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| Doctor Arcane |
I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
(8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
Ferret.
Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
for less.
This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
Does anyone know any other 'good' ferret foods? Mine dont even seem
to like the TF much. I've added a little Wysong Nuture in, does
anyone feed the high end kitten stuff? I supplement it with a bit of
Wysong Au Jus, which once I convinced them to eat it, they love the
stuff.
-arcane
please respond on here, not via email, email account is broken thanks.
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| Heidi Martin |
Have you tried Marshall's ferret food
"Doctor Arcane" <docarcane@altavista.net> wrote in message
news:1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com...
> I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
> had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
> (8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
> as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
> Ferret.
>
> Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
> completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
> store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
> diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
> for less.
>
> This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
> the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
> just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
> doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
> wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
>
> Does anyone know any other 'good' ferret foods? Mine dont even seem
> to like the TF much. I've added a little Wysong Nuture in, does
> anyone feed the high end kitten stuff? I supplement it with a bit of
> Wysong Au Jus, which once I convinced them to eat it, they love the
> stuff.
>
> -arcane
>
> please respond on here, not via email, email account is broken thanks.
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
Kylie gets Path Valley ferret food adnn 8 in 1 Ultimate, and Zupreem (this
month), but I think the only thing she's really eating is the Path Valley.
Seems like I'm throwing away a lot of the other stuff. Mazuri didn't go
over well and neither did a couple of the others that are supposed to be
really good. If you wanted to get into 'natural' stuff for a ferret, I
suppose you might want to toss in a rabbit, a mouse, or a chicken now and
then.
jumpingmouse & kylie
"Doctor Arcane" <docarcane@altavista.net> wrote in message
news:1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com...
> I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
> had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
> (8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
> as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
> Ferret.
>
> Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
> completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
> store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
> diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
> for less.
>
> This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
> the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
> just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
> doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
> wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
>
> Does anyone know any other 'good' ferret foods? Mine dont even seem
> to like the TF much. I've added a little Wysong Nuture in, does
> anyone feed the high end kitten stuff? I supplement it with a bit of
> Wysong Au Jus, which once I convinced them to eat it, they love the
> stuff.
>
> -arcane
>
> please respond on here, not via email, email account is broken thanks.
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| brian s. |
wilson also gets the same mix minus the Zupreem, my vet always tells me to
get a bag when i am there. but he is a path valley ferret and loves the path
valley and ultimate mix.... ultimate is expensive per se but if he likes it
thats what he gets...
"jumpingmouse & kylie" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uhpdb.6903$NX3.6037@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Kylie gets Path Valley ferret food adnn 8 in 1 Ultimate, and Zupreem (this
> month), but I think the only thing she's really eating is the Path Valley.
> Seems like I'm throwing away a lot of the other stuff. Mazuri didn't go
> over well and neither did a couple of the others that are supposed to be
> really good. If you wanted to get into 'natural' stuff for a ferret, I
> suppose you might want to toss in a rabbit, a mouse, or a chicken now and
> then.
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
>
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> "Doctor Arcane" <docarcane@altavista.net> wrote in message
> news:1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com...
> > I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
> > had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
> > (8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
> > as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
> > Ferret.
> >
> > Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
> > completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
> > store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
> > diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
> > for less.
> >
> > This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
> > the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
> > just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
> > doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
> > wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
> >
> > Does anyone know any other 'good' ferret foods? Mine dont even seem
> > to like the TF much. I've added a little Wysong Nuture in, does
> > anyone feed the high end kitten stuff? I supplement it with a bit of
> > Wysong Au Jus, which once I convinced them to eat it, they love the
> > stuff.
> >
> > -arcane
> >
> > please respond on here, not via email, email account is broken thanks.
>
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| Celtic Ferret |
The chicken byproducts and rice are good things. Rice is easier to digest
than corn. When I buy, I try to find rice in there before the corn is
listed.
We feed Mazuri, Premiun Edge Kitten Chicken and Rice or Maxiumum Kitten from
Walmart If I can't get Mazuri I'll use either Iams Kitten or Eukanuba
Chicken and Rice
KG
"Doctor Arcane" <docarcane@altavista.net> wrote in message
news:1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com...
> I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
> had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
> (8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
> as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
> Ferret.
>
> Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
> completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
> store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
> diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
> for less.
>
> This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
> the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
> just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
> doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
> wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
>
> Does anyone know any other 'good' ferret foods? Mine dont even seem
> to like the TF much. I've added a little Wysong Nuture in, does
> anyone feed the high end kitten stuff? I supplement it with a bit of
> Wysong Au Jus, which once I convinced them to eat it, they love the
> stuff.
>
> -arcane
>
> please respond on here, not via email, email account is broken thanks.
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| Jim Higgins |
On 27 Sep 2003 15:45:21 -0700, in
<1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com>,
docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
>I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
>had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
>(8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
>as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
>Ferret.
>
>Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
>completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
>store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
>diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
>for less.
>
>This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
>the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
>just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
>doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
>wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
Ahhhh, someone else who reads labels religiously. Keep it up.
And prepare to duck the flack.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| swamp |
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:43:03 GMT, Jim Higgins
<UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>On 27 Sep 2003 15:45:21 -0700, in
><1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com>,
>docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
>
>>I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
>>had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
>>(8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
>>as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
>>Ferret.
>>
>>Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
>>completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
>>store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
>>diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
>>for less.
>>
>>This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
>>the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
>>just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
>>doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
>>wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
>
>Ahhhh, someone else who reads labels religiously. Keep it up.
>And prepare to duck the flack.
Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
eat.
The important part is % of protein and fat derived from animal
protein. The cut of meat isn't.
swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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| Melissa |
Don't have the original post to reply to.
It all depends on what you think is good nutrition for ferrets. Some
people think we (as humans) don't eat feet, nails, bones, fur,
cartiledge etc. and consider that byproduct to be waste and/or
unsanitary. So why feed that to our pets? They should get the same high
quality type of food that we eat without all that stuff we would never
dream of eating. -That's one school of thought.
The other is that certain by products in the right ammount are essential
to ferret health because it more closely mimics what similar animals eat
in the wild. Some people believe that there are trace nutrients not to
mention additional fiber to help keep the digestive tract in good order
that can only be gained from these byproducts and that without them the
ferret is getting an "unnatural" skewed diet which will be deficient in
the end. -Now again, this isn't to say all foods with byproducts would
be considered ok. Byproducts have gotten a bad rap in the past because
lots of cheap food manufacturers used them as fillers to cut costs, but
not all byproducts are the same. They *type* of byproduct used and in
what amount (and for what purpose) is crucial, and that's where the
reputation of the manufacturer comes in.
There are also those who think more along the lines of the first group
and attempt to supplement the regular meat with bone meal to make up for
what might be gained by eating bones, and try to supplement with other
things they think might be lacking from the elimination of other
byproducts (fiber is often added for this reason as well). Some think
this is sufficient or better. Others don't think the approximation is
good enough.
So what constitutes a "good" food depends on which school of thought you
follow. Each will tell you reasons why theirs makes the most sense.
Totally Ferret is of the school of thought that certain byproducts in
the right amounts if they are high grade and used with other high grade
ingredients are essential to providing the right nutrition for ferrets.
They're not trying to pull a fast one on you by slipping byproducts in
there. It's very intentional. *They* consider it an important element in
their food. Other foods (like Wysong Archetype) go so far as to have
*visible* fur in their food! Others (like Abady) stress the fact that
you will find NOTHING like that in their food, only organ meats.
Check out Bob Church's chicken gravy that everybody talks so much about.
You're SUPPOSED to include the bones in that mix. Heck if you could put
the original feathers in too he'd probably suggest that as well! Some
people swear by this stuff. Others don't.
Again, it all depends on what you believe constitutes good nutrition for
your ferrets. Advocates of each school of thought will have many
arguments to convince you that their way is the right way. Choose one of
those schools of thought, then buy foods in accordance with your beliefs.
-Melissa
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| Doctor Arcane |
> Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
> nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
> including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
> eat.
The problem is, you don't know what those by-products consist of. For
example, Wysong Au Jus Chicken contains chicken meat (muscle, nerve,
etc), liver, heart. Fine by me. By-products is a bit more vague, it
can consist of feet, beaks and pretty much any part of the chicken
other than feathers. These do not necessarily represent a good,
easily digestable source of protein. I have no problem with organ
meat.
A ferret can do fine on by-products, but the question is why would
anyone pay 4 bucks a pound for it? It just seems given the main
ingredient, it should be cheaper. 'Premium' cat/dog foods which offer
chicken meal and organ meal don't even cost half that. It just seems
like a big waste of money, hype, etc.
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| Jim Higgins |
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:11:22 GMT, in
<ikafnv8ghr47uugf6plv9nm66m5ibdik13@4ax.com>, swamp
<swamp@xxxxspamadelphia.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:43:03 GMT, Jim Higgins
><UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>
>>On 27 Sep 2003 15:45:21 -0700, in
>><1ceb9ea2.0309271445.75fdaf10@posting.google.com>,
>>docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
>>
>>>I started working a pet store a couple of months back. Until now, I
>>>had fed my ferrets a mixture of Iams Kitten and various ferret foods
>>>(8-in-1) etc. Now I figured, hey I get a fat discount, my fuzzies may
>>>as well make the best of it. So I had my manager order Totally
>>>Ferret.
>>>
>>>Now my problem: This stuff is 19.99 for 5 pounds. That alone seems
>>>completely insane (even though I dont pay retail obviously). The
>>>store I work at specializes in high-end natural diets, raw food
>>>diets... I could get 5 pounds of beef or buffalo (or even kangaroo!)
>>>for less.
>>>
>>>This, and the first ingredient is chicken by-product meal. None of
>>>the high-end cat or dog food foods use by-products. Generally its
>>>just the mid to low end stuff. The second ingredient being rice flour
>>>doesn't inspire confidence either, being rice flour. Anyway, I just
>>>wanted to get this off my chest... and ask
>>
>>Ahhhh, someone else who reads labels religiously. Keep it up.
>>And prepare to duck the flack.
>
>Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
>nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
>including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
>eat.
>
>The important part is % of protein and fat derived from animal
>protein. The cut of meat isn't.
Who was talking just nutrition? I thought it was abundantly
clear that the OP was shocked at the price of TF - $4.00/lb - for
food where ingredients 1 & 2 are chicken by-products and rice.
Nutritious? Of course, but if you can get better for less $$,
why not?
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Jim Higgins |
On 29 Sep 2003 07:51:14 -0700, in
<1ceb9ea2.0309290651.3722e03b@posting.google.com>,
docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
>> Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
>> nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
>> including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
>> eat.
>
>The problem is, you don't know what those by-products consist of. For
>example, Wysong Au Jus Chicken contains chicken meat (muscle, nerve,
>etc), liver, heart. Fine by me. By-products is a bit more vague, it
>can consist of feet, beaks and pretty much any part of the chicken
>other than feathers. These do not necessarily represent a good,
>easily digestable source of protein. I have no problem with organ
>meat.
>
>A ferret can do fine on by-products, but the question is why would
>anyone pay 4 bucks a pound for it? It just seems given the main
>ingredient, it should be cheaper. 'Premium' cat/dog foods which offer
>chicken meal and organ meal don't even cost half that. It just seems
>like a big waste of money, hype, etc.
Exactly! This concept of "super-premium quality chicken
by-product meals" is something invented to justify ferret food
prices of $4.00/lb.
--
Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| Princebilly1 |
>feet, beaks and pretty much any part of the chicken
other than feathers. These do not necessarily represent a good,
easily digestable source of protein. I have no problem with organ meat.<
Whats the problem with this lot for ferrets. Mone eat all the parts of a bird,
any bird apart from all of the feathers.
Please believe me the do digest them and they are good for there digestive
tracts and teeth
Steve
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| Jim Higgins |
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:19:36 GMT, in
<IjWdb.163102$3o3.11740418@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Melissa <nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>Don't have the original post to reply to.
>
>It all depends on what you think is good nutrition for ferrets. Some
>people think we (as humans) don't eat feet, nails, bones, fur,
>cartiledge etc. and consider that byproduct to be waste and/or
>unsanitary. So why feed that to our pets? They should get the same high
>quality type of food that we eat without all that stuff we would never
>dream of eating. -That's one school of thought.
According to the AAFCO, meat by-products are the non-rendered
clean parts, *OTHER THAN MEAT*, derived from slaughtered mammals.
They include, but are not limited to, lungs, spleen, kidneys,
brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted low-temperature
fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their contents.
They do *NOT* include hair, horns, teeth and hooves. Nor do they
include muscle meat.
>The other is that certain by products in the right ammount are essential
>to ferret health because it more closely mimics what similar animals eat
>in the wild. Some people believe that there are trace nutrients not to
>mention additional fiber to help keep the digestive tract in good order
>that can only be gained from these byproducts and that without them the
>ferret is getting an "unnatural" skewed diet which will be deficient in
>the end. -Now again, this isn't to say all foods with byproducts would
>be considered ok. Byproducts have gotten a bad rap in the past because
>lots of cheap food manufacturers used them as fillers to cut costs, but
>not all byproducts are the same. They *type* of byproduct used and in
>what amount (and for what purpose) is crucial, and that's where the
>reputation of the manufacturer comes in.
That's what the manufacturers would have you believe - that there
are grades of meat by-products. If anyone can find a link to
"official" definitions describing these various grades, please
let me know - I can't find them - because there is only one
definition of meat by-products as applies to pet food. There is
no such thing as US Choice meat by-products. That's not to say
that some pet food manufacturer can't purchase meat by-products
to his own specification, but by-products is still by-products
and there is no good reason why a food based on chicken
by-product meal and rice as the first two ingredients should cost
$4.00/lb.
The concept of "super-premium quality chicken by-product meals"
is one that is primarily pushed by TF. It has no basis
whatsoever in industry recognized definitions of meat
by-products, nor is it defined by TF.
>There are also those who think more along the lines of the first group
>and attempt to supplement the regular meat with bone meal to make up for
>what might be gained by eating bones, and try to supplement with other
>things they think might be lacking from the elimination of other
>byproducts (fiber is often added for this reason as well). Some think
>this is sufficient or better. Others don't think the approximation is
>good enough.
>
>So what constitutes a "good" food depends on which school of thought you
>follow. Each will tell you reasons why theirs makes the most sense.
>
>Totally Ferret is of the school of thought that certain byproducts in
>the right amounts if they are high grade and used with other high grade
>ingredients are essential to providing the right nutrition for ferrets.
>They're not trying to pull a fast one on you by slipping byproducts in
>there. It's very intentional. *They* consider it an important element in
>their food. Other foods (like Wysong Archetype) go so far as to have
>*visible* fur in their food! Others (like Abady) stress the fact that
>you will find NOTHING like that in their food, only organ meats.
I'm going to stay out of the by-products as necessary to good
nutrition argument and simply say - again - that $4.00/lb for
by-products and rice is too much.
>Check out Bob Church's chicken gravy that everybody talks so much about.
>You're SUPPOSED to include the bones in that mix. Heck if you could put
>the original feathers in too he'd probably suggest that as well! Some
>people swear by this stuff. Others don't.
>
>Again, it all depends on what you believe constitutes good nutrition for
>your ferrets. Advocates of each school of thought will have many
>arguments to convince you that their way is the right way. Choose one of
>those schools of thought, then buy foods in accordance with your beliefs.
>
>-Melissa
For those interested, the collection of postings by Bob Church on
ferret nutrition may be found at:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1D423E55
This is a very selective search link that will return just the
nutrition series and not a load of irrelevant stuff.
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Jim Higgins, quasimodo AT yahoo DOT com
icbm: 33.55.34N, 80.24.21W
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| swamp |
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:56 GMT, Jim Higgins
<UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>On 29 Sep 2003 07:51:14 -0700, in
><1ceb9ea2.0309290651.3722e03b@posting.google.com>,
>docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
>
>>> Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
>>> nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
>>> including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
>>> eat.
>>
>>The problem is, you don't know what those by-products consist of. For
>>example, Wysong Au Jus Chicken contains chicken meat (muscle, nerve,
>>etc), liver, heart. Fine by me. By-products is a bit more vague, it
>>can consist of feet, beaks and pretty much any part of the chicken
>>other than feathers. These do not necessarily represent a good,
>>easily digestable source of protein. I have no problem with organ
>>meat.
>>
>>A ferret can do fine on by-products, but the question is why would
>>anyone pay 4 bucks a pound for it? It just seems given the main
>>ingredient, it should be cheaper. 'Premium' cat/dog foods which offer
>>chicken meal and organ meal don't even cost half that. It just seems
>>like a big waste of money, hype, etc.
>
>Exactly! This concept of "super-premium quality chicken
>by-product meals" is something invented to justify ferret food
>prices of $4.00/lb.
Well, I guess first off I should add that a 30# bag of TF costs $70
here. CA sales tax (7.5%) adds another $6, so it comes to $2.50/#, or
one could buy a 5# bag for $15. Seems I'm paying 1/2 to 2/3 what you
two are. Euk lamb & rice and Iams kitten cost ~$9 for 2.5# and 4# bags
respectively. Wellness Kitten is $10 for a 47 oz bag, Can't get
Mazuri, and Marshall's is out-of-state and about the same price/# as
those listed above.
There's certainly some marketing to TF, but I'm trying to move my guys
to an all-meat (including the gross parts) diet. The more gizzards in
the goop, the quicker the transition, imo. Hope my next (2 years min.)
eats the stuff I'd otherwise throw out.
I'll toss him/her a proverbial bone occasionally,
swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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| Celtic Ferret |
"swamp" <swamp@xxxxspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:dhrhnvcei5k51nc5sp55ucmqgs892ekjnk@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:53:56 GMT, Jim Higgins
> <UseAddressBelow@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>
> >On 29 Sep 2003 07:51:14 -0700, in
> ><1ceb9ea2.0309290651.3722e03b@posting.google.com>,
> >docarcane@altavista.net (Doctor Arcane) wrote:
> >
> >>> Duck if you want, but why do you both assume by-products are less
> >>> nutritious for ferrets than flank? Lots of good stuff in by-products,
> >>> including organs, gizzards, and all the other stuff we humans won't
> >>> eat.
> >>
> >>The problem is, you don't know what those by-products consist of. For
> >>example, Wysong Au Jus Chicken contains chicken meat (muscle, nerve,
> >>etc), liver, heart. Fine by me. By-products is a bit more vague, it
> >>can consist of feet, beaks and pretty much any part of the chicken
> >>other than feathers. These do not necessarily represent a good,
> >>easily digestable source of protein. I have no problem with organ
> >>meat.
> >>
> >>A ferret can do fine on by-products, but the question is why would
> >>anyone pay 4 bucks a pound for it? It just seems given the main
> >>ingredient, it should be cheaper. 'Premium' cat/dog foods which offer
> >>chicken meal and organ meal don't even cost half that. It just seems
> >>like a big waste of money, hype, etc.
> >
> >Exactly! This concept of "super-premium quality chicken
> >by-product meals" is something invented to justify ferret food
> >prices of $4.00/lb.
>
> Well, I guess first off I should add that a 30# bag of TF costs $70
> here. CA sales tax (7.5%) adds another $6, so it comes to $2.50/#, or
> one could buy a 5# bag for $15. Seems I'm paying 1/2 to 2/3 what you
> two are. Euk lamb & rice and Iams kitten cost ~$9 for 2.5# and 4# bags
> respectively. Wellness Kitten is $10 for a 47 oz bag, Can't get
> Mazuri, and Marshall's is out-of-state and about the same price/# as
> those listed above.
>
> There's certainly some marketing to TF, but I'm trying to move my guys
> to an all-meat (including the gross parts) diet. The more gizzards in
> the goop, the quicker the transition, imo. Hope my next (2 years min.)
> eats the stuff I'd otherwise throw out.
>
> I'll toss him/her a proverbial bone occasionally,
>
We feed some of ours whole chix (cooked and ground up), rats or pinkies.
Some won't eat it. Others will. I always leave kibble.
KG
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:58:35 -0400, "Celtic Ferret"
<katgall@"nospam'voyager.net> wrote:
>We feed some of ours whole chix (cooked and ground up), rats or pinkies.
>Some won't eat it. Others will. I always leave kibble.
Punch, the good "son," loves raw chix. He'll eat any part right down
to the bone. Lucy, the problem "child," refused to eat but stashed
chunks in places I didn't find, which got me a lecture from the maid.
Something about meat belonging in the refrigerator... For a while I
tried feeding him in the shower, but that meant scrubbing it down
afterward. I forgot once and got another lecture from the maid,
roughly the same theme.
So now I let Punch out to chow while Lucy pouts in the cage. She made
her bed...
>KG
swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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