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| Dark Jewel |
My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
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| Gary |
Dark Jewel wrote:
> My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
Orally, you can use a syringe (no needle) and squirt liquid in the corner
of her mouth, slowly, so she doesn't choke. They can also be hydrated
with a needle under their skin, but I don't know anything about the right
way to do that.
HTH,
Gary
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| Jim Higgins |
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:22:25 -0700, in
<ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com>, Dark Jewel
<DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
>somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
>how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
>time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
>Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
>http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
If she's not sick and weak, she should drink on her own.
If she's too weak to drink on her own, I'd take her to a vet.
Yes, I'd give water with a syringe, but I'd still take her to a
vet.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Isotope |
Somone on this group once suggested something for me, when my Trav was sick
with diarrhea and I was worried about dehydration. I think it was called
pedialyte? I couldn't get that here so I used something called dioralyte.
You can put a little in the water and you can get it from the pharmacy for
treating kids. But I can't remember how much you should use. Sorry :o(
Someone help me out here!
On the positive side, I should think she will recover fine for just a short
time without food and water, if she was quite cool during this time.
Isotope
"Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
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| Melissa Smith |
> Somone on this group once suggested something for me, when my Trav was
sick
> with diarrhea and I was worried about dehydration. I think it was called
> pedialyte? I couldn't get that here so I used something called dioralyte.
When my little girl was dehydrated, the vet took me aside and said "Ferrets
never seem to like pedialyte, and it's expensive. Just get some Gatorade in
a flavour they like and give it to them." It works wonderfully. She liked
one of the cool blue flavours, IIRC. I used it straight for the first few
days, then added some to her water for the next week or so to encourage her
to drink on her own.
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| Jim Higgins |
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:03:00 -0400, in
<RpGeb.3723$Tu2.557969@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Melissa Smith"
<melskunk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Somone on this group once suggested something for me,
>> when my Trav was sick with diarrhea and I was worried
>> about dehydration. I think it was called pedialyte? I couldn't
>> get that here so I used something called dioralyte.
>
>When my little girl was dehydrated, the vet took me aside and
>said "Ferrets never seem to like pedialyte, and it's expensive.
>Just get some Gatorade in a flavour they like and give it to them."
>It works wonderfully. She liked one of the cool blue flavours, IIRC.
>I used it straight for the first few days, then added some to her
>water for the next week or so to encourage her to drink on her own.
Dehydration due to water deprivation and dehydration due to
diarrhea or perspiration (I know ferrets don't sweat) are two
different things and need to be treated differently. Water with
added electrolytes is for an animal that has lost water and
minerals via perspiration or diarrhea or similar means that loses
minerals along with the water. An animal that has lost only
water via respiration and water deprivation only needs plain
water... and probably should receive only plain water. The only
need I see for electrolytes in this case is if the water must be
given subcutaneously, then a properly balanced solution is less
painful than pure water.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Melissa Smith |
> Dehydration due to water deprivation and dehydration due to
> diarrhea or perspiration (I know ferrets don't sweat) are two
> different things and need to be treated differently.
Ahh!
Well, live and learn! :) I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever stuck in this
situation as well.
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| Lin |
I use Pedialyte in a couple different ways. I mix it in w/ duck soup when I
need to give it for whatever reason, & during those same times, I've mixed
it in w/ their water. I've used 20% Pedialyte/80% water w/ no problems. They
only drink as much as they need at any given time anyway, so there was no
worries about them getting too much.
Just my experience......
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
"Isotope" <a.l.wolff@open.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Somone on this group once suggested something for me, when my Trav was
sick
> with diarrhea and I was worried about dehydration. I think it was called
> pedialyte? I couldn't get that here so I used something called dioralyte.
> You can put a little in the water and you can get it from the pharmacy for
> treating kids. But I can't remember how much you should use. Sorry :o(
> Someone help me out here!
>
> On the positive side, I should think she will recover fine for just a
short
> time without food and water, if she was quite cool during this time.
>
> Isotope
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> "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> > My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> > somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> > how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> > time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> > Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> > http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
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| Cap |
My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it can
be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
"Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
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| Gary |
Jim Higgins wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:03:00 -0400, in
> <RpGeb.3723$Tu2.557969@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Melissa Smith"
> <melskunk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Somone on this group once suggested something for me,
> >> when my Trav was sick with diarrhea and I was worried
> >> about dehydration. I think it was called pedialyte? I couldn't
> >> get that here so I used something called dioralyte.
> >
> >When my little girl was dehydrated, the vet took me aside and
> >said "Ferrets never seem to like pedialyte, and it's expensive.
> >Just get some Gatorade in a flavour they like and give it to them."
> >It works wonderfully. She liked one of the cool blue flavours, IIRC.
> >I used it straight for the first few days, then added some to her
> >water for the next week or so to encourage her to drink on her own.
>
> Dehydration due to water deprivation and dehydration due to
> diarrhea or perspiration (I know ferrets don't sweat) are two
> different things and need to be treated differently. Water with
> added electrolytes is for an animal that has lost water and
> minerals via perspiration or diarrhea or similar means that loses
> minerals along with the water. An animal that has lost only
> water via respiration and water deprivation only needs plain
> water... and probably should receive only plain water. The only
> need I see for electrolytes in this case is if the water must be
> given subcutaneously, then a properly balanced solution is less
> painful than pure water.
>
> --
> Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
> icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
I remember after a bout of food poisoning, that Gatorade was the only
thing I could keep down, and it worked wonders. But, that was for the
dehydration you mentioned in conjunction with diarrhea.
Gary
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| Lin |
"Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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> My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
> It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it
can
> be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
And they're really not that hard to do, other than the fact that ferrets (as
most animals) have thicker skin than humans, & lots of people are too
squeamish to actually *try* the injection. I've never injected a ferret, but
I did a lot of sub-q, IM, & IP injections on mice & rats in college. IP's
are definitely the hardest to do on an animal w/ a righting reflex. None of
them are difficult at all, once you get over the first one.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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> "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> > My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> > somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> > how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> > time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> > Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> > http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
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| Gary |
Cap wrote:
> My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
> It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it can
> be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
Do they scream when you poke them? I remember my first ferret decades ago had to
get a shot for a cold, and he screamed when she did it. If that were the case,
*I* could never do it. Just one scream, and the subsequent nightmares about it,
and that would be the end of that!
Gary
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| Gary |
Lin wrote:
> "Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
> news:2cJeb.2168771$Bf5.303989@news.easynews.com...
> > My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
> > It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it
> can
> > be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> > Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> > video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
>
> And they're really not that hard to do, other than the fact that ferrets (as
> most animals) have thicker skin than humans, & lots of people are too
> squeamish to actually *try* the injection. I've never injected a ferret, but
> I did a lot of sub-q, IM, & IP injections on mice & rats in college. IP's
> are definitely the hardest to do on an animal w/ a righting reflex. None of
> them are difficult at all, once you get over the first one.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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> >
> > "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> > > My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday. She
> > > somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> > > how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> > > time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> > > Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> > > http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
> >
> >
I remember seeing pics of Jean doing that to little SnoCap (before she died),
and she made it look easy and SnoCap didn't seem to mind. But, the only way *I*
could ever do anything like that, is with LOTS of experience first watching a
vet do it, then *maybe* starting to help a little. And, since I doubt that I
will ever work for a vet, I don't think I could ever learn to do it. I would be
TERRIFIED of breaking a needle or poking the wrong place. *cringe!*
Gary
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That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's in you
can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting it with
the needle if it squirms around some.
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F7B9FA2.5227666D@vcn.com...
> I remember seeing pics of Jean doing that to little SnoCap (before she
died),
> and she made it look easy and SnoCap didn't seem to mind. But, the only
way *I*
> could ever do anything like that, is with LOTS of experience first
watching a
> vet do it, then *maybe* starting to help a little. And, since I doubt that
I
> will ever work for a vet, I don't think I could ever learn to do it. I
would be
> TERRIFIED of breaking a needle or poking the wrong place. *cringe!*
>
> Gary
>
>
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
You'd be surprised what you can do when one of your babies needs somethign
done that will save his/her life, Gary. I learned to do things that I
thought I'd never even be able to watch someone else do, let alone do it
myself several times a day. It's all about love and dedication......really
it is.
jumpingmouse & kylie
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F7B9FA2.5227666D@vcn.com...
> Lin wrote:
>
> > "Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
> > news:2cJeb.2168771$Bf5.303989@news.easynews.com...
> > > My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q
fluids.
> > > It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy
it
> > can
> > > be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> > > Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a
small
> > > video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
> >
> > And they're really not that hard to do, other than the fact that ferrets
(as
> > most animals) have thicker skin than humans, & lots of people are too
> > squeamish to actually *try* the injection. I've never injected a ferret,
but
> > I did a lot of sub-q, IM, & IP injections on mice & rats in college.
IP's
> > are definitely the hardest to do on an animal w/ a righting reflex. None
of
> > them are difficult at all, once you get over the first one.
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> > >
> > > "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> > > > My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday.
She
> > > > somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> > > > how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> > > > time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> > > > Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> > > > http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
> > >
> > >
>
> I remember seeing pics of Jean doing that to little SnoCap (before she
died),
> and she made it look easy and SnoCap didn't seem to mind. But, the only
way *I*
> could ever do anything like that, is with LOTS of experience first
watching a
> vet do it, then *maybe* starting to help a little. And, since I doubt that
I
> will ever work for a vet, I don't think I could ever learn to do it. I
would be
> TERRIFIED of breaking a needle or poking the wrong place. *cringe!*
>
> Gary
>
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| Isotope |
"Jim Higgins" <UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote in message
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>
> Dehydration due to water deprivation and dehydration due to
> diarrhea or perspiration (I know ferrets don't sweat) are two
> different things and need to be treated differently. Water with
> added electrolytes is for an animal that has lost water and
> minerals via perspiration or diarrhea or similar means that loses
> minerals along with the water. An animal that has lost only
> water via respiration and water deprivation only needs plain
> water... and probably should receive only plain water. The only
> need I see for electrolytes in this case is if the water must be
> given subcutaneously, then a properly balanced solution is less
> painful than pure water.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for setting me straight on that... I hadn't thought
of it from that point of view!
Isotope
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| Melissa |
Just adding to the thread, not a specific response to anyone:
see http://home.att.net/~The_Ferrets
for how to give sub-q to a ferret at home.
-Melissa
In article <GmNeb.5315911$mA4.755075@news.easynews.com>,
"Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote:
> That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's in you
> can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting it with
> the needle if it squirms around some.
>
> "Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F7B9FA2.5227666D@vcn.com...
> > I remember seeing pics of Jean doing that to little SnoCap (before she
> died),
> > and she made it look easy and SnoCap didn't seem to mind. But, the only
> way *I*
> > could ever do anything like that, is with LOTS of experience first
> watching a
> > vet do it, then *maybe* starting to help a little. And, since I doubt that
> I
> > will ever work for a vet, I don't think I could ever learn to do it. I
> would be
> > TERRIFIED of breaking a needle or poking the wrong place. *cringe!*
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
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| Melissa |
-and I'll add to my last post...
the trick is to always give a "smearable" treat like nutrical or if
there's a blood sugar problem, then oil or ferretone. I've never had
problems sub-q-ing any ferret. No screaming no fussing no pain, no
struggling or fighting to get away. Sure they were a little
confused/curious about what the heck I was doing the first few times,
but once directed back to the treat that was much more interesting to
them and they accepted the "bribe" and let me keep going. -of course I
also always had exceptionally brilliant ferrets ;)
-Melissa
PS: It really didn't sound to me like sub-q was needed in this case. Of
course none of us knew the real details, but if the ferret was otherwise
ok once rescued from under the bed, it could eat and rehydrate itself
w/o extra measures. If it was ill or elderly and on the verge of
collapse from the experience that's a different story, but then a vet
visit would have been more in order asap. -again, just IMO.
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Cap wrote:
> That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's in you
> can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting it with
> the needle if it squirms around some.
OIC. That must be like when I got cortisone shots in my shoulder; sis (a nurse)
made sure the doc used a certain gauge needle and it didn't hurt at all. I had
always heard horror stories about how bad those hurt, but with a small needle,
it was painless.
Thanks.
Gary
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jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
> You'd be surprised what you can do when one of your babies needs somethign
> done that will save his/her life, Gary. I learned to do things that I
> thought I'd never even be able to watch someone else do, let alone do it
> myself several times a day. It's all about love and dedication......really
> it is.
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
I know what you're saying, but my concern would be not killing them myself!
Gary
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| Jim Higgins |
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:07:48 -0600, in
<3F7B9684.4A02742D@vcn.com>, Gary <schooley@vcn.com> wrote:
>Cap wrote:
>
>> My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
>> It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it can
>> be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
>> Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
>> video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
>
>Do they scream when you poke them? I remember my first ferret
>decades ago had to get a shot for a cold, and he screamed when
>she did it. If that were the case, *I* could never do it. Just one
>scream, and the subsequent nightmares about it, and that
>would be the end of that!
One would think that the overriding thought that you may be
saving that ferret's life would win out over the reaction to that
blood curdling sound they can make. Any other reaction purely
and simply is not a very good survival trait. You do what you
need to do and then you live with the rest. Trust me, your life
will go on either way so if it comes down to it give the ferret
the same chance.
It's the same for most parents who take a small child to the
doctor. If an injection is needed the child is going to cry or
even scream. No one wants to see their child hurt, but good
parents make sure the the child gets proper care vs caving in to
their surface emotions.
My Binkey gets an injection of Lasix daily. He doesn't scream,
but after several months of it he knows it's coming and he'd
prefer to avoid it. Too bad - what he wants doesn't enter into
it at this point. I put some Ferretone on a tabletop, let him
start lapping it, pull up a piece of skin and it's all over in a
second. Of course that's a 30-guage needle - way too small for
sub-Q hydration. Still, you do what you have to do when the time
comes and live with any nightmares later. It's better than the
nightmare where you dream you didn't do what was necessary when
you had the chance. Maybe looking at it that way will help if
the time ever comes for you.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Gary |
Jim Higgins wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:07:48 -0600, in
> <3F7B9684.4A02742D@vcn.com>, Gary <schooley@vcn.com> wrote:
>
> >Cap wrote:
> >
> >> My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q fluids.
> >> It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy it can
> >> be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> >> Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> >> video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
> >
> >Do they scream when you poke them? I remember my first ferret
> >decades ago had to get a shot for a cold, and he screamed when
> >she did it. If that were the case, *I* could never do it. Just one
> >scream, and the subsequent nightmares about it, and that
> >would be the end of that!
>
> One would think that the overriding thought that you may be
> saving that ferret's life would win out over the reaction to that
> blood curdling sound they can make. Any other reaction purely
> and simply is not a very good survival trait. You do what you
> need to do and then you live with the rest. Trust me, your life
> will go on either way so if it comes down to it give the ferret
> the same chance.
>
> It's the same for most parents who take a small child to the
> doctor. If an injection is needed the child is going to cry or
> even scream. No one wants to see their child hurt, but good
> parents make sure the the child gets proper care vs caving in to
> their surface emotions.
>
> My Binkey gets an injection of Lasix daily. He doesn't scream,
> but after several months of it he knows it's coming and he'd
> prefer to avoid it. Too bad - what he wants doesn't enter into
> it at this point. I put some Ferretone on a tabletop, let him
> start lapping it, pull up a piece of skin and it's all over in a
> second. Of course that's a 30-guage needle - way too small for
> sub-Q hydration. Still, you do what you have to do when the time
> comes and live with any nightmares later. It's better than the
> nightmare where you dream you didn't do what was necessary when
> you had the chance. Maybe looking at it that way will help if
> the time ever comes for you.
>
> --
> Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
> icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
I don't disagree with you, and can fully understand what you are saying. But, it
would just be hard for *me* to get used to the concept; I don't trust myself to do
it right, and wouldn't until/unless I had professional training and initial
supervision, period. Maybe I'm just an emotional wimp, but that's how I feel.
Gary
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| Princebilly1 |
Just my little penneth worth.
If she got out of the cage yesterday and you are writing this today then
roughly calculate how long she was there. Obviously not more than 24 hours
Did you not check on her last night or this morning.
I think she will be just fine but it suggests to me you may wanna check on her
more often and if not make her cage a little more secure if possible
I am not critisising just trying to help.
steve
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| Cap |
There's nothing to it, and it can be a life saving thing to know how to do.
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F7C29F7.A139E35@vcn.com...
> I don't disagree with you, and can fully understand what you are saying.
But, it
> would just be hard for *me* to get used to the concept; I don't trust
myself to do
> it right, and wouldn't until/unless I had professional training and
initial
> supervision, period. Maybe I'm just an emotional wimp, but that's how I
feel.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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| Celtic Ferret |
Ringers are easy to get under the skin. No harder than administering a
distemper shot.
Ringers have been the difference between having a ferret live through the
night.
When Donovan was sick, I had to administer rngers under his skin along his
spine. He was very unhappy. I called the vet daily to give him progress
report.
I worry most about my older ferrets. Then ringers may not be enough.
KG
"Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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> There's nothing to it, and it can be a life saving thing to know how to
do.
>
> "Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message
news:3F7C29F7.A139E35@vcn.com...
> > I don't disagree with you, and can fully understand what you are saying.
> But, it
> > would just be hard for *me* to get used to the concept; I don't trust
> myself to do
> > it right, and wouldn't until/unless I had professional training and
> initial
> > supervision, period. Maybe I'm just an emotional wimp, but that's how I
> feel.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
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| Lin |
"Gary" <schooley@vcn.com> wrote in message news:3F7B9FA2.5227666D@vcn.com...
> Lin wrote:
>
> > "Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
> > news:2cJeb.2168771$Bf5.303989@news.easynews.com...
> > > My opinion is that anyone with ferrets should learn to give sub-q
fluids.
> > > It's not hard to do, and in the middle of the night with no vet handy
it
> > can
> > > be a lifesaver for a sick fuzz. Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> > > Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a
small
> > > video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
> >
> > And they're really not that hard to do, other than the fact that ferrets
(as
> > most animals) have thicker skin than humans, & lots of people are too
> > squeamish to actually *try* the injection. I've never injected a ferret,
but
> > I did a lot of sub-q, IM, & IP injections on mice & rats in college.
IP's
> > are definitely the hardest to do on an animal w/ a righting reflex. None
of
> > them are difficult at all, once you get over the first one.
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> > >
> > > "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ou2mnvgld2ggqu54jltq4u7e27r62krjs1@4ax.com...
> > > > My problem is Dixi my little girl got out of her cage yesterday.
She
> > > > somehow got under the bed and could not get back out. I do not know
> > > > how long she was under the bed. I do know that for that amount of
> > > > time she did not have any food or drink. How do I rehydrated her?
> > > > Dark Jewel with Pixi and Dixi
> > > > http://members.cox.net/darkjewel/
> > >
> > >
>
> I remember seeing pics of Jean doing that to little SnoCap (before she
died),
> and she made it look easy and SnoCap didn't seem to mind. But, the only
way *I*
> could ever do anything like that, is with LOTS of experience first
watching a
> vet do it, then *maybe* starting to help a little. And, since I doubt that
I
> will ever work for a vet, I don't think I could ever learn to do it. I
would be
> TERRIFIED of breaking a needle or poking the wrong place. *cringe!*
Breaking a needle is a really rare occurance. The *only* time I ever heard
of *anyone* breaking a needle was when my Mom had double pneumonia right
after having had a toxic thyroid removed - thus, weighing about 85 lbs - &
the stupid nurse gave her a penicillin shot in the hip, & drove the sucker
into the bone.
In a sub-q, you pinch the skin up & inject into that flap of skin, so
there's a greater risk of stabbing yourself in the finger, than hitting the
animal's bones, & *that's* only if you pinch the skin up the wrong way. IM's
are harder to do on animals. Both are easy to do on people (I had to give
myself sub-q shots for yrs, & a few IM's, & I hated doing those on myself,
cos the med in question made my muscles sore as hell).
The hard part about IP's is getting the needle in fast enough once you've
found your landmarks, so they don't move & you don't hit a vital organ.
Worst story I ever heard about an IP injection mistake was this chick in our
Psych dept (a few yrs before my time) who shoved the needle in too far,
right though the mouse, & ended up injecting the palm of her hand full of
atropine. *That* had to take a severe lack of concentration, & an abundance
of stupidity - I mean, she *had* to feel the needle go into her hand - *why*
did the hit the plunger?!?! She got what she paid for, though, once the
atropine kicked in!
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| Lin |
"Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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> That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's in
you
> can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting it
with
> the needle if it squirms around some.
A 19#? Hell, when I had to give myself sub-q meds, I used a 25# 3/4"
tuberculin needle, which is smaller.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| Cap |
but with a #19 I can pump 50cc's of fluid in a matter of seconds.
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
> news:GmNeb.5315911$mA4.755075@news.easynews.com...
> > That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's in
> you
> > can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting it
> with
> > the needle if it squirms around some.
>
> A 19#? Hell, when I had to give myself sub-q meds, I used a 25# 3/4"
> tuberculin needle, which is smaller.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
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| Lin |
Duh.....I wasn't thinking about the *fluid* - just the comfort level of the
needle! My bad.
Nevermind, though - if *anyone* knows what they're doing, it's *you*!! :-D
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
"Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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> but with a #19 I can pump 50cc's of fluid in a matter of seconds.
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5k3fb.86116$xx4.13082546@twister.neo.rr.com...
> >
> > "Cap" <cap383REMOVE@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
> > news:GmNeb.5315911$mA4.755075@news.easynews.com...
> > > That's why I only use #19 butterfly needles with 10" tubes. Once it's
in
> > you
> > > can work on comforting the fuzz, and not have to worry about hurting
it
> > with
> > > the needle if it squirms around some.
> >
> > A 19#? Hell, when I had to give myself sub-q meds, I used a 25# 3/4"
> > tuberculin needle, which is smaller.
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
>
>
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| Russell Prater |
Cap wrote:
> Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
That sounds like a good video. Dr. Fav showed me how to do it using
Ringers, a 30ml syringe and a butterfly needle. Someone has a site with
text and pics also.
--
Russ, Booger, Bonnie & Clyde
russellprater@worldnet.att.net
URA Redneck if you sell rabbits out of the back of your car.
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| Melissa |
In article <3F803F61.F48CF122@worldnet.att.net>,
Russell Prater <russellprater@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Cap wrote:
>
> > Matter of fact I'm replacing my bag of
> > Ringers this weekend. When I do I'll pick a volunteer and shoot a small
> > video on the proper way to give sub-q fluids and put it up on my site.
>
> That sounds like a good video. Dr. Fav showed me how to do it using
> Ringers, a 30ml syringe and a butterfly needle. Someone has a site with
> text and pics also.
Russell? This can't be Russell. Russell disappeared off the face of the
earth! ;)
-Melissa
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| Lisa The Ferret Haven By the Sea |
>but with a #19 I can pump 50cc's of fluid in a matter of seconds.
>
Hey Cap - sometimes giving fluids to fast can cause problems with the heart -
especially if said electrolytes are in the fluids...
I use 22 guage needles - no butterfly. Draw from the bag, replace the needle,
scruff and inject. Ferret is usually either held down by my helper, or
distracted with food/treats.
For oral electrolyte replacement, I like either pedia pops (single use
popsicles so less is wasted) or a new drink put out by gatorade called propel.
I see both types of dehydration - the one from diarrhea is much more serious
than just deprivation - but I do tend to treat them both the same way.
YMMV.
Lisa Leidig, Head Ferret
The Ferret Haven "By-the-Sea"
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