phrase.

As well as a 'Keet that we had when I was much younger. My father had
worked for IBM at the time and was in one of their warehouses when he
noticed a blue blur overhead. It was a 'Keet. He (the 'Keet) landed on one
of the flouresent light fixtures. My father put his finger up to it, and he
hoped right on.

My dad then put him in to a box and called my mom. And we drove over and
picked him.

Now then with us kids being "normal" kids my parents were always yelling at
us to "Get your God damn stuff upstairs." Well a friend of ours was over
one day and everyone was talking and just kind of "half" listening to Bim.
When our friend ask my mother IF she heard what she thought she heard Bim
say. They waited and sure enough Bim had said "Damn stuff upstairs. . ."

The moral of the story is just like little children ya gotta watch what ya
say around your parrots. . .;-)

Herman
"James Mayer" <jfma@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:18:58 GMT, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
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> >
> > This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that
where
> >large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape
proof"
> >and that diligence is the word of the day.
> >
> > And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their
cage
> >is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key
rather
> >then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links won't
> >keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
> >
> I know a person that went on vacation and her Quaker learned a
> new word. It and her 'tiesl were taken over to a friends house for
> the duration. Freddie figured out how to open one of those and got
> out and then let out her 'tiels. While trying to get Freddie back
> into his cage and catch the 'tiels and put them back in theirs she
> would miss sometimes and say "phoey". That's Freddies new word.
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Mamabird

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"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Several years ago I read an article in Bird Talk magazine about a parrot
(I
> forget the breed right now) that all of the kids were "jumping" around
> saying that they were hungry. The bird chimed in with "me too." Yet, no
> one in the house had taught it that phrase.
>
> As well as a 'Keet that we had when I was much younger. My father had
> worked for IBM at the time and was in one of their warehouses when he
> noticed a blue blur overhead. It was a 'Keet. He (the 'Keet) landed on
one
> of the flouresent light fixtures. My father put his finger up to it, and
he
> hoped right on.
>
> My dad then put him in to a box and called my mom. And we drove over and
> picked him.
>
> Now then with us kids being "normal" kids my parents were always yelling
at
> us to "Get your God damn stuff upstairs." Well a friend of ours was over
> one day and everyone was talking and just kind of "half" listening to
Bim.
> When our friend ask my mother IF she heard what she thought she heard Bim
> say. They waited and sure enough Bim had said "Damn stuff upstairs. . ."
>
> The moral of the story is just like little children ya gotta watch what
ya
> say around your parrots. . .;-)
>
> Herman
> "James Mayer" <jfma@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3f69a697.5884389@news.east.earthlink.net...
> > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:18:58 GMT, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > >
> > > This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that
> where
> > >large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape
> proof"
> > >and that diligence is the word of the day.
> > >
> > > And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their
> cage
> > >is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key
> rather
> > >then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links
won't
> > >keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
> > >
> > I know a person that went on vacation and her Quaker learned a
> > new word. It and her 'tiesl were taken over to a friends house for
> > the duration. Freddie figured out how to open one of those and got
> > out and then let out her 'tiels. While trying to get Freddie back
> > into his cage and catch the 'tiels and put them back in theirs she
> > would miss sometimes and say "phoey". That's Freddies new word.
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Cruisetech

Did I mention that the cage my Cockatoo had broken out of was PADLOCKED???
He managed to snap off the tab the lock clipped to!!

"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Unless one places a padlock on the cage door there is always the chance
that
> the bird will still be able to open the door and get out whether you're
home
> or not.
>
> I know this for a fact as a good friend of mine had an African Grey, a
> breeding pair of 'Tiels and a Canery or Finch. He came home one day to
find
> his Grey in the Finch's cage and the Finch in the Grey's cage. . .
>
> Herman
> "Mamabird" <spam@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:a4Bgb.1403$dn6.1319@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1065540144.296067@yasure...
> > > "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:59d4ovks8eoj06am7aegsr3hibl9c49mpo@4ax.com...
> > > > I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> > > > tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a
day.
> > > > For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't keep
> > > > them in,as much as it keeps other things out!
> > >
> > > That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave your
> > house
> > > a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.
> > >
> >
> > Don't underestimate the little guys, Alex! <G>
> > --
> > Mama
> > ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> > Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
> > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
> >
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Louis Boyd

jeff@dnuk.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>
> I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>
I have two conures, two amazons, an umbrella cockatoo, an african grey,
and three macaws who have the roam of the house. At night they go back
to their cages or onto a lamp or onto my bed to sleep. This lifestyle
is realistic IF:

1. You don't mind having all of the furniture, drapes, and woodwork chewed.
2. You don't mind chunks of food scattered throughout the house.
3. You don't mind feathers and down in everything.
4. You don't mind green and white stripes on just about everything.
(and that's with thorough weekly houscleaning).

In return the birds will land on your shoulder and give you lots of love
plus occasionally your very own green & white stripes.
--
Lou Boyd

Digital_Cowboy

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Ouch, talk about either a STRONG beak or a weak weld.

I guess the next step would be to get a Kryptonite lock and run it
through the bars.

Herman
"Cruisetech" <NoSpam4BenTForks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bLLgb.45236$pl3.33895@pd7tw3no...
> Did I mention that the cage my Cockatoo had broken out of was
> PADLOCKED??? He managed to snap off the tab the lock clipped to!!
>
>
>
> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> > Unless one places a padlock on the cage door there is always the chance
> that
> > the bird will still be able to open the door and get out whether you're
> home
> > or not.
> >
> > I know this for a fact as a good friend of mine had an African Grey, a
> > breeding pair of 'Tiels and a Canery or Finch. He came home one day to
> find
> > his Grey in the Finch's cage and the Finch in the Grey's cage. . .
> >
> > Herman
> > "Mamabird" <spam@goaway.com> wrote in message
> > news:a4Bgb.1403$dn6.1319@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1065540144.296067@yasure...
> > > > "matt weber" <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:59d4ovks8eoj06am7aegsr3hibl9c49mpo@4ax.com...
> > > > > I owned Macaws that you really never had to lock up, when they got
> > > > > tired, they marched back to the cage, dlimbed in and called it a
> day.
> > > > > For the most part, the cage is for their protection. It doesn't
keep
> > > > > them in,as much as it keeps other things out!
> > > >
> > > > That could work as long as you are always home. If you ever leave
your
> > > house
> > > > a large bird like a Macaw can find all kinds of trouble to get in.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don't underestimate the little guys, Alex! <G>
> > > --
> > > Mama
> > > ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> > > Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
> > > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
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Yep, at one time or another ALL of my cloths have had their "fair share" of
droppings dropped on them. Or my bare shoulder, or in my head. And hey it
all washes out/off. Of course it should be noted that it is NOT impossible
to house train a parrot to make his/her droppings in a particular spot.

Herman
"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:bm05b8$7pc$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> jeff@dnuk.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
> > parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
> > where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
> > to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
> >
> > I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
> >
> I have two conures, two amazons, an umbrella cockatoo, an african grey,
> and three macaws who have the roam of the house. At night they go back
> to their cages or onto a lamp or onto my bed to sleep. This lifestyle
> is realistic IF:
>
> 1. You don't mind having all of the furniture, drapes, and woodwork
chewed.
> 2. You don't mind chunks of food scattered throughout the house.
> 3. You don't mind feathers and down in everything.
> 4. You don't mind green and white stripes on just about everything.
> (and that's with thorough weekly houscleaning).
>
> In return the birds will land on your shoulder and give you lots of love
> plus occasionally your very own green & white stripes.
> --
> Lou Boyd
>
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Alex Clayton

"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Ouch, talk about either a STRONG beak or a weak weld.
>
> I guess the next step would be to get a Kryptonite lock and run it
> through the bars.
>
> Herman
> "Cruisetech" <NoSpam4BenTForks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bLLgb.45236$pl3.33895@pd7tw3no...
> > Did I mention that the cage my Cockatoo had broken out of was
> > PADLOCKED??? He managed to snap off the tab the lock clipped to!!
> >

The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in those beaks. Many people find
this out the hard way. That is the nice thing about Kings cages, they are
made to stand up to Parrots beaks and they do. Even a small cheap "master
lock" or such pad lock is all you need, the "weak point" in the cheaper
cages is the welds, or the cage material. The birds will "work" things for
days on end and if there is a weak point they will find it. <G>

Louis Boyd

Alex Clayton wrote:

> The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in those beaks. Many people find
> this out the hard way. That is the nice thing about Kings cages, they are
> made to stand up to Parrots beaks and they do. Even a small cheap "master
> lock" or such pad lock is all you need, the "weak point" in the cheaper
> cages is the welds, or the cage material. The birds will "work" things for
> days on end and if there is a weak point they will find it. <G>

Which just could be an indication that the bird would rather not be
locked in a cage. My U2 will scream continuously if locked in his
cage. Unlock it and he'll sit quitely on top of the cage.
He's quite capable of flying around the house, but he doesn't.
--
Lou Boyd

Mamabird

"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1065626777.532696@yasure...
> > "Cruisetech" <NoSpam4BenTForks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bLLgb.45236$pl3.33895@pd7tw3no...
> > > Did I mention that the cage my Cockatoo had broken out of was
> > > PADLOCKED??? He managed to snap off the tab the lock clipped to!!
> > >
>
> The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in those beaks. Many people
find
> this out the hard way. That is the nice thing about Kings cages, they are
> made to stand up to Parrots beaks and they do. Even a small cheap "master
> lock" or such pad lock is all you need, the "weak point" in the cheaper
> cages is the welds, or the cage material. The birds will "work" things
for
> days on end and if there is a weak point they will find it. <G>

Remember the time I posted here that my Umbrella, Watson had escaped from
his padlocked cage and I couldn't figure out how the heck he did it? Later
I watched him slide the grate out just enough that he could climb down into
the tray, then slide the grate back into place!
If there's a will, there's a way.... even with birds! lol
--
Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Mamabird

"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> Alex Clayton wrote:
>
> > The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in those beaks. Many people
find
> > this out the hard way. That is the nice thing about Kings cages, they
are
> > made to stand up to Parrots beaks and they do. Even a small cheap
"master
> > lock" or such pad lock is all you need, the "weak point" in the cheaper
> > cages is the welds, or the cage material. The birds will "work" things
for
> > days on end and if there is a weak point they will find it. <G>
>
> Which just could be an indication that the bird would rather not be
> locked in a cage. My U2 will scream continuously if locked in his
> cage. Unlock it and he'll sit quitely on top of the cage.
> He's quite capable of flying around the house, but he doesn't.
> --
> Lou Boyd

Of course they'd rather not be locked in a cage, Lou. But as much as I love
my birds I refuse to allow them to destroy my (new) house. Not to mention,
left free they'd kill each other... no doubt in my mind about that. A
locked up bird is better than a dead or mutilated one.
And they DO get their daily supervised out-of-cage time.
--
Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~

Alex Clayton

"Mamabird" <spam@goaway.com> wrote in message
news:lRWgb.2974$dn6.2192@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:bm1bh9$s28$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > Alex Clayton wrote:
> >
> > > The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in those beaks. Many people
> find
> > > this out the hard way. That is the nice thing about Kings cages, they
> are
> > > made to stand up to Parrots beaks and they do. Even a small cheap
> "master
> > > lock" or such pad lock is all you need, the "weak point" in the
cheaper
> > > cages is the welds, or the cage material. The birds will "work" things
> for
> > > days on end and if there is a weak point they will find it. <G>
> >
> > Which just could be an indication that the bird would rather not be
> > locked in a cage. My U2 will scream continuously if locked in his
> > cage. Unlock it and he'll sit quitely on top of the cage.
> > He's quite capable of flying around the house, but he doesn't.
> > --
> > Lou Boyd
>
> Of course they'd rather not be locked in a cage, Lou. But as much as I
love
> my birds I refuse to allow them to destroy my (new) house. Not to mention,
> left free they'd kill each other... no doubt in my mind about that. A
> locked up bird is better than a dead or mutilated one.
> And they DO get their daily supervised out-of-cage time.
> --
> Mama
> ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
> ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
>

As nice as it would be to have an "indoor aviary" I think even Lou knows
this is just not realistic for the vast majority, he just does not like to
admit it. More power to him for the way he tries to keep his birds happy,
but it's also playing with fire. Allowing them un controlled access to the
house is always a great risk. You notice over the years he has had some
"close calls". He said one time (at least) one of them chewed thru a live
cord. Did not hurt the bird, that time, that was dumb luck. Another time
mentioned they got on table and opened some plastic jugs of water, what if
that had been something toxic in those bottles, drain cleaner, bleach ect.?
Our Macaw of course prefers to be out of his cage, he also prefers to
have us home. He will yell for a while when he is left, but that's life.
When I walk out the door to go to work I always tell him " I have to go to
work now so I can buy things for birds". I doubt he "gets" it since he
loudly protests, but such is life. I would say he is quite happy, as I'm
sure your birds are also Mamabird.

oldmolly

"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that where
> large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape
proof"
> and that diligence is the word of the day.
>
> And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their cage
> is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key
rather
> then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links won't
> keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
>
>
How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one* of
mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for
her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would
have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the large
amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
impossible with my cages in particular.

oldmolly

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> Several years ago I read an article in Bird Talk magazine about a parrot
(I
> forget the breed right now)
There are no 'breeds' of parrot, only species.:o)

Debbie Krug

"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>

> How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
of
> mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for
> her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would
> have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
large
> amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
> impossible with my cages in particular.
>
Both of mine have figured it out. They have each had two different cages.
The U2 even figured out several types of snaps. They don't do it much
anymore. I guess they got bored with it. Perhaps because they have so much
time out of their cages.

--
Debbie, Dusty (CAG) and Casperella (U2)

Digital_Cowboy

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The cage that I have my Lovebird Neo in has 5 doors. One large main door
and four doors for food and water cups. IF those 4 doors are NOT locked he
can and DOES open them and get out. I have two of them wired shut, and the
two that I use for food and water I use the quick links that are used for
hanging toys to keep 'em closed. The main door is just too heavy for him to
open.

He was also able to open the doors on his old cage. It got "killed" (the
cage) when I was moving from Fl to NY when the truck we were in flipped.
Both humans and both birds survived without a scratch.

The doors on my 'Tiels Hikaru's cage either have a catch on the outside or
are completely blocked by the food and water cups, so that he cannot open
them at all.

And just because you've been lucky enough NOT to have any your children
escape from their cages doesn't mean that it can't or won't happen. Because
don't forget they ARE very intelligent creatures, and IF there is a will
they WILL find a way.

Herman
"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> > This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that
where
> > large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape
> proof"
> > and that diligence is the word of the day.
> >
> > And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their
cage
> > is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key
> rather
> > then one that is a combination lock. Also using those quick links won't
> > keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
> >
> >
> How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
of
> mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for
> her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would
> have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
large
> amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
> impossible with my cages in particular.
>
>
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Alex Clayton

"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:t6Ygb.9847$QH3.3828@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> >
> How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
of
> mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for
> her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would
> have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
large
> amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
> impossible with my cages in particular.
>
>

What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the main
door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could get
it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out to a
"deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and gravity.
When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but he
worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he could
open one of them fast. I noticed when we first got the cage the top door
latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in the
door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open. One
day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his toe
caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold him
still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not know
what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the hole.
All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a couple
times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a stainless
steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a couple
spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on pad
locks.
--
"What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
[Lazarus Long]

oldmolly

"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:t6Ygb.9847$QH3.3828@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > >
> > How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
> of
> > mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible
for
> > her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it
would
> > have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
> large
> > amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
> > impossible with my cages in particular.
> >
> >
>
> What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the main
> door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could get
> it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out to a
> "deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and gravity.
> When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but he
> worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he
could
> open one of them fast. I noticed when we first got the cage the top door
> latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in the
> door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open. One
> day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his toe
> caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold him
> still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not know
> what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the
hole.
> All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a couple
> times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a stainless
> steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a couple
> spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on pad
> locks.
> --
> "What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
> [Lazarus Long]
>
>
The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to be pushed
in and moved up to release a bar inside the frame. It is tricky enough for
me to do and impossible for a bird to do. The feed pot doors have the same
thing. On the others for the smaller birds, the whole door has to be lifted
2 inches and it is simply too heavy for them to lift, plus push outwards
too. The feedpots doors are held closed with a sort of peg which you have to
completely remove to be able to swing the door open.. It is situated so as
not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.

Alex Clayton

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> "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:> >
> >
> The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to be
pushed
> in and moved up to release a bar inside the frame. It is tricky enough for
> me to do and impossible for a bird to do. The feed pot doors have the same
> thing. On the others for the smaller birds, the whole door has to be
lifted
> 2 inches and it is simply too heavy for them to lift, plus push outwards
> too. The feedpots doors are held closed with a sort of peg which you have
to
> completely remove to be able to swing the door open.. It is situated so as
> not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.
>
>
Sounds like a good arrangement. I'm sure I can't be the only one who has a
bird who figured out how to open the doors on our Kings. Maybe by the time I
can get a stainless they will have re done the locks <G>

Digital_Cowboy

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"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| "oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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| > >
| > How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
| of
| > mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for
| > her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would
| > have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
| large
| > amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
| > impossible with my cages in particular.
| >
| >
|
| What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the main
| door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could get
| it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out to a
| "deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and gravity.
| When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but he
| worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he could
| open one of them fast. I noticed when we first got the cage the top door
| latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in the
| door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open. One
| day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his toe
| caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold him
| still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not know
| what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the hole.
| All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a couple
| times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a stainless
| steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a couple
| spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on pad
| locks.
| --
| "What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
| [Lazarus Long]
|
|
Glad to hear that your Macaw didn't injure itself on the cage.

Was that bolt accessable from inside of the cage??? If so I'd be willing to
bet that your bird, or ANY bird kept in a similar cage would learn how to undo
the bolt in short order and how to open the door(s).

Herman
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"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:1065646228.575751@yasure...
| > "oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
| > news:t6Ygb.9847$QH3.3828@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
| > > >
| > > How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*
| > of
| > > mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible
| for
| > > her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it
| would
| > > have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the
| > large
| > > amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain, it is
| > > impossible with my cages in particular.
| > >
| > >
| >
| > What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the main
| > door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could get
| > it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out to a
| > "deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and gravity.
| > When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but he
| > worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he
| could
| > open one of them fast. I noticed when we first got the cage the top door
| > latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in the
| > door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open. One
| > day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his toe
| > caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold him
| > still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not know
| > what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the
| hole.
| > All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a couple
| > times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a stainless
| > steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a couple
| > spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on pad
| > locks.
| > --
| > "What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
| > [Lazarus Long]
| >
| >
| The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to be pushed
| in and moved up to release a bar inside the frame. It is tricky enough for
| me to do and impossible for a bird to do. The feed pot doors have the same
| thing. On the others for the smaller birds, the whole door has to be lifted
| 2 inches and it is simply too heavy for them to lift, plus push outwards
| too. The feedpots doors are held closed with a sort of peg which you have to
| completely remove to be able to swing the door open.. It is situated so as
| not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.
|
|

Don't underestimate the strength of even the smallest of parrots as they
just might surprise ya. My Lovebird can just barely lift the main door, but not
enough to enable him to escape. Not that that is a problem anymore as I have a
birdbath in the main door.

I use that for his water cup as I got tired of cleaning his water cup and
replacing the water every five minutes cause he has the bad habit of constantly
soiling his water cup. With the birdbath for a water cup he can drink his water
take the occasional bath without worrying about soiling it.

I'd tried to use a "gravity fed" water container like the gravity fed seed
containers and he was able to take a bath in the small part that stuck into his
cage. I sat there and watched him do it, and to this day I still cannot tell ya
how he did it.

Herman
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> Glad to hear that your Macaw didn't injure itself on the cage.
>
> Was that bolt accessable from inside of the cage??? If so I'd be
willing to
> bet that your bird, or ANY bird kept in a similar cage would learn how to
undo
> the bolt in short order and how to open the door(s).
>
> Herman

Thanks, we were sure glad we were in the room when it happened. the bolt was
put it from the outside when the door was closed. If we left it in with him
out of the cage I'm sure he would work it out, but from inside the cage
there would be no way. What they need to do is put a spring latch like the
main door has.
--
"What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
[Lazarus Long]

Ian

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> |
> | "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | news:1065646228.575751@yasure...
> | > "oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> | > news:t6Ygb.9847$QH3.3828@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> | > > >
> | > > How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not
*one*
> | > of
> | > > mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is
impossible
> | for
> | > > her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it
> | would
> | > > have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and
the
> | > large
> | > > amount of cages I have, but it never has <shrug> I still maintain,
it is
> | > > impossible with my cages in particular.
> | > >
> | > >
> | >
> | > What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the
main
> | > door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could
get
> | > it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out
to a
> | > "deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and
gravity.
> | > When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but
he
> | > worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he
> | could
> | > open one of them fast. I noticed when we first got the cage the top
door
> | > latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in
the
> | > door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open.
One
> | > day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his
toe
> | > caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold
him
> | > still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not
know
> | > what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the
> | hole.
> | > All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a
couple
> | > times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a
stainless
> | > steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a
couple
> | > spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on
pad
> | > locks.
> | > --
> | > "What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
> | > [Lazarus Long]
> | >
> | >
> | The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to be
pushed
> | in and moved up to release a bar inside the frame. It is tricky enough
for
> | me to do and impossible for a bird to do. The feed pot doors have the
same
> | thing. On the others for the smaller birds, the whole door has to be
lifted
> | 2 inches and it is simply too heavy for them to lift, plus push outwards
> | too. The feedpots doors are held closed with a sort of peg which you
have to
> | completely remove to be able to swing the door open.. It is situated so
as
> | not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.
> |
> |
>
> Don't underestimate the strength of even the smallest of parrots as
they
> just might surprise ya. My Lovebird can just barely lift the main door,
but not
> enough to enable him to escape. Not that that is a problem anymore as I
have a
> birdbath in the main door.
>
> I use that for his water cup as I got tired of cleaning his water cup
and
> replacing the water every five minutes cause he has the bad habit of
constantly
> soiling his water cup. With the birdbath for a water cup he can drink his
water
> take the occasional bath without worrying about soiling it.
>
> I'd tried to use a "gravity fed" water container like the gravity fed
seed
> containers and he was able to take a bath in the small part that stuck
into his
> cage. I sat there and watched him do it, and to this day I still cannot
tell ya
> how he did it.
>
> Herman
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I know plenty about our Lovie's escaping when we had both of them.
But Poppet has gotten even worse since losing Po-Po almost 2 years ago.
We also have a birdbath in the space of the front door it's about the only
place we know she can't escape from. We use to have a separate gravity fed
water container for her, but she never used it and we'd always see her
drinking from the bath, since she's been ill it's even better because we can
gauge exactly how much water(and suspended antibiotic) she has been
drinking.
We had to wire tie the 4 spring-loaded plastic food doors closed as they had
on more than one occasion managed to somehow manoeuvre the plastic food
containers out and quite often we'd come home to find them sitting quite
happily on top of the cage, unable to get back in!
Since then we've used stainless steel food bowls, which they were both happy
with .. plenty of space for food, easily cleanable and comfy for them to
stand on the rim, oh yes and indestructible!
Poppet has over the past year actually managed to prise open one of the end
doors, however these are now wire tied too, she has amazing strength for
such a small bird though. The oddest thing is, when we leave her bath off or
one of the doors opened she'll come out for a look and then just go back in,
maybe it's a bit of Houdini in all Parrots??

Digital_Cowboy

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|
| I know plenty about our Lovie's escaping when we had both of them. But Poppet
has gotten even worse since losing Po-Po almost 2 years ago. We also have a
birdbath in the space of the front door it's about the only place we know she
can't escape from. We use to have a separate gravity fed water container for
her, but she never used it and we'd always see her drinking from the bath, since
she's been ill it's even better because we can gauge exactly how much water(and
suspended antibiotic) she has been drinking.
| We had to wire tie the 4 spring-loaded plastic food doors closed as they had
on more than one occasion managed to somehow manoeuvre the plastic food
containers out and quite often we'd come home to find them sitting quite happily
on top of the cage, unable to get back in! Since then we've used stainless
steel food bowls, which they were both happy with .. plenty of space for food,
easily cleanable and comfy for them to stand on the rim, oh yes and
indestructible!
| Poppet has over the past year actually managed to prise open one of the end
doors, however these are now wire tied too, she has amazing strength for such a
small bird though. The oddest thing is, when we leave her bath off or one of the
doors opened she'll come out for a look and then just go back in, maybe it's a
bit of Houdini in all Parrots??
|
|
Ian,

Have any of your Lovebirds ever bathed in the gravity fed water container
like Neo has done? Like I said even though I was there watching him do it, I
still for the life of me CANNOT figure out how the hell he did it. . .

That said, amen to the amount of strength those little guys have. . .Looking
at how small they are ya'd never know that they had it in them. . .;-) When I
tied the door food cup doors down I used bread twist ties and twisted them on
the outside of the cage. Cutting/breaking off the excess as close to the cage
as I could, and folding over whatever was left over so that there wasn't
anything for Neo to get caught on.

I'm also glad to hear that I am NOT the only one to trade the "traditional"
water cup for a birdbath to be used as both. . .Lovebirds do LOVE their baths
don't they. . .;-)

And I am VERY happy to hear that Poppet is still getting better/stronger.
She is a little fighter isn't she. . .;-)

Herman
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"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > Glad to hear that your Macaw didn't injure itself on the cage.
| >
| > Was that bolt accessable from inside of the cage??? If so I'd be
willing to bet that your bird, or ANY bird kept in a similar cage would learn
how to undo the bolt in short order and how to open the door(s).
| >
| > Herman
|
| Thanks, we were sure glad we were in the room when it happened. the bolt was
put it from the outside when the door was closed. If we left it in with him out
of the cage I'm sure he would work it out, but from inside the cage there would
be no way. What they need to do is put a spring latch like the main door has.
| --
| "What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
| [Lazarus Long]
|
The main thing is that your baby was unharmed. And it's good to hear that the
bolt goes in from the outside, as opposed from the inside.

Which RAH books do you like?

Herman
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"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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>
> |
> The main thing is that your baby was unharmed. And it's good to hear that
the
> bolt goes in from the outside, as opposed from the inside.
>
> Which RAH books do you like?
>
> Herman

We can't bolt it anymore, since we used the replacement piece they sent us
with no hole it it. We just use a Master lock, with a long shackle. Bout a
pack of them keyed alike. Put one on the top door, one on the breeder box
door when we leave the house.
Which RAH books do you like? Don't know what you mean by this?
--
"What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
[Lazarus Long]

Alex Clayton

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>
> Which RAH books do you like?
>
> Herman

LOL, of as soon as I read Bobs response it hit me what you meant. I have
read all of his over the years. "Time Enough For Love" is the one I take
many of my sig lines from. that book I have read a couple times. Hard to put
it down once you start.
--
"What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!"
[Lazarus Long]

Loren Coe

In article <1JNgb.55186$nU6.9703312@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Digital_Cowboy wrote:
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> Yep, at one time or another ALL of my cloths have had their "fair share" of
> droppings dropped on them. Or my bare shoulder, or in my head. And hey it
> all washes out/off. Of course it should be noted that it is NOT impossible
> to house train a parrot to make his/her droppings in a particular spot.

"NOT impossible?" can you give some more insight? one thing i notice,
Quaker vs 'tiel is that the tiels don't crap in food as much, or crap
as often. the Quaker was an eating machine and i learned the meaning
of, 'crap thru a goose'.

> > Herman
.....>>
>> 1. You don't mind having all of the furniture, drapes, and woodwork
> chewed.
>> 2. You don't mind chunks of food scattered throughout the house.
>> 3. You don't mind feathers and down in everything.
>> 4. You don't mind green and white stripes on just about everything.
>> (and that's with thorough weekly houscleaning).
>>
>> In return the birds will land on your shoulder and give you lots of love
>> plus occasionally your very own green & white stripes.
>> -- >> Lou Boyd

Lou has posted this before and it is very interesting. i never worried
about disease from droppings, i _still_ have a river of it left it the
bath which will not come off w/o destroying the wallpaper. but it is
kinda of an impact and it would be nice _if_ you could somehow get them
to 'prefer' some certain area/s. even better would be for them not to
drop on your shirt/lap. i spent 10mos trying to teach this w/o success.

Regards, --Loren

Loren Coe

In article <aA0gb.28662$6C4.23357@pd7tw1no>, Cruisetech wrote:
> Any bird can be kept in an open cage...
> HOWEVER, my Mollucan cockatoo broke out of his cage and had his way in the
> bird room, he managed to:

christ, how long were you on vacation? --Loren

> -chew through electrical cords (fortunately none of them were plugged
> into the wall)
> -ate the window sill
> -tore down and chewed up the curtains, curtain rods, curtain rod holders
> -chewed out the bottom of his food storage bins, spewing seed, nuts and
> pellets all over the floor
> -pulled the toilet paper off the roll and directly into the toilet bowl
> -ate some hand soap
> -chewed the rubber stopper of a shaving cream can (had a sixteen foot
> long shaving cream snake)
> -chewed all the bristles off my toothbrush
> -chewed off the base of the toothpaste tube
> -pulled up the laminate on the bathroom counter
> -still haven't found the rubber plug for the sink drain
> -shredded the shower curtain into a billion pieces
> -knocked my glass aftershave bottle onto the floor causing it to shatter
> -chewed the antenna off his portable radio
> -chewed off the plastic handles of his nail trimmers and his nail file
>
> I could go on and on about all the other items of destruction, but
> you get the idea. So my answer to your question is...... Any bird can be
> kept in an open cage, BUT, why would you WANT TO???
> I came very close to coming home to a cockatoo that was poisoned,
> electrocuted, bleeding, or just injured. I am also grateful that the
> connecting door to my bedroom was closed.
> I hope my learning lessons the hard way, will help you avoid making
> a similar mistake.
> Epo the Cockatoo's Pet.....
>
>
>
>
><jeff@dnuk.com> wrote in message
> news:0kd0ov0tfhsiq5sitmr4cgjhott0plve7c@4ax.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've never owned a bird before. Are there any cockatoo, cockatiels,
>> parrotts or parakeet birds that could be kept in an open cage, i.e.
>> where the bird is allowed to roam the house and goes back to the cage
>> to sleep. Or is that not realistic?
>>
>> I name those birds because they are the ones I really like.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jeff
>
>

Steve

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>
> This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that where
> large parrots are concerned that there is NO SUCH thing as an "escape
proof"
> and that diligence is the word of the day.
>
> And that the only way to insure that they do stay inside of their cage
> is to put a padlock on it. And I would say that a padlock with a key
rather
> then one that is a combination lock.

How can there be sure way if there is NO such thing as escape proof?

> Also using those quick links won't
> keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.
>
> Herman

Why a large parrot? My bcc can open a quick link faster than I can close
it. My sun and black-capped can also open them if given enough time.

--
* Steve *

Steve

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>
>
> Several years ago I read an article in Bird Talk magazine about a parrot
(I
> forget the breed right now) that all of the kids were "jumping" around
> saying that they were hungry. The bird chimed in with "me too." Yet, no
> one in the house had taught it that phrase.
>

I've never taught any of my birds to say anything, but some of them have
quite a vocabulary.

--
* Steve *

Digital_Cowboy

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Alex,

Glad to hear that the problem has been solved.

From your signature it sounds as if you like R.A.H.

Herman
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| > |
| > The main thing is that your baby was unharmed. And it's good to hear that
| the
| > bolt goes in from the outside, as opposed from the inside.
| >
| > Which RAH books do you like?
| >
| > Herman
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| We can't bolt it anymore, since we used the replacement piece they sent us
| with no hole it it. We just use a Master lo