| me |
PLEASE DO NOT BUY THE FERRET THAT TRISH IS TRYING TO SELL, IT IS MY
DAUGHTER'S FERRET THAT I HAD PLACED TEMPORARILY WITH A FRIEND OF
TRISH.........THIS FRIEND APPARENTLY GAVE IT TO TRISH AND ALTHOUGH I HAVE
BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS PET BACK FOR MONTHS NOW, THIS TRISH PERSON IS TRYING
TO EXTORT $300.00 FROM ME FOR THE RETURN OF MY OWN PET!
ALL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY ME IN THE PAST AND HAS BEEN
RECENTLY RE-POSTED BY ME IN OTT.GENERAL NEWSGROUP......PLEASE DO NOT BUY
THIS ANIMAL AS IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL HER, I.E.
"TRISH"......THE FERRET'S NAME IS PEGASSUS AND I AM THE OWNER
PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE MY PET IS
LIVING AS I PLAN TO TAKE THIS UP WITH THE POLICE THE MINUTE I HAVE THIS
TRISH'S ADDRESS
THANK YOU
I CAN BE REACHED AT L O U I Z E A T R O G E R S . C O M
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is not
being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold it
for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill incurred
while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole story
isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well for it,
I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in cases
like this, but certainly wish the best for all involved...........especially
innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
jumpingmouse & kylie
"me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
news:DKogb.243661$Lnr1.29439@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> PLEASE DO NOT BUY THE FERRET THAT TRISH IS TRYING TO SELL, IT IS MY
> DAUGHTER'S FERRET THAT I HAD PLACED TEMPORARILY WITH A FRIEND OF
> TRISH.........THIS FRIEND APPARENTLY GAVE IT TO TRISH AND ALTHOUGH I HAVE
> BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS PET BACK FOR MONTHS NOW, THIS TRISH PERSON IS
TRYING
> TO EXTORT $300.00 FROM ME FOR THE RETURN OF MY OWN PET!
>
> ALL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY ME IN THE PAST AND HAS BEEN
> RECENTLY RE-POSTED BY ME IN OTT.GENERAL NEWSGROUP......PLEASE DO NOT BUY
> THIS ANIMAL AS IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL HER, I.E.
> "TRISH"......THE FERRET'S NAME IS PEGASSUS AND I AM THE OWNER
>
> PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE MY PET IS
> LIVING AS I PLAN TO TAKE THIS UP WITH THE POLICE THE MINUTE I HAVE THIS
> TRISH'S ADDRESS
>
> THANK YOU
>
> I CAN BE REACHED AT L O U I Z E A T R O G E R S . C O M
>
>
>
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| me |
i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it returned,
it would be returned..........the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
over to someone else (i.e. trish) the very night they both came to my home
to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this arrangement with
came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back and forth
about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me pictures
of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an entire room
devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the reality
(apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved her and
was thrilled to have her
at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention pegassus was
with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her home and
sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady with her
on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she called so
that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was simply
providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up with my
pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus back, as per
our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon as she
could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped writing
and her email account was closed........although i had noted her address and
phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as i had
her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in ottawa
and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained regular
email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or anything
else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until yesterday
when i saw her post my ferret for sale
that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up between
ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day pegassus was
picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back anytime i
wanted......further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the email
exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg back,
as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her boyfriend who
is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's return
to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer exists.....that
was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had posted my
email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on my pet
or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish never
contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i was
looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and board"
but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a pleasure just
to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because she
offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned, i.e. huge
cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots and there
was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then which
ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did some pet
rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to just be
one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly paid
for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her food,
retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she really
doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she is
apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to unload her
to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email which
states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only if i am
willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the beginning,
wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley offered
to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00 pet and
all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of $120.00 on
her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this ferret
would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have suffered
while being bounced around......as i am currently a student, unemployed, i
don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never replaced
her
my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet would be
very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
gift...........i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her room alone
24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i could not
leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my dad, so
i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or temporary
care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet, but feld
reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my daughter
met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since learned that
she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me.........and
naturally that adds to her troubles......i simply want my own pet home and
this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
"jumpingmouse & kylie" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:pPrgb.1111$dn6.892@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is
not
> being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold it
> for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill
incurred
> while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole story
> isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well for
it,
> I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in cases
> like this, but certainly wish the best for all
involved...........especially
> innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
>
>
> "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> news:DKogb.243661$Lnr1.29439@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > PLEASE DO NOT BUY THE FERRET THAT TRISH IS TRYING TO SELL, IT IS MY
> > DAUGHTER'S FERRET THAT I HAD PLACED TEMPORARILY WITH A FRIEND OF
> > TRISH.........THIS FRIEND APPARENTLY GAVE IT TO TRISH AND ALTHOUGH I
HAVE
> > BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS PET BACK FOR MONTHS NOW, THIS TRISH PERSON IS
> TRYING
> > TO EXTORT $300.00 FROM ME FOR THE RETURN OF MY OWN PET!
> >
> > ALL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY ME IN THE PAST AND HAS
BEEN
> > RECENTLY RE-POSTED BY ME IN OTT.GENERAL NEWSGROUP......PLEASE DO NOT BUY
> > THIS ANIMAL AS IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL HER, I.E.
> > "TRISH"......THE FERRET'S NAME IS PEGASSUS AND I AM THE OWNER
> >
> > PLEASE CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE MY PET
IS
> > LIVING AS I PLAN TO TAKE THIS UP WITH THE POLICE THE MINUTE I HAVE THIS
> > TRISH'S ADDRESS
> >
> > THANK YOU
> >
> > I CAN BE REACHED AT L O U I Z E A T R O G E R S . C O M
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Gary |
jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
> Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is not
> being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold it
> for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill incurred
> while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole story
> isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well for it,
> I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in cases
> like this, but certainly wish the best for all involved...........especially
> innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
I've always been concerned that the guy that gave Bart and Victoria would come
and want them back, in which case, there would have to be a legal fight. They
are now family, and I've become quite attached to them.
Gary
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| Gary |
me wrote:
> i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or anything
> else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
> vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until yesterday
> when i saw her post my ferret for sale
Well, you know what that "Trish" person looks like, right? Sounds like it's time
to stake out those addresses you listed to see if she shows up at one.
BTW, many libraries carry reverse lookup phone books and other cross reference
books, so you might be able to fill in any blank spots in that list you have.
Also, you can do Google searches on those numbers and maybe find out a few more
details (I know it will give you a map to those addresses).
The moral of the story is, always get something in writing when you must
temporarily give up something. Names, dates, locations, conditions, financial
compensations, etc.
HTH,
Gary
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| Lin |
Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole thing?
"me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
returned,
> it would be returned..........
Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you wanted
the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you voluntarily
give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
>the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> over to someone else (i.e. trish)
Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to someone else),
*how*?
>the very night they both came to my home
> to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this arrangement
with
> came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back and
forth
> about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me
pictures
> of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an entire
room
> devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the
reality
> (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved her
and
> was thrilled to have her
>
> at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention pegassus
was
> with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her home and
> sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady with
her
> on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she called
so
> that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was
simply
> providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up with
my
> pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus back, as
per
> our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon as she
> could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
> pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped writing
> and her email account was closed........although i had noted her address
and
> phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as i had
> her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in ottawa
> and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained regular
> email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
>
> i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or anything
> else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
> vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
yesterday
> when i saw her post my ferret for sale
>
> that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up
between
> ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day pegassus was
> picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back anytime i
> wanted....
Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, as the old
saying goes. And if you didn't assure that you knew how to contact this
person in any means more reliable that email accts, well, that's your fault.
A person would have to be pretty gullable to fall for promises like the ones
they made you.
>further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
> where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the email
> exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg back,
> as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her boyfriend who
> is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's
return
> to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer
exists.....that
> was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had posted my
> email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on my
pet
> or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish never
> contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i was
> looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
>
> i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and board"
> but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a pleasure
just
> to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because she
> offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned, i.e. huge
> cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots and
there
> was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then which
> ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
> company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did some pet
> rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to just be
> one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly paid
> for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her food,
> retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
> month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
> care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she really
> doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she is
> apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to unload
her
> to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email which
> states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only if i
am
> willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the
beginning,
> wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
> worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley
offered
> to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
> peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00 pet
and
> all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of $120.00
on
> her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this ferret
> would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have suffered
> while being bounced around......as i am currently a student, unemployed, i
> don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never
replaced
> her
Seems to me the "bouncing" didn't start w/ these 2 people. You are the one
who gave it away, along w/ it's cage, bedding, toys, etc. The bouncing
started w/ you. And now you're concerned about what "abuse" it's suffered.
If you hadn't given it away, there would have been nothing to wonder about.
> my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet would
be
> very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
> gift...........
And you gave it away???? Nice. Real nice.
>i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
> away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her room
alone
> 24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i could not
> leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my dad,
so
> i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or temporary
> care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet, but
feld
> reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my
daughter
> met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since learned that
> she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me
No - she lost her pet for good cos *you* gave it up for adoption.
>.........and
> naturally that adds to her troubles......
I assume her "troubles" relate to being able to trust the people she depends
on?
>i simply want my own pet home and
> this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
I'm sorry you miss your ferret (sorry - your *daughter's* ferret), but you
stated quite clearly at the outset that you gave it up for adoption. If it
meant anything to you, you wouldn't have given it away - or even sold it for
money - in the first place, family circumstances or not. You don't get rid
of something when it's temporarily inconvenient to you to take care of, then
demand it back later on. You don't make verbal "agreements" w/ people who
you don't know from Adam, especially when it comes down to something as
important (as you claim) as your daughter's ferret.
I'm having a real hard time feeling sympathy for you. I feel more sympathy
for you daughter, who was the real victim here. You got rid of a pet that
supposedly meant so much to her, because it was temporarily inconvenient for
you, & now it's gone for good. The problem here is NOT the ferret.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| me |
that is not the case here, i never gave the ferret............the agreement
was it would be returned upon request........i was never consulted about any
transaction regarding my pet......it was conditional and temporary unless i
decided at some point it could become permanent
she is not even attached, she's trying to sell her for $300.00, remember?
initially i was going to sell her myself for $400.00, but trusted the person
who offered respite and now find myself having to argue its return with
someone i had no arrangement with......if she loved her and wanted to keep
her, then that would be different........but she's ready to unload her to
the first sucker who will give her whatever money she demands.....which
makes the next owner also having a pet which is stolen property, and on and
on
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F82C338.21DDD413@vcn.com...
> jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
>
> > Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is
not
> > being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold
it
> > for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill
incurred
> > while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole
story
> > isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well for
it,
> > I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in cases
> > like this, but certainly wish the best for all
involved...........especially
> > innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
> >
> > jumpingmouse & kylie
>
> I've always been concerned that the guy that gave Bart and Victoria would
come
> and want them back, in which case, there would have to be a legal fight.
They
> are now family, and I've become quite attached to them.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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| me |
well in retrospect that's a great idea, re getting a contract....but its too
late for that now
i have all the addresses for each number, so no need to go futhter with
that......although trish claims to have been at my home the day the ferret
left, i would have "seen" her for a very short time, 8 months or so
ago......my memory is not great for faces and names of people who happen to
cross my path momentarily.....i don't believe her and i were even
introduced, she sorta stood in the doorway and helped carry out the cage, i
think.......at least i do remember another female there with ashley, that's
all i remember, so looking for her in the hope of recognizing her won't help
this situation else i'd have done that by now
she knows its not a ferret i gave by virtue of the email exchange i posted
between ashley and myself, in june 2003, which she admits she saw and
read.....so she's known for quite some time ......and she prolly felt safe
advertising it on NG's as i stated a few weeks ago in another NG that i was
unsubscribing and never returning........i even thought at that time, i
would never lurk or post again......but i did lurk and when i saw the
for-sale sign i emailed her and posted so that people could be aware that
this ferret is stolen and if possible, help identify her address (if anyone
went to see pegassus or knows her address through inquiring about her via
email)
at the time that i made this arrangement, my daughter had run away from home
and my dad dying........and i knew ashley and trusted her at least as far as
the info i had on her........she adopted a cat i found once and i had no
doubt she was devoted to animals........if what trish says is true, then
that blows out of the water my theory about ashley......i still haven't
heard from ashley about any of this and have a feeling there is more to this
then what trish says
i cannot imagine ashley doing this ........i suspect perhaps trish stole her
from ashley's home during a falling out.....as trish has stated she lived
with ashley for a while and no longer speaks to her.....perhaps one day she
moved out while ashley was gone and took pegassus with her.....that would
make more sense as i don't believe ashley is the kind of person capable of
doing this
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F82C529.246635C1@vcn.com...
> me wrote:
>
> > i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or
anything
> > else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> > anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
> > vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
yesterday
> > when i saw her post my ferret for sale
>
> Well, you know what that "Trish" person looks like, right? Sounds like
it's time
> to stake out those addresses you listed to see if she shows up at one.
>
> BTW, many libraries carry reverse lookup phone books and other cross
reference
> books, so you might be able to fill in any blank spots in that list you
have.
> Also, you can do Google searches on those numbers and maybe find out a few
more
> details (I know it will give you a map to those addresses).
>
> The moral of the story is, always get something in writing when you must
> temporarily give up something. Names, dates, locations, conditions,
financial
> compensations, etc.
>
> HTH,
> Gary
>
>
>
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| Jim Higgins |
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:44:24 -0600, in
<3F82C338.21DDD413@vcn.com>, Gary <schooley@vcn.com> wrote:
>jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
>
>> Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is not
>> being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold it
>> for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill incurred
>> while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole story
>> isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well for it,
>> I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in cases
>> like this, but certainly wish the best for all involved...........especially
>> innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
>>
>> jumpingmouse & kylie
>
>I've always been concerned that the guy that gave Bart and Victoria would come
>and want them back, in which case, there would have to be a legal fight. They
>are now family, and I've become quite attached to them.
Remind us - were they given to you to keep on his behalf, or were
they just given to you outright? If the latter, he has no
further legal claim. If the former, then he owes you for their
care. I think $10 per day for boarding is reasonable and with
the time that's passed, ought to stop things pretty well dead in
their tracks.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| me |
as i stated elsewhere my dad was dying at the time and my daughter was
acting out (i.e., she ran away from home).......the ferret's care was her
responsibility, but i supervised.....i had to be out of town a lot......the
rest of my story is on the NG so i won't bother repeating it......u can make
whatever judgement u wish, however about the "problem"
my daughter the "victim"? holy **** that was a pathetic statement......my
daughter was told she could not sleep on the street one night, so she did it
anyways.......my daughter has huge issues she refuses to deal with ....she's
16 and in trouble with drugs
make THAT about me too please..........or whatever else u need to do to feel
good about u
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5ICgb.101116$xx4.16774303@twister.neo.rr.com...
> Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole thing?
>
> "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
> returned,
> > it would be returned..........
>
> Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you wanted
> the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you voluntarily
> give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
>
> >the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> > over to someone else (i.e. trish)
>
> Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to someone
else),
> *how*?
>
> >the very night they both came to my home
> > to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this arrangement
> with
> > came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back and
> forth
> > about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me
> pictures
> > of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an entire
> room
> > devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the
> reality
> > (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved her
> and
> > was thrilled to have her
> >
> > at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention pegassus
> was
> > with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her home
and
> > sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady with
> her
> > on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she called
> so
> > that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was
> simply
> > providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up with
> my
> > pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus back, as
> per
> > our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon as
she
> > could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
> > pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped
writing
> > and her email account was closed........although i had noted her address
> and
> > phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as i
had
> > her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in
ottawa
> > and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained regular
> > email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
> >
> > i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or
anything
> > else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> > anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
> > vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
> yesterday
> > when i saw her post my ferret for sale
> >
> > that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up
> between
> > ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day pegassus
was
> > picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back anytime
i
> > wanted....
>
> Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, as the old
> saying goes. And if you didn't assure that you knew how to contact this
> person in any means more reliable that email accts, well, that's your
fault.
> A person would have to be pretty gullable to fall for promises like the
ones
> they made you.
>
> >further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
> > where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the email
> > exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg
back,
> > as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her boyfriend
who
> > is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's
> return
> > to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer
> exists.....that
> > was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had posted
my
> > email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on my
> pet
> > or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish never
> > contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i was
> > looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
> >
> > i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and
board"
> > but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a pleasure
> just
> > to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because she
> > offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned, i.e.
huge
> > cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots and
> there
> > was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then which
> > ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
> > company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did some
pet
> > rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to just
be
> > one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly
paid
> > for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her food,
> > retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
> > month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
> > care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she really
> > doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she is
> > apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to unload
> her
> > to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email which
> > states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only if
i
> am
> > willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the
> beginning,
> > wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
> > worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley
> offered
> > to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
> > peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00 pet
> and
> > all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of
$120.00
> on
> > her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this
ferret
> > would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have
suffered
> > while being bounced around......as i am currently a student, unemployed,
i
> > don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never
> replaced
> > her
>
> Seems to me the "bouncing" didn't start w/ these 2 people. You are the one
> who gave it away, along w/ it's cage, bedding, toys, etc. The bouncing
> started w/ you. And now you're concerned about what "abuse" it's suffered.
> If you hadn't given it away, there would have been nothing to wonder
about.
>
> > my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet would
> be
> > very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
> > gift...........
>
> And you gave it away???? Nice. Real nice.
>
> >i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
> > away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her room
> alone
> > 24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i could
not
> > leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my dad,
> so
> > i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or
temporary
> > care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet, but
> feld
> > reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my
> daughter
> > met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since learned
that
> > she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me
>
> No - she lost her pet for good cos *you* gave it up for adoption.
>
> >.........and
> > naturally that adds to her troubles......
>
> I assume her "troubles" relate to being able to trust the people she
depends
> on?
>
> >i simply want my own pet home and
> > this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
>
> I'm sorry you miss your ferret (sorry - your *daughter's* ferret), but you
> stated quite clearly at the outset that you gave it up for adoption. If it
> meant anything to you, you wouldn't have given it away - or even sold it
for
> money - in the first place, family circumstances or not. You don't get rid
> of something when it's temporarily inconvenient to you to take care of,
then
> demand it back later on. You don't make verbal "agreements" w/ people who
> you don't know from Adam, especially when it comes down to something as
> important (as you claim) as your daughter's ferret.
>
> I'm having a real hard time feeling sympathy for you. I feel more sympathy
> for you daughter, who was the real victim here. You got rid of a pet that
> supposedly meant so much to her, because it was temporarily inconvenient
for
> you, & now it's gone for good. The problem here is NOT the ferret.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
>
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| me |
in my case, which is prolly vastly different, i offered to pay for boarding
during the time peg would be with ashley.........ashley refused to hear
about it........so now trish can't demand a cent really as my arrangement
was with ashley and i was never consulted about any change in peg's living
arrangement....nor can i reach ashley to know what in hell is going on
"Jim Higgins" <UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote in message
news:1336ovsftr5vamng9on6cb0b8im6i0qfdo@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:44:24 -0600, in
> <3F82C338.21DDD413@vcn.com>, Gary <schooley@vcn.com> wrote:
>
> >jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds like cause for civil action, unless of course the whole story is
not
> >> being told. Whatever would cause someone to keep your ferret and hold
it
> >> for ransom? Do you owe money for its care? Do you owe a vet bill
incurred
> >> while in this person's care? Somehow I"m feeling like the whole
story
> >> isn't being told here. If you truly love your ferret and care well
for it,
> >> I hope you get it back soon. I don't like to 'assume' anything in
cases
> >> like this, but certainly wish the best for all
involved........... especially
> >> innocent little Pegassus. Good luck.
> >>
> >> jumpingmouse & kylie
> >
> >I've always been concerned that the guy that gave Bart and Victoria would
come
> >and want them back, in which case, there would have to be a legal fight.
They
> >are now family, and I've become quite attached to them.
>
> Remind us - were they given to you to keep on his behalf, or were
> they just given to you outright? If the latter, he has no
> further legal claim. If the former, then he owes you for their
> care. I think $10 per day for boarding is reasonable and with
> the time that's passed, ought to stop things pretty well dead in
> their tracks.
>
> --
> Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
> icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Isotope |
I think this is a bit harsh.... I am only going by what is written, but in
my opinion it is up to the parent to instill responsibility towards animals
into the child.... by all means buy your child a pet, but if they run off
and desert it, by all means sell it. By taking over the care yourself you
are teaching that animal ownership is easy and free of responsibility. NOT a
good thing as far as I am concerned. And better to sell the ferret or adopt
it out than leave it neglected, in my opinion. I can't see any fault in this
case other than naivety. Again... .only going by what is written. My parents
may have been less than perfect, but as animal lovers they sure taught me to
be responsible and to do right by animals I choose (against their will) to
take into my care. If I had children, this is one message I would be certain
to pass on!
Isotope
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5ICgb.101116$xx4.16774303@twister.neo.rr.com...
> Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole thing?
>
> "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
> returned,
> > it would be returned..........
>
> Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you wanted
> the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you voluntarily
> give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
>
> >the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> > over to someone else (i.e. trish)
>
> Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to someone
else),
> *how*?
>
> >the very night they both came to my home
> > to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this arrangement
> with
> > came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back and
> forth
> > about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me
> pictures
> > of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an entire
> room
> > devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the
> reality
> > (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved her
> and
> > was thrilled to have her
> >
> > at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention pegassus
> was
> > with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her home
and
> > sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady with
> her
> > on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she called
> so
> > that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was
> simply
> > providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up with
> my
> > pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus back, as
> per
> > our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon as
she
> > could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
> > pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped
writing
> > and her email account was closed........although i had noted her address
> and
> > phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as i
had
> > her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in
ottawa
> > and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained regular
> > email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
> >
> > i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or
anything
> > else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> > anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley has
> > vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
> yesterday
> > when i saw her post my ferret for sale
> >
> > that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up
> between
> > ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day pegassus
was
> > picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back anytime
i
> > wanted....
>
> Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, as the old
> saying goes. And if you didn't assure that you knew how to contact this
> person in any means more reliable that email accts, well, that's your
fault.
> A person would have to be pretty gullable to fall for promises like the
ones
> they made you.
>
> >further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
> > where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the email
> > exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg
back,
> > as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her boyfriend
who
> > is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's
> return
> > to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer
> exists.....that
> > was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had posted
my
> > email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on my
> pet
> > or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish never
> > contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i was
> > looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
> >
> > i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and
board"
> > but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a pleasure
> just
> > to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because she
> > offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned, i.e.
huge
> > cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots and
> there
> > was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then which
> > ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
> > company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did some
pet
> > rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to just
be
> > one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly
paid
> > for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her food,
> > retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
> > month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
> > care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she really
> > doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she is
> > apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to unload
> her
> > to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email which
> > states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only if
i
> am
> > willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the
> beginning,
> > wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
> > worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley
> offered
> > to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
> > peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00 pet
> and
> > all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of
$120.00
> on
> > her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this
ferret
> > would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have
suffered
> > while being bounced around......as i am currently a student, unemployed,
i
> > don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never
> replaced
> > her
>
> Seems to me the "bouncing" didn't start w/ these 2 people. You are the one
> who gave it away, along w/ it's cage, bedding, toys, etc. The bouncing
> started w/ you. And now you're concerned about what "abuse" it's suffered.
> If you hadn't given it away, there would have been nothing to wonder
about.
>
> > my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet would
> be
> > very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
> > gift...........
>
> And you gave it away???? Nice. Real nice.
>
> >i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
> > away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her room
> alone
> > 24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i could
not
> > leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my dad,
> so
> > i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or
temporary
> > care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet, but
> feld
> > reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my
> daughter
> > met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since learned
that
> > she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me
>
> No - she lost her pet for good cos *you* gave it up for adoption.
>
> >.........and
> > naturally that adds to her troubles......
>
> I assume her "troubles" relate to being able to trust the people she
depends
> on?
>
> >i simply want my own pet home and
> > this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
>
> I'm sorry you miss your ferret (sorry - your *daughter's* ferret), but you
> stated quite clearly at the outset that you gave it up for adoption. If it
> meant anything to you, you wouldn't have given it away - or even sold it
for
> money - in the first place, family circumstances or not. You don't get rid
> of something when it's temporarily inconvenient to you to take care of,
then
> demand it back later on. You don't make verbal "agreements" w/ people who
> you don't know from Adam, especially when it comes down to something as
> important (as you claim) as your daughter's ferret.
>
> I'm having a real hard time feeling sympathy for you. I feel more sympathy
> for you daughter, who was the real victim here. You got rid of a pet that
> supposedly meant so much to her, because it was temporarily inconvenient
for
> you, & now it's gone for good. The problem here is NOT the ferret.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
>
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| Elaine Schmeck |
I have to agree with Lin here.
At first it was "stolen."
Then it was "adopted out with intent to sell at some point."
Then it was "adopted out with promise of return."
Then we get the sob story about her kid, her dad, and anyone else she can
think of to gain sympathy.
If she adopted the ferret out, it was no longer hers to say whether the
adoptee could sell or give it away. If she adopted the ferret out, then the
new owner can request that she pay what she is asking others for the ferret.
It is no longer "hers" and she's not entitled to it back just because she
now feels she made a mistake.
Had she sold the ferret, would she have garnered the same sympathy? I think
not. Why is this so different?
Elaine
*frettchen & tievan
"Isotope" <a.l.wolff@open.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:blvahq$dps$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> I think this is a bit harsh.... I am only going by what is written, but in
> my opinion it is up to the parent to instill responsibility towards
animals
> into the child.... by all means buy your child a pet, but if they run off
> and desert it, by all means sell it. By taking over the care yourself you
> are teaching that animal ownership is easy and free of responsibility. NOT
a
> good thing as far as I am concerned. And better to sell the ferret or
adopt
> it out than leave it neglected, in my opinion. I can't see any fault in
this
> case other than naivety. Again... .only going by what is written. My
parents
> may have been less than perfect, but as animal lovers they sure taught me
to
> be responsible and to do right by animals I choose (against their will) to
> take into my care. If I had children, this is one message I would be
certain
> to pass on!
>
> Isotope
>
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5ICgb.101116$xx4.16774303@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole
thing?
> >
> > "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> > news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > > i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
> > returned,
> > > it would be returned..........
> >
> > Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you
wanted
> > the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you voluntarily
> > give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
> >
> > >the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> > > over to someone else (i.e. trish)
> >
> > Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to someone
> else),
> > *how*?
> >
> > >the very night they both came to my home
> > > to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this arrangement
> > with
> > > came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back and
> > forth
> > > about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me
> > pictures
> > > of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an entire
> > room
> > > devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the
> > reality
> > > (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved
her
> > and
> > > was thrilled to have her
> > >
> > > at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention
pegassus
> > was
> > > with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her home
> and
> > > sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady
with
> > her
> > > on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she
called
> > so
> > > that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was
> > simply
> > > providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up
with
> > my
> > > pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus back,
as
> > per
> > > our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon as
> she
> > > could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
> > > pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped
> writing
> > > and her email account was closed........although i had noted her
address
> > and
> > > phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as i
> had
> > > her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in
> ottawa
> > > and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained
regular
> > > email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
> > >
> > > i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or
> anything
> > > else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> > > anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley
has
> > > vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
> > yesterday
> > > when i saw her post my ferret for sale
> > >
> > > that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up
> > between
> > > ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day pegassus
> was
> > > picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back
anytime
> i
> > > wanted....
> >
> > Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, as the old
> > saying goes. And if you didn't assure that you knew how to contact this
> > person in any means more reliable that email accts, well, that's your
> fault.
> > A person would have to be pretty gullable to fall for promises like the
> ones
> > they made you.
> >
> > >further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
> > > where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the
email
> > > exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg
> back,
> > > as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her boyfriend
> who
> > > is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's
> > return
> > > to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer
> > exists.....that
> > > was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had
posted
> my
> > > email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on
my
> > pet
> > > or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish
never
> > > contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i was
> > > looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
> > >
> > > i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and
> board"
> > > but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a
pleasure
> > just
> > > to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because
she
> > > offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned, i.e.
> huge
> > > cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots and
> > there
> > > was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then
which
> > > ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
> > > company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did some
> pet
> > > rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to just
> be
> > > one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly
> paid
> > > for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her
food,
> > > retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
> > > month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
> > > care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she really
> > > doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she is
> > > apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to
unload
> > her
> > > to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email which
> > > states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only
if
> i
> > am
> > > willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the
> > beginning,
> > > wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
> > > worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley
> > offered
> > > to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
> > > peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00
pet
> > and
> > > all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of
> $120.00
> > on
> > > her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this
> ferret
> > > would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have
> suffered
> > > while being bounced around......as i am currently a student,
unemployed,
> i
> > > don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never
> > replaced
> > > her
> >
> > Seems to me the "bouncing" didn't start w/ these 2 people. You are the
one
> > who gave it away, along w/ it's cage, bedding, toys, etc. The bouncing
> > started w/ you. And now you're concerned about what "abuse" it's
suffered.
> > If you hadn't given it away, there would have been nothing to wonder
> about.
> >
> > > my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet
would
> > be
> > > very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
> > > gift...........
> >
> > And you gave it away???? Nice. Real nice.
> >
> > >i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
> > > away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her room
> > alone
> > > 24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i could
> not
> > > leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my
dad,
> > so
> > > i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or
> temporary
> > > care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet,
but
> > feld
> > > reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my
> > daughter
> > > met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since learned
> that
> > > she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me
> >
> > No - she lost her pet for good cos *you* gave it up for adoption.
> >
> > >.........and
> > > naturally that adds to her troubles......
> >
> > I assume her "troubles" relate to being able to trust the people she
> depends
> > on?
> >
> > >i simply want my own pet home and
> > > this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
> >
> > I'm sorry you miss your ferret (sorry - your *daughter's* ferret), but
you
> > stated quite clearly at the outset that you gave it up for adoption. If
it
> > meant anything to you, you wouldn't have given it away - or even sold it
> for
> > money - in the first place, family circumstances or not. You don't get
rid
> > of something when it's temporarily inconvenient to you to take care of,
> then
> > demand it back later on. You don't make verbal "agreements" w/ people
who
> > you don't know from Adam, especially when it comes down to something as
> > important (as you claim) as your daughter's ferret.
> >
> > I'm having a real hard time feeling sympathy for you. I feel more
sympathy
> > for you daughter, who was the real victim here. You got rid of a pet
that
> > supposedly meant so much to her, because it was temporarily inconvenient
> for
> > you, & now it's gone for good. The problem here is NOT the ferret.
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
> >
>
>
|
|
|
| me |
it was never adopted out.......it was placed in temporary care,
period.....no sympathy expected, i was explaining the circumstances of this
arrangement and how it got twisted into something else without anyone
consulting me
"Elaine Schmeck" <eschmeck@knology.net> wrote in message
news:vo6ed4t4r1e73d@corp.supernews.com...
> I have to agree with Lin here.
> At first it was "stolen."
> Then it was "adopted out with intent to sell at some point."
> Then it was "adopted out with promise of return."
> Then we get the sob story about her kid, her dad, and anyone else she can
> think of to gain sympathy.
>
> If she adopted the ferret out, it was no longer hers to say whether the
> adoptee could sell or give it away. If she adopted the ferret out, then
the
> new owner can request that she pay what she is asking others for the
ferret.
> It is no longer "hers" and she's not entitled to it back just because she
> now feels she made a mistake.
> Had she sold the ferret, would she have garnered the same sympathy? I
think
> not. Why is this so different?
> Elaine
> *frettchen & tievan
>
> "Isotope" <a.l.wolff@open.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:blvahq$dps$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > I think this is a bit harsh.... I am only going by what is written, but
in
> > my opinion it is up to the parent to instill responsibility towards
> animals
> > into the child.... by all means buy your child a pet, but if they run
off
> > and desert it, by all means sell it. By taking over the care yourself
you
> > are teaching that animal ownership is easy and free of responsibility.
NOT
> a
> > good thing as far as I am concerned. And better to sell the ferret or
> adopt
> > it out than leave it neglected, in my opinion. I can't see any fault in
> this
> > case other than naivety. Again... .only going by what is written. My
> parents
> > may have been less than perfect, but as animal lovers they sure taught
me
> to
> > be responsible and to do right by animals I choose (against their will)
to
> > take into my care. If I had children, this is one message I would be
> certain
> > to pass on!
> >
> > Isotope
> >
> >
> > "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ICgb.101116$xx4.16774303@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole
> thing?
> > >
> > > "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > > > i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
> > > returned,
> > > > it would be returned..........
> > >
> > > Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you
> wanted
> > > the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you
voluntarily
> > > give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
> > >
> > > >the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> > > > over to someone else (i.e. trish)
> > >
> > > Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to someone
> > else),
> > > *how*?
> > >
> > > >the very night they both came to my home
> > > > to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this
arrangement
> > > with
> > > > came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back
and
> > > forth
> > > > about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent me
> > > pictures
> > > > of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an
entire
> > > room
> > > > devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed the
> > > reality
> > > > (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her, loved
> her
> > > and
> > > > was thrilled to have her
> > > >
> > > > at no time did ashlea (the person who adopted pegassus) mention
> pegassus
> > > was
> > > > with someone else, in fact, she told me she was with her, in her
home
> > and
> > > > sent pictures described above.......although there was another lady
> with
> > > her
> > > > on the night she picked her up, she told me this was a friend she
> called
> > > so
> > > > that she could get a drive from her and pick pegassus up.....she was
> > > simply
> > > > providing transportation - i had no idea this "friend" would end up
> with
> > > my
> > > > pet........a couple of months later i asked ashlea for pegassus
back,
> as
> > > per
> > > > our agreement and she wrote to me that she would return her as soon
as
> > she
> > > > could break it to her boyfriend as he had become quite attached to
> > > > pegassus...........after a few emails putting me off, she stopped
> > writing
> > > > and her email account was closed........although i had noted her
> address
> > > and
> > > > phone number, i misplaced it and not having it never bothered me as
i
> > had
> > > > her email address - originally, she was always on the newsgroup in
> > ottawa
> > > > and i suspected no dishonesty on her part, as we had maintained
> regular
> > > > email contact up until the point i asked for pegassus back
> > > >
> > > > i don't know where trish lives, whether trish is her real name or
> > anything
> > > > else about her........i can't call the cops, take her to court or do
> > > > anything until i have her real name and her address..........ashley
> has
> > > > vanished and i never heard about this trish as the new owner until
> > > yesterday
> > > > when i saw her post my ferret for sale
> > > >
> > > > that is the whole story......any other story is something cooked up
> > > between
> > > > ashley and trish..........since trish was at my home the day
pegassus
> > was
> > > > picked up, she should have heard ashley offer to bring her back
> anytime
> > i
> > > > wanted....
> > >
> > > Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on, as the old
> > > saying goes. And if you didn't assure that you knew how to contact
this
> > > person in any means more reliable that email accts, well, that's your
> > fault.
> > > A person would have to be pretty gullable to fall for promises like
the
> > ones
> > > they made you.
> > >
> > > >further trish admits to have seen my many posts on ott.general
> > > > where i am looking for my ferret and ashley and where i posted the
> email
> > > > exchange between ashley and myself wherein she states i can have peg
> > back,
> > > > as soon as she breaks the news of my wanting her back to her
boyfriend
> > who
> > > > is now seriously attached to her......i also posted the postmaster's
> > > return
> > > > to my last email to her, wherein her email account no longer
> > > exists.....that
> > > > was back in june 2003 and trish admits she saw these ......i had
> posted
> > my
> > > > email address in june 2003 and asked that anyone with information on
> my
> > > pet
> > > > or ashley get in touch with me as i wanted her return........trish
> never
> > > > contacted me although she knew at that point, fully well, that i
was
> > > > looking for pegassus and that ashley had promised to return her
> > > >
> > > > i owe nothing for its care.......i had offered to pay for "room and
> > board"
> > > > but ashley said it was unnecessary as it would apparently be a
> pleasure
> > > just
> > > > to have pegassus for whatever time she needed her care.......because
> she
> > > > offered to return her, i let her take everything pegassus owned,
i.e.
> > huge
> > > > cage, harness, dishes, toys, etc.......pegassus had all her shots
and
> > > there
> > > > was nothing needed for her case except a bag of food now and then
> which
> > > > ashley was aparently happy to provide in exchange for the pet's
> > > > company.......ashley was a former employee of a pet store and did
some
> > pet
> > > > rescues.....her home was full of small animals, this was going to
just
> > be
> > > > one more and perhaps only for a short time.......i would have gladly
> > paid
> > > > for peg's food, had i been asked.....and i would still pay for her
> food,
> > > > retroactively.........i know what this costs, about $10-15 per
> > > > month............that is all it would have cost trish for her
> > > > care...........however, as trish stated in this newsgroup, she
really
> > > > doesn't care about peg all that much, preferring her rabbit.....she
is
> > > > apparently looking for a good loving home for peg, and wants to
> unload
> > > her
> > > > to the first person who coughs up $300.00.......i have her email
which
> > > > states she wants to return her to me, the "original owner", but only
> if
> > i
> > > am
> > > > willing to pay yet another $300.00 for her.........i had, in the
> > > beginning,
> > > > wanted to sell pegassus for $400.00 which was closer to what she was
> > > > worth........i changed my mind about selling pegassus because ashley
> > > offered
> > > > to take her temporarily and i thought her to be a good place for
> > > > peg.........so at the end of the day this trish person got a $400.00
> pet
> > > and
> > > > all the trimmings, cared for her 8 months, spent perhaps a max of
> > $120.00
> > > on
> > > > her and is trying to extort $300.00 out of me......which means this
> > ferret
> > > > would cost me $700.00 and i don't know what abuse she might have
> > suffered
> > > > while being bounced around......as i am currently a student,
> unemployed,
> > i
> > > > don't have the extra $300.00 to pay for a pet, which is why i never
> > > replaced
> > > > her
> > >
> > > Seems to me the "bouncing" didn't start w/ these 2 people. You are the
> one
> > > who gave it away, along w/ it's cage, bedding, toys, etc. The bouncing
> > > started w/ you. And now you're concerned about what "abuse" it's
> suffered.
> > > If you hadn't given it away, there would have been nothing to wonder
> > about.
> > >
> > > > my teen is a troubled youth who connects with animals and this pet
> would
> > > be
> > > > very therapeutic for her........it was after all, her birthday
> > > > gift...........
> > >
> > > And you gave it away???? Nice. Real nice.
> > >
> > > >i looked for a home for pegassus weeks after my daughter ran
> > > > away from home to live on the streets and peg was sitting in her
room
> > > alone
> > > > 24/7...........since my dad was dying and he was out of town, i
could
> > not
> > > > leave peg alone as i had to be frequently out of town to be with my
> dad,
> > > so
> > > > i looked to sell her, not knowing i could find room and board or
> > temporary
> > > > care for her........my daughter has since regretted losing her pet,
> but
> > > feld
> > > > reassured that we could get her back on demand, as promised......my
> > > daughter
> > > > met ashley and felt ok with the arrangement.....she has since
learned
> > that
> > > > she apparently lost her pet for good due to ashley's lying to me
> > >
> > > No - she lost her pet for good cos *you* gave it up for adoption.
> > >
> > > >.........and
> > > > naturally that adds to her troubles......
> > >
> > > I assume her "troubles" relate to being able to trust the people she
> > depends
> > > on?
> > >
> > > >i simply want my own pet home and
> > > > this is the entire story, for whatever anyone wants to do with it
> > >
> > > I'm sorry you miss your ferret (sorry - your *daughter's* ferret), but
> you
> > > stated quite clearly at the outset that you gave it up for adoption.
If
> it
> > > meant anything to you, you wouldn't have given it away - or even sold
it
> > for
> > > money - in the first place, family circumstances or not. You don't get
> rid
> > > of something when it's temporarily inconvenient to you to take care
of,
> > then
> > > demand it back later on. You don't make verbal "agreements" w/ people
> who
> > > you don't know from Adam, especially when it comes down to something
as
> > > important (as you claim) as your daughter's ferret.
> > >
> > > I'm having a real hard time feeling sympathy for you. I feel more
> sympathy
> > > for you daughter, who was the real victim here. You got rid of a pet
> that
> > > supposedly meant so much to her, because it was temporarily
inconvenient
> > for
> > > you, & now it's gone for good. The problem here is NOT the ferret.
> > >
> > > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
|
|
|
| Lin |
"me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
news:DyHgb.139002$3r1.38102@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> it was never adopted out.......it was placed in temporary care,
> period.....no sympathy expected, i was explaining the circumstances of
this
> arrangement and how it got twisted into something else without anyone
> consulting me
>
And I quote directly from the original post:
""me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
returned,
> it would be returned.........."
Make up your mind as to what you're telling us you did, than stick to your
story.
You gave away your daughter's ferret - period. It's no longer yours.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law. The current owner wants to sell it. You
have no control over that.
I think you screwed the pooch, & that's all there is to it. Sorry if you
don't like my opinion, but that's life.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
> "Elaine Schmeck" <eschmeck@knology.net> wrote in message
> news:vo6ed4t4r1e73d@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have to agree with Lin here.
> > At first it was "stolen."
> > Then it was "adopted out with intent to sell at some point."
> > Then it was "adopted out with promise of return."
> > Then we get the sob story about her kid, her dad, and anyone else she
can
> > think of to gain sympathy.
> >
> > If she adopted the ferret out, it was no longer hers to say whether the
> > adoptee could sell or give it away. If she adopted the ferret out, then
> the
> > new owner can request that she pay what she is asking others for the
> ferret.
> > It is no longer "hers" and she's not entitled to it back just because
she
> > now feels she made a mistake.
> > Had she sold the ferret, would she have garnered the same sympathy? I
> think
> > not. Why is this so different?
> > Elaine
> > *frettchen & tievan
> >
> > "Isotope" <a.l.wolff@open.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:blvahq$dps$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > > I think this is a bit harsh.... I am only going by what is written,
but
> in
> > > my opinion it is up to the parent to instill responsibility towards
> > animals
> > > into the child.... by all means buy your child a pet, but if they run
> off
> > > and desert it, by all means sell it. By taking over the care yourself
> you
> > > are teaching that animal ownership is easy and free of responsibility.
> NOT
> > a
> > > good thing as far as I am concerned. And better to sell the ferret or
> > adopt
> > > it out than leave it neglected, in my opinion. I can't see any fault
in
> > this
> > > case other than naivety. Again... .only going by what is written. My
> > parents
> > > may have been less than perfect, but as animal lovers they sure taught
> me
> > to
> > > be responsible and to do right by animals I choose (against their
will)
> to
> > > take into my care. If I had children, this is one message I would be
> > certain
> > > to pass on!
> > >
> > > Isotope
> > >
> > >
> > > "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5ICgb.101116$xx4.16774303@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > Is it just *me*, or does something not sound right about this whole
> > thing?
> > > >
> > > > "me" <whocares@whocares.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:hoygb.135799$3r1.92336@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > > > > i let someone adopt my pet and had the proviso that if i wanted it
> > > > returned,
> > > > > it would be returned..........
> > > >
> > > > Why did you give it up for adoption in the first place? Either you
> > wanted
> > > > the ferret, or you didn't. If something is *yours*, then you
> voluntarily
> > > > give it away, it seems it's no longer *yours*.
> > > >
> > > > >the lady i let adopt it seems to have given it
> > > > > over to someone else (i.e. trish)
> > > >
> > > > Which is different from what you did (ie, give your ferret to
someone
> > > else),
> > > > *how*?
> > > >
> > > > >the very night they both came to my home
> > > > > to pick pegassus up......in fact the person who i had this
> arrangement
> > > > with
> > > > > came recommended by the adopt-a-ferret agency and we emailed back
> and
> > > > forth
> > > > > about my ferret in the weeks following this "adoption", she sent
me
> > > > pictures
> > > > > of herself with pegassus in her arms and she told me she had an
> entire
> > > > room
> > > > > devoted to letting pegassus play, in other words she constructed
the
> > > > reality
> > > > > (apparently) and led me to believe she had pegassus with her,
loved | | | |
