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| stanislav shalunov |
My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
Amazon.
What are the main differences between these two species, apart from
looks? My current understanding is as follows:
* Grey is likely to be more intelligent
* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
* Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium
problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)
* Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems
Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
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Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/
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| Marco & Chuck |
"stanislav shalunov" <shalunov@internet2.edu> wrote in message
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> My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
> time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
> resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
> are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
> Amazon.
>
If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with a
tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't. Some
achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would happen
if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of the
bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the time),
diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are emergencies
that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of these
animals.
Parrots are:
noisy
demanding
messy
expensive
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Marco
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| Liquid Memory |
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:38:00 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
<chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with a
>tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
>birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't. Some
>achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would happen
>if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
>And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of the
>bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
>usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the time),
>diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
>fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are emergencies
>that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
>some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of these
>animals.
>Parrots are:
>noisy
>demanding
>messy
>expensive
Marco, you could be talking about anything in life. Kids are noisy,
demanding, messy, and expensive. I guess we should replace our kids
with tape recorders. Dogs, cats, horses, guinea pigs, hamsters, and
even birds have all these traits. Its what we do in order to provide
a good life towards our pets. The poster expected to get answers
about the difference between an African Grey and a Yellow Nape Amazon,
not to hear that it would be all these things. Of course these have
to be mentioned, but most people understand that these things come
with the territory. Is everyone that comes on here and Idiot to you
or what?
Tony
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| Laurie |
Liquid Memory <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:38:00 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
> <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with
a
> >tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
> >birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't.
Some
> >achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would
happen
> >if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
> >And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of
the
> >bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
> >usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the
time),
> >diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
> >fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are
emergencies
> >that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
> >some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of
these
> >animals.
> >Parrots are:
> >noisy
> >demanding
> >messy
> >expensive
>
> Marco, you could be talking about anything in life. Kids are noisy,
> demanding, messy, and expensive. I guess we should replace our kids
> with tape recorders. Dogs, cats, horses, guinea pigs, hamsters, and
> even birds have all these traits. Its what we do in order to provide
> a good life towards our pets. The poster expected to get answers
> about the difference between an African Grey and a Yellow Nape Amazon,
> not to hear that it would be all these things. Of course these have
> to be mentioned, but most people understand that these things come
> with the territory. Is everyone that comes on here and Idiot to you
> or what?
>
> Tony
Many people do not have a clue how noisy, messy, demanding and expensive
birds can be. And there's far too many birds being ignored, abandoned and
abused for exactly those traits and everyone considering getting one should
be made aware of those facts. So no, not *everyone* who reads the newsgroup
are idiots...just a select few.
Laurie
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| Marco & Chuck |
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:38:00 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
> <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with
a
> >tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
> >birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't.
Some
> >achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would
happen
> >if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
> >And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of
the
> >bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
> >usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the
time),
> >diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
> >fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are
emergencies
> >that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
> >some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of
these
> >animals.
> >Parrots are:
> >noisy
> >demanding
> >messy
> >expensive
>
> Marco, you could be talking about anything in life. Kids are noisy,
> demanding, messy, and expensive. I guess we should replace our kids
> with tape recorders.
I know of some cases where that would've been an improvement to the gene
pool.
Dogs, cats, horses, guinea pigs, hamsters, and
> even birds have all these traits.
Could be, but we were not talking about dogs, cats, horses, ginea pigs,
hamsters (noisy?) we were talking about parrots.
> Its what we do in order to providea good life towards our pets.
Yeah, like sticking them in boxes when they need to be punished, tony?
>The poster expected to get answers
> about the difference between an African Grey and a >Yellow Nape Amazon,
> not to hear that it would be all these things.
Well, tough ****. I don't see you contributing anything to answer his
question about the difference between those two species... could it be
because you're clueless?
> Of course these have to be mentioned,
What are you whinning about then?
>but most people understand that these things come
> with the territory.
That's where you are wrong (have I said that before or what?), a lot of
people go buy a pet bird but have absolutely no freaking clue as to what
they are getting themselves into. Then we hear them asking what to feed it,
how to house it, what to do if the bird is deadly ill but they will not take
it to the vet.
A little red flag is raised when the person says that talking ability is
'essential' and the bird will not be shy and perform for visitors.
>Is everyone that comes on here and Idiot to you
> or what?
Nobody called the OP an idiot. Fear not, Tony, nobody will take the title
from you.
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Marco
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| Liquid Memory |
On 08 Sep 2003 17:16:48 -0400, stanislav shalunov
<shalunov@internet2.edu> wrote:
>My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
>time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
>resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
>are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
>Amazon.
>
>What are the main differences between these two species, apart from
>looks? My current understanding is as follows:
>
>* Grey is likely to be more intelligent
>
Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some
birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are
just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers
in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world. Any
bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
intelligent and do many tricks.
>* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
>
Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor
in whether it will socialize in front of other people. My Yellow Nape
Amazon, Baby, will perform in front of people, talk up a storm, and
answer people correctly when they ask a question, or have a little bit
too much attitude. She loves to play and I can do just about anything
to her. This in my opinion is only because I have socialized her with
alot of people over her lifetime. Although no-one else can pick her
up, which is the way I want it due to the nature and location of my
business. I just don't know what people have on their hands
>* Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium
> problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)
>
A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium
deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source
of their diet is better than seeds. Of course you can add vegetables,
fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
extra supplement.
>* Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems
>
All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems.
Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet.
Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
If you buy the bird through a pet shop, make sure there is a health
certificate with the bird, and if there isn't one, what kind of policy
they have if the bird dies due to unforseen circumstances. The one
breeder I go through to get my birds has a policy if the bird dies and
its not caused by the owner, then she replaces the bird free of
charge. She does require a narcropsy to find the actual cause of
death, and if it was an unforseen problem, then she has no problem in
replacing the bird free of charge.
>Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
usual over other parrots.
Tony
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against you. You piss me off, I piss off you. Its only fair and
thats the truth. So treat me like I would treat you, and you
won't come out looking like a fool.
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| Marco & Chuck |
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
> usual over other parrots.
I'm just curious, don't take this as an attack, what do you base your
opinion on, that african greys need more interaction than most parrots.
Anything wrote by experts on this subject, somewhere we can read about it.
Marco
ps: all parrots (minus rare exceptions such as the ground parrot) are social
birds.
pps: it's necropsy, not narcropsy
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| Wheeler |
ROTFLMAO, Tony you get better and better, I do not have the time to tell you
about each bit of crap you just posted but you need to get some education
boy.
When I first got interested in parrots I spent a lot of time listening,
asking questions then listening some more. You might want to try that for a
while before you open your mouth again.
Bob W
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"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:lmdqlv0bt4bg1c035gk63lk45he5qb8s45@4ax.com...
> On 08 Sep 2003 17:16:48 -0400, stanislav shalunov
> <shalunov@internet2.edu> wrote:
>
> >My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
> >time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
> >resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
> >are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
> >Amazon.
> >
> >What are the main differences between these two species, apart from
> >looks? My current understanding is as follows:
> >
> >* Grey is likely to be more intelligent
> >
>
> Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some
> birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are
> just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers
> in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world. Any
> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
> intelligent and do many tricks.
>
> >* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
> >
>
> Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor
> in whether it will socialize in front of other people. My Yellow Nape
> Amazon, Baby, will perform in front of people, talk up a storm, and
> answer people correctly when they ask a question, or have a little bit
> too much attitude. She loves to play and I can do just about anything
> to her. This in my opinion is only because I have socialized her with
> alot of people over her lifetime. Although no-one else can pick her
> up, which is the way I want it due to the nature and location of my
> business. I just don't know what people have on their hands
>
> >* Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium
> > problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)
> >
>
> A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium
> deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source
> of their diet is better than seeds. Of course you can add vegetables,
> fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
> opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
> extra supplement.
>
> >* Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems
> >
>
> All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems.
> Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet.
> Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
> liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
> If you buy the bird through a pet shop, make sure there is a health
> certificate with the bird, and if there isn't one, what kind of policy
> they have if the bird dies due to unforseen circumstances. The one
> breeder I go through to get my birds has a policy if the bird dies and
> its not caused by the owner, then she replaces the bird free of
> charge. She does require a narcropsy to find the actual cause of
> death, and if it was an unforseen problem, then she has no problem in
> replacing the bird free of charge.
>
> >Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
>
> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
> usual over other parrots.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Eye for an Eye. Tooth for a Tooth. You come against me, I come
> against you. You piss me off, I piss off you. Its only fair and
> thats the truth. So treat me like I would treat you, and you
> won't come out looking like a fool.
> __________________________________________________
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| Liquid Memory |
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:25:52 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
<chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:q9dqlv0dt866o4t7rfslk01puiji0rad0t@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:38:00 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
>> <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with
>a
>> >tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
>> >birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't.
>Some
>> >achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would
>happen
>> >if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
>> >And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of
>the
>> >bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
>> >usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the
>time),
>> >diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
>> >fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are
>emergencies
>> >that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
>> >some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of
>these
>> >animals.
>> >Parrots are:
>> >noisy
>> >demanding
>> >messy
>> >expensive
>>
>> Marco, you could be talking about anything in life. Kids are noisy,
>> demanding, messy, and expensive. I guess we should replace our kids
>> with tape recorders.
>
>I know of some cases where that would've been an improvement to the gene
>pool.
>
> Dogs, cats, horses, guinea pigs, hamsters, and
>> even birds have all these traits.
>
>Could be, but we were not talking about dogs, cats, horses, ginea pigs,
>hamsters (noisy?) we were talking about parrots.
>
>> Its what we do in order to providea good life towards our pets.
>
>Yeah, like sticking them in boxes when they need to be punished, tony?
>
You are no more better than the bug I just stepped on, I have never
put my birds in a box, I don't have to. I have better transportation
for them, and have a better way to train them then to do that. What
are you on drugs or something?
> >The poster expected to get answers
>> about the difference between an African Grey and a >Yellow Nape Amazon,
>> not to hear that it would be all these things.
>
>Well, tough ****. I don't see you contributing anything to answer his
>question about the difference between those two species... could it be
>because you're clueless.
Clueless the only clueless person is you.
>
>> Of course these have to be mentioned,
>
>What are you whinning about then?
I'm so-called whining cause all you do is put people down, tell them
they are, in essence, stupid for even thinking about getting a bird.
Yeah there are bad aspects in any pet, but all you do is complain to
people that birds are more hassle than they want.
>
> >but most people understand that these things come
>> with the territory.
>
>That's where you are wrong (have I said that before or what?), a lot of
>people go buy a pet bird but have absolutely no freaking clue as to what
>they are getting themselves into. Then we hear them asking what to feed it,
>how to house it, what to do if the bird is deadly ill but they will not take
>it to the vet.
Yeah and your answer to them is to get a Tape Recorder or a
Television. You have so much wisdom it makes me sick just answering
your stupid little posts in a way of trying to make yourself look
good.
>A little red flag is raised when the person says that talking ability is
>'essential' and the bird will not be shy and perform for visitors.
Alot of people don't know which birds talk and which don't, or which
ones are outgoing and which ones aren't. Doesn't mean that they can't
learn. What you told them was don't buy a bird, buy a tape recorder.
>
> >Is everyone that comes on here and Idiot to you
>> or what?
>
>Nobody called the OP an idiot. Fear not, Tony, nobody will take the title
>from you.
That may be true, but calling a person an idiot and making them feel
like one is the same thing in my book.
Tony
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| Toucanldy |
>From: Liquid Memory liqbbs@bellsouth.net
>A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium
>deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source
>of their diet is better than seeds. Of course you can add vegetables,
>fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
>opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
>extra supplement.
* Liquid memory just seeps right out.*
Did you read the whole article that you referenced in another post, regarding
seeds and pellets?
http://www.holisticbird.org/diet/debatepellet1.htm
Here are some more quotes, from above article.
*As time went on and I learned more, I started realizing how extremist my
viewpoints of feeding just pellets really were. Of course an all-seed diet will
result in malnourished birds. There are nutrients that seeds do not contain. A
limited diet of any kind will result in malnutrition. Even most pellet
manufacturers admit that feeding an all pellet diet is not to the bird's best
benefit over the long term.
Pellets definitely aren't tailored for any particular bird. However, there is a
phenomenon we have discussed previously on this list. When birds, who have been
on a poor diet, are initially fed pellets, they begin to glow with good health.
Their beaks, feathers, and feet clearly demonstrate the the dietary outages
have been corrected. As time goes by, there is a rebound effect, where other
nutritional problems arise because of the nutritional misses or overages in the
pelleted diet.*
Regards
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"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:q9dqlv0dt866o4t7rfslk01puiji0rad0t@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:38:00 GMT, "Marco & Chuck"
> <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with
a
> >tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
> >birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't.
Some
> >achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would
happen
> >if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
> >And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of
the
> >bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
> >usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the
time),
> >diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
> >fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are
emergencies
> >that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are
just
> >some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of
these
> >animals.
> >Parrots are:
> >noisy
> >demanding
> >messy
> >expensive
>
> Marco, you could be talking about anything in life. Kids are noisy,
> demanding, messy, and expensive.
yeah, but we can't sell our kids when we get tired of them. Well, you
might.
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>
> >Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
>
> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
> usual over other parrots.
>
> Tony
>
> Does this apply to ALL African Greys Tony (IDIOT)?
All birds are individuals!!!
Ray
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Eye for an Eye. Tooth for a Tooth. You come against me, I come
> against you. You piss me off, I piss off you. Its only fair and
> thats the truth. So treat me like I would treat you, and you
> won't come out looking like a fool.
> __________________________________________________
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| oldmolly |
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some
> birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are
> just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers
And on what do you base this comment?
> in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world.
Are they anything like mynah birds?
> Any
> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
> intelligent and do many tricks.
Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
> >* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
> >
>
> Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor
> in whether it will socialize in front of other people. My Yellow Nape
> Amazon, Baby, will perform in front of people, talk up a storm, and
> answer people correctly when they ask a question, or have a little bit
> too much attitude. She loves to play and I can do just about anything
> to her. This in my opinion is only because I have socialized her with
> alot of people over her lifetime. Although no-one else can pick her
> up, which is the way I want it due to the nature and location of my
> business. I just don't know what people have on their hands
Yeah, dope leaves a nasty residue.
>
> A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium
> deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source
> of their diet is better than seeds.
On what do you base this statement??
>Of course you can add vegetables,
> fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
> opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
> extra supplement.
This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.
>
> All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems.
> Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet.
Codswallop. Nobody knows *why* birds pluck for sure.
> Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
> liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
Please describe the disease or condition you are describing, its causes,
its symptoms and its cure.
>
> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
> usual over other parrots.
But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from
experience. What do you base your statement on?
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"Marco & Chuck" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> pps: it's necropsy, not narcropsy
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>
Is he getting confused with narcolepsy?
Or perhaps a combination of the 2? The vet falls asleep halfway through? ;0)
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| Liquid Memory |
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:40:15 +0100, "Ray" <r.sherl@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> >Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
>>
>> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
>> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
>> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
>> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
>> usual over other parrots.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> Does this apply to ALL African Greys Tony (IDIOT)?
>All birds are individuals!!!
>Ray
YES RAY, all african greys are Social Birds. If you do not socialize
them with activities then they will become neurotic, and possibly
become feather pullers. The more you socialize your african grey, the
better the bird will be.
Yes All Birds Are Individuals, DUH. Do you just make this stuff up as
you go along?
Tony
>>
>> __________________________________________________
____
>> Eye for an Eye. Tooth for a Tooth. You come against me, I come
>> against you. You piss me off, I piss off you. Its only fair and
>> thats the truth. So treat me like I would treat you, and you
>> won't come out looking like a fool.
>> __________________________________________________
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| Liquid Memory |
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:28:23 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:lmdqlv0bt4bg1c035gk63lk45he5qb8s45@4ax.com...
>> Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some
>> birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are
>> just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers
>> in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world.
>Are they anything like mynah birds?
So I got the spelling wrong. You are just PLAIN EVIL.
>
> > Any
>> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
>> intelligent and do many tricks.
>
> Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches
and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do
tricks.
>
>> >* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
>> >
>>
>> Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor
>> in whether it will socialize in front of other people. My Yellow Nape
>> Amazon, Baby, will perform in front of people, talk up a storm, and
>> answer people correctly when they ask a question, or have a little bit
>> too much attitude. She loves to play and I can do just about anything
>> to her. This in my opinion is only because I have socialized her with
>> alot of people over her lifetime. Although no-one else can pick her
>> up, which is the way I want it due to the nature and location of my
>> business. I just don't know what people have on their hands
>
>Yeah, dope leaves a nasty residue.
>
Oh so molly, you would let a kid that just ate a chocolate ice cream
pick up your bird? What are you STUPID?
>>
>> A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium
>> deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source
>> of their diet is better than seeds.
>
> On what do you base this statement??
>
Lets see, I have posted some websites. Want them again. Maybe you
can read through them this time.
http://www.quakerparrots.com/qtips/pellets_or_seeds.htm
http://www.holisticbird.org/diet/debatepellet1.htm
http://www.birds2grow.com/art-whysupplement-vit.html
http://www.silvio-co.com/cps/articl...1999mhagen1.htm
> >Of course you can add vegetables,
>> fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
>> opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
>> extra supplement.
>
>This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.
>
Gee, those websites above would make you look stupid.
>>
>> All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems.
>> Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet.
>
> Codswallop. Nobody knows *why* birds pluck for sure.
>
>> Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
>> liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
>
> Please describe the disease or condition you are describing, its causes,
>its symptoms and its cure.
Molly, I am not an Avian Vet, so for me to do that would go against my
better judgement. Try reading some of the information on the websites
that I posted. You may learn something.
>>
>> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
>> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
>> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
>> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
>> usual over other parrots.
>
> But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from
>experience. What do you base your statement on?
>
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww32eiii.htm
>
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| Ray |
Tony You really are the KING of IDIOTS.
Do you have any personal experiance in birdkeeping or ALL your posts based
on what you have read in books and on websites?
With all your VET friends surely you could get one to explain to us about
this liver disease.
I dont believe you have a friend in the world, but I do know you have MANY
enemies.
Cant you change your sig into "Tony a memory" and dissapear.
Ray
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| Janet Levy |
stanislav shalunov wrote:
> My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
> time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
> resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
> are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
> Amazon.
>
> What are the main differences between these two species, apart from
> looks? My current understanding is as follows:
>
My opinion is that both of these birds can be wonderful pets,
but large parrots take some knowledge to handle so that they
stay well socialized, well behaved birds. It sounds like you
are doing lots of homework on the types of bird your Mom might
like. I would suggest that your Mom and you also read some
parrot behavior books which would prepare you for how to best
handle such a pet. Yellow napes are often said to be one of
the more temperamental of the amazons, but that is a generalization.
Still, any person owning one of these birds should be comfortable
handling a pet which can (and will sometimes) deliver a painful
bite without losing confidence or growing fearful of the bird.
Sometimes a good thing to do before buying a bird that will
be an expensive purchase and will be capable of living 35 years
or more is to join a local bird club. The members can advise
you and you can also get the chance to meet various types of
parrots and try handling them.
As for talking, as others have mentioned, some types of parrots
are known as great talkers, but be prepared for the possibility
that an individual bird won't fit the bill. I have an eclectus
which is a species which is often a very talented talker, but
mine has only acquired a handful of words. Some of my parakeets
are far better talkers. You might want to consider the eclectus
in your mix of choices. They are very beautiful, usually fairly
docile and often great talkers (but not always!)
Janet Levy
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| stanislav shalunov |
Janet Levy <gamin@corecomm.net> writes:
> I would suggest that your Mom and you also read some parrot behavior
> books which would prepare you for how to best handle such a pet.
My mother went to the library and read most of what they had on
parrots. I've read the usual behavioral research works. Do you have
any specific reading suggestions?
> Yellow napes are often said to be one of the more temperamental of
> the amazons, but that is a generalization.
Yes, I've read that. I've also read in several sources that imitative
ability in birds (as distinct from intelligence) generally correlates
well with aggressiveness, African grey being the notable exception of
a non-aggressive bird that talks well.
> Sometimes a good thing to do before buying a bird that will be an
> expensive purchase and will be capable of living 35 years or more is
> to join a local bird club.
My mother tried that already but found that pretty much the only bird
species that was kept was the parakeet.
> You might want to consider the eclectus in your mix of choices.
Thank you very much for the specific suggestion. I'll check it out
and pass it on.
--
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You have received some good advise. One option I did not see mentioned =
is adopting a mature bird. You would need to be careful to find one =
without severe behavior problems, but you could then be sure it would =
talk, and see how it reacts to strangers. Even more important is how the =
bird reacts to your mother. Birds sometimes like or dislike a new person =
immediately. If your mother and the bird fall in love at first sight, it =
will go a long way toward ensuring a happy relationship.
One more thing: big birds live a long time. Be sure to provide care for =
any bird if your mother becomes unable to care for it.
John
"stanislav shalunov" <shalunov@internet2.edu> wrote in message =
news:87ptibkmkf.fsf@cain.internet2.edu...
> My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
> time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
> resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
> are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
> Amazon.
>=20
> What are the main differences between these two species, apart from
> looks? My current understanding is as follows:
>=20
> * Grey is likely to be more intelligent
>=20
> * Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors
>=20
> * Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium
> problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)
>=20
> * Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems
>=20
> Is all that right? Have I missed anything?
>=20
> --=20
> Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/
>=20
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"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> So I got the spelling wrong. You are just PLAIN EVIL.
Misspelling of a species name is the start of many evils.If you are
offering advice, at least learn to spell the species names.
> >
> > > Any
> >> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
> >> intelligent and do many tricks.
> >
> > Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
>
> Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches
> and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do
> tricks.
So elaborate. What tricks did finches and canaries do?
> Oh so molly, you would let a kid that just ate a chocolate ice cream
> pick up your bird? What are you STUPID?
I wouldn't let a kid pick up one of my birds at all.
> >
>
> Lets see, I have posted some websites. Want them again. Maybe you
> can read through them this time.
I see. so you are not offering unbiased info' based on your own knowledge
or experience, just some bias rehashed info you read somewhere.
> > >Of course you can add vegetables,
> >> fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
> >> opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
> >> extra supplement.
> >
> >This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.
> >
>
> Gee, those websites above would make you look stupid.
I doubt it. Your faith about all contained within those websites shows your
own stupidity.
> >> Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
> >> liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
> >
> > Please describe the disease or condition you are describing, its causes,
> >its symptoms and its cure.
>
> Molly, I am not an Avian Vet, so for me to do that would go against my
> better judgement. Try reading some of the information on the websites
> that I posted. You may learn something.
That's where we are different. Your posts contain only what you have read.
One side of the story. Or info gleaned from your 500 year old parrot
breeding friends.
Mine in the main are from experience.
> >> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
> >> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
> >> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
> >> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
> >> usual over other parrots.
> >
> > But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from
> >experience. What do you base your statement on?
> >
>
> http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww32eiii.htm
Ahh I see. Not from experience then. Not because you keep both species as I
do, but from what someone wrote on a website.
Mind you, if you believe in the bible, I am not surprised you believe
everything written on a webpage.
Dog bless
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:28:23 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:lmdqlv0bt4bg1c035gk63lk45he5qb8s45@4ax.com...
>> Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some
>> birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are
>> just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers
>
> And on what do you base this comment?
I read that the large parrots actually talk, not mimic. Often using
appropriate words to let you know what they're after. This seems to imply
that they actually learn your language. I'd also read that an African Grey
has the intelligence of a 4 year old, I am pretty sure this isn't true for
budgies, finches and the smaller birds. Presuming this is correct (?), I
seem to have gleaned a lot more info from my web searches than 'Liquid
Memory'.
Does anyone know what the approximate intelligence of a budgie is? Not
that I care anyway, I love my budgies just the way they are (be they loud,
mischievous or angelic).
Out of interest, can anyone speak parrot?
Bex
__________________________________________________
__________________
Pray for that day when you'll leave behind the grey
Pray for that day when your feet could walk on different soil
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> Does anyone know what the approximate intelligence of a budgie is? Not
> that I care anyway, I love my budgies just the way they are (be they loud,
> mischievous or angelic).
>
> Out of interest, can anyone speak parrot?
>
> Bex
> __________________________________________________
__________________
>
I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can
I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can
I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
can I can ...................................
Ray
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| Laurie |
Ray <r.sherl@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Does anyone know what the approximate intelligence of a budgie is? Not
> > that I care anyway, I love my budgies just the way they are (be they
loud,
> > mischievous or angelic).
> >
> > Out of interest, can anyone speak parrot?
> >
> > Bex
> > __________________________________________________
__________________
> >
> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
> can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
can
> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
> can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
can
> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
> can I can ...................................
> Ray
LOL...but not as well as Liquid Brain Fart. We all *know* how good he is at
parroting all the outdated and dangerous information he's so fond of
Googling!
Laurie - BWAAACK!
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| Liquid Memory |
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:24:35 +0100, "Ray" <r.sherl@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>
>Tony You really are the KING of IDIOTS.
>Do you have any personal experiance in birdkeeping or ALL your posts based
>on what you have read in books and on websites?
>With all your VET friends surely you could get one to explain to us about
>this liver disease.
>I dont believe you have a friend in the world, but I do know you have MANY
>enemies.
>Cant you change your sig into "Tony a memory" and dissapear.
>Ray
>
What do you base your information on Ray, your own personal knowledge,
at least I am willing to do the searches and find out the information,
while you are telling me I am the King of Idiots, you just keep
snipping posts and proving to everyone that you are the King of
Idiots. Post something relevant Ray, or don't post at all.
Tony
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| Liquid Memory |
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:53:58 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:dudtlv4c78ua7b8q3bio7m8bjs3glqujkk@4ax.com...
>> So I got the spelling wrong. You are just PLAIN EVIL.
>
> Misspelling of a species name is the start of many evils.If you are
>offering advice, at least learn to spell the species names.
>
>
>> >
>> > > Any
>> >> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be
>> >> intelligent and do many tricks.
>> >
>> > Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
>>
>> Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches
>> and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do
>> tricks.
>
>So elaborate. What tricks did finches and canaries do?
I was at a show in Busch Gardens, in Orlando florida where a finch
flew from the trainers hand, grabbed a 20 dollar bill from one of the
spectators, flew back to the traner and then flew back to the original
spectator with a dollar. As far as I know, the spectator was not a
trainer but could of been, and I thought for a finch that was a pretty
good trick.
Another one was on Animal Planet's Pet Star where a canary did some
tricks, so why is it so hard for you to believe that finches and
canaries can learn to do tricks?
>> Oh so molly, you would let a kid that just ate a chocolate ice cream
>> pick up your bird? What are you STUPID?
>
> I wouldn't let a kid pick up one of my birds at all.
>
>> >
>>
>> Lets see, I have posted some websites. Want them again. Maybe you
>> can read through them this time.
> I see. so you are not offering unbiased info' based on your own knowledge
>or experience, just some bias rehashed info you read somewhere.
>
Oh so you base all your information on personal knowledge, kinda one
sided don't you think? Tells me what you know about birds, about as
much as you have learned on your own.
>
>> > >Of course you can add vegetables,
>> >> fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my
>> >> opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an
>> >> extra supplement.
>> >
>> >This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.
>> >
>>
>> Gee, those websites above would make you look stupid.
> I doubt it. Your faith about all contained within those websites shows your
>own stupidity.
Oh so you are saying that these orginizations that have done the
research are wrong? I noticed you snipped the websites so that people
couldn't see for themselves. So I will post them again.
http://www.quakerparrots.com/qtips/pellets_or_seeds.htm
http://www.holisticbird.org/diet/debatepellet1.htm
http://www.birds2grow.com/art-whysupplement-vit.html
http://www.silvio-co.com/cps/articl...1999mhagen1.htm
You try to help people and they call you names. Just goes to show you
how stubborn some people can be.
>
>
>> >> Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the
>> >> liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.
>> >
>> > Please describe the disease or condition you are describing, its causes,
>> >its symptoms and its cure.
>>
>> Molly, I am not an Avian Vet, so for me to do that would go against my
>> better judgement. Try reading some of the information on the websites
>> that I posted. You may learn something.
>
>That's where we are different. Your posts contain only what you have read.
>One side of the story. Or info gleaned from your 500 year old parrot
>breeding friends.
> Mine in the main are from experience.
>
Your experience and your experience only. That makes it LAW. Oh I am
sorry you are the only person in the world who we should follow,
feeding our song birds only seed. I feel sorry for your birds, that
they should live such a boring life. The only thing you are worried
about is the money you get from breeding them.
>> >> In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in
>> >> socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such
>> >> need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other
>> >> birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than
>> >> usual over other parrots.
>> >
>> > But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from
>> >experience. What do you base your statement on?
>> >
>>
>> http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww32eiii.htm
>
>Ahh I see. Not from experience then. Not because you keep both species as I
>do, but from what someone wrote on a website.
Well I would rather believe in a website that makes sense then in you
that makes no sense at all.
>Mind you, if you believe in the bible, I am not surprised you believe
>everything written on a webpage.
> Dog bless
>
Yes I believe everything that is in the bible, it has never been
proven wrong. Your dog didn't die for our sins and raise himself from
the grave 3 days later. Your dog doesn't do miracles such as, healing
the sick, feeding the masses, or bless you with things. Yes your dog
may give you happiness, but can it give you the kingdom of heaven?
Tony
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| Liquid Memory |
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:32:37 GMT, "Laurie" <Imnottelling@noway.com>
wrote:
>
>Ray <r.sherl@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:X9P7b.472$eW.469029@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
>>
>>
>> > Does anyone know what the approximate intelligence of a budgie is? Not
>> > that I care anyway, I love my budgies just the way they are (be they
>loud,
>> > mischievous or angelic).
>> >
>> > Out of interest, can anyone speak parrot?
>> >
>> > Bex
>> > __________________________________________________
__________________
>> >
>> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
>> can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
>can
>> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
>> can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
>can
>> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I
>> can I can ...................................
>> Ray
>LOL...but not as well as Liquid Brain Fart. We all *know* how good he is at
>parroting all the outdated and dangerous information he's so fond of
>Googling!
>
>Laurie - BWAAACK!
>
Oh and you have so much information to give. At least I do the
research, what is your excuse? Don't tell me you know everything.
Tony
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> >> > Does anyone know what the approximate intelligence of a budgie is?
Not
> >> > that I care anyway, I love my budgies just the way they are (be they
> >loud,
> >> > mischievous or angelic).
> >> >
> >> > Out of interest, can anyone speak parrot?
> >> >
> >> > Bex
> >> > __________________________________________________
__________________
> >> >
> >> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can
I
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> >can
> >> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can
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> >can
> >> I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can I can
I
> >> can I can ...................................
> >> Ray
> >LOL...but not as well as Liquid Brain Fart. We all *know* how good he is
at
> >parroting all the outdated and dangerous information he's so fond of
> >Googling!
> >
> >Laurie - BWAAACK!
> >
>
> Oh and you have so much information to give. At least I do the
> research, what is your excuse? Don't tell me you know everything.
>
> Tony
>
I've never told anyone I know everything Tony. I dont think people would
believe me if I did.
Just like nobody takes your advice seriously!! You Idiot Tony.
Ray
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Hey Marco... I didn't know toys had to be rotated..... thanks!
Shannon
"Marco & Chuck" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "stanislav shalunov" <shalunov@internet2.edu> wrote in message
> news:87ptibkmkf.fsf@cain.internet2.edu...
> > My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of
> > time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited
> > resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that
> > are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape
> > Amazon.
> >
>
> If having a great talker is essential, your mom might be better off with a
> tape recorder or a radio. Parrots are so much more than just 'talking
> birds'. Plus, not all parrots will learn to talk. Some do, some don't.
Some
> achieve a huge vocabulary, some won't say a peep, ever. So what would
happen
> if the bird never learns to talk or even mimic any sounds?
> And about the 'limited resources' issue... aside from the inital cost of
the
> bird, there is the cage (usually really expensive), toys (lots of them,
> usually very -ridiculously- expensive and need to be rotated all the
time),
> diet (a good quality mix is not cheap, plus all the fresh veggies and
> fruits). Vet visits, aside from the well-bird visits there are emergencies
> that happen and usually they'll cost you an arm and a leg. These are just
> some things to consider before making the commitment of owning one of
these
> animals.
> Parrots are:
> noisy
> demanding
> messy
> expensive
>
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> Marco
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> ~~~~~~~
> *my isp is ameritech, not birdpoop*
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> accounts.
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"Shannon" <shannon@schwabalaw.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Marco... I didn't know toys had to be rotated..... thanks!
>
> Shannon
Just so the bird doesn't get bored with the same ol' toys all the time.
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| Mamabird |
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:53:58 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:dudtlv4c78ua7b8q3bio7m8bjs3glqujkk@4ax.com...
> >> > > Any
> >> >> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can
be
> >> >> intelligent and do many tricks.
> >> >
> >> > Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
> >>
> >> Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches
> >> and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do
> >> tricks.
> >
> >So elaborate. What tricks did finches and canaries do?
>
>
> I was at a show in Busch Gardens, in Orlando florida where a finch
> flew from the trainers hand, grabbed a 20 dollar bill from one of the
> spectators, flew back to the traner and then flew back to the original
> spectator with a dollar. As far as I know, the spectator was not a
> trainer but could of been, and I thought for a finch that was a pretty
> good trick.
Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Busch Gardens isn't IN Orlando, it's in Tampa. I've seen the bird show and
I know for a fact there are NO finches doing tricks or anything else.
I've also seen the bird show at Universal Studios in Orlando and guess
what? Nary a finch to be seen. ('Cept maybe in the rafters, but they ain't
the trained kind.)
I saw a dog, a cat, a pig, a monkey, even a donkey doing tricks. A couple
of Macaws, an African Grey and a cockatoo.... oh... and that beautiful *Sun
Conure* that flew into the audience and brought back somebody's five dollar
bill.
Was that you I saw there, Tony? The guy that couldn't tell the difference
between a Sun Conure and a finch? Yeah, musta been you.
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"Mamabird" <iluvbirds@directlink.com.> wrote in message
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> "Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:uq21mvs15qlcmjt8nsnbnqq1shpso0gran@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:53:58 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >news:dudtlv4c78ua7b8q3bio7m8bjs3glqujkk@4ax.com...
> > >> > > Any
> > >> >> bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can
> be
> > >> >> intelligent and do many tricks.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches
> > >> and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do
> > >> tricks.
> > >
> > >So elaborate. What tricks did finches and canaries do?
> >
> >
> > I was at a show in Busch Gardens, in Orlando florida where a finch
> > flew from the trainers hand, grabbed a 20 dollar bill from one of the
> > spectators, flew back to the traner and then flew back to the original
> > spectator with a dollar. As far as I know, the spectator was not a
> > trainer but could of been, and I thought for a finch that was a pretty
> > good trick.
>
> Liar, liar, pants on fire!
> Busch Gardens isn't IN Orlando, it's in Tampa. I've seen the bird show and
> I know for a fact there are NO finches doing tricks or anything else.
> I've also seen the bird show at Universal Studios in Orlando and guess
> what? Nary a finch to be seen. ('Cept maybe in the rafters, but they ain't
> the trained kind.)
> I saw a dog, a cat, a pig, a monkey, even a donkey doing tricks. A couple
> of Macaws, an African Grey and a cockatoo.... oh... and that beautiful
*Sun
> Conure* that flew into the audience and brought back somebody's five
dollar
> bill.
> Was that you I saw there, Tony? The guy that couldn't tell the difference
> between a Sun Conure and a finch? Yeah, musta been you.
> --
wahahahaha!!! Tony has been smoking whacky baccy again and didn't know where
he was or what bird he saw.
Tony if you are going to tell pork pies mate, you need to be clever and
check your facts first.
Nice one mama (gives mama high five)
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