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| Shannon |
I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed to
need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is something
that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to get
them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone book...
about 60 miles away.
Shannon
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Shannon Terpstra
Assistant to Thomas P. Schwaba
Thomas P. Schwaba Law Office
461 First Street, P. O. Box 215
Menominee, MI 49858
906-863-0100
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| Alex Clayton |
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>
> Shannon
> --
>
You may go their entire life and never need one. Many people go their entire
life without going to the doctor. I almost never get real sick. My Doc often
jokes about only seeing me once a year for my check up. Now if something
does happen, or I am concerned about something it's damn nice to know I have
a family Doctor. Same with your bird, if you have an Avian Vet, then if
something does come up, or your concerned your not starting out at 0, with a
Vet you don't know, who has no record of your birds.
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| Laurie |
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>
> Shannon
Another good reason for a well-bird checkup is that they can at least get
base line numbers...not to mention that your birds could be harboring
parasites and diseases that just aren't displaying any symptoms right now.
Perhaps, if I had done the well-bird check on Mel and MacDaddy, I wouldn't
have had such a problem with Giardia that I just had.
Laurie
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| Scott Petrie |
Most of the information I've seen suggests 2 visits a year (even for a
"well-birdie") Our vet has suggested to us that we get a blood work up done
on our lory at least once a year.
The problem is that by the time one of your birds starts to show signs of
sickness it may prove too late. The little guys are evolutionarily hard
wired to hide signs of weakness to better keep predators at bay (predators
will always pick the weakest of a flock or heard)
I'm sure you've done your research and know what to look for in a sick bird.
However, a bi-annual check up is just a little extra assurance that your
feathered companions are O.K.
Regards,
Scott
P.S. call around to some of the local vetranarian clinics in your area. They
may know of an avian vet that's a little closer.
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>
> Shannon
> --
>
>
> ***************************************
> Shannon Terpstra
> Assistant to Thomas P. Schwaba
> Thomas P. Schwaba Law Office
> 461 First Street, P. O. Box 215
> Menominee, MI 49858
> 906-863-0100
>
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| anonimous |
You can try for a bird vet in www.aav.org. They list registered bird =
vets.
You may not find one closer, yu are ''way up in the cold country.
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message =
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never =
seemed to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is =
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan =
to get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone =
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>=20
> Shannon
> --=20
>=20
>=20
> ***************************************
> Shannon Terpstra
> Assistant to Thomas P. Schwaba
> Thomas P. Schwaba Law Office
> 461 First Street, P. O. Box 215
> Menominee, MI 49858
> 906-863-0100
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| Owly |
The AAV only lists vets that have paid dues to their organization - no
registration or certification of any sort. In an ideal world, only vets
with a special interest in avian medicine would want that certificate on
their wall... :)
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owly
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You can try for a bird vet in www.aav.org. They list registered bird vets.
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| Shannon |
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>
> Shannon
> --
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"anonimous" <anonimous@ananimous.com> wrote in message
news:b03a3a899d23a109903496ca3af8565a@news.teranews.com...
You can try for a bird vet in www.aav.org. They list registered bird vets.
You may not find one closer, yu are ''way up in the cold country.
Yes, I sure am! It's already been down to 39ºF here. Thanks for the
aav.org site, there are none closer, but it gave me 7 to choose from.
Shannon
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| Loren Coe |
In article <1064529869.914888@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
> news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
> to
>> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
> something
>> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
.....>>
> You may go their entire life and never need one. Many people go their entire
> life without going to the doctor. I almost never get real sick. My Doc often
> jokes about only seeing me once a year for my check up. Now if something
> does happen, or I am concerned about something it's damn nice to know I have
> a family Doctor. Same with your bird, if you have an Avian Vet, then if
> something does come up, or your concerned your not starting out at 0, with a
> Vet you don't know, who has no record of your birds. >
Alex gives sound advice, imho. when i watch "aminal planet", it reminds
me of some of the posters here. some of the folks apparently have lots
of $, so much that it seems like a perversion of sorts because it could
be better spent on poor people or animals that could actually benefit.
this is very likely one of those, 'only in America' phenomenons. ymmv.
--Loren
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| Mamabird |
"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
news:6jYcb.585937$Ho3.111632@sccrnsc03...
> In article <1064529869.914888@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> > You may go their entire life and never need one. Many people go their
entire
> > life without going to the doctor. I almost never get real sick. My Doc
often
> > jokes about only seeing me once a year for my check up. Now if
something
> > does happen, or I am concerned about something it's damn nice to know I
have
> > a family Doctor. Same with your bird, if you have an Avian Vet, then if
> > something does come up, or your concerned your not starting out at 0,
with a
> > Vet you don't know, who has no record of your birds. >
>
> Alex gives sound advice, imho. when i watch "aminal planet", it reminds
> me of some of the posters here. some of the folks apparently have lots
> of $, so much that it seems like a perversion of sorts because it could
> be better spent on poor people or animals that could actually benefit.
>
> this is very likely one of those, 'only in America' phenomenons. ymmv.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here about posters with "lots of
$."
Mind explaining?
--
Mama
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Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
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| Wheeler |
Maybe he is talking about people like me, who chose to work really hard in
order to have extra money in order to raise birds and do other things I
really enjoy as a reward for working so hard while others sit on their *ss
wishing to dip into my deeper pockets?
Bob W
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> "Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:6jYcb.585937$Ho3.111632@sccrnsc03...
> > In article <1064529869.914888@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> > > You may go their entire life and never need one. Many people go their
> entire
> > > life without going to the doctor. I almost never get real sick. My Doc
> often
> > > jokes about only seeing me once a year for my check up. Now if
> something
> > > does happen, or I am concerned about something it's damn nice to know
I
> have
> > > a family Doctor. Same with your bird, if you have an Avian Vet, then
if
> > > something does come up, or your concerned your not starting out at 0,
> with a
> > > Vet you don't know, who has no record of your birds. >
> >
> > Alex gives sound advice, imho. when i watch "aminal planet", it reminds
> > me of some of the posters here. some of the folks apparently have lots
> > of $, so much that it seems like a perversion of sorts because it could
> > be better spent on poor people or animals that could actually benefit.
> >
> > this is very likely one of those, 'only in America' phenomenons. ymmv.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here about posters with "lots of
> $."
> Mind explaining?
> --
> Mama
> ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
> ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
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| anonimous |
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message =
news:P_Xcb.62352$eF3.61929@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> "Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
> news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never =
seemed
> to
> > need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
> something
> > that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan =
to
> get
> > them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
> book...
> > about 60 miles away.
> >
> > Shannon
> > --=20
> >
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> "anonimous" <anonimous@ananimous.com> wrote in message
> news:b03a3a899d23a109903496ca3af8565a@news.teranews.com...
> You can try for a bird vet in www.aav.org. They list registered bird =
vets.
>=20
> You may not find one closer, yu are ''way up in the cold country.
>=20
>=20
> Yes, I sure am! It's already been down to 39=BAF here. Thanks for =
the
> aav.org site, there are none closer, but it gave me 7 to choose from.
>=20
> Shannon
>=20
>=20
Glad it worked for you. I have found vet's in 2 locations using it, and =
liked them both.
Enjoy your winter. I lived near the Mackinaw Straits several years, and =
loved it.
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| XXXXgizzieXXXX |
"Shannon" <> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never
seemed to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?...
The same vet that layed the guilt on my mom for the lack of pellets
tried to get us with "ALL birds need to see a vet once a year, if only
to trim beaks and nails" and I'm, like "Yeah, well, I trim beaks and
nails for *other people** so I think we got that covered, thanks".
Bitch.
XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX
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| Lee & Trish |
"Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
to
> need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
something
> that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
get
> them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
book...
> about 60 miles away.
>
> Shannon
> --
>
>
> ***************************************
> Shannon Terpstra
> Assistant to Thomas P. Schwaba
> Thomas P. Schwaba Law Office
> 461 First Street, P. O. Box 215
> Menominee, MI 49858
> 906-863-0100
>
We take ours in once a year just to be checked.
Lee & Trish
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| Jennifer Mullen |
In <SUKcb.3341$RW4.1470@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Laurie <mymungedaddy@savedmefromswen.com> wrote:
> Another good reason for a well-bird checkup is that they can at least get
> base line numbers...not to mention that your birds could be harboring
> parasites and diseases that just aren't displaying any symptoms right now.
> Perhaps, if I had done the well-bird check on Mel and MacDaddy, I wouldn't
> have had such a problem with Giardia that I just had.
Yet another good reason is to make sure that you *will* have a vet to turn
to in case of emergency. Many will not take emergency cases that are not
current patients.
--
Jennifer Mullen
redjen@psu.edu
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| Robert Schuh |
Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Shannon" <shannon@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
> news:sbJcb.25863$pU4.10902@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>I've got four birds. They've never been to a vet. They've never seemed
>
> to
>
>>need one... and from reading posts here, I am wondering if this is
>
> something
>
>>that needs to be done for a bird that isn't ill?... If so, I'll plan to
>
> get
>
>>them in for a well-birdie checkup at the only bird-vet in the phone
>
> book...
>
>>about 60 miles away.
>>
>>Shannon
>>--
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>
> You may go their entire life and never need one. Many people go their entire
> life without going to the doctor. I almost never get real sick. My Doc often
> jokes about only seeing me once a year for my check up. Now if something
> does happen, or I am concerned about something it's damn nice to know I have
> a family Doctor. Same with your bird, if you have an Avian Vet, then if
> something does come up, or your concerned your not starting out at 0, with a
> Vet you don't know, who has no record of your birds.
>
>
I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
once.
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| thehouse@pooh.corner |
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:26:59 -0700, Robert Schuh
<rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
><(((*> I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
><(((*> once.
That's nice.
I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a
well-bird checkup.
At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health but
that he had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought
him back for a second weigh-in about three weeks later.
He had lost more weight, but there was no sign of illness and
none of the diagnostic tests indicated anything wrong.
We were able to identify a probably cause and treat it, and at
his last visit Jester had regained much of the lost weight.
The point is, at no time was there any sign that Jester was
ailing. The weight loss was gradual; it wasn't until he'd lost
nearly 10% of his total weight that he was noticeably thinner. He
was eating normally, there were no personality changes, he didn't
look sick or act sick.
If I had waited until he was showing obvious signs of distress to
take Jester to the vet, it is entirely possible that I would have
waited until his condition was critical.
I have never _needed_ to take any of my pets to a vet's office.
But I have _chosen_ to do so, just as I choose to see my own MD
every year.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| Alex Clayton |
"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
> once.
>
So is this supposed to be your "expert" advice? I'm sure you can find people
who raise their children without bothering with those pesky Doctors, never
had their kids vaccinated, and so on, so everyone should follow their / your
lead.
--
"Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!"
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<thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
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>
> I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a
> well-bird checkup.
>
> At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health but
> that he had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought
> him back for a second weigh-in about three weeks later.
>
> He had lost more weight, but there was no sign of illness and
> none of the diagnostic tests indicated anything wrong.
>
> We were able to identify a probably cause and treat it, and at
> his last visit Jester had regained much of the lost weight.
>
> The point is, at no time was there any sign that Jester was
> ailing. The weight loss was gradual; it wasn't until he'd lost
> nearly 10% of his total weight that he was noticeably thinner. He
> was eating normally, there were no personality changes, he didn't
> look sick or act sick.
>
> If I had waited until he was showing obvious signs of distress to
> take Jester to the vet, it is entirely possible that I would have
> waited until his condition was critical.
>
> I have never _needed_ to take any of my pets to a vet's office.
> But I have _chosen_ to do so, just as I choose to see my own MD
> every year.
>
> Tara J. Ballance
> Montreal, Canada
This is VERY common with birds. They have evolved as "prey" animals, at
least the common ones we keep. They have become quite adept at hiding
illness. The sick and weak get eaten first. Often when a bird actually
"looks" sick it's already too late. This is often when the "The vet is just
a scam", people post here saying their bird is laying in the bottom of the
cage, what should I do? Then of course that's the last you hear from them,
at least under that screen name.
--
"Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!"
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| Loren Coe |
In article <00ktnv8e8psp415968u3kvul12m1rklm2r@4ax.com>, thehouse@pooh.corner wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:26:59 -0700, Robert Schuh
><rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
>
>><(((*> I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
>><(((*> once. >
> That's nice.
> > I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a
> well-bird checkup.
> > At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health but
> that he had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought
> him back for a second weigh-in about three weeks later.
you don't say what was the diagnosis, surely everyone is curious. also,
the weight concept should become part of _all_ bird owners routine.
today's cheap digital scales make this so easy that to neglect it is almost
negligence. you don't need a vet for this first step, it s/b done at least
yearly, more often if problems are suspected, or for juveniles. --Loren
>
> He had lost more weight, but there was no sign of illness and
> none of the diagnostic tests indicated anything wrong.
>
> We were able to identify a probably cause and treat it, and at
> his last visit Jester had regained much of the lost weight.
>
> The point is, at no time was there any sign that Jester was
> ailing. The weight loss was gradual; it wasn't until he'd lost
> nearly 10% of his total weight that he was noticeably thinner. He
> was eating normally, there were no personality changes, he didn't
> look sick or act sick.
>
> If I had waited until he was showing obvious signs of distress to
> take Jester to the vet, it is entirely possible that I would have
> waited until his condition was critical.
>
> I have never _needed_ to take any of my pets to a vet's office.
> But I have _chosen_ to do so, just as I choose to see my own MD
> every year.
>
> Tara J. Ballance
> Montreal, Canada
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:55:19 GMT, Loren Coe
<loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote:
><(((*> In article <00ktnv8e8psp415968u3kvul12m1rklm2r@4ax.com>, thehouse@pooh.corner wrote:
><(((*> > > I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a
><(((*> > well-bird checkup.
><(((*> > > At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health but
><(((*> > that he had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought
><(((*> > him back for a second weigh-in about three weeks later.
><(((*>
><(((*> you don't say what was the diagnosis, surely everyone is curious. also,
><(((*> the weight concept should become part of _all_ bird owners routine.
><(((*>
><(((*> today's cheap digital scales make this so easy that to neglect it is almost
><(((*> negligence. you don't need a vet for this first step, it s/b done at least
><(((*> yearly, more often if problems are suspected, or for juveniles. --Loren
The vet has a digital scale on which sits a triangular perch.
Jester comes out of his carrier, flies over to the perch (after
six visits to check up on his weight, he knows the drill), and
sits.
The vet records his weight at each visit. It's part of her
routine examination, and it was simply because he'd lost
something like 15 grammes since his previous year's visit that
she asked me to come in for a followup.
We still don't know for sure what it was. Jesse had a very
slightly elevated body temperature and his blood tests suggested
a _mild_ infection, probably bacterial. Fecal stains indicated no
bacteria in his intestines, neither bad nor good bacteria.
The vet said that lacking certain good bacteria meant he wasn't
absorbing nutrients from his food, and that this would explain
the weight loss.
We had to give him antibiotic twice a day for two weeks, followed
by an antifungal twice a day for another two weeks. He also was
fed Bene-Bac every day in order to repopulate his intestine with
the good bugs.
He continues to eat Bene-Bac sprinkled on his treats.
But we still don't know how or why his tummy flora would have
cleared out, and we don't know what kind of mild infection he
might have had.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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IF not "pushed" out of the flock for the flock's safety. As in injured/sick
bird will be a handicap/risk to the rest of the flock.
Herman F. Ebeling Jr.
"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1065299505.62774@yasure...
> <thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
> news:00ktnv8e8psp415968u3kvul12m1rklm2r@4ax.com...
> >
> > I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a well-bird
checkup.
> >
> > At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health but that he
had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought him back for a
second weigh-in about three weeks later.
> >
> > He had lost more weight, but there was no sign of illness and none of
the diagnostic tests indicated anything wrong.
> >
> > We were able to identify a probably cause and treat it, and at his last
visit Jester had regained much of the lost weight.
> >
> > The point is, at no time was there any sign that Jester was ailing. The
weight loss was gradual; it wasn't until he'd lost nearly 10% of his total
weight that he was noticeably thinner. He was eating normally, there were no
personality changes, he didn't look sick or act sick.
> >
> > If I had waited until he was showing obvious signs of distress to take
Jester to the vet, it is entirely possible that I would have waited until
his condition was critical.
> >
> > I have never _needed_ to take any of my pets to a vet's office. But I
have _chosen_ to do so, just as I choose to see my own MD every year.
> >
> > Tara J. Ballance
> > Montreal, Canada
>
> This is VERY common with birds. They have evolved as "prey" animals, at
least the common ones we keep. They have become quite adept at hiding
illness. The sick and weak get eaten first. Often when a bird actually
"looks" sick it's already too late. This is often when the "The vet is just
a scam", people post here saying their bird is laying in the bottom of the
cage, what should I do? Then of course that's the last you hear from them,
at least under that screen name.
> --
> "Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!"
>
>
>
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I would also like to mention that IF the worst case happens and you lose
your bird to an illnes and take it in for a necropsy. MAKE sure to tell the
vet that you want your bird returned to you IF no one at the office asks
what you want done with the body.
I had lost by beloved 'Tiel whom I had had for 11 yrs. Under what had
seemed to be unusal circumstances. He had been behaving "normally" the day
before and earlier in the morning. But then a few hours later he was dead
just "laying" on the bottom of his cage. I'd located a vet's office that
had an avian vet on staff and inqueired about a necropsy.
Unfortunatly NO ONE at the vet's office asked what I wanted done with
Nogura's body after the necrposy, and assumed that I did not wish it
returned. They "threw" his body in with a bunch of other animals and did a
"comunal" cremation.
Needless to say that I was VERY unhappy with that office and cancled the
appointment I had made with them for my Lovebird. And did some calling
around and found another vet's office with an avian vet on staff. And have
been happy with the service that I have received. The second office had
even sent me a letter thanking/welcoming me to their office. As well as
expressing their symphony at my loss.
The first office NEVER did any of that. And I have sense learned that that
office is NOT well thought of in the community.
Herman F. Ebeling Jr.
<thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
news:bp50ovsoifsaeft98k4aaef56q1mk6n5fh@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:55:19 GMT, Loren Coe
> <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote:
>
> ><(((*> In article <00ktnv8e8psp415968u3kvul12m1rklm2r@4ax.com>,
thehouse@pooh.corner wrote:
>
> ><(((*> > > I take my now 5 year old cockatoo to the vet every June for a
> ><(((*> > well-bird checkup.
> ><(((*> > > At this year's visit, the vet said he was in perfect health
but
> ><(((*> > that he had lost some weight, so just as a precaution I brought
> ><(((*> > him back for a second weigh-in about three weeks later.
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> you don't say what was the diagnosis, surely everyone is curious.
also,
> ><(((*> the weight concept should become part of _all_ bird owners
routine.
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> today's cheap digital scales make this so easy that to neglect it
is almost
> ><(((*> negligence. you don't need a vet for this first step, it s/b done
at least
> ><(((*> yearly, more often if problems are suspected, or for
uveniles. --Loren
>
> The vet has a digital scale on which sits a triangular perch.
> Jester comes out of his carrier, flies over to the perch (after
> six visits to check up on his weight, he knows the drill), and
> sits.
>
> The vet records his weight at each visit. It's part of her
> routine examination, and it was simply because he'd lost
> something like 15 grammes since his previous year's visit that
> she asked me to come in for a followup.
>
> We still don't know for sure what it was. Jesse had a very
> slightly elevated body temperature and his blood tests suggested
> a _mild_ infection, probably bacterial. Fecal stains indicated no
> bacteria in his intestines, neither bad nor good bacteria.
>
> The vet said that lacking certain good bacteria meant he wasn't
> absorbing nutrients from his food, and that this would explain
> the weight loss.
>
> We had to give him antibiotic twice a day for two weeks, followed
> by an antifungal twice a day for another two weeks. He also was
> fed Bene-Bac every day in order to repopulate his intestine with
> the good bugs.
>
> He continues to eat Bene-Bac sprinkled on his treats.
>
> But we still don't know how or why his tummy flora would have
> cleared out, and we don't know what kind of mild infection he
> might have had.
>
> Tara J. Ballance
> Montreal, Canada
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"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> I would also like to mention that IF the worst case happens and you lose
> your bird to an illnes and take it in for a necropsy. MAKE sure to tell
the
> vet that you want your bird returned to you IF no one at the office asks
> what you want done with the body.
>
> I had lost by beloved 'Tiel whom I had had for 11 yrs. Under what had
> seemed to be unusal circumstances. He had been behaving "normally" the
day
> before and earlier in the morning. But then a few hours later he was dead
> just "laying" on the bottom of his cage. I'd located a vet's office that
> had an avian vet on staff and inqueired about a necropsy.
>
> Unfortunatly NO ONE at the vet's office asked what I wanted done with
> Nogura's body after the necrposy, and assumed that I did not wish it
> returned. They "threw" his body in with a bunch of other animals and did
a
> "comunal" cremation.
>
> Needless to say that I was VERY unhappy with that office and cancled the
> appointment I had made with them for my Lovebird. And did some calling
> around and found another vet's office with an avian vet on staff. And
have
> been happy with the service that I have received. The second office had
> even sent me a letter thanking/welcoming me to their office. As well as
> expressing their symphony at my loss.
>
> The first office NEVER did any of that. And I have sense learned that
that
> office is NOT well thought of in the community.
>
Very sorry to hear this. Anyone with some common sense should have known
better that to treat you like that. Anyone who cared enough to pay to find
out what happened to their loved pet, should have been asked before the pet
was disposed of. This is another example of a good reason to have an avian
vet before you "need" one. After a few well bird visits or such you get a
good "feel" for the kind of people who run the place, and if your not
comfortable, you can search for another. Again sorry about what happened to
you. That was unbelievably callused of them.
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Thank you Alex. I was doubly upset to find out that I had not lost Nogura
once to death. But a second time to the fact that no one at the office had
the sense to realize that as you said someone who obviously showed enough
care of their bird and knoweldge that IF you have a multi-bird home to have
a necropsy preformed on the deceased bird to make sure that it didn't die of
something that might have been spread to the other birds. Would wish to
have the remains returned to them. It also stands to reason that a person
inquering about a necropsy realizes that their "child" will not be a "pretty
picture" to look at after a necropsy.
And would wish to either bury them in their own personal pet cemetary or in
a community pet cemetary. Or even as my step-mother has done with several
of her dogs have them cremated and their ashses placed into an urn. Now
granted with a 'Tiel I would imagine that it wouldn't be a very big urn.
But it still would have been nice to have had the option of what I wanted
done with his remains rather then having somene else decide for me.
Herman
"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> > I would also like to mention that IF the worst case happens and you lose
> > your bird to an illnes and take it in for a necropsy. MAKE sure to tell
> the
> > vet that you want your bird returned to you IF no one at the office asks
> > what you want done with the body.
> >
> > I had lost by beloved 'Tiel whom I had had for 11 yrs. Under what had
> > seemed to be unusal circumstances. He had been behaving "normally" the
> day
> > before and earlier in the morning. But then a few hours later he was
dead
> > just "laying" on the bottom of his cage. I'd located a vet's office
that
> > had an avian vet on staff and inqueired about a necropsy.
> >
> > Unfortunatly NO ONE at the vet's office asked what I wanted done with
> > Nogura's body after the necrposy, and assumed that I did not wish it
> > returned. They "threw" his body in with a bunch of other animals and
did
> a
> > "comunal" cremation.
> >
> > Needless to say that I was VERY unhappy with that office and cancled the
> > appointment I had made with them for my Lovebird. And did some calling
> > around and found another vet's office with an avian vet on staff. And
> have
> > been happy with the service that I have received. The second office had
> > even sent me a letter thanking/welcoming me to their office. As well as
> > expressing their symphony at my loss.
> >
> > The first office NEVER did any of that. And I have sense learned that
> that
> > office is NOT well thought of in the community.
> >
>
> Very sorry to hear this. Anyone with some common sense should have known
> better that to treat you like that. Anyone who cared enough to pay to find
> out what happened to their loved pet, should have been asked before the
pet
> was disposed of. This is another example of a good reason to have an avian
> vet before you "need" one. After a few well bird visits or such you get a
> good "feel" for the kind of people who run the place, and if your not
> comfortable, you can search for another. Again sorry about what happened
to
> you. That was unbelievably callused of them.
>
>
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| Marco |
"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you Alex. I was doubly upset to find out that I had not lost Nogura
> once to death. But a second time to the fact that no one at the office
had
> the sense to realize that as you said someone who obviously showed enough
> care of their bird and knoweldge that IF you have a multi-bird home to
have
> a necropsy preformed on the deceased bird to make sure that it didn't die
of
> something that might have been spread to the other birds. Would wish to
> have the remains returned to them. <snip>
That's really sad, but did you ask them what they did with the remains after
the necropsy is done? I know some vet offices (including my wonderful
vets' office) do NOT return the remains because they send out the animal to
UofM for the actual necropsy.
--
Marco
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The vet did the necropsy right there on the premises. Which also IF my
memory serves me correctly is what I had been told over the phone when I
called the office to inquire into whether or not they had an avian vet on
staff and inquired about having a necropsy preformed on my 'Tiel.
Herman
"Marco" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
> news:d94gb.53474$lZ6.8444335@twister.nyc.rr.com...
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> > Thank you Alex. I was doubly upset to find out that I had not lost
Nogura
> > once to death. But a second time to the fact that no one at the office
> had
> > the sense to realize that as you said someone who obviously showed
enough
> > care of their bird and knoweldge that IF you have a multi-bird home to
> have
> > a necropsy preformed on the deceased bird to make sure that it didn't
die
> of
> > something that might have been spread to the other birds. Would wish to
> > have the remains returned to them. <snip>
>
> That's really sad, but did you ask them what they did with the remains
after
> the necropsy is done? I know some vet offices (including my wonderful
> vets' office) do NOT return the remains because they send out the animal
to
> UofM for the actual necropsy.
>
> --
> Marco
> ~*~*~*~
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>
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| Loren Coe |
In article <rM4gb.53480$lZ6.8465646@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Digital_Cowboy wrote:
>
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> The vet did the necropsy right there on the premises. Which also IF my
> memory serves me correctly is what I had been told over the phone when I
> called the office to inquire into whether or not they had an avian vet on
> staff and inquired about having a necropsy preformed on my 'Tiel.
my sympathies, too, but what was the diagnoses, if any? --Loren
>
> Herman
> "Marco" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:hz4gb.5927$Hd6.4163119@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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>> > Thank you Alex. I was doubly upset to find out that I had not lost
> Nogura
>> > once to death. But a second time to the fact that no one at the office
>> had
>> > the sense to realize that as you said someone who obviously showed
> enough
>> > care of their bird and knoweldge that IF you have a multi-bird home to
>> have
>> > a necropsy preformed on the deceased bird to make sure that it didn't
> die
>> of
>> > something that might have been spread to the other birds. Would wish to
>> > have the remains returned to them. <snip>
>>
>> That's really sad, but did you ask them what they did with the remains
> after
>> the necropsy is done? I know some vet offices (including my wonderful
>> vets' office) do NOT return the remains because they send out the animal
> to
>> UofM for the actual necropsy.
>>
>> --
>> Marco
>> ~*~*~*~
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>>
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Loren,
It was the avian equivalent of gout. He had a build up of plaque
around his heart and air sack. And thankfully he was non-contagious.
Herman
"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
news:uw5gb.47990$%h1.32603@sccrnsc02...
> In article <rM4gb.53480$lZ6.8465646@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
> Digital_Cowboy wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >
> > The vet did the necropsy right there on the premises. Which also IF my
> > memory serves me correctly is what I had been told over the phone when I
> > called the office to inquire into whether or not they had an avian vet
on
> > staff and inquired about having a necropsy preformed on my 'Tiel.
>
> my sympathies, too, but what was the diagnoses, if any? --Loren
>
> >
> > Herman
> > "Marco" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:hz4gb.5927$Hd6.4163119@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> >>
> >> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
> >> news:d94gb.53474$lZ6.8444335@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >> >
> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >> > Thank you Alex. I was doubly upset to find out that I had not lost
> > Nogura
> >> > once to death. But a second time to the fact that no one at the
office
> >> had
> >> > the sense to realize that as you said someone who obviously showed
> > enough
> >> > care of their bird and knoweldge that IF you have a multi-bird home
to
> >> have
> >> > a necropsy preformed on the deceased bird to make sure that it didn't
> > die
> >> of
> >> > something that might have been spread to the other birds. Would wish
to
> >> > have the remains returned to them. <snip>
> >>
> >> That's really sad, but did you ask them what they did with the remains
> > after
> >> the necropsy is done? I know some vet offices (including my wonderful
> >> vets' office) do NOT return the remains because they send out the
animal
> > to
> >> UofM for the actual necropsy.
> >>
> >> --
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| Vox |
On 6-Oct-2003, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
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> Loren,
>
> It was the avian equivalent of gout. He had a build up of plaque
> around his heart and air sack. And thankfully he was non-contagious.
>
> Herman
The current school of thought on the cause of visceral gout in birds, is
that it
is due to a long term deficiency of Vit.A in their diet.
Vox.
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According the vet that I am currently taking Hikaru and Neo to, is that his
(Norgura's) diet was too high in protein. And that is what lead him to
developing it.
His diet was Nutriberries, getting 4 berries a day.
The new vet has recommended a mixture of seed, table food, and the "el
cheapo" store brand dry cat or dog food. As it is basically the same
formula as the commercially available pelleted diets for birds.
So what I do now with Hikaru is to take a couple of berries break them up
and mix them in with some "'Tiel" seed mix and feed that to him. As well as
allowing him to sample foods from my plate. NOT directly from my plate mind
you, but placed on a smaller plate that is just for him. I also do the same
for Neo my Lovebird.
Herman
"Vox" <vox@dontryafrica.com> wrote in message
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>
> On 6-Oct-2003, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
>
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> > Loren,
> >
> > It was the avian equivalent of gout. He had a build up of plaque
> > around his heart and air sack. And thankfully he was non-contagious.
> >
> > Herman
>
> The current school of thought on the cause of visceral gout in birds, is
> that it
> is due to a long term deficiency of Vit.A in their diet.
> Vox.
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| Vox |
On 6-Oct-2003, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
> The new vet has recommended a mixture of seed, table food, and the "el
> cheapo" store brand dry cat or dog food. As it is basically the same
> formula as the commercially available pelleted diets for birds.
They are your birds and the Vet is your choice too. After reading the
recommended diet advocated above, I'd be looking for another new Vet
like right now, before anything serious happens and you have to go looking
for someone who really knows birds. Dog or cat food is made from carcass
meal
and rancid fat which can contain anything from antibiotics to hormones at
the very least. Especially so for the el-cheapo brands.
NOT a diet to recommend for pet birds IMO. As I said though, the final
choice is yours.
Do a google search on dog food. You should find enough to make your
hair stand on end. The protein, fat, minerals and fibre breakdown might look
the
same but the ingredients are vastly different.
Vox.
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| Toucanldy |
>Subject: Re: Vet Requirement
>From: "Vox" vox@dontryafrica.com
>They are your birds and the Vet is your choice too. After reading the
>recommended diet advocated above, I'd be looking for another new Vet
>like right now, before anything serious happens and you have to go looking
>for someone who really knows birds. Dog or cat food is made from carcass
>meal
>and rancid fat which can contain anything from antibiotics to hormones at
>the very least. Especially so for the el-cheapo brands.
>NOT a diet to recommend for pet birds IMO. As I said though, the final
>choice is yours.
>Do a google search on dog food. You should find enough to make your
>hair stand on end. The protein, fat, minerals and fibre breakdown might look
>the
>same but the ingredients are vastly different.
>Vox.
http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79
http://www.flint-river-ranch-d966.c...nd_Cat_Food.htm
Regards
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| Loren Coe |
In article <20031006173501.21420.00000371@mb-m02.aol.com>, Toucanldy wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Vet Requirement
>>From: "Vox" vox@dontryafrica.com
>
>>They are your birds and the Vet is your choice too. After reading the
>>recommended diet advocated above, I'd be looking for another new Vet
>>like right now, before anything serious happens and you have to go looking
>>for someone who really knows birds. Dog or cat food is made from carcass
>>meal
>>and rancid fat which can contain anything from antibiotics to hormones at
>>the very least. Especially so for the el-cheapo brands.
>>NOT a diet to recommend for pet birds IMO. As I said though, the final
>>choice is yours.
>>Do a google search on dog food. You should find enough to make your
>>hair stand on end. The protein, fat, minerals and fibre breakdown might look
>>the
>>same but the ingredients are vastly different.
>>Vox.
>
> http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79
> http://www.flint-river-ranch-d966.c...nd_Cat_Food.htm
> > Regards
this page mentions, extruded forms, make me wonder if they may also
be talking about pellets for pet birds?
they really don't make a disctinction between canned and dry. --Loren
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Vox,
Acutally he comes very well recomended. And the only "argument" I have
with him is his recomendation to feed dry dog/cat food to a parrot.
What I have been doing is to take and crumble up two or three
Nutriberries and mix it in with a "'Tiel" seed formula. And to encourage
him to eat fresh fruits and veggies by placing them in his cage while eating
the samething in front of him while also making a BIG deal/production out of
how good it is.
Herman
"Vox" <vox@dontryafrica.com> wrote in message
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> On 6-Oct-2003, "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
>
> > The new vet has recommended a mixture of seed, table food, and the "el
> > cheapo" store brand dry cat or dog food. As it is basically the same
> > formula as the commercially available pelleted diets for birds.
>
> They are your birds and the Vet is your choice too. After reading the
> recommended diet advocated above, I'd be looking for another new Vet
> like right now, before anything serious happens and you have to go looking
> for someone who really knows birds. Dog or cat food is made from carcass
> meal
> and rancid fat which can contain anything from antibiotics to hormones at
> the very least. Especially so for the el-cheapo brands.
> NOT a diet to recommend for pet birds IMO. As I said though, the final
> choice is yours.
> Do a google search on dog food. You should find enough to make your
> hair stand on end. The protein, fat, minerals and fibre breakdown might
look
> the
> same but the ingredients are vastly different.
> Vox.
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Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> news:Wuvfb.5303$hp5.1173@fed1read04...
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>>I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
>>once.
>>
>
> So is this supposed to be your "expert" advice? I'm sure you can find people
> who raise their children without bothering with those pesky Doctors, never
> had their kids vaccinated, and so on, so everyone should follow their / your
> lead.
Comparing human children to a Macaw is flawed logic. Time to butch up a bit.
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Robert,
I am sure that the original author was just making an analogy with their
statement. And was not actually comparing children with Macaws. Even
though from it is widely excepted that most parrots DO have the same
mentality as a 3-yr old toddler.
That given I'd like to say that it is/was an adept analogy. Given that
unfortunately there ARE parents out there who for whatever reasons DO follow
the "routine" of not taking their children to the doctor's office because
"they've never been sick." And thus they see no "need" to take them to the
doctor's office.
And unfortunately there are pet owners who DO NOT take their pets to the
vets for regular check-ups. And wait until it is too late to take their
pets to the vets when they are sick, and the only thing that the vet can do
is to recommend that the pet be put down because there is NOTHING that they
can do to save their life.
Herman
"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
news:3F83058F.6030208@robschuh.com...
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>
> > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
> > news:Wuvfb.5303$hp5.1173@fed1read04...
> >
> >>I have never needed to take my now 16 year old Miligold Macaw to the vet
> >>once.
> >>
> >
> > So is this supposed to be your "expert" advice? I'm sure you can find
people
> > who raise their children without bothering with those pesky Doctors,
never
> > had their kids vaccinated, and so on, so everyone should follow their /
your
> > lead.
>
>
> Comparing human children to a Macaw is flawed logic. Time to butch up a
bit.
>
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| Alex Clayton |
"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Robert,
>
> I am sure that the original author was just making an analogy with
their
> statement. And was not actually comparing children with Macaws. Even
> though from it is widely excepted that most parrots DO have the same
> mentality as a 3-yr old toddler.
>
> That given I'd like to say that it is/was an adept analogy. Given
that
> unfortunately there ARE parents out there who for whatever reasons DO
follow
> the "routine" of not taking their children to the doctor's office because
> "they've never been sick." And thus they see no "need" to take them to
the
> doctor's office.
>
> And unfortunately there are pet owners who DO NOT take their pets to
the
> vets for regular check-ups. And wait until it is too late to take their
> pets to the vets when they are sick, and the only thing that the vet can
do
> is to recommend that the pet be put down because there is NOTHING that
they
> can do to save their life.
>
> Herman
Often with children it's a matter of laziness. People just have too many
"important" things to do. Often with pets it's a matter of money, since few
people have heath insurance for their pets. A lot of people just do not want
to spend the money, so they pretend that wellness check ups are just a waste
of money. They are also the same ones who post here when the bird is at
deaths door wanting "free help". Sad, but that's life. This guy looks like a
troll, and probably does not even have a bird, at least I hope he does not,
but you never know. There are unfortunately many, many pet owners who treat
there pets as "disposable".
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"Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
> news:WeEgb.55090$nU6.9388205@twister.nyc.rr.com...
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> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I am sure that the original author was just making an analogy with
> their
> > statement. And was not actually comparing children with Macaws. Even
> > though from it is widely excepted that most parrots DO have the same
> > mentality as a 3-yr old toddler.
> >
> > That given I'd like to say that it is/was an adept analogy. Given
> that
> > unfortunately there ARE parents out there who for whatever reasons DO
> follow
> > the "routine" of not taking their children to the doctor's office
because
> > "they've never been sick." And thus they see no "need" to take them to
> the
> > doctor's office.
> >
> > And unfortunately there are pet owners who DO NOT take their pets to
> the
> > vets for regular check-ups. And wait until it is too late to take their
> > pets to the vets when they are sick, and the only thing that the vet can
> do
> > is to recommend that the pet be put down because there is NOTHING that
> they
> > can do to save their life.
> >
> > Herman
>
> Often with children it's a matter of laziness. People just have too many
> "important" things to do. Often with pets it's a matter of money, since
few
> people have heath insurance for their pets. A lot of people just do not
want
> to spend the money, so they pretend that wellness check ups are just a
waste
> of money. They are also the same ones who post here when the bird is at
> deaths door wanting "free help". Sad, but that's life. This guy looks like
a
> troll, and probably does not even have a bird, at least I hope he does
not,
> but you never know. There are unfortunately many, many pet owners who
treat
> there pets as "disposable".
>
>
Alex,
Yep, this is all too true. And they are also the same type of person
who when out driving will cut a person off and then blame that person and/IF
they get into an accident.
And yes unfortunately there are also people out there who do not bond
with their pets and as you've said treat them as "disposable" items with no
more thought then what would give to throwing away an old chair or table.
And they are the type of person who should not have a pet, but unfortunately
there is no law preventing a person from owning pets. UNLESS they've been
proven to be criminally negligent.
Herman
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In article <ERHgb.55103$nU6.9483519@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Digital_Cowboy wrote:
>
> "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1065561553.553911@yasure...
>> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
.....>>
>> Often with children it's a matter of laziness. People just have too many
>> "important" things to do. Often with pets it's a matter of money, since
.....>> There are unfortunately many, many pet owners who > treat
>> there pets as "disposable". >> >> > Alex,
>
> Yep, this is all too true. And they are also the same type of person
> who when out driving will cut a person off and then blame that person and/IF
> they get into an accident.
>
> And yes unfortunately there are also people out there who do not bond
> with their pets and as you've said treat them as "disposable" items with no
> more thought then what would give to throwing away an old chair or table.
> And they are the type of person who should not have a pet, but unfortunately
> there is no law preventing a person from owning pets. UNLESS they've been
> proven to be criminally negligent.
my 'favorite' neighbor kept a black lab penned,chained along our common
fence which barked all nite 70% of the time. over the years, he
finally stopped barking at me and would poke his head over the fence
for a scratch. i really felt bad for him, i was the _only_ human
interaction he had.
when i mowed, i had to pet him on _each_ pass. <grin> --Loren.
>
> Herman
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"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ERHgb.55103$nU6.9483519@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Digital_Cowboy
wrote:
> >
> my 'favorite' neighbor kept a black lab penned,chained along our common
> fence which barked all nite 70% of the time. over the years, he
> finally stopped barking at me and would poke his head over the fence
> for a scratch. i really felt bad for him, i was the _only_ human
> interaction he had.
>
> when i mowed, i had to pet him on _each_ pass. <grin> --Loren.
What do you want to bet if you asked them they would tell you they never
needed a Vet too? Sad, but that's the way it is.
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"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ERHgb.55103$nU6.9483519@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Digital_Cowboy
wrote:
> >
> > "Alex Clayton" <alexxcl1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1065561553.553911@yasure...
> >> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
> ....>>
> >> Often with children it's a matter of laziness. People just have too
many
> >> "important" things to do. Often with pets it's a matter of money, since
> ....>> There are unfortunately many, many pet owners who > treat
> >> there pets as "disposable". >> >> > Alex,
> >
> > Yep, this is all too true. And they are also the same type of
person
> > who when out driving will cut a person off and then blame that person
and/IF
> > they get into an accident.
> >
> > And yes unfortunately there are also people out there who do not
bond
> > with their pets and as you've said treat them as "disposable" items with
no
> > more thought then what would give to throwing away an old chair or
table.
> > And they are the type of person who should not have a pet, but
unfortunately
> > there is no law preventing a person from owning pets. UNLESS they've
been
> > proven to be criminally negligent.
>
> my 'favorite' neighbor kept a black lab penned,chained along our common
> fence which barked all nite 70% of the time. over the years, he
> finally stopped barking at me and would poke his head over the fence
> for a scratch. i really felt bad for him, i was the _only_ human
> interaction he had.
>
> when i mowed, i had to pet him on _each_ pass. <grin> --Loren.
>
> >
> > Herman
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That is really sad. And I bet ya IF ya asked they'd have told you that they
"loved" their Lab VERY much. . .
Herman
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