| Mamabird |
The vet is treating all of my birds for Giardia, so I have to disinfect
everything. My question is, would my Euro Pro steam cleaner do the job or
is bleach better?
Also, I stopped in at our one and only local pet shop the other day since I
hadn't been there in a very long time. I was appalled to see they are
selling LEG CHAINS for birds! They were about a foot and a half long with a
ring on one end to slide over the perch (the picture showed an Amazon
chained to a T stand) and a clamp on the other end for attaching to the
bird's leg. The clamp kind of reminded me of a small version of those metal
clamps that go on washing machine hoses where you tighten down the screw to
make it snug.
I thought NOBODY used those horrible things anymore!
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "Mamabird" iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.
>The vet is treating all of my birds for Giardia, so I have to disinfect
>everything. My question is, would my Euro Pro steam cleaner do the job or
>is bleach better?
>
>Also, I stopped in at our one and only local pet shop the other day since I
>hadn't been there in a very long time. I was appalled to see they are
>selling LEG CHAINS for birds! They were about a foot and a half long with a
>ring on one end to slide over the perch (the picture showed an Amazon
>chained to a T stand) and a clamp on the other end for attaching to the
>bird's leg. The clamp kind of reminded me of a small version of those metal
>clamps that go on washing machine hoses where you tighten down the screw to
>make it snug.
>
>I thought NOBODY used those horrible things anymore!
Steam cleaning is supposed to kill everything, and it's less corrosive, and
less fumes.
Leg chains are dangerous and should not be promoted.
Regards
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| ravelation |
iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
wrote:
>I have 16 birds of my own to spend my
>money on.... plus 12 cats and 5 dogs.
>I'm not wealthy, but the vet bills get paid
>one way or the other (not to mention
>food, etc.)
>Here is a summary of my vet bills for the
>last 3 months:
>June 9, 03
>Vet bill, dog: $43
>July 19, 03
>Vet bill, dog: $50
>July 22, 03
>Vet bill, cat: $46
>Aug. 5, 03
>Vet bill, cat: $12
>Aug. 12, 03
>Vet bill, birds and dogs: medications >(Flagyl) $101.90
>Aug.18, 03
>Vet bill, dog: $43
>Aug. 19, 03
>Vet bill, birds: meds $9
>The vet is treating all of my birds for
>Giardia, so I have to disinfect
>everything.
This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
to mind.
I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
group of cackling hens and cocks.
You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
spend on your PETS. JMO.
Ravl
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| Noah Sark |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20849-3F4791D1-4@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>
> iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
> wrote:
>
> >I have 16 birds of my own to spend my
> >money on.... plus 12 cats and 5 dogs.
>
> >I'm not wealthy, but the vet bills get paid
> >one way or the other (not to mention
> >food, etc.)
>
> >Here is a summary of my vet bills for the
> >last 3 months:
> >June 9, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >July 19, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $50
> >July 22, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $46
> >Aug. 5, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $12
> >Aug. 12, 03
> >Vet bill, birds and dogs: medications >(Flagyl) $101.90
> >Aug.18, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >Aug. 19, 03
> >Vet bill, birds: meds $9
>
> >The vet is treating all of my birds for
> >Giardia, so I have to disinfect
> >everything.
>
> This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
> spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
> time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
> PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
> because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
> base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
> for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
> to mind.
> I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
> common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
> might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
> group of cackling hens and cocks.
>
> You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
> thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
> list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
> owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
> admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
>
> Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
> handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
> if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
> spend on your PETS. JMO.
>
> Ravl
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| Wheeler |
That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying works
for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can be
close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails, CVIs
when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
Bob Wheeler
--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20849-3F4791D1-4@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>
> iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
> wrote:
>
> >I have 16 birds of my own to spend my
> >money on.... plus 12 cats and 5 dogs.
>
> >I'm not wealthy, but the vet bills get paid
> >one way or the other (not to mention
> >food, etc.)
>
> >Here is a summary of my vet bills for the
> >last 3 months:
> >June 9, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >July 19, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $50
> >July 22, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $46
> >Aug. 5, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $12
> >Aug. 12, 03
> >Vet bill, birds and dogs: medications >(Flagyl) $101.90
> >Aug.18, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >Aug. 19, 03
> >Vet bill, birds: meds $9
>
> >The vet is treating all of my birds for
> >Giardia, so I have to disinfect
> >everything.
>
> This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
> spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
> time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
> PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
> because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
> base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
> for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
> to mind.
> I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
> common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
> might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
> group of cackling hens and cocks.
>
> You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
> thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
> list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
> owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
> admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
>
> Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
> handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
> if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
> spend on your PETS. JMO.
>
> Ravl
>
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| Alex Clayton |
"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com...
> That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying
works
> for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
>
> By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can be
> close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails,
CVIs
> when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
>
> Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
>
> Bob Wheeler
>
Bob, you have been here long enough to know better than to feed the trolls,
and assholes. All you do is encourage them. They know they got a rise out of
you, so they yuk it up and come back for more. Anyone with any common sense
knows the idiots are to be taken as such, idiots.
--
"Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
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| Alex Clayton |
"Mamabird" <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> wrote in message
news:xjL1b.361$Jh2.77@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> The vet is treating all of my birds for Giardia, so I have to disinfect
> everything. My question is, would my Euro Pro steam cleaner do the job or
> is bleach better?
As T L said the steam cleaner should work, and without all the corrosive
chemical. Of course the one problem would be you would have to get every
square inch hot enough, for long enough, which with a lot of cages, you
could be at it for a long time.
If it was me I think I would go the bleach route. A couple cages at a
time, outside, where you could really slop on the bleach water, then just
hose the cage off good.
Anyone know how long / hot , you have to get something to kill all the
bugs? Anyone work with those sterilizers they use for medical supplies?
--
"Things get better with age, I’m approaching magnificent"!
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| Starlight |
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:56:14 -0700, "Alex Clayton"
<alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If it was me I think I would go the bleach route. A couple cages at a
>time, outside, where you could really slop on the bleach water, then just
>hose the cage off good.
> Anyone know how long / hot , you have to get something to kill all the
>bugs? Anyone work with those sterilizers they use for medical supplies?
Boiling for one minute will kill giardia, but I'm not sure how to
compare hot steam with the boiling temp. If it were me, I would do
both, steam very well and thoroughly, then clean with hot bleach
solution, then steam again and wipe dry with paper towels. It would
take a long time, but you could be sure you'd gotten every centimeter
of surface of every cage.
Hate to say this but giardia can live outside the body for long
periods of time. You may need to steam those cages a couple times a
week for a couple weeks, along with changing the bottom liners at
least daily and changing their water as soon as it gets contaminated
with droppings, in order to completely iradicate the illness. (Don't
forget to wear gloves and keep yourself protected). Good luck with
your labor of love!
Becky
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| Laurie |
I think you're just a little embarassed about giving out such bad, stupid
and dangerous advice. You could fit your bird knowledge on your head...PIN
head!
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20849-3F4791D1-4@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>
> iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
> wrote:
>
> >I have 16 birds of my own to spend my
> >money on.... plus 12 cats and 5 dogs.
>
> >I'm not wealthy, but the vet bills get paid
> >one way or the other (not to mention
> >food, etc.)
>
> >Here is a summary of my vet bills for the
> >last 3 months:
> >June 9, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >July 19, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $50
> >July 22, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $46
> >Aug. 5, 03
> >Vet bill, cat: $12
> >Aug. 12, 03
> >Vet bill, birds and dogs: medications >(Flagyl) $101.90
> >Aug.18, 03
> >Vet bill, dog: $43
> >Aug. 19, 03
> >Vet bill, birds: meds $9
>
> >The vet is treating all of my birds for
> >Giardia, so I have to disinfect
> >everything.
>
> This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
> spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
> time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
> PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
> because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
> base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
> for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
> to mind.
> I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
> common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
> might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
> group of cackling hens and cocks.
>
> You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
> thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
> list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
> owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
> admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
>
> Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
> handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
> if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
> spend on your PETS. JMO.
>
> Ravl
>
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| Dave Sibbett |
"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com...
> That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying
works
> for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
>
> By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can be
> close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails,
CVIs
> when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
>
> Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
>
> Bob Wheeler
>
> --
> Check out our web site,
> A few new features and new pictures.
> http://www.onemorebird.com/
>
>
> "ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20849-3F4791D1-4@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> >
> > iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I have 16 birds of my own to spend my
> > >money on.... plus 12 cats and 5 dogs.
> >
> > >I'm not wealthy, but the vet bills get paid
> > >one way or the other (not to mention
> > >food, etc.)
> >
> > >Here is a summary of my vet bills for the
> > >last 3 months:
> > >June 9, 03
> > >Vet bill, dog: $43
> > >July 19, 03
> > >Vet bill, dog: $50
> > >July 22, 03
> > >Vet bill, cat: $46
> > >Aug. 5, 03
> > >Vet bill, cat: $12
> > >Aug. 12, 03
> > >Vet bill, birds and dogs: medications >(Flagyl) $101.90
> > >Aug.18, 03
> > >Vet bill, dog: $43
> > >Aug. 19, 03
> > >Vet bill, birds: meds $9
> >
> > >The vet is treating all of my birds for
> > >Giardia, so I have to disinfect
> > >everything.
> >
> > This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
> > spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
> > time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
> > PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
> > because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
> > base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
> > for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
> > to mind.
> > I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
> > common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
> > might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
> > group of cackling hens and cocks.
> >
> > You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
> > thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
> > list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
> > owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
> > admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
> >
> > Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
> > handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
> > if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
> > spend on your PETS. JMO.
> >
> > Ravl
> >
>
>
Just give it the ole www.amishrakefight.org/gfy and leave it be!
Dave
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| Mamabird |
> "ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20849-3F4791D1-4@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it.
>"Noah Sark" <Ndawg@theark.com> wrote in message
news:3f47bef1_8@corp.newsgroups.com...
> VERY TRUE!!!!!! VERY TRUE!!!!
Well, look at this, Ravl has her very own little sock puppet. Isn't THAT
special! And wow! what a well thought out, intelligent reply.
Ravl, you need to teach your puppets to SHOUT more than two words, but the
exclamation points are quite impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO!
--
Mama
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Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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| Wheeler |
You are right, but damn did it again. VBG
Bob W
--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1061671775.14053@yasure...
> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com...
> > That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying
> works
> > for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
> >
> > By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can
be
> > close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails,
> CVIs
> > when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
> >
> > Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
> >
> > Bob Wheeler
> >
>
> Bob, you have been here long enough to know better than to feed the
trolls,
> and assholes. All you do is encourage them. They know they got a rise out
of
> you, so they yuk it up and come back for more. Anyone with any common
sense
> knows the idiots are to be taken as such, idiots.
> --
> "Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
>
>
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| Morgans |
"Dave Sibbett" wrote one line at the end of three pages of previous posts.
Jim says "way to trim. Dave!"
"Good job"
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| Mamabird |
Thanks for all the replies! I did use a combination. Since the grates and
trays get the "poopiest" I took those outside and scrubbed with a strong
bleach solution, then left them sit in the sun while I steamed the cages.
Afterwards I rinsed the grates/trays, brought them in and gave them a good
steaming before putting back into the cages.
I got 5 cages done including Watson's mammoth domicile, which was a
challenge. Hope tomorrow to finish the rest if my back holds out....
Becky, I've done a lot of reading on Giardia; know how hard it is to get
rid of, and so I will steam all cages once or twice a week for the next few
weeks. :(
Thanks!
--
Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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"Starlight" <homehealth_rnDELETE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s2mfkvgpoe90li5lhlo5m1l0ue31ek36lr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:56:14 -0700, "Alex Clayton"
> <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > If it was me I think I would go the bleach route. A couple cages at a
> >time, outside, where you could really slop on the bleach water, then
just
> >hose the cage off good.
> > Anyone know how long / hot , you have to get something to kill all
the
> >bugs? Anyone work with those sterilizers they use for medical supplies?
>
>
> Boiling for one minute will kill giardia, but I'm not sure how to
> compare hot steam with the boiling temp. If it were me, I would do
> both, steam very well and thoroughly, then clean with hot bleach
> solution, then steam again and wipe dry with paper towels. It would
> take a long time, but you could be sure you'd gotten every centimeter
> of surface of every cage.
>
> Hate to say this but giardia can live outside the body for long
> periods of time. You may need to steam those cages a couple times a
> week for a couple weeks, along with changing the bottom liners at
> least daily and changing their water as soon as it gets contaminated
> with droppings, in order to completely iradicate the illness. (Don't
> forget to wear gloves and keep yourself protected). Good luck with
> your labor of love!
> Becky
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| Mamabird |
Ravl, Dear, I just know you're waiting with bated breath for my reply, but
I've been "tending to the needs" of my animals all day and, frankly, I'm
too tired to bother with you tonight.
Tomorrow we'll talk, K?
Nighty-night...
--
Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
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| Toucanldy |
>From: ravelation@webtv.net (ravelation)
>This is not going to sit right with you, but I have to say it. If you
>spent more time tending to the needs of your too many animals, and less
>time being judgemental to people here in RPB, they wouldn't be dying of
>PBFD, needing this much vet treatment, or now needing to be disinfected
>because of Giardia. The plus would be the group would get a more diverse
>base of posters because they wouldn't be afraid to post their thoughts,
>for fear of being beaked to death by you and your friends; Laurie jumps
>to mind.
>I'm always laughing at you with your "detective work" to uncover the
>common joe who doesn't know as much as you do, or who the latest troll
>might really be. Newsflash. The only ones who care are the ones in your
>group of cackling hens and cocks.
>
>You really are a piece of work. I wasn't going to compose this piece (I
>thought about it after your 'holier than thou Munchausen by proxy vet'
>list that you posted--it's that, or you're a really terrible unkempt pet
>owner. No one should have to see a vet that much!), but this latest
>admission by you that you now have an outbreak of Giardia is too much.
>
>Seriously, get out of email with Laurie, step back from here, and get a
>handle on your life. If you have kids, I truly feel sorry for them. And
>if I was one of them, I would resent like hell the money you choose to
>spend on your PETS. JMO.
>
>Ravl
>
Rave
Main Entry: [1]rave
Pronunciation: 'rAv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): raved; rav·ing
Etymology: Middle English
Date: 14th century
intransitive senses
1 a : to talk irrationally in or as if in delirium b : to speak out wildly
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| Loren Coe |
In article <nkV1b.5056$8i2.35@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mamabird wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies! I did use a combination. Since the grates and
> trays get the "poopiest" I took those outside and scrubbed with a strong
> bleach solution, then left them sit in the sun while I steamed the cages.
> Afterwards I rinsed the grates/trays, brought them in and gave them a good
> steaming before putting back into the cages.
>
> I got 5 cages done including Watson's mammoth domicile, which was a
> challenge. Hope tomorrow to finish the rest if my back holds out....
get thee to Lowe's or Hdepot and buy a Karcher electric pressure
washer, your back will thank you and you will never use anything
else to clean cages. wrt to germs, bright sun is about the best
disinfecant there is, ymmv. good luck with the problem, --Loren
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> Becky, I've done a lot of reading on Giardia; know how hard it is to get
> rid of, and so I will steam all cages once or twice a week for the next few
> weeks. :(
> Thanks!
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| ravelation |
rivercst@pacifier.com (Wheeler)
wrote:
>By the way, I have over 100 birds out
>here and my annual vet bills can be
>close to 1,000.00 a year just for
>standard stuff like checkups, nails, CVIs
>when selling babies. So those pissy little
>Vet bills ain't all that.
You, I understand. You're in business to sell healthy birds to people.
It's called Operational Costs. OTOH, Laurie with her $1300. of *debt*
and Mamabird with her "list", it would appear they're in competition
with each other to see who can visit the vet the most and who can give
them more money. "I paid the vet $150. this month and you only paid
$100. I'm holier than you in August!" (That statement I just made is
about as silly as me waiting with bated breath Mamabird's response or
that the person who agreed with me is a sock puppet.) I don't know the
person that agreed with my take, I don't recall seeing them post, but
have no doubt there are others out there saying the same thing, that
they agree with my feelings about this sitch. That people have to call
them names for agreeing with me is another wonderful trait of the MB
minions, and just another reason people are hesitant to post their
thoughts here. The active postings for a pet bird group should be more
than 285...why do you think the number is so low?
I mean, seriously, Bob, if you had as many problems going on with your
pets as Mamabird does, wouldn't you be freaking out inside? If it were
me, I sure wouldn't be on this list, taking time out and harshly
scolding someone for taking in an untamed street _budgie_ and trying to
make his last days comfortable. It's interesting to me how differently
people can see the same thing. She refused to see *any* good the poster
was doing because he initially refused to spend large quantities of
money on a bird that wasn't even his. Me, I saw someone who wanted to do
the best HE/SHE could do at the time, cried when the bird had to be put
down, and did in fact make the last week of the bird's life BETTER than
it was the previous week, allowing the bird to die with dignity. They
even allowed it to be closer to their own birds for therapy, knowingly
putting their own at risk in order to help the dying bird. Why someone
would kick a person down for helping, is beyond me, unless they're just
a "b*tch", as you have chosen to call me. (BTW, I knew what you wanted
to call me but didn't want to 'look' like you called me that. Cracks me
up when someone gives a cuss word *.)
I went to a new pet store the other day. The guy at the checkout was so
happy I bought a toy for my birds. He told me the bird supply guy said a
majority of birds get bought, put in a cage and sit there. No toys,
nothing. Now, that breaks my heart, but it doesn't make me go into hyper
beak mode as I realize (common sense) it's impossible to save all the
animals in others' care. I can only do what's best for my animals. I
know people like you and your friend MB disagree with decisions I make.
But, in the end, as you said, they're mine to make. Just like it was my
decision to show the hypocricy of someone like Mamabird, who has the
time to attack another person trying to help, but who's killing birds of
her own because of unkempt conditions. If going to the vet is the do
all/be all/end all to captive birds' problems, why in hell is she still
killing birds and endangering their health even after so many vet
visits??? Why is she asking here in RPB what's best for disinfection?
Didn't she ask the vet when he prescribed for Giardia? What's wrong with
this picture??
My dog, a lab, is 11-1/2. He's been to the vet to be neutered at 6
months, to a shot clinic for his shots, and the vet at the shot clinic
has looked in his ears and told me what to buy. His fee to look: free.
I've literally spent chump change for vet services on this dog over the
span of his life. He's still gorgeous, silky coat, catches frisbees with
the best of 'em and is healthy as can be. My SIL, OTOH, is like
Mamabird. She's always taking her dog to the vet for any little problem.
You know what? Her dog CONSTANTLY has problems. I equate this phenom to
the person who works on their own car--they're *always* having to work
on it.
Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
In closing, it's important to remember that a plumber tells you not to
use Liquid Plumber for a reason. It's the same reason many vets will
tell you OTC medication does no good. I'm living proof it does work as
I've been successful in the past with these treatments.
Ravl
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| ravelation |
iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
wrote:
>Ravl, Dear, I just know you're waiting
>with bated breath for my reply,
You wish.
>but I've been "tending to the needs" of
>my animals all day and, frankly, I'm too
>tired to bother with you tonight.
Yet you found time to contribute this gem and 2 other postings in this
thread. OKAY......
>Tomorrow we'll talk, K?
>Nighty-night...
So sorry I missed this yesterday. I'd like to translate, If I may....
"Oooh, this bitch hit my last nerve and I need to sleep on it so I can
get my venom's poison back up to maximum."
Ravl
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| ravelation |
notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
wrote:
>I think you're just a little embarassed
>about giving out such bad, stupid and
>dangerous advice.
Not one bit am I embarrassed. Did you fail to read the part where Bruce
had improved?
>You could fit your bird knowledge on
>your head...PIN head!
Umm, my knowledge of birds has kept me at a total of $0. for vet bills.
You're $1300. in *debt* for a budgie(s), right? I'm not sayin', I'm
just sayin'.
Ravl
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| ravelation |
iluvbirdz@.directlink.com. (Mamabird)
wrote:
>Well, look at this, Ravl has her very own
>little sock puppet. Isn't THAT special!
Too bad you didn't take more time and use your "investigative skills" to
dig out the *TRUTH*!! You'd see I do not need "sock puppets" to agree
with me. I don't know who the person "Noa Sark" is that agreed, but it
wasn't me. I'm sure all that "background checking" you like to do will
confirm this. (Why is the term "paranoid" jumping to mind?)
>And wow! what a well thought out,
>intelligent reply. Ravl, you need to teach
>your puppets to SHOUT more than two
>words, but the exclamation points are
>quite impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!
Now there you go, attempting to insult someone because they agreed with
me. Wouldn't it be more prudent of you to step back, look at the facts
as I presented them, and re-align how you're approaching life? That
someone could agree with my assessment, (I only offered facts you chose
to post), is it *that* impossible for you to see that someone might
agree with my opinion of you?
Ravl
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| ravelation |
dave@mylastname.com (Dave=A0Sibbett)
wrote:
>Just give it the ole
>www.amishrakefight.org/gfy and leave it
>be!
I've been watching this cage for a while, Dave, and I know you're one of
the cocks I was talking about. You're going to protect MB, at all costs,
even at your own expense. You were chided for this stupid one line
without extracting the rest of the post, just so you could tell me what?
To **** Off? Well, your butt lost a tail feather in the process...
One of the lackeys left to insert their diatribe against me is Marco.
I'm waiting to hear him try to rip me a new one, too.
Ravl
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| Swimmer Ducks |
"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message news:<vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com>...
> That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying works
> for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
>
Quite often the truth does not "sit well with a lot of people." I am
living proof of that. Cliches are just that: cliches, and when they
are vulgar, they are useless.
> By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can be
> close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails, CVIs
> when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
>
The average vet bills (they were presented as if they were average) of
$300+ dollars for 2 1/2 months time is excessive for a fancier; even
for a fancier with double digit animals. Your comparison of a fancier
to a breeder (last time I checked you were a commercial breeder) is an
invalid comparison of: apples to oranges. Even if your "friend" is a
commercial breeder she's spending as much as you are on a great many
fewer animals. As I see it, ravelations concerns are legitimate.
> Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
>
> Bob Wheeler
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Shaking my head in amazement.
SD
<snip all the previous - around here, we make it up as we go along
anyway>
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| Dave Sibbett |
"Morgans" <jessmorgan@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Sibbett" wrote one line at the end of three pages of previous
posts.
>
> Jim says "way to trim. Dave!"
> "Good job"
>
>
Sorry Jim, my bad! Can I have my tail feather back? ;-p
Dave
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| Dave Sibbett |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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dave@mylastname.com (Dave Sibbett)
wrote:
>Just give it the ole
>www.amishrakefight.org/gfy and leave it
>be!
I've been watching this cage for a while, Dave, and I know you're one of
the cocks I was talking about. You're going to protect MB, at all costs,
even at your own expense. You were chided for this stupid one line
without extracting the rest of the post, just so you could tell me what?
To **** Off? Well, your butt lost a tail feather in the process...
One of the lackeys left to insert their diatribe against me is Marco.
I'm waiting to hear him try to rip me a new one, too.
Ravl
I've said what I have to say, I ain't getting into a pissing match with ya.
We both know what you're about, and I'll leave it at that. Enjoy your
escapades with the cage.
Dave
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| Wheeler |
Check again little one, I am not a commercial breeder rather a simple
backyard hobby breeder, commerical breeder would not have all the red ink,
LOL.
Bob Wheeler
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Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
"Swimmer Ducks" <swimmerducks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43161c5b.0308240928.7163ff2c@posting.google.com...
> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:<vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com>...
> > That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying
works
> > for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
> >
> Quite often the truth does not "sit well with a lot of people." I am
> living proof of that. Cliches are just that: cliches, and when they
> are vulgar, they are useless.
>
> > By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can
be
> > close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails,
CVIs
> > when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
> >
> The average vet bills (they were presented as if they were average) of
> $300+ dollars for 2 1/2 months time is excessive for a fancier; even
> for a fancier with double digit animals. Your comparison of a fancier
> to a breeder (last time I checked you were a commercial breeder) is an
> invalid comparison of: apples to oranges. Even if your "friend" is a
> commercial breeder she's spending as much as you are on a great many
> fewer animals. As I see it, ravelations concerns are legitimate.
>
> > Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
> >
> > Bob Wheeler
> >
> Shaking my head in amazement.
>
> SD
>
> <snip all the previous - around here, we make it up as we go along
> anyway>
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| oldmolly |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20847-3F48E734-175@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
dave@mylastname.com (Dave Sibbett)
wrote:
>Just give it the ole
>www.amishrakefight.org/gfy and leave it
>be!
I've been watching this cage for a while, Dave, and I know you're one of
the cocks I was talking about. You're going to protect MB, at all costs,
even at your own expense. You were chided for this stupid one line
without extracting the rest of the post, just so you could tell me what?
To **** Off? Well, your butt lost a tail feather in the process...
One of the lackeys left to insert their diatribe against me is Marco.
I'm waiting to hear him try to rip me a new one, too.
I'm not a lackey, and mama and I have crossed words before now but I think
you are unreasonable in your original post. What is your grievance exactly?
Do you think she has too many pets? If so, too many for what? Too many for
*your* way of thinking?Too many for *your* pocket? Or is it that you think
she spends too much money on vet' bills? Would she be better not getting
them veterinary treatment when they need it?Would you be happier if all her
animals were healthy and she didn't spend so much on vet' bills? Even
better, would your blood pressure not be lower if you minded your own
business about the state of her finances,animals and vet' bills?
SOme of Us have a lot of animals. I do for one. Some of us enjoy keeping
lots of animals. Some of us like to moan about our vet' bills but would not
consider for a minute getting rid of our animals to save ourselves money, or
not getting an sick animal the care it needs, to save ourselves some money.
And as whacky as it may seem to some, those of us with a menagerie, are well
able to care for our animals and keep them fit, healthy and happy.We do it
by dint of hard work, a routine, and spending bugger all on any kind of
social life or luxuries for ourselves..
Just an objective post, doncha know :0)
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| oldmolly |
"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
news:qM22b.85849$2x.25779@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> In article <nkV1b.5056$8i2.35@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Mamabird
wrote:
> > Thanks for all the replies! I did use a combination. Since the grates
and
> > trays get the "poopiest" I took those outside and scrubbed with a strong
> > bleach solution, then left them sit in the sun while I steamed the
cages.
> > Afterwards I rinsed the grates/trays, brought them in and gave them a
good
> > steaming before putting back into the cages.
> >
> > I got 5 cages done including Watson's mammoth domicile, which was a
> > challenge. Hope tomorrow to finish the rest if my back holds out....
>
> get thee to Lowe's or Hdepot and buy a Karcher electric pressure
> washer, your back will thank you and you will never use anything
> else to clean cages. wrt to germs, bright sun is about the best
> disinfecant there is, ymmv. good luck with the problem, --Loren
>
I bought a pressure washer to do my cages but it sits in a shed, rarely
used. I did'nt find it that good really. And I'm not sure that sheer high
pressure cold water will actually kill virii and bacteria. I use exactly the
same method mama used. Bleach, sunshine and steam.Mind you I do spray with
F10 afterwards as that kills most bacteria, and lots of virii and loads of
other nasties too. Wonderful stuff. Even kills pbfd virii.
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"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20847-3F48E734-175@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
dave@mylastname.com (Dave Sibbett)
wrote:
>Just give it the ole
>www.amishrakefight.org/gfy and leave it
>be!
I've been watching this cage for a while, Dave, and I know you're one of
the cocks I was talking about. You're going to protect MB, at all costs,
even at your own expense. You were chided for this stupid one line
without extracting the rest of the post, just so you could tell me what?
To **** Off? Well, your butt lost a tail feather in the process...
One of the lackeys left to insert their diatribe against me is Marco.
I'm waiting to hear him try to rip me a new one, too.
Ravl
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And why would I do that? You don't need anyone's help to look like the
pathetic, sad, sad thing you are. Mamabird doesn't need me or anyone else to
'defend' her.
Sorry, but i'm not in the mood to engage in a little tiff with you.
Oh yeah, and before I forget... Go **** Yourself!
--
Marco
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| Laurie |
"unraveled" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20847-3F48DACB-170@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
OTOH, Laurie with her $1300. of *debt*
> and Mamabird with her "list", it would appear they're in competition
> with each other to see who can visit the vet the most and who can give
> them more money. "I paid the vet $150. this month and you only paid
> $100. I'm holier than you in August!"
Once again you can't get your little pea brain around the concept. The
point was that when I took these birds into my home, I made the commitment
to give them the best care possible, and if I can come up with the money to
pay vet bills, anyone can. If your birds were sick, really sick, would you
not bring them to a vet for treatment? Oh wait, you'll only spend $2.99 for
over the counter crap because, after all, they're *just* birds.
> That people have to call
> them names for agreeing with me is another wonderful trait of the MB
> minions, and just another reason people are hesitant to post their
> thoughts here. The active postings for a pet bird group should be more
> than 285...why do you think the number is so low?
So let me get this straight. Your attacking people for actually caring for
their birds is going to make people want to post here more? okayyyyy.
.. Just like it was my
> decision to show the hypocricy of someone like Mamabird, who has the
> time to attack another person trying to help, but who's killing birds of
> her own because of unkempt conditions.
Where the hell did you get the idea that PBFD is caused by 'unkempt'
conditions? She isn't killing her birds you moron, a terrible disease is.
Do a little reading before you make such stupid statements.
http://wwwvet.murdoch.edu.au/caf/pbfd.htm You bitch and moan about people
making assumptions, but you just did the very same thing you hypocrite.
If going to the vet is the do
> all/be all/end all to captive birds' problems, why in hell is she still
> killing birds and endangering their health even after so many vet
> visits???
Explain how she's "killing birds and endangering their health" You're just
so far gone in your sorry little world you can't even buy a clue.
L
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| Laurie |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> wrote:
>
> >I think you're just a little embarassed
> >about giving out such bad, stupid and
> >dangerous advice.
>
> Not one bit am I embarrassed. Did you fail to read the part where Bruce
> had improved?
Ummm, did YOU read the part where Bruce died??? You can't possibly think
that I'm convinced now that you were right.
>
> >You could fit your bird knowledge on
> >your head...PIN head!
>
> Umm, my knowledge of birds has kept me at a total of $0. for vet bills.
> You're $1300. in *debt* for a budgie(s), right? I'm not sayin', I'm
> just sayin'.
So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So what?
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| Laurie |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:bib90r$7cuuf$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de...
..Mind you I do spray with
> F10 afterwards as that kills most bacteria, and lots of virii and loads of
> other nasties too. Wonderful stuff. Even kills pbfd virii.
What is F10? Where can I get it???
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| Mamabird |
I LOVED the suck-up post she wrote you this morning. Oopsie! She didn't
mean to offend Bob! Started back peddling real quick. heh heh
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Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:vkfgn5f1fk3r9a@corp.supernews.com...
> That post is not going to sit well with a lot of people. Good saying
works
> for me, "work your own F*CKING program."
>
> By the way, I have over 100 birds out here and my annual vet bills can be
> close to 1,000.00 a year just for standard stuff like checkups, nails,
CVIs
> when selling babies. So those pissy little Vet bills ain't all that.
>
> Shaking my head in amazement, b*tch you come up with some winners!
>
> Bob Wheeler
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"Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20847-3F48E125-172@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> >
> > notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I think you're just a little embarassed
> > >about giving out such bad, stupid and
> > >dangerous advice.
> >
> > Not one bit am I embarrassed. Did you fail to read the part where Bruce
> > had improved?
>
> Ummm, did YOU read the part where Bruce died??? You can't possibly think
> that I'm convinced now that you were right.
Yeah, like "he's dead but his health has improved!"
> > >You could fit your bird knowledge on
> > >your head...PIN head!
> >
> > Umm, my knowledge of birds has kept me at a total of $0. for vet bills.
> > You're $1300. in *debt* for a budgie(s), right? I'm not sayin', I'm
> > just sayin'.
>
>
> So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So what?
If she ever does we know what will happen. She'll buy some
O-T-C -Make-Believe-Medicine and watch it "improve" to death.
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| Dreamspinner3 |
Who are you to sit in judgement of anyone in this group? Who are you
to decide whether or not a person is going to the vet's office too
often with their pet? Some animals do get chronic health conditions,
as humans do, and require frequent visits to the vet for treatment.
Sometimes health problems can very difficult to pinpoint and require
numerous tests and vet visits.
I have been to the vet's office half a dozen times this month trying
to pinpoint what is wrong with my elderly dog. Some health problems
are easy to diagnose and can be taken care of in one vet visit while
others are very hard to figure out and require tests to rule out what
the problem isn't rather than what it is.
Until you are perfect, until you are able to keep your pets in perfect
health without requiring any visits to a vet, do not pass judgement on
others. You may find that, sometime, you may be in need--would you
like to be raked over the coals in a time of distress with a beloved
pet?
------
Kim (Dreamspinner3)
Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/
ICQ: 48547727
Yahoo: dreamspinner3
AIM: coolkmm
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| oldmolly |
"Marco & Chuck" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Oh yeah, and before I forget... Go **** Yourself!
>
Hmm :0) Is this physically possible? And if so, is there a webpage
explaining how one does it?
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"Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> .Mind you I do spray with
> > F10 afterwards as that kills most bacteria, and lots of virii and loads
of
> > other nasties too. Wonderful stuff. Even kills pbfd virii.
>
> What is F10? Where can I get it???
>
>
It was formulated in south africa specifically to use on poultry farms. It
can be sprayed on, used in a mister, you can soak seed in it, it doesn't
smell, nor taste, it kills an amazing amount of nasty things. There is a
company over here which is the UK distributor.
Found this info on it.
http://www.healthandhygiene.net/pro...sp?ContentId=68
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"Mamabird" <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the replies! I did use a combination. Since the grates and
> trays get the "poopiest" I took those outside and scrubbed with a strong
> bleach solution, then left them sit in the sun while I steamed the cages.
> Afterwards I rinsed the grates/trays, brought them in and gave them a good
> steaming before putting back into the cages.
>
> I got 5 cages done including Watson's mammoth domicile, which was a
> challenge. Hope tomorrow to finish the rest if my back holds out....
>
> Becky, I've done a lot of reading on Giardia; know how hard it is to get
> rid of, and so I will steam all cages once or twice a week for the next
few
> weeks. :(
> Thanks!
> --
> Mama
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> "A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
> new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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Good luck, I do hope you can knock it out, and it would be great if this was
what was wrong and you can get it kicked. I know it's a ton of work.
As for the dumb ass, and her sock puppet, like I told Bob, anyone who has
been here, and has some common sense knows they are idiots.
--
"Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!"
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| ravelation |
notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
wrote:
>So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So
>what?
Yes, I have had a sick bird. It was cured through OTC antibiotics. When
you get the runs, do you go to the store and buy Imodium or Kaopectate,
or do you rush to the doctor to see what's wrong? I personally choose to
self medicate first, and then see the doctor if the OTC stuff doesn't do
its job. I will treat my pets with the same common sense.
Please tell me where you see the harm in this philosophy.
Ravl
really trying to be rational in the midst of a lot of cussing and dirty
name calling.
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| jberger |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> wrote:
>
> >So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So
> >what?
>
> Yes, I have had a sick bird. It was cured through OTC antibiotics. When
> you get the runs, do you go to the store and buy Imodium or Kaopectate,
> or do you rush to the doctor to see what's wrong? I personally choose to
> self medicate first, and then see the doctor if the OTC stuff doesn't do
> its job. I will treat my pets with the same common sense.
>
> Please tell me where you see the harm in this philosophy.
>
> Ravl
> really trying to be rational in the midst of a lot of cussing and dirty
> name calling.
http://www.realmacaw.com/pages/overcount.html
Regards,
--Jerry
(doing his best impression of Toucanldy, one of the foremost voices of
reason in this newsgroup)
;?)
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| Swimmer Ducks |
"Mamabird" <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> wrote in message news:<3Re2b.8243$jY2.6895@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> > "ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:20847-3F48E125-172@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > >
> > > notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I think you're just a little embarassed
> > > >about giving out such bad, stupid and
> > > >dangerous advice.
> > >
> > > Not one bit am I embarrassed. Did you fail to read the part where Bruce
> > > had improved?
> >
> > Ummm, did YOU read the part where Bruce died??? You can't possibly think
> > that I'm convinced now that you were right.
>
> Yeah, like "he's dead but his health has improved!"
>
Why is it so hard to understand that Bruce improved before he died?
His condition improved the first day I found him and continued to
improve. The way I remember it, ravelation was one of the first to
answer my call for help and some others (present company included)
were trying to be helpful in a strange, obstructive, missing the point
kind of way.
> > > >You could fit your bird knowledge on
> > > >your head...PIN head!
> > >
> > > Umm, my knowledge of birds has kept me at a total of $0. for vet bills.
> > > You're $1300. in *debt* for a budgie(s), right? I'm not sayin', I'm
> > > just sayin'.
> >
> >
> > So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So what?
>
> If she ever does we know what will happen. She'll buy some
> O-T-C -Make-Believe-Medicine
>
Thanks to the information ravelation provided, many of Bruce's symtoms
were relieved the last days of his life. The OTC antibiotics may not
be perfect (the vet said it's a symptom reliever, not a cure) but it
was all I had and his condition did improve while taking it.
Erythromyacin is erythromyacin, tetracycline is tetracycline and
something is better than nothing it's as simple as that. Bruce showed
visible signs of improvement including a significantly reduced tail
flick. Despite this improvement, the vet said that Bruce had "major"
problems. An autopsy confirmed these findings.
>
> and watch it "improve" to death.
>
If you are ever in the terrible position of having to watch an animal
"improve to death", I hope you will be treated much better than I have
been treated here by you and some others.
SD
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| Mamabird |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Ndawg@theark.com (Noah Sark)
wrote:
>>Ha Ha Ha Ha, No wonder you're getting
>>divorced.
> Yeah, what a _big surprise_, huh? Why someone chooses to air this kind
> of dirty laundry with complete strangers is beyond my comprehension.
I mentioned it in passing, so what? Had I wanted to air my dirty laundry
I'd have gone into detail.
I can remember several people who talked a lot about their divorces as it
pertained to their birds... Janet, who has Ruby the Hahn's comes to mind.
With any divorce pets are one of the main considerations so why would it be
wrong to discuss it?
> I rest my case on this latest entry of hers.
Am I on trial?
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Mama
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Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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| Wheeler |
Brother in law was having some bowel troubles, treated himself with OTC
stuff for a while, things got a little better, bit more trouble, treated
with OTC, masked the development of a large tumor in his upper
intestines,,,,,,,,,, I use common sense but I also did not go to medical
school, human or Vet.
Bob Wheeler
--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> wrote:
>
> >So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So
> >what?
>
> Yes, I have had a sick bird. It was cured through OTC antibiotics. When
> you get the runs, do you go to the store and buy Imodium or Kaopectate,
> or do you rush to the doctor to see what's wrong? I personally choose to
> self medicate first, and then see the doctor if the OTC stuff doesn't do
> its job. I will treat my pets with the same common sense.
>
> Please tell me where you see the harm in this philosophy.
>
> Ravl
> really trying to be rational in the midst of a lot of cussing and dirty
> name calling.
>
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| Mamabird |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> notinthislifetime@nowhere.com (Laurie)
> wrote:
>
> >So you haven't had a sick bird yet. So
> >what?
>
> Yes, I have had a sick bird. It was cured through OTC antibiotics. When
> you get the runs, do you go to the store and buy Imodium or Kaopectate,
> or do you rush to the doctor to see what's wrong? I personally choose to
> self medicate first, and then see the doctor if the OTC stuff doesn't do
> its job. I will treat my pets with the same common sense.
>
> Please tell me where you see the harm in this philosophy.
Laurie's reply:
apples/oranges...if *I* get sick, yes, I try the otc stuff first. If
however, my elderly father does, I take him to the dr immediately and don't
mess around with it. Because he's weak and elderly. I don't go running
every time there's something minor wrong with the cat or dog, because I
know they're hardier animals. But If my birds get sick, because they
usually don't show symptoms of illness until they are very ill, I don't
mess around with it and skimp on their care. I love them too much to waste
precious time.
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"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote ...
> Ravl
> really trying to be rational in the midst of a lot of cussing and dirty
> name calling.
Laurie says:
isn't that nice...you stir up a whole bunch of **** that you *know* is
going to upset people...insult me and mama deliberately to get a rise out
of us and then try to act as if you're so reasonable and mature.
Mama says:
Like Ravl's not guilty of using foul language. Little miss innocent. Right!
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| ravelation |
jberger@sprynet.com (jberger)
wrote:
>http://www.realmacaw.com/pages/overc
>ount.html Regards,
First of all, thank you for being civilized. There hasn't been much
civility in this discussion. I know I know...I started it. But to be
honest, my concerns were real. Yes, my motivation was to shove some
stuff at Mamabird (and Laurie, for that matter) for the harsh tone they
took over the Bruce matter. But to now read that her marriage is falling
apart is further proof my concerns may be valid. It almost felt like
bait, reading that she's divorcing.
Second, thank you for the link. I don't know what to say other than I
know my birds, I watch their daily activity a lot, and when they *start*
to show signs of illness, I've used the OTC products with good success.
If they didn't work, I'd take the bird to the vet.
>--Jerry
>(doing his best impression of Toucanldy,
>one of the foremost voices of reason in
>this newsgroup)
>;?)
Yes, she is a wonderful voice, even if it speaks out against me at
times. :)
Ravl
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:20:42 GMT, "Mamabird" <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.>
wrote:
>apples/oranges...if *I* get sick, yes, I try the otc stuff first. If
>however, my elderly father does, I take him to the dr immediately and don't
>mess around with it. Because he's weak and elderly. I don't go running
>every time there's something minor wrong with the cat or dog, because I
>know they're hardier animals. But If my birds get sick, because they
>usually don't show symptoms of illness until they are very ill, I don't
>mess around with it and skimp on their care. I love them too much to waste
>precious time.
I'm sure that's what it boils down to. I feel the same about my pets,
that's why I couldn't understand why someone would ask on a newsgroup when
symptoms were severe. Yes, it wasn't his bird but I have such a love for
birds that even if it wasn't my own bird I would take it straight to the
vets at whatever cost (to be honest I'd borrow, beg, sell things, whatever
to help any sick animal). Being the sort of person to take your pet birds
straight to the vet isn't a bad thing. How can it ever be bad to care too
much for another living thing? I would never feet OTC antibiotics to an
animal as that's not the sort of thing you should be using yourself.
Antibiotics are a bit different to other meds and should really only ever
be used appropriately.
If I had treated Magic with different antibiotics he would not have
survived his illness. Generic ones can only go so far.
Bex
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| jberger |
"ravelation" <ravelation@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> jberger@sprynet.com (jberger)
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.realmacaw.com/pages/overc
> >ount.html Regards,
>
> First of all, thank you for being civilized. There hasn't been much
> civility in this discussion. I know I know...I started it. But to be
> honest, my concerns were real. Yes, my motivation was to shove some
> stuff at Mamabird (and Laurie, for that matter) for the harsh tone they
> took over the Bruce matter. But to now read that her marriage is falling
> apart is further proof my concerns may be valid. It almost felt like
> bait, reading that she's divorcing.
>
> Second, thank you for the link. I don't know what to say other than I
> know my birds, I watch their daily activity a lot, and when they *start*
> to show signs of illness, I've used the OTC products with good success.
> If they didn't work, I'd take the bird to the vet.
>
> >--Jerry
> >(doing his best impression of Toucanldy,
> >one of the foremost voices of reason in
> >this newsgroup)
> >;?)
>
> Yes, she is a wonderful voice, even if it speaks out against me at
> times. :)
Please don't thank me, Ravl. Those who are familiar with my posting style
know that I can either be subtle -- albeit in a civilized way --, but I can
also be quite harsh.
Your insistance of being right about certain things is not unlike some of
the problem-posters we've had from time to time. I hesitate to use the term
"troll" because of the connotation that goes with it. However, you said it
yourself, "[you] started it" and "[your] motivation was to 'shove some
stuff' at Mamabird." What is the difference between our new "friend" Noah
Sark and yourself if you take relish in anyone's hardship?
If you live the ideal life in Northern Los Angeles County, then all power to
you. The breakup of any close relationship is not the stuff of the soap
operas that you watch. I am sorry that Mamabird has to endure yet another
complication in her life. Be that as it may, I know that she can handle her
own difficulties and it is not my place to speak on her behalf.
One of the points of my posting the link to what appears to be a well
thought out article was to demonstrate that those who insist on viewing the
world with tunnel vision are forever hesitant to accept that there are other
truths. In your world you might be lucky enough to get by with OTC
medications for your birds. There's always a little bit of "placebo effect"
when an animal is feeling under the weather and gets that much more
attention from its caretaker. Of course, they get better. They thrive on the
attention and the extra care. In many instances, they would have gotten
better eventually.
Your insistance of being "right" rather than considering the alternatives is
sad. I trust in the future you -- or at least someone else faced with a
similar situation that Bruce's caretaker faced -- will consider some of the
caveats in the article I posted, that giving OTC medications can do more
harm than good. Rather than repost the link, I offer the relevant text:
"Antibiotics: Over the counter antibiotics are available at most pet stores
for fish and birds. These (with a couple of lesser known exceptions) are
also not approved by the FDA and are manufactured to unknown standards of
quality. Most are intended for use in the drinking water and can include the
tetracyclines and erythromycin. There are many reasons why treating your pet
bird with these products may be detrimental. Following are just a few: 1] If
a bird is sick, it usually does not drink much water. So, putting drugs in
the drinking water does not really assure that the bird is taking in an
adequate quantity of the drug to obtain a therapeutic effect 2] Some
antibiotics placed in drinking water break down very quickly and ,become
less effective. In addition, many birds object to the bitter taste and will
not drink treated water at all, which could lead to dehydration and further
debilitation. 3] The antibiotics commonly sold in pet stores are not
effective against many of the common bacterial infections in pet birds. 4]
Even at low levels, these antibiotics can kill normal bacteria living in the
bird's gastrointestinal tract, thus further weakening it and making it
susceptible to other bacteria, yeast or fungus infections, etc. 5] If you
use these products first and THEN seek a veterinarian's help, it can be
harder to diagnose the disease, as even low level antibiotics can affect
diagnostic tests, such as cultures. In addition, you have wasted valuable
time. 6] Indiscriminate use of low level antibiotics can contribute to
development of resistant bacterial strains and "super infections" that are
difficult to treat. This is well recognized in other species, including man.
The rationale behind using over the-counter antibiotics in general does not
stand up to scientific scrutiny and points to their being more detrimental
than helpful."
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| Mamabird |
> > [lots of snipping]
> > jberger@sprynet.com (jberger) wrote:
> > >http://www.realmacaw.com/pages/overcount.html
WONDERFUL article!
> If you live the ideal life in Northern Los Angeles County, then all power
to
> you. The breakup of any close relationship is not the stuff of the soap
> operas that you watch. I am sorry that Mamabird has to endure yet another
> complication in her life. Be that as it may, I know that she can handle
her
> own difficulties and it is not my place to speak on her behalf.
Thank you, Jerry. That's very kind of you, especially after I ... well, you
know.
--
Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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| Laurie |
"Swimmer Ducks" <swimmerducks@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why is it so hard to understand that Bruce improved before he died?
Because...he died! Why is it so hard for you to understand that if he was
improving, he wouldn't have died!
> His condition improved the first day I found him and continued to
> improve. The way I remember it, ravelation was one of the first to
> answer my call for help and some others (present company included)
> were trying to be helpful in a strange, obstructive, missing the point
> kind of way.
unravled was the first and only one to recommend OTC treatment. Apparently,
that didn't didn't work out very well, now did it?
> If you are ever in the terrible position of having to watch an animal
> "improve to death", I hope you will be treated much better than I have
> been treated here by you and some others.
>
> SD
If you would have gotten that bird to a vet early enough, you may not have
had to watch him die. That's the sad part. It's only money SD...there's
always a way to get some and they always make more. It should not have
stopped you, and that bird may not have had to suffer.
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"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:nTc2b.2112$Jh2.560@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:bib90r$7cuuf$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > .Mind you I do spray with
> > > F10 afterwards as that kills most bacteria, and lots of virii and
loads
> of
> > > other nasties too. Wonderful stuff. Even kills pbfd virii.
> >
> > What is F10? Where can I get it???
> >
> >
> It was formulated in south africa specifically to use on poultry farms.
It
> can be sprayed on, used in a mister, you can soak seed in it, it doesn't
> smell, nor taste, it kills an amazing amount of nasty things. There is a
> company over here which is the UK distributor.
> Found this info on it.
> http://www.healthandhygiene.net/pro...sp?ContentId=68
Ooh...this looks like some 'killer' stuff. I will have to see if there's
something like this locally, thanks OM.
L
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| ravelation |
jberger@sprynet.com (jberger) wrote:
>Please don't thank me, Ravl.
Ok. No thank you for you!
>Those who are familiar with my posting
>style know that I can either be subtle --
>albeit in a civilized way --, but I can also
>be quite harsh.
I know that. I read.
>Your insistance of being right about
>certain things
I don't insist on anything. I offer another point of view, an opinion,
is all.
Ravl
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| Starlight |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT), ravelation@webtv.net
(ravelation) wrote:
>
>Yes, I have had a sick bird. It was cured through OTC antibiotics. When
>you get the runs, do you go to the store and buy Imodium or Kaopectate,
>or do you rush to the doctor to see what's wrong?
Human beings have much more reserve than small birds. If you have a
mild case of diarhhea, you can self-medicate. However, there are
times when taking OTC drugs like those are contraindicated and can
cause more harm than good. Any person who self-medicates when he's
extremely ill (as Bruce was) is a fool.
The statement that convinced me that Bruce was not getting better was
"His whining is getting difficult to take." That poor, innocent
bird died a horrible death, and simply prolonging his misery with
ineffective OTC medications was inhumane and ignorant.
Becky
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In <bict9a$7v6t8$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de>
oldmolly <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Marco & Chuck" <chazmar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>> Oh yeah, and before I forget... Go **** Yourself!
>>
> Hmm :0) Is this physically possible? And if so, is there a webpage
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