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| Dean Rheault |
Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds and
cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
Thanks!!!
Dean
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| Rick |
"Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds and
> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>
> Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Dean
It's impossible to give good advice without knowing the disposition
of your cats. A few won't go after and eat birds, the majority will.
Chances are pretty good it would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Rick
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| Liquid Memory |
"Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
and
> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>
> Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Dean
>
>
Dean, birds and cats can co-exist. I have alot of friends who have cats and
birds and they have no problems. Unless you allow your cats to go outside.
This can cause big problems, cause once a cat starts hunting, they will not
stop. If your cats are always indoors, then you will just have to tell them
that the bird is off limits. Most cats will check out a new bird, get bit
on the nose and run into the corner and will never ever go around the bird
again. My friend just purchased a senegal parrot that was still weaning.
She was feeding it and the senegal fluttered to the floor. One of her cats
went up to investigate what had happened and got bit on the nose. Now the
bird at 20 weeks old chases the cats around the house. She has to stop her
cause she will terrorize the cats to no end.
Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to kill
your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats go
outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and cats.
Tony
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| Paulo |
You dont see a problem keeping cats (3) with a tiel???
Very weird advice!
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Paulo
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> > male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
him(rather
> > than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> > currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
> and
> > cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
> >
> > Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
>
> Dean, birds and cats can co-exist. I have alot of friends who have cats
and
> birds and they have no problems. Unless you allow your cats to go
outside.
> This can cause big problems, cause once a cat starts hunting, they will
not
> stop. If your cats are always indoors, then you will just have to tell
them
> that the bird is off limits. Most cats will check out a new bird, get bit
> on the nose and run into the corner and will never ever go around the bird
> again. My friend just purchased a senegal parrot that was still weaning.
> She was feeding it and the senegal fluttered to the floor. One of her
cats
> went up to investigate what had happened and got bit on the nose. Now the
> bird at 20 weeks old chases the cats around the house. She has to stop
her
> cause she will terrorize the cats to no end.
>
> Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to
kill
> your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats
go
> outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and cats.
>
> Tony
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>
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| NaDeana |
I have 2 cats and 2 dogs, with 9 tiels and a parrotlet. No problems here!
Most all the bird people I know have at least ONE cat in the household.
"Paulo" <noemail@sorry.com> wrote in message
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> You dont see a problem keeping cats (3) with a tiel???
> Very weird advice!
>
> --
> Paulo
> "Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:wIV%a.737$a9.28@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > > Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a
single
> > > male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
> him(rather
> > > than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> > > currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have
birds
> > and
> > > cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
> > >
> > > Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
> > >
> > > Thanks!!!
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dean, birds and cats can co-exist. I have alot of friends who have cats
> and
> > birds and they have no problems. Unless you allow your cats to go
> outside.
> > This can cause big problems, cause once a cat starts hunting, they will
> not
> > stop. If your cats are always indoors, then you will just have to tell
> them
> > that the bird is off limits. Most cats will check out a new bird, get
bit
> > on the nose and run into the corner and will never ever go around the
bird
> > again. My friend just purchased a senegal parrot that was still
weaning.
> > She was feeding it and the senegal fluttered to the floor. One of her
> cats
> > went up to investigate what had happened and got bit on the nose. Now
the
> > bird at 20 weeks old chases the cats around the house. She has to stop
> her
> > cause she will terrorize the cats to no end.
> >
> > Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to
> kill
> > your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats
> go
> > outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and
cats.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
>
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:43:59 GMT, "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
>male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
>than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
>currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds and
>cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
It depends what your cats are like. If you get the bird you are asking
your cats to deny their natural instincts. Few cats have no interest in
hunting nice fluttery objects.
Bex
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| Loren Coe |
In article <eoY%a.762560$3C2.17515921@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>, NaDeana wrote:
> I have 2 cats and 2 dogs, with 9 tiels and a parrotlet. No problems here!
> Most all the bird people I know have at least ONE cat in the household.
>
the 'outside' behaviour is interesting, never thought of it before
now. we baby sat a bird for two weeks. on the 10th day our indoor-
outdoor Siamese (great mouser) took down the entire cage and stand
and decapatated the bird. we were in town for a couple of hours,
and that was not the first time the cat had been left alone in
the house. ymmv, --Loren
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> "Paulo" <noemail@sorry.com> wrote in message
> news:19W%a.2529$Ki3.351272@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> You dont see a problem keeping cats (3) with a tiel???
>> Very weird advice!
>>
>> --
>> Paulo
>> "Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:wIV%a.737$a9.28@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
>> > "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
>> > > Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a
> single
>> > > male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
>> him(rather
>> > > than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
>> > > currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have
> birds
>> > and
>> > > cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>> > >
>> > > Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!!!
>> > >
>> > > Dean
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Dean, birds and cats can co-exist. I have alot of friends who have cats
>> and
>> > birds and they have no problems. Unless you allow your cats to go
>> outside.
>> > This can cause big problems, cause once a cat starts hunting, they will
>> not
>> > stop. If your cats are always indoors, then you will just have to tell
>> them
>> > that the bird is off limits. Most cats will check out a new bird, get
> bit
>> > on the nose and run into the corner and will never ever go around the
> bird
>> > again. My friend just purchased a senegal parrot that was still
> weaning.
>> > She was feeding it and the senegal fluttered to the floor. One of her
>> cats
>> > went up to investigate what had happened and got bit on the nose. Now
> the
>> > bird at 20 weeks old chases the cats around the house. She has to stop
>> her
>> > cause she will terrorize the cats to no end.
>> >
>> > Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to
>> kill
>> > your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats
>> go
>> > outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and
> cats.
>> >
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Michael-Ann |
> Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to
kill
> your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats
go
> outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and cats.
Tony, I don't think keeping a clean litter box and not letting your cat
outside would be an insurance marker for not worrying about a cat and a bird
sharing a domicile... A quick search of the net gives lots of info about
Pasteurella bacteria. Most references mention the bacteria being "common"
or "naturally found" in the saliva of a cat. Some of the info I found is
posted below with the links.
Best wishes,
Mikie
Exotic Pet Vet:
http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/topten.html
Any animal bite should be considered extremely serious, possibly
life-threatening. The bacteria found in the saliva and the mouth of a mammal
can cause fatal septicemia (infection in the bloodstream) of a bird in very
short order. Cat bites should be considered the most dangerous, as the
Pasteurella bacteria commonly found in the feline mouth, are extremely
hazardous to birds. Even a simple puncture by a tooth can result in a fatal
infection. Scratches from claws are also extremely dangerous, as the risk of
infection is very real.
About Pasteurella bacteria:
http://www.vetmed.lsu.edu/animal_bites.htm
Pasteurellosis.
The most common bite-associated infection is caused by a bacterium called
Pasteurella. Most cats and dogs - even healthy ones - naturally carry this
organism in their mouths. When an animal bites a person (or another animal),
these bacteria can enter the wound and start an infection. The first signs
of pasteurellosis usually occur within 2 to 12 hours of the bite and include
pain, reddening, and swelling of the area around the site of the bite.
Pasteurellosis can progress quickly, spreading toward the body from the
bitten area. It is important that you seek medical care immediately if these
symptoms occur...
More on Cat Bites:
http://www.cockatiels.org/articles/vet/vettips.html
Cats have a bacteria (Pasteurella spp.) in their mouth that is fatal to
birds. This bacteria is injected deep into the bird tissues during a bit,
where it multiplies rapidly. Affected birds are puffed up (cold) and
inactive. Death usually follows in 24 to 48 hours after the bite. Even birds
that have no visible bleeding will often have bite and claw wounds under the
feathers. The cat's claws may also be contaminated with Pasteurella, so just
a scratch can cause illness and death.
If you have a cat, keep it away from your birds. If a cat tangles with your
bird, whether it is a Finch or a Macaw, seek help immediately. Prompt
treatment (within 12 to at the most 24 hours) by your avian veterinarian is
usually effective.
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| Alex Clayton |
"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:43:59 GMT, "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> >male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
him(rather
> >than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> >currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
and
> >cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>
> It depends what your cats are like. If you get the bird you are asking
> your cats to deny their natural instincts. Few cats have no interest in
> hunting nice fluttery objects.
>
> Bex
>
Sigh, here we go again:
Cats. Dogs and birds, can and do live together.
Leave it to Tony to come up with some good bull **** to toss into the mix.
Letting your cats outside is more dangerous for them (the cat) but it has
nothing to do with the birds. The bacteria that cats and dogs have in their
saliva has nothing to do with their litter box, they have it no matter.
Now as to whether you can do this or not depends a lot on whether your
willing to invest some time at it. Some cats are easy to train, some take
more work, same with Dogs. Of ours the hardest was one of the cats. She took
some serious convincing. That was years ago, and the training has never had
to be repeated. The cats spend more time outside than inside, by their
choice, when the weather is nice. When it gets cold, they start spending a
lot more time in the house. They will both occasionally go after outside
birds, but they know the inside birds are off limits. If they are on the
floor, and one flies down, they (the cats) move.
Now obviously while you are making sure your cats are trained, you would
need to make damn sure the cat can't get at the bird, especially while you
are not home. Easy enough to do for anyone with some common sense.
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"Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:53:36 -0700, "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:sq51kvcvse8s6hvvi5qbevmn1hl5j8lus1@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:43:59 GMT, "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
>> >male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
>him(rather
>> >than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
>> >currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
>and
>> >cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>>
>> It depends what your cats are like. If you get the bird you are asking
>> your cats to deny their natural instincts. Few cats have no interest in
>> hunting nice fluttery objects.
>>
>> Bex
>>
>Sigh, here we go again:
> Cats. Dogs and birds, can and do live together.
I wasn't saying they didn't, I was saying that it is instinct for a cat to
hunt things like birds and rodents, and you can't really be sure that the
cat you have, though normally well behaved, wont have a sudden rush of
instinct and try to kill a bird. I always think that pets aren't as
predictable as we think. My sister had a very soppy Alsatian (sp?) that
wouldn't hurt a fly, then one day, whilst walking in her usual place she
chased a sheep and pulled it down by it's throat...out of the blue.
Bex
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Dean Rheault <yankee49@shaw.ca> says...
> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds and
> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>
> Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
Forget about the bird and be happy with your three cats.
Jack
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| Wheeler |
Like it or not, trained or not, a preditor animal will revert out of the
blue when you least expect it. If you keep prey animals as pets and
preditors as well you either watch really close 24/7 or you lose prey
animals kept as pets, eventually. We do keep a dog, he is either outside or
kenneled if the birds are out, period. Cats, well don't get me going on
cats, just keep YOUR cats at home and we will all be happy!
Bob Wheeler
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| Mamabird |
"Liquid Memory" <liqbbs@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:wIV%a.737$a9.28@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a
single
> > male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
him(rather
> > than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> > currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have
birds
> and
> > cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
> >
> > Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
>
> Dean, birds and cats can co-exist. I have alot of friends who have cats
and
> birds and they have no problems.
Yes, it is possible. Some people have birds and cats with no problems at
all, but it's still wise to never leave cats alone, unsupervised, with
birds, ESPECIALLY when the cats have never been around pet birds before!
To a cat, a bird is a bird... something to catch and eat. They can't
rationalize that it's somebody's pet and therefore 'off limits.'
Utmost caution is called for until such time as the cats and bird get used
to each other and the cats prove trustworthy. This could take a long time.
It's cruel to allow cats to terrorize birds. If the bird has never been
around cats they will be terrified by suddenly having one in their
environment. The bird will already be stressed out by being in a new home
with new people to get used to, let alone cats lurking about.
> Unless you allow your cats to go outside.
> This can cause big problems, cause once a cat starts hunting, they will
not
> stop.
This is pure BS! (and you wonder why people call you a moron?)
Cats are BORN with hunting instincts. It's their nature to hunt, not a
learned behavior. Keeping them indoors forever won't change that fact.
I've had cats in the past that were strictly indoor cats. On more than one
occasion I've seen those cats chase down mice that managed to slip into the
house . BECAUSE CATS ARE BORN HUNTERS!!!!!!!
Haven't you ever watched a kitten play? They (by instinct) chase and try to
catch anything that moves. Drag a string across the floor and watch them go
after it. Notice their claws are out when they're chasing and trying to
catch things, which means they're in 'hunting mode.' They need those claws
to catch prey. They're honing their predatory skills even though to us it
looks like they're just playing. Cats HUNT from the moment they're old
enough to, even if they never go outdoors.
> If your cats are always indoors, then you will just have to tell them
> that the bird is off limits.
Right! Try to "tell" a cat ANYTHING! Get real.
> Most cats will check out a new bird, get bit
> on the nose and run into the corner and will never ever go around the
bird
> again.
"Most" birds will bite "most" cats? You know this for a fact, huh? End of
story according to you. Kitty will go away and birdie will live a long,
safe and happy life. Well, at least until an opportunity presents itself
when kitty and birdie are all alone and kitty is still pissed off that
birdie bit him....
Guess what happens next.
> My friend just purchased a senegal parrot that was still weaning.
> She was feeding it and the senegal fluttered to the floor. One of her
cats
> went up to investigate what had happened and got bit on the nose. Now
the
> bird at 20 weeks old chases the cats around the house. She has to stop
her
> cause she will terrorize the cats to no end.
So based on ONE story you're willing to assure all bird owners that, once
bitten, the cat will ALWAYS run from the bird? Very dangerous, Tony. It
could have just as easily gone the other way and your friend would have
only herself to blame for the loss of her bird.
You can't lump all cats into one category. They all have varied
personalities just like any other animal.
It's MUCH more likely a cat will bite a bird than the other way around. Sad
to say that one of these days that cat might get tired of being chased by a
bird and watch what happens when that innate predatory urge kicks in.
Can you say bye-bye birdie?
> Some people will tell you that it only takes one scratch from a cat to
kill
> your bird. But if you keep a clean litter box, and do not let your cats
go
> outside, In my opinion, I see no problem with having a cockatiel and
cats.
Another false and dangerous statement! Other posters have already addressed
this with excellent information proving you are once again WRONG.
When I was a kid, my sister and I begged our parents to get us a parakeet
(budgie). Finally our parents agreed and we all went to a breeder to pick
out our new pet. I remember it was a huge room with dozens of birds, and
sis and I were sooooo excited as we went cage to cage.
Suddenly we noticed there was a cat following us around. We told the lady
who ran the shop, but she said it was just her old Tom cat; he spent all
his time in the shop and wasn't a threat because he'd lived around the
birds for many years.
He'd never bothered any of the birds, she said.
The cat wandered off out of sight, we went back to looking at the birds and
eventually picked one out. The lady got him out of the cage and was
preparing to clip his wings when he managed to escape and landed on the
floor about 6 feet in front of us.
Need I say what happened next? Yep, old Tom came out of nowhere, pounced,
and ate that little bird right in front of us.
It was horrifying. We didn't get a bird that day because we were so upset
(we did get one later at a different shop). My sister and I cried all the
way home. We both had nightmares for weeks.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
Moral: Never trust a cat around a bird no matter how well you think you
know it.
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Mama
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If you do decide to get the bird, one thing that I have not heard anyone
say.
Some cages seperate the base from the bars rather easily. Wire them
together. Also get snap clips of some sort to keep all of the doors where
you get the bird out, or food in, from coming open, when the cage gets
tipped over on the floor.
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:06:49 -0400, "Morgans" <doitonyhegroup@evryone.net>
wrote:
>If you do decide to get the bird, one thing that I have not heard anyone
>say.
>
>Some cages seperate the base from the bars rather easily. Wire them
>together. Also get snap clips of some sort to keep all of the doors where
>you get the bird out, or food in, from coming open, when the cage gets
>tipped over on the floor.
but why needlessly put a bird in a position where they get such a fright?
Don't small birds die of fear?
Bex
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"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote>
> but why needlessly put a bird in a position where they get such a fright?
> Don't small birds die of fear?
>
> Bex
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I put that out there because people in the end, do what they want to do;
these actions give the bird one extra chance.
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| High Flight |
Mamabird <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> says...
> Moral: Never trust a cat around a bird no matter how well you think you
> know it.
If you never have a cat, your point is moot.
A good litmus test is this: would you be willing to subject yourself to a
commensurate trauma if the bird gets mauled? Like stepping into a bear
trap? Or chopping off one of your hands at the wrist with a meat cleaver?
Or spending an afternoon inside the lion's den at the local zoo?
I mean, it seems only fair.
Jack
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:43:59 GMT, "Dean Rheault"
<yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote:
><(((*> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
><(((*> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
><(((*> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
><(((*> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds and
><(((*> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
We have lived with cats and birds for several years in a number
of situations, including a two bedroom apartment.
My experience is that it is possible for cats and birds to share
the same household, but that this requires a great deal of
responsibility and watchfullness on the part of the human
members.
It will depend on the personality of the cats and the bird. Most
of our cats haven't been interested in our birds. Our young cat
is *very* interested, but he is also terrified of our cockatoo.
We keep the birds in a room which is kept closed at all times
when there is no human around to supervise. Our cockatoo spends a
lot of time in the family area with us. If he's in his cage, or
if he's out of his cage and sitting in my lap, cats are allowed
to join us.
However, if we leave the cockatoo in the family area without
humans being present, the cat is shut away until the humans
return.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| David G Fisher |
Yes, you can have cats and birds in the same house, but you must be
extremely careful. It's almost impossible that you won't make a mistake and
the bird will eventually be accidentally let out (or escape it's cage) when
the cats are around.
Besides the obvious danger of the cats attacking and killing the bird, cats
carry bacteria in their saliva
http://www.animalnetwork.com/birds/reference/bites.asp
and nails that is lethal to birds called
pasteurella bacterium. The bacterium multiplies rapidly and a bird's death
can occur within as little as 24 hours. If a cat
just scratches the bird throught he cage bars for example, the bird could
die. A vet will
give the bird an
injection
and then it will have to receive oral antibiotics, but the bird needs to
receive them immediately if it has been scratched or bitten and the
pasteurella bacterium has entered their system. As far as I know, the
treatment is usually successful as long as it's given early enough.
Dave
"Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting him(rather
> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
and
> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>
> Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Dean
>
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| Mr. J |
"High Flight" <jac@apk.net> wrote in message
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> Mamabird <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> says...
> > Moral: Never trust a cat around a bird no matter how well you think you
> > know it.
>
> If you never have a cat, your point is moot.
>
> A good litmus test is this: would you be willing to subject yourself to a
> commensurate trauma if the bird gets mauled? Like stepping into a bear
> trap? Or chopping off one of your hands at the wrist with a meat cleaver?
> Or spending an afternoon inside the lion's den at the local zoo?
>
> I mean, it seems only fair.
>
> Jack
>
This from the "man" that loathes analogies.
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*MrJ*
Do something about 'your.attitude'
to reply via e-mail.
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| Alison |
Hi Dean ,
I have one cat and a cockatiel and the cat is very good with the
bird. But I think it would be unfair to keep a cockatiel that is
unused to cats with three of them . They are bound to show a lot of
interest . Also cocktiels like to fly loose and need time out of the
cage . I think it would be kinder to find the bird another home maybe
with another bird for company.
--
Alison
"Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:jjV%a.756740$ro6.15362023@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a
single
> male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
him(rather
> than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds
and
> currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have
birds and
> cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom
apartment.
>
> Any and all info and or advice is welcome....
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Dean
>
>
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| Alison |
"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message >
> I wasn't saying they didn't, I was saying that it is instinct for a
cat to
> hunt things like birds and rodents, and you can't really be sure
that the
> cat you have, though normally well behaved, wont have a sudden rush
of
> instinct and try to kill a bird.
That's true , cats are more cunning than dogs, they bide their time
or maybe they're in a hyped up mood and forget their training .
> I always think that pets aren't as
> predictable as we think. My sister had a very soppy Alsatian (sp?)
that
> wouldn't hurt a fly, then one day, whilst walking in her usual place
she
> chased a sheep and pulled it down by it's throat...out of the blue.
oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
Alison
>
> Bex
> __________________________________________________
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> Pray for that day when your feet could walk on different soil
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| Loren Coe |
In article <1061229218.92184@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:sq51kvcvse8s6hvvi5qbevmn1hl5j8lus1@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:43:59 GMT, "Dean Rheault" <yankee49@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Need some help. A lady in our building passed away and she has a single
>> >male that needs a home. My wife and I are thinking of adopting
> him(rather
>> >than see him given to the local SPCA), but we have never had birds and
>> >currently have three cats. Can they safely co-exist? Anyone have birds
> and
>> >cats together? How do you manage? We live in a two bedroom apartment.
>>
>> It depends what your cats are like. If you get the bird you are asking
>> your cats to deny their natural instincts. Few cats have no interest in
>> hunting nice fluttery objects. >> >> Bex
hasn't anyone here seen pictures or video of cats w/birds? i have,
many times. a 'tiel is fairly timid, tho, it is usually conures
or parrots in these pics. my "Quaker book" shows a couple of photos
of her bird/s w/cats, on cats/dogs. --Loren
>>
> Sigh, here we go again:
> Cats. Dogs and birds, can and do live together.
> Leave it to Tony to come up with some good bull **** to toss into the mix.
> Letting your cats outside is more dangerous for them (the cat) but it has
> nothing to do with the birds. The bacteria that cats and dogs have in their
> saliva has nothing to do with their litter box, they have it no matter.
> Now as to whether you can do this or not depends a lot on whether your
> willing to invest some time at it. Some cats are easy to train, some take
> more work, same with Dogs. Of ours the hardest was one of the cats. She took
> some serious convincing. That was years ago, and the training has never had
> to be repeated. The cats spend more time outside than inside, by their
> choice, when the weather is nice. When it gets cold, they start spending a
> lot more time in the house. They will both occasionally go after outside
> birds, but they know the inside birds are off limits. If they are on the
> floor, and one flies down, they (the cats) move.
> Now obviously while you are making sure your cats are trained, you would
> need to make damn sure the cat can't get at the bird, especially while you
> are not home. Easy enough to do for anyone with some common sense.
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| Alex Clayton |
"Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message >
> oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
> Alison
>
> >
> > Bex
> >
The net is full of great "stories", you can find one to cover anything you
want to believe. Of course if you can't you can always make one more up.
The "it's instinct" argument is the same one people who claim no animals
should be pets use all the time. they say the same things about birds, that
for thousands of years they were wild and they can't be made pets because of
their "instinct".
With all the great "stories" about these "very harmless" dogs that
suddenly kill, the real story is always the same. The owner was, and is a
moron who ignored the warning signs, then when their dog kills, they claim
innocence since it was just "instinct" and they just don't know what
happened. If this had any truth to it, no dog is safe around children. So
ALL dogs should be destroyed since at any time they may revert to "instinct"
and attack a small child. Now if you believe that I have a bridge to sell
you.
As for cats, dogs, birds, if your too lazy, to be bothered with common
sense or training you should not own either.
--
"Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
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| Mamabird |
"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
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>
> hasn't anyone here seen pictures or video of cats w/birds? i have,
> many times. a 'tiel is fairly timid, tho, it is usually conures
> or parrots in these pics. my "Quaker book" shows a couple of photos
> of her bird/s w/cats, on cats/dogs. --Loren
Sure. We've all seen those supposedly cute/funny videos on TV. And I wonder
how many birds have been killed by cats/dogs because viewers with birds
were dumb enough to try it with their own birds. ("Well I saw it on TV and
it was SOOOOO cute the way the cat and the bird snuggled together and ate
from the same dish. I thought Fluffy and Chirpie would do that too.")
I hate those shows because they paint a picture of false security. I think
they should be banned. It's neither cute nor funny to see a bird put in a
dangerous situation for the sake of a good photo op, or for any other
reason.
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Mama
~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
"A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
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Not so true Alex but people with any intelligence will keep a careful eye on
the preditor animals in a home with prey animals period. You my thing the
lion will lay down with the lamb but one day you WILL find lamb chops on the
menu.
It's not rocket science!
Bob Wheeler
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Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bhsmfr$ngr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message >
> > oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
> > Alison
> >
> > >
> > > Bex
> > >
> The net is full of great "stories", you can find one to cover anything you
> want to believe. Of course if you can't you can always make one more up.
> The "it's instinct" argument is the same one people who claim no animals
> should be pets use all the time. they say the same things about birds,
that
> for thousands of years they were wild and they can't be made pets because
of
> their "instinct".
> With all the great "stories" about these "very harmless" dogs that
> suddenly kill, the real story is always the same. The owner was, and is a
> moron who ignored the warning signs, then when their dog kills, they claim
> innocence since it was just "instinct" and they just don't know what
> happened. If this had any truth to it, no dog is safe around children. So
> ALL dogs should be destroyed since at any time they may revert to
"instinct"
> and attack a small child. Now if you believe that I have a bridge to sell
> you.
> As for cats, dogs, birds, if your too lazy, to be bothered with common
> sense or training you should not own either.
> --
> "Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
>
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:17:01 +0100, "Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
>> I always think that pets aren't as
>> predictable as we think. My sister had a very soppy Alsatian (sp?)
>that
>> wouldn't hurt a fly, then one day, whilst walking in her usual place
>she
>> chased a sheep and pulled it down by it's throat...out of the blue.
>
> oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
> Alison
She and my brother in law chased as soon as she started to hunt it and had
to haul the dog off the sheep. The sheep was unmarked and looked ok...I
think she had just pinched it. They stopped around to see if the farmer
was about, and to observe the sheeps health (dog in the car at this
point!). As the animal seemed fine and the farmer wasn't about, they went
home.
They then bought her one of those extendable leads and walked her right on
the beach and away from livestock. They say once a dog gets a taste for
hunting livestock they don't stop, plus farmers can legally (I think) shoot
dogs pestering livestock. My poor sister and brother in law were so upset.
The dog was so soppy and slow and tolerant that they would never had said
she had it in her. That just goes to show that you can never trust an
animal. Look how many young kids get their faces bitten off my the loving
household dog! Animals are animals, no matter how much you think you know
them, all it takes is one off day and then you realise what instincts they
have hidden away behind that benign exterior.
Bex
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"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> Not so true Alex but people with any intelligence will keep a careful eye
on
> the preditor animals in a home with prey animals period. You my thing the
> lion will lay down with the lamb but one day you WILL find lamb chops on
the
> menu.
> It's not rocket science!
>
> Bob Wheeler
>
Yah yah I know. Personal responsibility has long been under attack. No one
is ever responsible for what they do. With Dogs, the owner is not
responsible, because the dog just was "following instinct" when he attacked.
I used a night stick on one who came after a child of mine once. The owner
(moron) said the dog was just following his "instinct" to go after the
child. I told him if it happened again I would follow my "instinct" and not
let the dog do it again.
We see the same thing with children. They "need" drugs, since they just
can't behave in school without them. Of course it has NOTHING to do with the
parents.
They are all just excuses. If anyone really believes these animals can't
be trained then they should be campaigning to have them all destroyed, since
all of them are just killers waiting to go off on some innocent.
Sorry, it's still fertilizer to me. Had Dogs, cats, and birds all my life.
People who "need" an excuse for their children or pets have plenty to choose
from, but they are still just excuses, and they always have plenty of people
who will tell them "it's ok, it was not your fault, the animal has
"instincts" that can't be changed".
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"Mamabird" <iluvbirdz@.directlink.com.> wrote in message
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> "Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:ZWm0b.198847$o%2.91974@sccrnsc02...
> >
> > hasn't anyone here seen pictures or video of cats w/birds? i have,
> > many times. a 'tiel is fairly timid, tho, it is usually conures
> > or parrots in these pics. my "Quaker book" shows a couple of photos
> > of her bird/s w/cats, on cats/dogs. --Loren
>
> Sure. We've all seen those supposedly cute/funny videos on TV. And I
wonder
> how many birds have been killed by cats/dogs because viewers with birds
> were dumb enough to try it with their own birds. ("Well I saw it on TV and
> it was SOOOOO cute the way the cat and the bird snuggled together and ate
> from the same dish. I thought Fluffy and Chirpie would do that too.")
> I hate those shows because they paint a picture of false security. I
think
> they should be banned. It's neither cute nor funny to see a bird put in a
> dangerous situation for the sake of a good photo op, or for any other
> reason.
> --
> Mama
> ~^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: <http://iluvbirds.tripod.com/> And My
> Photo Albums at: <http://photos.yahoo.com/iluvbirdz>
> "A bird's life is so frail, so threatened, that each is a miracle - each
> new hatching an astonishment." Helen Thomson
> ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
>
They used to filter out a lot of that kind of crap. They apparently in a
quest for ratings have started to let more of it through. Like that stupid
show on TV that always has some parent suing when their kids try it at home,
the video shows seem to be trying to get in line to get sued. I saw one the
other day where this kids sister took the pet Tarantula out of it's
container and set it on her brother while he was playing video games. He of
course freaked out and tore his shirt off. Probably killed the spider, but
they of course would not mention that. Now when that leads to someone doing
something like that and getting hurt, of course it will be lawyer time. The
world is full of morons, and there is always a lawyer waiting for them to
hurt themselves.
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"Things get better with age, I’m approaching magnificent"!
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| Loren Coe |
In article <1061305448.597875@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bhsmfr$ngr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message >
>> oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
>> Alison >> >> > >> > Bex
>> >
> The net is full of great "stories", you can find one to cover anything you
> want to believe. Of course if you can't you can always make one more up.
> The "it's instinct" argument is the same one people who claim no animals
> should be pets use all the time. they say the same things about birds, that
> for thousands of years they were wild and they can't be made pets because of
> their "instinct".
> With all the great "stories" about these "very harmless" dogs that
> suddenly kill, the real story is always the same. The owner was, and is a
> moron who ignored the warning signs, then when their dog kills, they claim
> innocence since it was just "instinct" and they just don't know what
> happened. If this had any truth to it, no dog is safe around children. So
> ALL dogs should be destroyed since at any time they may revert to "instinct"
> and attack a small child. Now if you believe that I have a bridge to sell
> you.
> As for cats, dogs, birds, if your too lazy, to be bothered with common
> sense or training you should not own either.
sorta ot but interesting, family friends in Cloudcroft, NM (no leash
law) had a very nice watch dog that would not pass anyone he didn't
know. this mixed breed, shepard sized, was also a genuine, "cat
killer", something i would not have believed existed in a common
K-9 mutt.
his method was not to bark or growl, just to run down the cat and if
he got the least bit of a surprise and there was no tree handy, the
cat was history. it was gruesome. --Loren
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:04:07 -0700, "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>"Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:bhsmfr$ngr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message >
>> oh dear, what did your sister do , did they keep the dog ?
>> Alison
>>
>> >
>> > Bex
>> >
>The net is full of great "stories", you can find one to cover anything you
>want to believe. Of course if you can't you can always make one more up.
Excuse me? Don't call me a liar. It happened, I have no need to make
stories up. FYI the dog was called Asia and lived with my sister Bev in
Essex.
> With all the great "stories" about these "very harmless" dogs that
>suddenly kill, the real story is always the same. The owner was, and is a
>moron who ignored the warning signs, then when their dog kills, they claim
>innocence since it was just "instinct" and they just don't know what
>happened. If this had any truth to it, no dog is safe around children. So
>ALL dogs should be destroyed since at any time they may revert to "instinct"
>and attack a small child. Now if you believe that I have a bridge to sell
>you.
> As for cats, dogs, birds, if your too lazy, to be bothered with common
>sense or training you should not own either.
If you choose to call my brother in law and sister morons that's up to you.
However I know better. The animal had lived peacefully with them for many
years, and lived peacefully for many years after the incident. Asias
owners were responsible but in Essex some of the sheep are in fields
accesable to walkers. It was a field by the beach that she was always
walked and had never showed any interest previously or afterwards. The dog
was well trained thank you.
Thanks for your offensive response, we wouldn't want to let an alternative
viewpoint into the conversation would we? Not while we can get on our high
horse and insult people. Pathetic cheap shots.
Bex
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:37:38 -0700, "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
>news:vk4i3j7432el8f@corp.supernews.com...
>> Not so true Alex but people with any intelligence will keep a careful eye
>on
>> the preditor animals in a home with prey animals period. You my thing the
>> lion will lay down with the lamb but one day you WILL find lamb chops on
>the
>> menu.
>> It's not rocket science!
>>
>> Bob Wheeler
>>
>
>Yah yah I know. Personal responsibility has long been under attack. No one
>is ever responsible for what they do. With Dogs, the owner is not
>responsible, because the dog just was "following instinct" when he attacked.
If this is the reason you felt the need for the rather harsh reply to my
post then I will further add that of COURSE my sister and her husband took
responsibility for the dogs actions. They felt immensely guilty for having
the dog off the lead near sheep and wanted to find the farmer to explain.
My sister phoned me in tears about the whole thing. But regardless of the
training you do and the precautions you take, there are always going to be
times when people make the wrong judgment , an animal takes advantage and
dreadful things happen. It doesn't make the dog/cat or owner bad people.
You do what you can.
Bex
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"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> They then bought her one of those extendable leads and walked her
right on
> the beach and away from livestock.
Phew , so glad she wasnt put down
> They say once a dog gets a taste for
> hunting livestock they don't stop, plus farmers can legally (I
think) shoot
> dogs pestering livestock.
yes, the farmer can shoot if he believes adog is threatening his live
stock , ie chasing sheep .
we used to have rabbits at home and my previous terrier type dog never
used to touch them but she would chase them in the woods and I had
great trouble getting her back once she took off. ,
.. Look how many young kids get their faces bitten off my the loving
> household dog! Animals are animals, no matter how much you think
you know
> them, all it takes is one off day and then you realise what
instincts they
> have hidden away behind that benign exterior.
Biting children isn't always prey instinct , it can be sometimes that
children tease and the dogs get irritated .
Alison
>
> Bex
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> Pray for that day when you'll leave behind the grey
> Pray for that day when your feet could walk on different soil
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> http://www.darkwave.org.uk/~bex
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| Janet Levy |
Loren Coe wrote:
> In article <1061229218.92184@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
>
>>It depends what your cats are like. If you get the bird you are asking
>> your cats to deny their natural instincts. Few cats have no interest in
>> hunting nice fluttery objects. >> >> Bex
>hasn't anyone here seen pictures or video of cats w/birds? i have,
>many times. a 'tiel is fairly timid, tho, it is usually conures
>or parrots in these pics. my "Quaker book" shows a couple of photos
>of her bird/s w/cats, on cats/dogs. --Loren
Yes, I had a friend whose cockatiel terrorized her old cat. Another
friend had a cat who was allowed near her free flying budgies
and tiels for 15 years with never an incident. But don't think she
didn't keep an eye on things.
My opinion is that whether cats and birds will work totally depends
on the personalities of the animals and the awareness and vigilance of
the owners. I had a roommate's cat kill one of my birds in college
and the lesson was nailed home to me. That doesn't mean I haven't
had birds and cats (and dogs) as pets for the past 30 some years,
but I would never turn my back on my cats or dog when my birds
are in their sight. It works because I trained the animals, but
I also never trust them. They do have instincts. If a cat of mine
ever did get one of my birds, it would be totally my own fault
and I wouldn't blame the cat (well, after some irrational hatred
for a few days). But I sleep well at night with my double locks
on the bird room doors.
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Again you missed the point, but then a lot of folks do. "people with
intelligence will keep a careful eye on the preditor animals in a
home......"
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"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> > Not so true Alex but people with any intelligence will keep a careful
eye
> on
> > the preditor animals in a home with prey animals period. You my thing
the
> > lion will lay down with the lamb but one day you WILL find lamb chops on
> the
> > menu.
> > It's not rocket science!
> >
> > Bob Wheeler
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>
> Yah yah I know. Personal responsibility has long been under attack. No one
> is ever responsible for what they do. With Dogs, the owner is not
> responsible, because the dog just was "following instinct" when he
attacked.
> I used a night stick on one who came after a child of mine once. The owner
> (moron) said the dog was just following his "instinct" to go after the
> child. I told him if it happened again I would follow my "instinct" and
not
> let the dog do it again.
> We see the same thing with children. They "need" drugs, since they just
> can't behave in school without them. Of course it has NOTHING to do with
the
> parents.
> They are all just excuses. If anyone really believes these animals can't
> be trained then they should be campaigning to have them all destroyed,
since
> all of them are just killers waiting to go off on some innocent.
> Sorry, it's still fertilizer to me. Had Dogs, cats, and birds all my
life.
> People who "need" an excuse for their children or pets have plenty to
choose
> from, but they are still just excuses, and they always have plenty of
people
> who will tell them "it's ok, it was not your fault, the animal has
> "instincts" that can't be changed".
> --
> "Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:45:31 +0100, "Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk>
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>. Look how many young kids get their faces bitten off my the loving
>> household dog! Animals are animals, no matter how much you think
>you know
>> them, all it takes is one off day and then you realise what
>instincts they
>> have hidden away behind that benign exterior.
>
> Biting children isn't always prey instinct , it can be sometimes that
>children tease and the dogs get irritated .
> Alison
Yes, your right, that's no instinct. What I meant was you can't quite tell
what reactions they may have on an off day.
Bex
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> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
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> . Look how many young kids get their faces bitten off my the loving
> > household dog!
Another "nice story", works well on the net. Of course the fact that it does
not happen like that should not matter. When a child gets bit by "the loving
household dog!" it's always because the owners/ parents are morons. Of
course their "excuse" is " they just don't know what happened". Bull ****.
>Animals are animals, no matter how much you think
> you know
> > them, all it takes is one off day and then you realise what
> instincts they
> > have hidden away behind that benign exterior.
> >
So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have pets, so
I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
> > Bex
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Alex Clayton wrote:
> So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have pets, so
> I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
It's just that the enjoyment of being around cats, dogs, and birds more
than makes up for the potential dangers to most pet owners. I've been
bitten and scratched by all three and have minor scars from macaws. I
still keep macaws and a dog and consider them great companions. If you
don't think your bird, dog, or cat will ever attack you, a family
member, a visitor, or another of your pets you're not being very
realistic. No, it doesn't mean you should get rid of your pets. It is
something to consider however when you select a pet. Cats, dogs, and
even birds have been known to kill their owners. A case of an ostrich
kicking it's owner comes to mind.
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:12:51 -0700, "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> "^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:2um4kvc7abqnc1susl2indr6hn2d9ctrh5@4ax.com...
>>
>> . Look how many young kids get their faces bitten off my the loving
>> > household dog!
>
>Another "nice story", works well on the net. Of course the fact that it does
>not happen like that should not matter. When a child gets bit by "the loving
>household dog!" it's always because the owners/ parents are morons. Of
>course their "excuse" is " they just don't know what happened". Bull ****.
No you're right, Central News makes it up for a laugh. I have several
cases in mind that I have seen there. I live in a big city and can tell
you that these things do happen, whether it is the owner or the pets fault
I have no idea.
>>Animals are animals, no matter how much you think
>> you know
>> > them, all it takes is one off day and then you realise what
>> instincts they
>> > have hidden away behind that benign exterior.
>> >
>So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have pets, so
>I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
I have pets too FYI and can see two sides to the coin, obviously you cannot
and would choose to call me a liar rather than have a considered
discussion.
Bex
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:15:35 -0700, Louis Boyd <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu>
wrote:
>Alex Clayton wrote:
>
>> So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have pets, so
>> I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
>
>It's just that the enjoyment of being around cats, dogs, and birds more
>than makes up for the potential dangers to most pet owners. I've been
>bitten and scratched by all three and have minor scars from macaws. I
>still keep macaws and a dog and consider them great companions. If you
>don't think your bird, dog, or cat will ever attack you, a family
>member, a visitor, or another of your pets you're not being very
>realistic. No, it doesn't mean you should get rid of your pets. It is
>something to consider however when you select a pet. Cats, dogs, and
>even birds have been known to kill their owners. A case of an ostrich
>kicking it's owner comes to mind.
I think you're wasting your breath here...he'll only claim you made it up!
I can't understand why people can't see that there is that side to animals.
I take my animals good days and bad. Even little budgies have days when
they can't be bothered with you. I went to pick up my budgie yesterday and
he nipped me, he obviously wasn't in the mood (good job he wasn't an
Ostrich!!)...it doesn't make me a terrible bird trainer though. That's
just my animal having a personality...and n off moment. Likewise my dog
(RIP) disliked little boys. She was trained from a puppy but the only time
I realised she didn't like little boys was when she bared her teeth at one
in warning. We prevented that contact, and had no other problems, that
doesn't make us bad dog owners, that makes us good dog owners, for trying
to prevent an incident. That's what I mean. You can watch over your pets
but you can't control what they *might* do, you can only go by what you
experience.
Oh what's the point.
Bex
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"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> Alex Clayton wrote:
>
> > So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have
pets, so
> > I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
>
> It's just that the enjoyment of being around cats, dogs, and birds more
> than makes up for the potential dangers to most pet owners. I've been
> bitten and scratched by all three and have minor scars from macaws. I
> still keep macaws and a dog and consider them great companions. If you
> don't think your bird, dog, or cat will ever attack you, a family
> member, a visitor, or another of your pets you're not being very
> realistic. No, it doesn't mean you should get rid of your pets. It is
> something to consider however when you select a pet. Cats, dogs, and
> even birds have been known to kill their owners. A case of an ostrich
> kicking it's owner comes to mind.
> --
> Lou Boyd
>
LOL, yes I read about that too. Wasn't that an Emu <sp?> I remember many
years ago when people were buying these as breeders to sell for meat, there
were several stories about people getting hurt by them. I remember one case
where one got loose up here. It injured a couple animal control officers who
were trying to coral it. Now what this has to do with The "lovable family
dog biting off the family Childs face escapes me Lou. To me this is still
fertilizer. Every time I have seen someone's "pet dog" attack a family
member, there was ample warning that the animal was not the "lovable pet"
they would like people to believe. This is of course the "story" they tell
to keep their sorry ass out of trouble, but it's still just excuses, made by
morons who should have known better.
I too am regularly "scared" by my Macaw. Several times I have had people
at work comment on some bird induced owie on my ear or neck. These always
happen from me playing with him. I let him play rough. Now if I let some
child play with him, and of course the child got hurt I guess I could stand
there with my head up my ass and say " gee I just don't know what happened",
must have been "instinct"? Nice try, still bull ****.
Now as far as a Dog attacking a stranger, that is a whole different
matter, and again your attempting to spin this. Many "family" pet Dogs, will
bite another person who they feel is a threat to their family. Many people
have "pet" Dogs that they specifically train to do so. If they allow the
animal to attack somone at the wrong time, again it's the owner / moron
syndrom. Dogs who are not aggressive, do not suddenly become so out of the
blue because they are "wild at heart".
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In article <1061414475.611186@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:bi0ds7$mso$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> Alex Clayton wrote:
>>
>> > So they should all be destroyed then, OR, this is bull ****. I have
> pets, so
>> > I guess anyone knows which one I feel it is.
>>
>> It's just that the enjoyment of being around cats, dogs, and birds more
>> than makes up for the potential dangers to most pet owners. I've been
>> bitten and scratched by all three and have minor scars from macaws. I
>> still keep macaws and a dog and consider them great companions. If you
>> don't think your bird, dog, or cat will ever attack you, a family
>> member, a visitor, or another of your pets you're not being very
>> realistic. No, it doesn't mean you should get rid of your pets. It is
>> something to consider however when you select a pet. Cats, dogs, and
>> even birds have been known to kill their owners. A case of an ostrich
>> kicking it's owner comes to mind.
>> --
>> Lou Boyd
>>
> LOL, yes I read about that too. Wasn't that an Emu <sp?> I remember many
> years ago when people were buying these as breeders to sell for meat, there
> were several stories about people getting hurt by them. I remember one case
> where one got loose up here. It injured a couple animal control officers who
> were trying to coral it. Now what this has to do with The "lovable family
> dog biting off the family Childs face escapes me Lou. To me this is still
> fertilizer. Every time I have seen someone's "pet dog" attack a family
> member, there was ample warning that the animal was not the "lovable pet"
> they would like people to believe. This is of course the "story" they tell
> to keep their sorry ass out of trouble, but it's still just excuses, made by
> morons who should have known better.
ample warning? no, not in my case. i do nitwit things at times but
this was a real surprise for a 18yr youth w/Dad at his best friend
and co-worker's home.
we had a lab, and so did the friend. he seemed to be accepting of
us/me but i knew labs can be possesive and not really trustworthy
w/strangers. while talking to him i bent forward just far enough
for him to grab my entire head in his jaws. i never thought a
dog that size could open that wide, but it was lucky for me because
he had no leverage. a real cheap lesson and i did not blame the
owner who was sitting right there. YMMV, --Loren
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"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
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> ample warning? no, not in my case. i do nitwit things at times but
> this was a real surprise for a 18yr youth w/Dad at his best friend
> and co-worker's home.
>
> we had a lab, and so did the friend. he seemed to be accepting of
> us/me but i knew labs can be possesive and not really trustworthy
> w/strangers. while talking to him i bent forward just far enough
> for him to grab my entire head in his jaws. i never thought a
> dog that size could open that wide, but it was lucky for me because
> he had no leverage. a real cheap lesson and i did not blame the
> owner who was sitting right there. YMMV, --Loren
>
>
Do you have the ability to follow a discussion? Was this a " lovable family
pet that bit your face off"?
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:13:07 -0700, "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
>news:jvS0b.211881$uu5.38584@sccrnsc04...
>> ample warning? no, not in my case. i do nitwit things at times but
>> this was a real surprise for a 18yr youth w/Dad at his best friend
>> and co-worker's home.
>>
>> we had a lab, and so did the friend. he seemed to be accepting of
>> us/me but i knew labs can be possesive and not really trustworthy
>> w/strangers. while talking to him i bent forward just far enough
>> for him to grab my entire head in his jaws. i never thought a
>> dog that size could open that wide, but it was lucky for me because
>> he had no leverage. a real cheap lesson and i did not blame the
>> owner who was sitting right there. YMMV, --Loren
>>
>>
>Do you have the ability to follow a discussion? Was this a " lovable family
>pet that bit your face off"?
>
This "discussion" seems to be that you are right, and everyone with
experiences to the contrary are morons...not much of a discussion. I
thought a discussion was a two way thing.
Bex
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