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| craig |
Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her mind but
making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants to be
out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my house
that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she will do
anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and chews and
whines.
If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching sound
while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to ignore her,
she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do all
parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that is
never talked about in the pet store.
I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet and it
is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think that
she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she could have
enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into thinking
that a human in her mate.
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| oldmolly |
"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her mind
but
> making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
> hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
> absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants to
be
> out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my
house
> that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she will
do
> anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and chews
and
> whines.
>
> If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching sound
> while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to ignore
her,
> she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
>
> I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do all
> parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that is
> never talked about in the pet store.
>
> I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet and
it
> is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think
that
> she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she could
have
> enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into
thinking
> that a human in her mate.
>
>
I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might find
helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets at
least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet. This
should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to be
breeding at all. Good luck.
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "oldmolly" oldmolly@ntlworld.com
>"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:HWw1b.286113$BA.64156786@twister.columbus.rr.com...
>> Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her mind
>but
>> making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
>> hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
>> absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants to
>be
>> out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my
>house
>> that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she will
>do
>> anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and chews
>and
>> whines.
>>
>> If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching sound
>> while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to ignore
>her,
>> she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
>>
>> I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do all
>> parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that is
>> never talked about in the pet store.
>>
>> I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet and
>it
>> is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think
>that
>> she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she could
>have
>> enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into
>thinking
>> that a human in her mate.
>>
>>
> I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
>well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might find
>helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets at
>least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet. This
>should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to be
>breeding at all. Good luck.
I just wanted to comment here. I know that it is often recommended to reduce
the daylight hours, to help birds get OUT
of the breeding mode, but this never made sense to me because, keeping birds in
small dark places is more like a nest box, which, to me, would put them INTO
the breeding mode.
Moving, distracting, and keeping them occupied, and out of their cage, makes
more sense to me.
Just my opinion.
Regards
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| Owly |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:HWw1b.286113$BA.64156786@twister.columbus.rr.com...
> > Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her mind
> but
> > making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
> > hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
> > absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants to
> be
> > out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my
> house
> > that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she will
> do
> > anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and chews
> and
> > whines.
> >
> > If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching
sound
> > while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to ignore
> her,
> > she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
> >
> > I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do
all
> > parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that is
> > never talked about in the pet store.
> >
> > I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet and
> it
> > is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think
> that
> > she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she could
> have
> > enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into
> thinking
> > that a human in her mate.
> >
> >
> I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
> well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might
find
> helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets
at
> least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet. This
> should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to
be
> breeding at all. Good luck.
Being that she's a pionus, my first thought is that she's getting too much
protein in her diet. Dietary protein levels should be kept well down in the
single digits. For a hen, 5% or thereabouts is preferable. Look at what
she's eating, if it isn't mostly vegetables, fruits, and some grain with
some seeds and very few pellets if any, then this could be the major
contributing factor.
--
owly
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| John Hines |
toucanldy@aol.com (Toucanldy) wrote:
>
>>From: "oldmolly" oldmolly@ntlworld.com
>
>>"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
>>news:HWw1b.286113$BA.64156786@twister.columbus.rr.com...
>>> Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her mind
>>but
>>> making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
>>> hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
>>> absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants to
>>be
>>> out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my
>>house
>>> that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she will
>>do
>>> anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and chews
>>and
>>> whines.
>>>
>>> If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching sound
>>> while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to ignore
>>her,
>>> she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
>>>
>>> I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do all
>>> parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that is
>>> never talked about in the pet store.
>>>
>>> I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet and
>>it
>>> is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think
>>that
>>> she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she could
>>have
>>> enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into
>>thinking
>>> that a human in her mate.
>>>
>>>
>> I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
>>well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might find
>>helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets at
>>least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet. This
>>should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to be
>>breeding at all. Good luck.
>
>I just wanted to comment here. I know that it is often recommended to reduce
>the daylight hours, to help birds get OUT
>of the breeding mode, but this never made sense to me because, keeping birds in
>small dark places is more like a nest box, which, to me, would put them INTO
>the breeding mode.
>Moving, distracting, and keeping them occupied, and out of their cage, makes
>more sense to me.
Naturally, birds are driven by the length of the day, in the wild longer
days mean spring time, even in the upside down (southern hemisphere)
part of the world, which drives the urge to breed, since summer is the
best time to raise young.
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| craig |
For the most part her diet is constant all year: seeds, veggies, fruits,
and a little of whatever I am having.
"Owly" <owly@email.com> wrote in message
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>
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:bi880j$6k1b5$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:HWw1b.286113$BA.64156786@twister.columbus.rr.com...
> > > Ahhhhhhhhhhh....... my 7-yr old white cap pionus has nothing on her
mind
> > but
> > > making little pionuses and its driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > She is a great pet most of the time, but during these times when the
> > > hormones kick in, it becomes almost unbearable to live with her. She
> > > absolutely won't stay in her cage or on my shoulder because she wants
to
> > be
> > > out looking around for a nesting site. She has three sites within my
> > house
> > > that she seems to have identified as possible nesting sites and she
will
> > do
> > > anything to get to one of them. Once she gets there, she digs and
chews
> > and
> > > whines.
> > >
> > > If she doesn't get her way, she makes the most annoying schreeching
> sound
> > > while rubbing her vent on the nearest object. Even if I were to
ignore
> > her,
> > > she will do this FOR HOURS!!!
> > >
> > > I work at home, so this behavior is really hurting my efficiency. Do
> all
> > > parrots display such strong sexual behavior? This is something that
is
> > > never talked about in the pet store.
> > >
> > > I really feel bad for her because she has needs that are going unmet
and
> > it
> > > is probably very confusing to her. This is beginning to make me think
> > that
> > > she would be much happier had she been left in the wild where she
could
> > have
> > > enjoyed raising some chicks rather than having been "tricked" into
> > thinking
> > > that a human in her mate.
> > >
> > >
> > I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
> > well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might
> find
> > helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets
> at
> > least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet.
This
> > should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to
> be
> > breeding at all. Good luck.
>
> Being that she's a pionus, my first thought is that she's getting too much
> protein in her diet. Dietary protein levels should be kept well down in
the
> single digits. For a hen, 5% or thereabouts is preferable. Look at what
> she's eating, if it isn't mostly vegetables, fruits, and some grain with
> some seeds and very few pellets if any, then this could be the major
> contributing factor.
> --
> owly
> http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com
> ...over 2 dozen sprouting links (click on Sprouting Links)
> ...this month's special (click on Specials)
> ...avian nutrition ideas and links (click on Nutrition)
> => NEW AVIAN AUCTIONS at http://www.scritches.com - WOW! <=
> => NEW LIST at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seedjunkies <=
>
>
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| oldmolly |
"Toucanldy" <toucanldy@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> > I suggest you look on amazon and buy some books on behaviour.Guide to a
> >well behaved parrot is one, 'my parrot my friend' is another you might
find
> >helpful. Otherwise, start reducing her daylight hours and esure she gets
at
> >least 12 hours of darkness, and also reduce the richness of her diet.
This
> >should fool her body into thinking that it is wintertime and not time to
be
> >breeding at all. Good luck.
>
> I just wanted to comment here. I know that it is often recommended to
reduce
> the daylight hours, to help birds get OUT
> of the breeding mode, but this never made sense to me because, keeping
birds in
> small dark places is more like a nest box, which, to me, would put them
INTO
> the breeding mode.
> Moving, distracting, and keeping them occupied, and out of their cage,
makes
> more sense to me.
> Just my opinion.
>
The idea is that one shortens the length of photoperiod. Not necessarily
place them in a dark place. Allow them into full daylight by all meas, but
make the actual daylight hours short like in winter time. But with this
regime ought to come a slight reduction in the quality of food. Not
starvation rations by any means, merely to try to fool the body into
thinking that peak breeding season has gone, and wintertime and a cessation
of breeding is happening.
My aviary tiels have plenty to keep them occupied. A bright spacious aviary,
looking out over trees, and the dogs playing in front of the aviary block. I
removed all the nestboxes as I don't want to breed tiels this year, but
still they lay. One little hen has turfed out the poor netherland dwarf
rabbit and her cavie companion, from their sleeping box on the floor of the
aviary, and is sitting on eggs as we speak. Little does she know that they
won't hatch cos I boiled them :0)Come winter, they will normally and
naturally stop breeding as the days g et shorter.
This is the theory anyway, and it has worked for me in the past. It is the
accepted method of bringing a bird out of breeding mode so I guess I thought
it might be useful advice for the poster.
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| oldmolly |
"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
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> For the most part her diet is constant all year: seeds, veggies, fruits,
> and a little of whatever I am having.
>
It might be an idea to do a summer/winter diet. I do with my birds and have
found it helpful as does my breeder friend , to bring birds into breeding
condition in spring. This time of year, we start to reduce the amount of
fruit and rich foods in the diet. I know how hard it is with one house pet
though.
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| Owly |
Sounds good and not protein-laden...we've had discussions on the pionus list
also about hot spots for pi's, where touching them will be stimulating...if
you're on that list you might want to check through the archives for that
whole discussion? This topic does come up every now and then and we're
blessed with the greatest pi aviculturists and research available out there
on that list. I haven't paid much attention to this particular subject but
know that the diet and how they are touched are 2 of the biggest
contributors according to those pi folks.
I'm NOT a breeder of pi's (have a single pair and leave it all up to them
<G>) but also the folks on the list seem to have pi's that breed year-round
under the right conditions; heck, mine want to breed all year also, I take
down the box and they're getting under their newspaper at the bottom of
their cage. They don't appear to be as photo-sensitive as, say, cockatiels.
Some pairs just want to go at it all the time and don't seem to care as much
for environmental factors...just a couple of other quick thoughts to toss
out here: she sees you as her mate, and has established a pair bond (as
opposed to a flock bond) with you; it's not hormones at all but rather a
learned behavior? Just a couple of random thoughts...
--
owly
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"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
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> For the most part her diet is constant all year: seeds, veggies, fruits,
> and a little of whatever I am having.
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "Owly" owly@email.com
>Sounds good and not protein-laden...we've had discussions on the pionus list
>also about hot spots for pi's, where touching them will be stimulating...if
>you're on that list you might want to check through the archives for that
>whole discussion? This topic does come up every now and then and we're
>blessed with the greatest pi aviculturists and research available out there
>on that list. I haven't paid much attention to this particular subject but
>know that the diet and how they are touched are 2 of the biggest
>contributors according to those pi folks.
>
>I'm NOT a breeder of pi's (have a single pair and leave it all up to them
><G>) but also the folks on the list seem to have pi's that breed year-round
>under the right conditions; heck, mine want to breed all year also, I take
>down the box and they're getting under their newspaper at the bottom of
>their cage. They don't appear to be as photo-sensitive as, say, cockatiels.
>Some pairs just want to go at it all the time and don't seem to care as much
>for environmental factors...just a couple of other quick thoughts to toss
>out here: she sees you as her mate, and has established a pair bond (as
>opposed to a flock bond) with you; it's not hormones at all but rather a
>learned behavior? Just a couple of random thoughts...
>--
>owly
I will also offer a random thought. A physical problem, such as a tumor, or an
enlarged liver, can put pressure on the organs, causing breeding behavior.
Regards
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| craig |
Are attachments allowed in this newsgroup? I have tried to post a small (30
kb) attachment of a recording I made of my pionus whining but my posts never
show up.
"Owly" <owly@email.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds good and not protein-laden...we've had discussions on the pionus
list
> also about hot spots for pi's, where touching them will be
stimulating...if
> you're on that list you might want to check through the archives for that
> whole discussion? This topic does come up every now and then and we're
> blessed with the greatest pi aviculturists and research available out
there
> on that list. I haven't paid much attention to this particular subject
but
> know that the diet and how they are touched are 2 of the biggest
> contributors according to those pi folks.
>
> I'm NOT a breeder of pi's (have a single pair and leave it all up to them
> <G>) but also the folks on the list seem to have pi's that breed
year-round
> under the right conditions; heck, mine want to breed all year also, I take
> down the box and they're getting under their newspaper at the bottom of
> their cage. They don't appear to be as photo-sensitive as, say,
cockatiels.
> Some pairs just want to go at it all the time and don't seem to care as
much
> for environmental factors...just a couple of other quick thoughts to toss
> out here: she sees you as her mate, and has established a pair bond (as
> opposed to a flock bond) with you; it's not hormones at all but rather a
> learned behavior? Just a couple of random thoughts...
> --
> owly
> http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com
> ...over 2 dozen sprouting links (click on Sprouting Links)
> ...this month's special (click on Specials)
> ...avian nutrition ideas and links (click on Nutrition)
> => NEW AVIAN AUCTIONS at http://www.scritches.com - WOW! <=
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> "craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:y_82b.287893$BA.64609430@twister.columbus.rr.com...
> > For the most part her diet is constant all year: seeds, veggies,
fruits,
> > and a little of whatever I am having.
>
>
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| Michele Maynard |
Craig, most of the servers block attachments on the non-binary groups such
as this one.
"craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Are attachments allowed in this newsgroup? I have tried to post a small
(30
> kb) attachment of a recording I made of my pionus whining but my posts
never
> show up.
>
> "Owly" <owly@email.com> wrote in message
> news:GgI2b.201908$It4.95901@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> > Sounds good and not protein-laden...we've had discussions on the pionus
> list
> > also about hot spots for pi's, where touching them will be
> stimulating...if
> > you're on that list you might want to check through the archives for
that
> > whole discussion? This topic does come up every now and then and we're
> > blessed with the greatest pi aviculturists and research available out
> there
> > on that list. I haven't paid much attention to this particular subject
> but
> > know that the diet and how they are touched are 2 of the biggest
> > contributors according to those pi folks.
> >
> > I'm NOT a breeder of pi's (have a single pair and leave it all up to
them
> > <G>) but also the folks on the list seem to have pi's that breed
> year-round
> > under the right conditions; heck, mine want to breed all year also, I
take
> > down the box and they're getting under their newspaper at the bottom of
> > their cage. They don't appear to be as photo-sensitive as, say,
> cockatiels.
> > Some pairs just want to go at it all the time and don't seem to care as
> much
> > for environmental factors...just a couple of other quick thoughts to
toss
> > out here: she sees you as her mate, and has established a pair bond (as
> > opposed to a flock bond) with you; it's not hormones at all but rather a
> > learned behavior? Just a couple of random thoughts...
> > --
> > owly
> > http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com
> > ...over 2 dozen sprouting links (click on Sprouting Links)
> > ...this month's special (click on Specials)
> > ...avian nutrition ideas and links (click on Nutrition)
> > => NEW AVIAN AUCTIONS at http://www.scritches.com - WOW! <=
> > => NEW LIST at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seedjunkies <=
> >
> >
> > "craig" <e@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:y_82b.287893$BA.64609430@twister.columbus.rr.com...
> > > For the most part her diet is constant all year: seeds, veggies,
> fruits,
> > > and a little of whatever I am having.
> >
> >
>
>
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| High Flight |
craig <e@mail.com> says...
> Are attachments allowed in this newsgroup? I have tried to post a small (30
> kb) attachment of a recording I made of my pionus whining but my posts never
> show up.
That's *GOOD*, as this isn't a binary group.
Jack
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aka Keet Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/
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