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Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
Jesus was not born on December 25th
Christmas Day - December 25th - is near to the middle of winter in the
Northerm Hemisphere - including the Palestine region or Judaea.
Was Jesus born during the winter? Let's see what the Scriptures has to
say...
"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,
keeping watch over their flock by night." LUKE 2:8
The shepherds did NOT keep their sheep in the fields during December!
The sheep were brought in under cover before mid-October to protect them
from the cold rainy season that would follow.
And yes, the winter in the Judaea IS at the time characterised by cold,
wet, rainy conditions!!
"For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over [and] gone;" SONG OF
SONGS 2:11
"Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together
unto Jerusalem within three days. It [was] the ninth month, on the
twentieth [day] of the month; and all the people sat in the street of
the house of God, trembling because of [this] matter, AND FOR THE GREAT
RAIN." EZRA 10:9
The "ninth month" corresponds roughly to December today. You see this
time of year was characterised by winter rains in Judaea. The sheep were
not in the fields at that time!!
Here's what the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol 5, page 370, New York ed)
has to say about the date of Christ's birth....
"It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their
sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and
bring them home at commencement of the first rain,..."
"During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and
day. As...the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which
answers to part of our October and November, we find that the sheep were
kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these
shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive
argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our
Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in
the fields; nor could He have even been born later than September, as
the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the
nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by
night in the fields is a chronological fact..."
The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, though evidently He
was born sometime during September which is six months after the
Passover.
If God had intended for us to celebrate the birthday of Jesus, why then
didn't God reveal the exact date to us in the Scriptures???
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"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3FAEF26D.A53048B7@vcn.com...
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga...w/xmasborn.html
>
> Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
>
> Jesus was not born on December 25th
>
> Christmas Day - December 25th - is near to the middle of winter in the
> Northerm Hemisphere - including the Palestine region or Judaea.
>
> Was Jesus born during the winter? Let's see what the Scriptures has to
> say...
>
> "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,
> keeping watch over their flock by night." LUKE 2:8
>
> The shepherds did NOT keep their sheep in the fields during December!
> The sheep were brought in under cover before mid-October to protect them
> from the cold rainy season that would follow.
>
> And yes, the winter in the Judaea IS at the time characterised by cold,
> wet, rainy conditions!!
>
> "For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over [and] gone;" SONG OF
> SONGS 2:11
>
> "Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together
> unto Jerusalem within three days. It [was] the ninth month, on the
> twentieth [day] of the month; and all the people sat in the street of
> the house of God, trembling because of [this] matter, AND FOR THE GREAT
> RAIN." EZRA 10:9
>
> The "ninth month" corresponds roughly to December today. You see this
> time of year was characterised by winter rains in Judaea. The sheep were
> not in the fields at that time!!
>
> Here's what the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol 5, page 370, New York ed)
> has to say about the date of Christ's birth....
>
> "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their
> sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and
> bring them home at commencement of the first rain,..."
>
> "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and
> day. As...the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which
> answers to part of our October and November, we find that the sheep were
> kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these
> shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive
> argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our
> Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in
> the fields; nor could He have even been born later than September, as
> the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the
> nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by
> night in the fields is a chronological fact..."
>
> The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, though evidently He
> was born sometime during September which is six months after the
> Passover.
>
> If God had intended for us to celebrate the birthday of Jesus, why then
> didn't God reveal the exact date to us in the Scriptures???
>
>
>
>
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:05:33 -0700, Gary <schooley@vcn.com> wrote:
>http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga...w/xmasborn.html
>
>Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
Here we go again...
>Jesus was not born on December 25th
Fine. Do you think Jesus, if He exists, really cares what day his
"birthday" is celebrated, or that it's celebrated at all? Seems to me
he'd prefer people to honor each other every day than bugger them
about the exact date we should blow out 2000+ candles.
[snip of sermon]
>The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, though evidently He
>was born sometime during September which is six months after the
>Passover.
Make up your mind. Is it entirely unknown, or was it sometime in Sept?
>If God had intended for us to celebrate the birthday of Jesus, why then
>didn't God reveal the exact date to us in the Scriptures???
There are some calendar issues, and uh... God didn't write the
Scriptures. If you're really interested in these issues I'm sure
you'll find more educated debate in talk.politics.religion.
-- swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> schreef in bericht
news:3FAEF26D.A53048B7@vcn.com...
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga...w/xmasborn.html
>
> Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
>
> Jesus was not born on December 25th
>
> Christmas Day - December 25th - is near to the middle of winter in the
> Northerm Hemisphere - including the Palestine region or Judaea.
>
> Was Jesus born during the winter? Let's see what the Scriptures has to
> say...
>
> "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,
> keeping watch over their flock by night." LUKE 2:8
>
> The shepherds did NOT keep their sheep in the fields during December!
> The sheep were brought in under cover before mid-October to protect them
> from the cold rainy season that would follow.
>
> And yes, the winter in the Judaea IS at the time characterised by cold,
> wet, rainy conditions!!
>
> "For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over [and] gone;" SONG OF
> SONGS 2:11
>
> "Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together
> unto Jerusalem within three days. It [was] the ninth month, on the
> twentieth [day] of the month; and all the people sat in the street of
> the house of God, trembling because of [this] matter, AND FOR THE GREAT
> RAIN." EZRA 10:9
>
> The "ninth month" corresponds roughly to December today. You see this
> time of year was characterised by winter rains in Judaea. The sheep were
> not in the fields at that time!!
>
> Here's what the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol 5, page 370, New York ed)
> has to say about the date of Christ's birth....
>
> "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their
> sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and
> bring them home at commencement of the first rain,..."
>
> "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and
> day. As...the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which
> answers to part of our October and November, we find that the sheep were
> kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these
> shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive
> argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our
> Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in
> the fields; nor could He have even been born later than September, as
> the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the
> nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by
> night in the fields is a chronological fact..."
>
> The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, though evidently He
> was born sometime during September which is six months after the
> Passover.
>
> If God had intended for us to celebrate the birthday of Jesus, why then
> didn't God reveal the exact date to us in the Scriptures???
>
>
>
>
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