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| Olga |
Hi everyone,
I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
afraid it can die before tomorrow.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
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| Joanne |
"Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
>
> We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
>
> But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
>
> Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> afraid it can die before tomorrow.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
>
It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food frequently
but never give water.
If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast. It is
probably too late to start looking for a rehabber and do nothing else. Get
the bird eating while you seek a local rehabber.
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| NaDeana |
Actually you should use cat food mixed with water, it is easier to digest
for little ones. If you do not mix with water you risk crop impaction. Make
sure to get it past the glottis or you risk drowning the little one. Where
are you in the world? I could find you a wildlife rehabber in your area.
This feeding method is TEMPORARY and the little one must be taken to a
rehabber who will administer the proper diet.
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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> "Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:dd933f90.0308020910.4755703f@posting.google.com...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> > a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
> >
> > We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> > nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> > found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
> >
> > But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> > has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> > mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> > drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> > but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> > since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> > afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
> >
> > Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> > It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> > need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> > afraid it can die before tomorrow.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
> >
>
> It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food
frequently
> but never give water.
>
> If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast. It is
> probably too late to start looking for a rehabber and do nothing else.
Get
> the bird eating while you seek a local rehabber.
>
>
>
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| Katra |
Can somene please forward me the relevent article???
I lurk on this list, but my server sux and only downloads about
25% of the articles.
Thanks!
Katra (who is also a wild bird rehabber)
NaDeana wrote:
>
> Actually you should use cat food mixed with water, it is easier to digest
> for little ones. If you do not mix with water you risk crop impaction. Make
> sure to get it past the glottis or you risk drowning the little one. Where
> are you in the world? I could find you a wildlife rehabber in your area.
> This feeding method is TEMPORARY and the little one must be taken to a
> rehabber who will administer the proper diet.
>
> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
> news:atSWa.31254$Mc.2455978@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > news:dd933f90.0308020910.4755703f@posting.google.com...
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> > > a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
> > >
> > > We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> > > nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> > > found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
> > >
> > > But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> > > has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> > > mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> > > drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> > > but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> > > since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> > > afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
> > >
> > > Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> > > It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> > > need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> > > afraid it can die before tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
> > >
> >
> > It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food
> frequently
> > but never give water.
> >
> > If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast. It is
> > probably too late to start looking for a rehabber and do nothing else.
> Get
> > the bird eating while you seek a local rehabber.
> >
> >
> >
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| Olga |
Thanks to everyone for your advice here and for your e-mails.
Unfortunately the baby bird died this evening and we could do nothing
about it :-( I'm absolutely devastated. I didn't see it die
(otherwise I would have died myself I think) The bird was in my
friend's house and I phoned her every hour, but couldn't help
unfortunately.
My friend had to take the bird home because she found it hopping under
her car, the parents were nowhere to be seen and there were two dogs
nearby and a cat who had just had kittens and was often hunting for
food around.
We couldn't find any qualified rehabbers here, we live in Moscow,
Russia. We phoned doctors, but they couldn't help us, because we
didin't even know what kind of bird it was. We phoned the local zoo,
they couldn't help us either. They didn't want to take the bird
because they have too many pets of their own to care for another one.
And unfortunately we couldn't take it back, because it was found out
of town, quite a long way from our houses, and it wouldn't have
survived the travel.
So this is my sad story. :-((((((((((
Please pray for the baby bird to rest in peace.
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| oldmolly |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:dd933f90.0308020910.4755703f@posting.google.com...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> > a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
> >
> > We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> > nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> > found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
> >
> > But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> > has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> > mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> > drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> > but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> > since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> > afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
> >
> > Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> > It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> > need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> > afraid it can die before tomorrow.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
> >
>
> It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food
frequently
> but never give water.
>
> If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast.
*never* force feed. And unless you know what the species is, leave it to
someone who knows. This information is wrong. Feeding a pigeon for example o
canned dog food will kill it.
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| Joanne |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> *never* force feed. And unless you know what the species is, leave it to
> someone who knows. This information is wrong. Feeding a pigeon for example
o
> canned dog food will kill it.
>
You are right. And pointing this out is important for a future knowledge
base.
Considering the urgency of her message and the odds of the unknown species
being further damaged by making a decision as to what to offer, canned dog
food was a reasonable solution.
Also, considering the frequency of posts on weekends, I hoped to offer my
best emergency advise. It was interesting to learn that cat food thinned
with water is a good solution. I have never read that before and wouldn't
have guessed it because I always believed that cat food products may contain
milk.
As I'm sure you learned by reading posts dated later than the original, the
bird did die. So, it was as critical a situation as it was described to be.
I wish they had asked as soon as they found it so all our true rehabbers
could have answered timely. Most people don't realize how quickly a bird
can go downhill.
Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And what
other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
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| oldmolly |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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> Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
what
> other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
>
It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
based hand rearing formula.
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| E-Man |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bgk15s$p19ni$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
> what
> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
> >
> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
> on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
> surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
> I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
> based hand rearing formula.
>
1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to fly
all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where they
found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a rehabber
was GOOD advice.)
2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are newborn,
to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula' or
mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole seeds.
When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents eat
the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a little
slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
E-Man
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| Joanne |
"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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>
> 1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
> fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to
fly
> all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
> rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where
they
> found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a
rehabber
> was GOOD advice.)
> 2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are
newborn,
> to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
> have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula'
or
> mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
> be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole
seeds.
> When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
> parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
> This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents
eat
> the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a
little
> slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
> E-Man
>
Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
other birds that are cared for in this way?
I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of their
parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out, it's
not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of time
had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing while
seeking a rehabber.
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| E-Man |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<BduXa.33196> Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
> other birds that are cared for in this way?
>
> I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of their
> parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out, it's
> not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of time
> had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
> while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing while
> seeking a rehabber.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
Hi Joanne,
I don't exactly know what you mean by cared for in this way. But all pigeons
and doves are 'cared for in this way.'%^)
Almost all songbirds, or birds whos primary diet is insects, start to fledge
their young as soon as they can walk and climb. This is not until the young
are almost fully feathered. They lure the young away from the nest with food.
They hunt in the grass in front of the young. They show by example what and
how to eat. It is in the birds instincts to recognize certain dangers, and
to freeze when danger is near. I still find it amazing that my young pigeons,
although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they see
them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back yard,
and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
E-Man
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| Joanne |
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"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<BduXa.33196>
Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
> > other birds that are cared for in this way?
> >
> > I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of
their
> > parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out,
it's
> > not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of
time
> > had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
> > while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing
while
> > seeking a rehabber.
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Joanne
>
> Hi Joanne,
> I don't exactly know what you mean by cared for in this way. But all
pigeons
> and doves are 'cared for in this way.'%^)
>
> Almost all songbirds, or birds whos primary diet is insects, start to
fledge
> their young as soon as they can walk and climb. This is not until the
young
> are almost fully feathered. They lure the young away from the nest with
food.
> They hunt in the grass in front of the young. They show by example what
and
> how to eat. It is in the birds instincts to recognize certain dangers, and
> to freeze when danger is near. I still find it amazing that my young
pigeons,
> although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they
see
> them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back
yard,
> and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
> E-Man
>
There is a difference between the insect eaters and the grain eaters.
Besides pigeons and doves, which other wild birds which might be found and
require immediate feeding before the rehabbers arrive are grain eaters?
Old Molly said in a previous post that meat would kill a pigeon. We don't
want to offer food to a bird that may kill it.
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| E-Man |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<cFxXa.141
> There is a difference between the insect eaters and the grain eaters.
> Besides pigeons and doves, which other wild birds which might be found and
> require immediate feeding before the rehabbers arrive are grain eaters?
>
> Old Molly said in a previous post that meat would kill a pigeon. We don't
> want to offer food to a bird that may kill it.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
Hi Joanne,
No, I believe in her previous post she stated that canned dog food would
kill it. MOST canned dog food is cereal by-products more so than meat.
It very well may kill an unfeathered baby pigeon, but not from what
it is, as much as this is not the birds regular diet, and too much of it
will cause serious diarhea, or constipation from not being able to fully
digest it. But adult pigeons have been known to eat dog food, cat food,
meat, ice cream, bread, pizza, fries, etc., with no ill effects, other than
it's total lack of nutrition for them. So yes, a steady diet of bad food
will kill you.
Pigeons and doves, normally, are exclusively grain and seed eaters.
And MOST other "backyard" birds are insectivors, but also eat seeds and grain.
BUT most of our backyard birds feed their young almost all insects, with the
occasional bit of fruit or berry.
I would figure, that if you do not have the knowledge of knowing the difference
between seed eaters, and insectivors, then you shouldn't be feeding them
anything. Although someone may be able to explain a difference to someone,
it would be hard to grasp without being able to visually identify a bird type.
So I guess the best advice would be that unless you know your birds, or
unless a friend can help you immediately identify a bird, and unless you
readily know of a re-habber, leave the baby birds alone.
Unfortunately, it is common for alot of us, before knowing anything about
birds, to spot what we think is a helpless baby, and try to save it.
But maybe if we try to make it common knowledge that this is how alot of the
baby birds fledge, it won't happen so often.
E-Man
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"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> I still find it amazing that my young pigeons,
> although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they
see
> them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back
yard,
> and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
> E-Man
This really made me laugh. Our flock of free-range chickens will freeze when
they see a hawk overhead, and then set up a horrendous round of cackling. I
come running to their rescue, and end up cursing their little pea-brains
(gotta love 'em).
My husband once had a Timneh who could identify a pinprick in the sky as a
hawk and would start bobbing his head insanely (a VERY worried birdie) while
making hawk calls. If you didn't get him undercover immediately he would
start to get frantic. I find it amazing that such a diverse group of
creatures can carry the same genetically imprinted fear.....
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| Loren Coe |
In article <e48ef388.0308040343.498ba87@posting.google.com>, E-Man wrote:
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bgk15s$p19ni$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
>> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
>> what
>> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
>> >
>> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
>> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
hmmm, aren't we a little snobby.... --Loren
>> on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
>> surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
>> I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
>> based hand rearing formula.
>>
>
> 1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
> fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to fly
> all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
> rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where they
> found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a rehabber
> was GOOD advice.)
> 2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are newborn,
> to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
> have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula' or
> mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
> be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole seeds.
> When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
> parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
> This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents eat
> the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a little
> slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
> E-Man
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| oldmolly |
"Loren Coe" <loren@netnews.attbi.com> wrote in message
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> In article <e48ef388.0308040343.498ba87@posting.google.com>, E-Man wrote:
> > "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
> >> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon.
And
> >> what
> >> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general
category?
> >> >
> >> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what
to
> >> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good
advice
>
> hmmm, aren't we a little snobby....
please explain how that statement could be considered snobby.Perhaps you
don't understand what the word actually means.
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"Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
>
> We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
>
> But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
>
> Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> afraid it can die before tomorrow.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
>
It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food frequently
but never give water.
If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast. It is
probably too late to start looking for a rehabber and do nothing else. Get
the bird eating while you seek a local rehabber.
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| NaDeana |
Actually you should use cat food mixed with water, it is easier to digest
for little ones. If you do not mix with water you risk crop impaction. Make
sure to get it past the glottis or you risk drowning the little one. Where
are you in the world? I could find you a wildlife rehabber in your area.
This feeding method is TEMPORARY and the little one must be taken to a
rehabber who will administer the proper diet.
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:dd933f90.0308020910.4755703f@posting.google.com...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> > a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
> >
> > We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> > nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> > found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
> >
> > But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> > has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> > mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> > drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> > but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> > since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> > afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
> >
> > Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> > It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> > need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> > afraid it can die before tomorrow.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
> >
>
> It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food
frequently
> but never give water.
>
> If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast. It is
> probably too late to start looking for a rehabber and do nothing else.
Get
> the bird eating while you seek a local rehabber.
>
>
>
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| Olga |
Thanks to everyone for your advice here and for your e-mails.
Unfortunately the baby bird died this evening and we could do nothing
about it :-( I'm absolutely devastated. I didn't see it die
(otherwise I would have died myself I think) The bird was in my
friend's house and I phoned her every hour, but couldn't help
unfortunately.
My friend had to take the bird home because she found it hopping under
her car, the parents were nowhere to be seen and there were two dogs
nearby and a cat who had just had kittens and was often hunting for
food around.
We couldn't find any qualified rehabbers here, we live in Moscow,
Russia. We phoned doctors, but they couldn't help us, because we
didin't even know what kind of bird it was. We phoned the local zoo,
they couldn't help us either. They didn't want to take the bird
because they have too many pets of their own to care for another one.
And unfortunately we couldn't take it back, because it was found out
of town, quite a long way from our houses, and it wouldn't have
survived the travel.
So this is my sad story. :-((((((((((
Please pray for the baby bird to rest in peace.
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| oldmolly |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Olga" <odfs2003@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:dd933f90.0308020910.4755703f@posting.google.com...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've turned to this newsgroup because I need urgent help, advice about
> > a baby bird. A friend found it near her car yesterday.
> >
> > We don't know who the bird is, it could possibly be a sparrow or a
> > nightingale (there are many nightingales around the place where it was
> > found). It was fallen out of its nest apparently.
> >
> > But we couldn't find the nest anywhere. The baby bird can't fly, it
> > has feathers but it's still so small that can't eat without its
> > mother. It doesn's accept food from humans. Yesterday it was lively,
> > drank water, opened its mouth once to accept a few soaked oat grains,
> > but somehow didn't like the grains and hasn't opened its mouth ever
> > since. We don't know how to force-feed it, it's so small and we're
> > afraid to harm it when opening its beak.
> >
> > Today it's not lively anymore, doesn't even accept water, doesn't eat.
> > It may be dying! We don't know what to do!! Please help!! We urgently
> > need advice on how to force-feed it and what to feed it with!!! I'm
> > afraid it can die before tomorrow.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Olga
> >
>
> It sounds like this baby is going downhill fast. They need food
frequently
> but never give water.
>
> If you are going to force feed, use canned dog food and do it fast.
*never* force feed. And unless you know what the species is, leave it to
someone who knows. This information is wrong. Feeding a pigeon for example o
canned dog food will kill it.
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| Joanne |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> *never* force feed. And unless you know what the species is, leave it to
> someone who knows. This information is wrong. Feeding a pigeon for example
o
> canned dog food will kill it.
>
You are right. And pointing this out is important for a future knowledge
base.
Considering the urgency of her message and the odds of the unknown species
being further damaged by making a decision as to what to offer, canned dog
food was a reasonable solution.
Also, considering the frequency of posts on weekends, I hoped to offer my
best emergency advise. It was interesting to learn that cat food thinned
with water is a good solution. I have never read that before and wouldn't
have guessed it because I always believed that cat food products may contain
milk.
As I'm sure you learned by reading posts dated later than the original, the
bird did die. So, it was as critical a situation as it was described to be.
I wish they had asked as soon as they found it so all our true rehabbers
could have answered timely. Most people don't realize how quickly a bird
can go downhill.
Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And what
other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
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"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
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> Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
what
> other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
>
It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
based hand rearing formula.
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| E-Man |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bgk15s$p19ni$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
> what
> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
> >
> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
> on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
> surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
> I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
> based hand rearing formula.
>
1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to fly
all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where they
found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a rehabber
was GOOD advice.)
2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are newborn,
to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula' or
mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole seeds.
When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents eat
the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a little
slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
E-Man
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"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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>
> 1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
> fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to
fly
> all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
> rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where
they
> found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a
rehabber
> was GOOD advice.)
> 2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are
newborn,
> to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
> have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula'
or
> mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
> be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole
seeds.
> When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
> parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
> This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents
eat
> the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a
little
> slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
> E-Man
>
Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
other birds that are cared for in this way?
I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of their
parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out, it's
not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of time
had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing while
seeking a rehabber.
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"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<BduXa.33196> Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
> other birds that are cared for in this way?
>
> I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of their
> parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out, it's
> not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of time
> had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
> while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing while
> seeking a rehabber.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
Hi Joanne,
I don't exactly know what you mean by cared for in this way. But all pigeons
and doves are 'cared for in this way.'%^)
Almost all songbirds, or birds whos primary diet is insects, start to fledge
their young as soon as they can walk and climb. This is not until the young
are almost fully feathered. They lure the young away from the nest with food.
They hunt in the grass in front of the young. They show by example what and
how to eat. It is in the birds instincts to recognize certain dangers, and
to freeze when danger is near. I still find it amazing that my young pigeons,
although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they see
them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back yard,
and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
E-Man
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"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<BduXa.33196>
Interesting; thanks. Besides pigeons and (probably) doves, are there any
> > other birds that are cared for in this way?
> >
> > I agree that the care of rescued wild birds belongs in the hands of
their
> > parents or those who know what they are doing, but as you pointed out,
it's
> > not always possible. And in this case, the OP tried grain; a lot of
time
> > had passed and the bird was going downhill fast. Doing the right thing
> > while seeking a rehabber seems to me to be better than doing nothing
while
> > seeking a rehabber.
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Joanne
>
> Hi Joanne,
> I don't exactly know what you mean by cared for in this way. But all
pigeons
> and doves are 'cared for in this way.'%^)
>
> Almost all songbirds, or birds whos primary diet is insects, start to
fledge
> their young as soon as they can walk and climb. This is not until the
young
> are almost fully feathered. They lure the young away from the nest with
food.
> They hunt in the grass in front of the young. They show by example what
and
> how to eat. It is in the birds instincts to recognize certain dangers, and
> to freeze when danger is near. I still find it amazing that my young
pigeons,
> although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they
see
> them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back
yard,
> and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
> E-Man
>
There is a difference between the insect eaters and the grain eaters.
Besides pigeons and doves, which other wild birds which might be found and
require immediate feeding before the rehabbers arrive are grain eaters?
Old Molly said in a previous post that meat would kill a pigeon. We don't
want to offer food to a bird that may kill it.
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| E-Man |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message news:<cFxXa.141
> There is a difference between the insect eaters and the grain eaters.
> Besides pigeons and doves, which other wild birds which might be found and
> require immediate feeding before the rehabbers arrive are grain eaters?
>
> Old Molly said in a previous post that meat would kill a pigeon. We don't
> want to offer food to a bird that may kill it.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
Hi Joanne,
No, I believe in her previous post she stated that canned dog food would
kill it. MOST canned dog food is cereal by-products more so than meat.
It very well may kill an unfeathered baby pigeon, but not from what
it is, as much as this is not the birds regular diet, and too much of it
will cause serious diarhea, or constipation from not being able to fully
digest it. But adult pigeons have been known to eat dog food, cat food,
meat, ice cream, bread, pizza, fries, etc., with no ill effects, other than
it's total lack of nutrition for them. So yes, a steady diet of bad food
will kill you.
Pigeons and doves, normally, are exclusively grain and seed eaters.
And MOST other "backyard" birds are insectivors, but also eat seeds and grain.
BUT most of our backyard birds feed their young almost all insects, with the
occasional bit of fruit or berry.
I would figure, that if you do not have the knowledge of knowing the difference
between seed eaters, and insectivors, then you shouldn't be feeding them
anything. Although someone may be able to explain a difference to someone,
it would be hard to grasp without being able to visually identify a bird type.
So I guess the best advice would be that unless you know your birds, or
unless a friend can help you immediately identify a bird, and unless you
readily know of a re-habber, leave the baby birds alone.
Unfortunately, it is common for alot of us, before knowing anything about
birds, to spot what we think is a helpless baby, and try to save it.
But maybe if we try to make it common knowledge that this is how alot of the
baby birds fledge, it won't happen so often.
E-Man
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"E-Man" <ef29@drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> I still find it amazing that my young pigeons,
> although never having seen hawks before, respond accordingly, when they
see
> them. I have seen mockingbirds, robins, and even crows fledge in my back
yard,
> and seen them freeze when a hawk flies overhead.
> E-Man
This really made me laugh. Our flock of free-range chickens will freeze when
they see a hawk overhead, and then set up a horrendous round of cackling. I
come running to their rescue, and end up cursing their little pea-brains
(gotta love 'em).
My husband once had a Timneh who could identify a pinprick in the sky as a
hawk and would start bobbing his head insanely (a VERY worried birdie) while
making hawk calls. If you didn't get him undercover immediately he would
start to get frantic. I find it amazing that such a diverse group of
creatures can carry the same genetically imprinted fear.....
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In article <e48ef388.0308040343.498ba87@posting.google.com>, E-Man wrote:
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bgk15s$p19ni$1@ID-165698.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
>> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon. And
>> what
>> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general category?
>> >
>> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what to
>> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good advice
hmmm, aren't we a little snobby.... --Loren
>> on what to do if there is no rehbeer close by. Posting on the internet must
>> surely be the *last* thing anyone would do.
>> I am successfully hand rearing a pigeon right now using a normal grain
>> based hand rearing formula.
>>
>
> 1. If you find a "feathered" baby bird, leave it alone. This is how they
> fledge. The parents teach them what to eat, what is dangerous, and how to fly
> all at the same time. The first thing most people tell others is to find a
> rehabber, but the first thing they should do is put the bird back where they
> found it. (Although I see it wasn't possible in this instance, so a rehabber
> was GOOD advice.)
> 2. Baby pigeons are fed pigeon milk, along with seeds when they are newborn,
> to less than 2 weeks old. After that, they are fed whole seeds. So if you
> have a "feathered" baby pigeon, you no longer need any kind of 'formula' or
> mash, or any other soft food. If you have any 2 week old babies you will
> be able to "see" in their crop, and see that they are being fed whole seeds.
> When the babies first hatch, the "pigeon milk" develops in the crop of the
> parents, and sloughs off the lining of the crop when they feed the babies.
> This only happens for the first week to 2 weeks. After that, the parents eat
> the seed, drink some water, then feed the young, so it still looks a little
> slimey, but it's nothing but seed and water.
> E-Man
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> In article <e48ef388.0308040343.498ba87@posting.google.com>, E-Man wrote:
> > "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobird.com> wrote in message
> >> news:faYWa.130051$Io.11034697@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> > Please advise as to what one should feed an abandoned baby pigeon.
And
> >> what
> >> > other species can you think of that would fall into this general
category?
> >> >
> >> It is not the placee, nor indeed *my* place to offer advice as to what
to
> >> do if one finds a bird. There are enough websites offering very good
advice
>
> hmmm, aren't we a little snobby....
please explain how that statement could be considered snobby.Perhaps you
don't understand what the word actually means.
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