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oldmolly

"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Princebilly1" <princebilly1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >again i will not feed my ferets live food.
> > <
> >
> > Then feed them dead food, i dont feed mine live food either but it is
> freshly
> > killed and plenty of blood and bone.
> >
> > Hear that CJ, Blood and Bone and skull, and kidney and liver, and heart
> and fur
> > and feather and eyes and nostrils and.........
>
> Nostrils? Talk about empty calories...... :-D
>
But nobody nose that for sure ;0)

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Dark Jewel

I'm a vegatarian so i don't eat meat myself. I just want what is best
for my ferrets.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:30:02 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>
>"Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> do not start that argument again. I'm looking for real advice. I'm
>> not giving you another chance to flame everyone. I will not even give
>> my ferrets fresh killed food either.
>
> You are being rather silly. You refuse to feed your ferret it's natural
>food, but are happy to feed it killed processed beef, laden with salt and
>fat. Yuk.
> Whats the difference between hamburgers and fresh meat?
>
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"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
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> "Snot" necessarily! HA! Oooh...that was bad.

Ouch!! I didn't see *that* one coming at *all*!!! :-D

Lin the Blindsided, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
> Holly
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Nostrils? Talk about empty calories...... :-D
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > steve
> >
> >
>
>

Lin

"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Princebilly1" <princebilly1@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20030720091550.28370.00000179@mb-m24.aol.com...
> > > >again i will not feed my ferets live food.
> > > <
> > >
> > > Then feed them dead food, i dont feed mine live food either but it is
> > freshly
> > > killed and plenty of blood and bone.
> > >
> > > Hear that CJ, Blood and Bone and skull, and kidney and liver, and
heart
> > and fur
> > > and feather and eyes and nostrils and.........
> >
> > Nostrils? Talk about empty calories...... :-D
> >
> But nobody nose that for sure ;0)

DOH!!

Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max

James and Paula McNicol

"Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I just want what is best
> for my ferrets.

Well, thank goodness for that! I saw 'vegetarian dog food' on sale on
Friday - bleeerrggghh! I'm sure feeding a dog that stuff would amount to
animal abuse, surely?
--
Paula

Biffa, Rumpus, Banzai & DC at Poopingham Palace
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Princebilly1

> Nostrils? Talk about empty calories...... :-D
>
But nobody nose that for sure ;0)

yes but i`m rather PICKY about the info i read :o)

Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them , but
I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good answer ,
just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question and
this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just suggested
you the same thing?
Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they should
be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't good
for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really good
premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet can
order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's just
not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and find
somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore the
nasty answers or provocations .
It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to attack
me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets any
kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read here
, they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think that
was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
read the posts..!
Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little creatures!!!
CJ

"Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.

Jason and Holly Harper

Well I dunno, because aren't dogs technically omnivores? So that would mean
they eat both meat and vegetables. Am I wrong?

Holly

"James and Paula McNicol" <james@REMOVETHISmcnicol.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > I just want what is best
> > for my ferrets.
>
> Well, thank goodness for that! I saw 'vegetarian dog food' on sale on
> Friday - bleeerrggghh! I'm sure feeding a dog that stuff would amount to
> animal abuse, surely?
> --
> Paula
>
> Biffa, Rumpus, Banzai & DC at Poopingham Palace
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

ZPL

No CJ, neither your original post or you follow-ups in any way suggested
anything close to what has been posted in this thread.

You decided that ferrets were omnivores that did not need a high protein
diet and that should not be fed fresh meat. (Face it, the freshest is the
newest.) They only needed the kibble to stay the healthiest they could be.

We have also told Dark Jewel the same thing you were told. Fresh raw meat
in the best. If you can't handle fresh raw meat, or freshly killed feeder
animals, then don't. BUT - don't harp on those that chose to use the more
natural approach.

No, I am not BARF feeder (look it up - B.A.R.F., bones and raw food). Mine
are only interested in kibble. I have offered tastes of many sorts of
things. They have tasted, but they are not the least bit interested. Wish
I had started them when they were younger.

"CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:5sVSa.18484$2h1.12472@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them ,
but
> I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good answer
,
> just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question
and
> this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just
suggested
> you the same thing?
> Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they
should
> be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't good
> for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really good
> premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet can
> order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
> My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's just
> not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and
find
> somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore
the
> nasty answers or provocations .
> It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to
attack
> me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets any
> kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read
here
> , they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think
that
> was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
> read the posts..!
> Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little
creatures!!!
> CJ
>
> "Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8i9khvov8gnd8pgrfskotv0u7tola9p6vv@4ax.com...
> > Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> > intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> > Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> > keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
>
>

kmonk

The big difference (for me at least) between free meat and hamburgers is my
girlfriend. Feeder animals like mice or baby chickens are generally deemed
to cute and given a pardon. Ferrets are carnivores, so I figured the closest
to the natural diet the better... but if kibble and beef bits (or chicken
wings, haven't tried that one though) keeps me out of a fuss and keeps the
ferret healthy... why not, no harm done.
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s4dlhvobpfe7r2h8rbe0fasfps2cegqc5u@4ax.com...
> > do not start that argument again. I'm looking for real advice. I'm
> > not giving you another chance to flame everyone. I will not even give
> > my ferrets fresh killed food either.
>
> You are being rather silly. You refuse to feed your ferret it's natural
> food, but are happy to feed it killed processed beef, laden with salt and
> fat. Yuk.
> Whats the difference between hamburgers and fresh meat?
>
>
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ZPL

Another healthier treat option: I used to have a female that went
absolutely nuts over crickets. She hated the store bought brown ones, I had
to go out at night and capture native black crickets in places I prayed
there had not been any chemicals used

All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males. (Something
about niche filling, maybe?). My insect pest controllers are usually my
females.

(Both my males and females basically ignore any rodents that get in the
house. So, again, some ferrets do not have the "eat mice" instinct once
they imprint on the kibble.)

"Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.

Kevin Wolfe

"ZPL" <ZPL@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Another healthier treat option: I used to have a female that went
> absolutely nuts over crickets. She hated the store bought brown ones, I
had
> to go out at night and capture native black crickets in places I prayed
> there had not been any chemicals used
>
> All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males. (Something
> about niche filling, maybe?). My insect pest controllers are usually my
> females.
>
> (Both my males and females basically ignore any rodents that get in the
> house. So, again, some ferrets do not have the "eat mice" instinct once
> they imprint on the kibble.)
>
>

I have a HUGE phobia of spiders, and we used to have a cat that would eat
them, (he was my hero!) but none of our fuzzies have shown any interest in
any sort of *bug*. Doofus ate one once, but I don't really know if he meant
to!

Jodi

Isotope

>
> I have a HUGE phobia of spiders, and we used to have a cat that would eat
> them, (he was my hero!) but none of our fuzzies have shown any interest in
> any sort of *bug*. Doofus ate one once, but I don't really know if he
meant
> to!

Oh... but I *like* spiders and get most upset when I catch my cat with
spider legs dangling from her mouth. However, I am not at *all* keen on
beetles and there has been one hanging around the ferret room for a few days
now... but sadly, even if I point the ferrets snouts in the direction of the
offending critter, they just look at it with a moments curiosity and then
bounce off. Sigh. I guess we shall just have to put up with each other.

Isotope

Sandy Adams

anybody in the u.s. can order totally ferret online from multiple sources..
the ferret store, jeffers etc.. not hard to find and surely cheaper than
through the vet.. i strongly recommend never feeding one kind of food..
always feed a mixture of at least two.. preferrably 3.. high quality foods..
reason being that ferrets imprint on their food and it can be a nightmare if
the manufacturer changes the formula and your ferret decides that it isn't
food anymore.. and yes a ferret will starve themselves to death if they
don't like what you're feeding them..

and we only respond sharply to people who come on the newsgroup purporting
to be experts who instead are operating from old information and limited
knowledge..

Sandy & The Adams Family Ferrets
Ferret Waystation & Hospice of Oklahoma

"CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:5sVSa.18484$2h1.12472@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them ,
but
> I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good answer
,
> just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question
and
> this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just
suggested
> you the same thing?
> Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they
should
> be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't good
> for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really good
> premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet can
> order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
> My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's just
> not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and
find
> somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore
the
> nasty answers or provocations .
> It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to
attack
> me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets any
> kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read
here
> , they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think
that
> was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
> read the posts..!
> Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little
creatures!!!
> CJ
>
> "Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8i9khvov8gnd8pgrfskotv0u7tola9p6vv@4ax.com...
> > Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> > intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> > Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> > keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
>
>

You respond sharply only when you don't like people having different
opinions , yours , is NOT the answer , I'm sure you're knowledgeable but
you don't have all the answers . Actually , I totally agree with what you
just wrote and have been doing that myself since along time, even at the
shelter , ferrets can be a true nightmare when they decide that either they
are bored of that food or don't like the other ...and so on . I'm not an
expert , neither are you and you certainly don't know me or what I do or
I"ve done ....and am definitely far from having any kind of
"limited"knowledge about ferrets and many more domestic animals .I just
happen to disagree with most of the things some of you wrote in here ,
that's all .Anyway , I'm not in the mood for another discussion .
Bye

"Sandy Adams" <wftxserx@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:nWYSa.65996$0v4.4423248@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> anybody in the u.s. can order totally ferret online from multiple
sources..
> the ferret store, jeffers etc.. not hard to find and surely cheaper than
> through the vet.. i strongly recommend never feeding one kind of food..
> always feed a mixture of at least two.. preferrably 3.. high quality
foods..
> reason being that ferrets imprint on their food and it can be a nightmare
if
> the manufacturer changes the formula and your ferret decides that it isn't
> food anymore.. and yes a ferret will starve themselves to death if they
> don't like what you're feeding them..
>
> and we only respond sharply to people who come on the newsgroup purporting
> to be experts who instead are operating from old information and limited
> knowledge..
>
> Sandy & The Adams Family Ferrets
> Ferret Waystation & Hospice of Oklahoma
>
>
> "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:5sVSa.18484$2h1.12472@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them ,
> but
> > I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good
answer
> ,
> > just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question
> and
> > this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just
> suggested
> > you the same thing?
> > Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they
> should
> > be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't
good
> > for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really
good
> > premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet
can
> > order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
> > My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's
just
> > not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and
> find
> > somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore
> the
> > nasty answers or provocations .
> > It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to
> attack
> > me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets
any
> > kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read
> here
> > , they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think
> that
> > was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you
can
> > read the posts..!
> > Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little
> creatures!!!
> > CJ
> >
> > "Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8i9khvov8gnd8pgrfskotv0u7tola9p6vv@4ax.com...
> > > Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> > > intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> > > Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> > > keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
> >
> >
>
>

oldmolly

"Dark Jewel" <DarkJewel_with_Pixi_and_Dixi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm a vegatarian so i don't eat meat myself. I just want what is best
> for my ferrets.
The fact that you are vegetarian is irrelevant. Your ferrets are obligate
carnivores. The best is meat, fresh meat, fur and all.

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oldmolly

"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
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> Well I dunno, because aren't dogs technically omnivores? So that would
mean
> they eat both meat and vegetables. Am I wrong?
>
You are indeed right. Dogs are omnivorous. The *can* survive on a
vegetarian diet, although I would not do it to them. My son is a vegetarian
too and would not make any pet of his follow his ways. He would give
whichever pet he has, the best and most natural diet for it's needs. But I
taught him well :0)

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Kathouze

>From: "ZPL" ZPL@cox.net

>
>All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males.

My girls love crickets too.I just wish they wouldn't leave the drumsticks.LOL.

Sandy and the Dook City Gang
Tempus Fuzzit
kathouze pictures
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery...ername=kathouze

ZPL

Those legs must be hard to get down. I guess those "edges" are rough. Mine
eat them like one would eat crawfish - they suck the heads.

"Kathouze" <kathouze@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "ZPL" ZPL@cox.net
>
> >
> >All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males.
>
> My girls love crickets too.I just wish they wouldn't leave the
drumsticks.LOL.
>
>
> Sandy and the Dook City Gang
> Tempus Fuzzit
> kathouze pictures
> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery...ername=kathouze

Sandy Adams

you know i don't have a problem at all with mice, rats, raw chicken etc..

but for whatever reason i read this and thought..
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and got a shiver.. lol

Sandy & The Adams Family Ferrets
Ferret Waystation & Hospice

"ZPL" <ZPL@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Those legs must be hard to get down. I guess those "edges" are rough.
Mine
> eat them like one would eat crawfish - they suck the heads.
>
> "Kathouze" <kathouze@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030721185952.18124.00000338@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > >From: "ZPL" ZPL@cox.net
> >
> > >
> > >All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males.
> >
> > My girls love crickets too.I just wish they wouldn't leave the
> drumsticks.LOL.
> >
> >
> > Sandy and the Dook City Gang
> > Tempus Fuzzit
> > kathouze pictures
> > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery...ername=kathouze
>
>

swamp

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:49:30 GMT, "Jason and Holly Harper"
<jhharper@tm.net> wrote:

>Well I dunno, because aren't dogs technically omnivores? So that would mean
>they eat both meat and vegetables. Am I wrong?

Dogs are officially carnivores, but they're able to process vegetable
proteins better than cats or ferrets, so I suppose it would be
possible to make a kibbled food from vegetables if you knew what you
were doing. Still, imposing a vegetarian diet on a carnivorous animal
seems like the height of idiocy to me. If you can't stomach the idea
of feeding meat to your animal, don't choose one that eats meat.
Problem solved.

swamp

"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."

ZPL

Sorry. I was going to go on, glad I didn't.
I can see it now - ferrets lined up at a cricket boil. The Budweiser ferret
has just gotten back from Louisiana with a couple hundred pounds of
crickets. The beer is cold. The volley ball net is set up in the front
yard....

"Sandy Adams" <wftxserx@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:vM_Sa.65740$3o3.4381451@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> you know i don't have a problem at all with mice, rats, raw chicken etc..
>
> but for whatever reason i read this and thought..
> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and got a shiver.. lol
>
> Sandy & The Adams Family Ferrets
> Ferret Waystation & Hospice
>
>
> "ZPL" <ZPL@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:nD_Sa.58974$R92.6363@news2.central.cox.net...
> > Those legs must be hard to get down. I guess those "edges" are rough.
> Mine
> > eat them like one would eat crawfish - they suck the heads.
> >
> > "Kathouze" <kathouze@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20030721185952.18124.00000338@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > > >From: "ZPL" ZPL@cox.net
> > >
> > > >
> > > >All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males.
> > >
> > > My girls love crickets too.I just wish they wouldn't leave the
> > drumsticks.LOL.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandy and the Dook City Gang
> > > Tempus Fuzzit
> > > kathouze pictures
> > > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery...ername=kathouze
> >
> >
>
>

Luna

Dark Jewel wrote:

>Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
>intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
>Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
>keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
>
>
If you are interested in feeding them meat but not "live food" or "fresh
killed" or raw.. try Gerber's baby food.
The chicken, veal, ham, turkey Second stage. Do not give them the mixes
with veggies. The second stage chicken lists ingredients of Ground
chicken, water and cornstarch. (Mine will not touch the other types.
In fact Pillage picked up the jar of veal, that I'd put on the floor to
spoon some into his bowl, and threw it at me. Just his way of saying,
"wrong stuff lady, now give me my treat." *grin*
Do not use the meat baby food as their only source of food as it does
not have all the nutritional ingredients they need. But it works well
as a treat or to hide medicines in.
-Luna
w/ Blynk, Pillage, Plunder and Dream

swamp

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:14:20 GMT, "ZPL" <ZPL@cox.net> wrote:

>All in all, my females do like crickets better than the males. (Something
>about niche filling, maybe?). My insect pest controllers are usually my
>females.

Mine too, and I'll bet it *is* a household example of dimorphic
nicheing. It's bad for the species if both sexes go after the same
prey.

swamp

"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:31:45 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
Hey CJ ya fruit,

Remember what I said about unprocessed food? Well, I do and I
recall you blasted me like I had suggested that you have sex with
sheep. If you can't recall, then here is what I said: "Most
nutritional studies suggest that if people would eat unprocessed food
than there would be a lot less grossly obese people out there." If
you can't make sense, at least stay consistant. God damn troll.
>Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them , but
>I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good answer ,
>just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question and
>this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just suggested
>you the same thing?
>Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they should
>be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't good
>for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really good
>premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet can
>order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
>My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's just
>not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and find
>somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore the
>nasty answers or provocations .
>It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to attack
>me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets any
>kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read here
>, they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think that
>was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
>read the posts..!
>Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little creatures!!!
>CJ
>
>"Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8i9khvov8gnd8pgrfskotv0u7tola9p6vv@4ax.com...
>> Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
>> intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
>> Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
>> keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
>

Of course I remember and never disagreed with that ...hello??
I don't even know who you are since you must have changed your "name"...

What I disagreed with is the LIVE FOOD .......that's all !
Chill out sweetheart.

<JN> wrote in message
news:34e0e49a96021f1409521b8a2e517d2a@news.meganetnews.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:31:45 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hey CJ ya fruit,
>
> Remember what I said about unprocessed food? Well, I do and I
> recall you blasted me like I had suggested that you have sex with
> sheep. If you can't recall, then here is what I said: "Most
> nutritional studies suggest that if people would eat unprocessed food
> than there would be a lot less grossly obese people out there." If
> you can't make sense, at least stay consistant. God damn troll.
> >Hey , I can't see most of the posts here since I blocked most of them ,
but
> >I saw yours .Somebody (jumpingmouse&......)already gave you a good answer
,
> >just the same I had given to the guy who asked the same kind of question
and
> >this all stupid war started!!! But isn't that funny that they just
suggested
> >you the same thing?
> >Anyway , as for burgers ...I would suggest that if you feed them they
should
> >be made by you , don't buy any pre-made stuff , processed food isn't good
> >for us and neither it is for our animals! Totally Ferret is a really good
> >premium brand of food , if you can't find it in the stores , your vet can
> >order it for you , I'm sure . How old is your ferret?
> >My own advice would be to ignore whoever will attack you here , it's
just
> >not important ..they'll go on and on and on ...until they get bored and
find
> >somebody else to attack , so , please just ask your questions and ignore
the
> >nasty answers or provocations .
> >It's really funny , "jumpingmouse & kylie"is one of the first one to
attack
> >me when I said that there was no need whatsoever to feed your ferrets any
> >kind of live food or whole animals...or whatever else it is that I read
here
> >, they are giving you the same advice I first gave to Mark Tang(I think
that
> >was his name)I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
> >read the posts..!
> >Anyway , good luck with your friend , they are wonderful little
creatures!!!
> >CJ
> >
> >"Dark Jewel" <LALALA@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:8i9khvov8gnd8pgrfskotv0u7tola9p6vv@4ax.com...
> >> Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> >> intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> >> Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> >> keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
> >
>

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:18:52 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
Hey CJ,

Here is my post and your reply. My only guess is that you started
taking your medication again as you don't seem to be such a loon
right this second. Oh, and by the way. Go **** yourself, sweetheart.
P.S. and yeah, I did change my username, so?

YOUR REPLY
You started your post with your opinion about how you think Ferrets
should
be fed and ......ended it in a very rude way.....!!! Which kind of a
newsgroup is this? I'm not even going to comment on your
comment....it's
simply not worth it!!! Why don't you all leave the Ferrets -related
newsgroup and subscribe to a more inappropriate one...like
.........:"alt.hunters"????? That way you can discuss all of this among
yourselves and leave alone all the people that have Ferrets to have
PETS.....not to feed pets to pets!!!!!! Are you all out of your mind?
There are enthusiastic new owners and kids and teenagers that read
this
stuff !!! The truth is that you feed what you feed to your Ferrets
...because
it's a thrill for you ....that's sick!!! And .....yes....my opinion
once
again , it's a free country !!!
Best regards.....
CJ

MY POST
<Busch308> wrote in message

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:34:13 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
> I would like to say this. Why would it be inappropriate to feed any
> animal what it's cousins in the wild eat? I mean, it's what they
> evolved to eat (Or were created to eat) so why the fuss? Most
> nutritional studies suggest that if people would eat unprocessed food
> than there would be a lot less grossly obese people out there. So
> take your tree hugging naturist ass and shrill attitude and take a
> hike.

AND YOU SAY:
>Of course I remember and never disagreed with that ...hello??
>I don't even know who you are since you must have changed your "name"...
>
>What I disagreed with is the LIVE FOOD .......that's all !
>Chill out sweetheart.

Hi , it's always a pleasure talking to you , I "learn"new words all the
time...!
I did read my posts and yours ...so?I don't know what you see there , but I
haven't changed my mind since then..! don't really know what goes trough
your mind!!
As for my medications ...you're right , the only medication I'm taking now
is aspirin , since I've got a cold!! I know you are jumping up and down for
happiness now , that's good , I made you smile at least!! You better start
your Prozac soon , I see a nut to be in you!!!!!
Anyway , I'd love to chat with you all night , but I have to go put my
horses away now ...I have a long day tomorrow and need some time to relax
away from my computers ...I've been working all day !

Don't know why you got so angry when I called you sweetheart....? It's a
lovely word.
Sweet dreams ..and chill out !

<JN> wrote in message
news:fe91403e126e1dfb62daf78d1fa0dbd9@news.meganetnews.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:18:52 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hey CJ,
>
> Here is my post and your reply. My only guess is that you started
> taking your medication again as you don't seem to be such a loon
> right this second. Oh, and by the way. Go **** yourself, sweetheart.
> P.S. and yeah, I did change my username, so?
>
>
> YOUR REPLY
> You started your post with your opinion about how you think Ferrets
> should
> be fed and ......ended it in a very rude way.....!!! Which kind of a
> newsgroup is this? I'm not even going to comment on your
> comment....it's
> simply not worth it!!! Why don't you all leave the Ferrets -related
> newsgroup and subscribe to a more inappropriate one...like
> ........:"alt.hunters"????? That way you can discuss all of this among
> yourselves and leave alone all the people that have Ferrets to have
> PETS.....not to feed pets to pets!!!!!! Are you all out of your mind?
> There are enthusiastic new owners and kids and teenagers that read
> this
> stuff !!! The truth is that you feed what you feed to your Ferrets
> ..because
> it's a thrill for you ....that's sick!!! And .....yes....my opinion
> once
> again , it's a free country !!!
> Best regards.....
> CJ
>
> MY POST
> <Busch308> wrote in message
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:34:13 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:
> > I would like to say this. Why would it be inappropriate to feed any
> > animal what it's cousins in the wild eat? I mean, it's what they
> > evolved to eat (Or were created to eat) so why the fuss? Most
> > nutritional studies suggest that if people would eat unprocessed food
> > than there would be a lot less grossly obese people out there. So
> > take your tree hugging naturist ass and shrill attitude and take a
> > hike.
>
> AND YOU SAY:
> >Of course I remember and never disagreed with that ...hello??
> >I don't even know who you are since you must have changed your "name"...
> >
> >What I disagreed with is the LIVE FOOD .......that's all !
> >Chill out sweetheart.
>

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:22:13 GMT, "CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote:

Eat the kill file bitch.

Lin

"CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote
<snippage>
>I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
> read the posts..!

My God, for once you got something correct!

You most certainly didn't come in here asking for advice - you came tromping
in here on your Clydesdale ****GIVING**** bad diet advice out, incorrect
info on ferrets (that they're supposedly omnivorous - a blatant piece of
fiction), & insulting anyone who attempted to correct you. Not to mention
saying that some of the people in here don't know as much as you think you
do about ferrets - who have MUCH, MUCH more ferret knowledge & experience
that you will *ever* have in your miserable life. Then you get all bent out
of shape when you're told how ignorant you are. People who have *managed*
ferret shelters for longer than you've probably been allowed to even own
pets w/out your Mommy's permission. *And*, I know of at least ONE
verterinarian, who only reads this group, who has already mentioned to me
what an idiot you are.

And how funny is it that you've claimed to "block all of us from your
screen", when you're still answering our posts. Not only are you an idiot,
you're a liar & a masochist, as well. You just keep coming in here to get
your ass kicked.

Ultimately, the one I feel sorry for is your ferret, if you indeed really
own one. You put a ferret to sleep cos it lost it's hair due to adrenal (as
you mentioned in one post)? Funny - one of my ferrets had adrenal disease
almost 2 yrs ago - & she's still alive & kicking, cos I got medical
treatment for her, rather than simply putting her to death when she was
still otherwise healthy. A ferret is NOT a throw-away pet, yet that's
exactly what you did - you refused to get it the proper medical treatment
needed to give it a long, healthy life, despite all the money you claim
you're rolling in. Instead, you put it to death. Well, if you're feeding
your supposed ferret you say you own now the kind of diet you say you're
feeding it (fruits & veg), you're actively doing the EXACT same thing to
that one - you're just doing it in slow motion. You are guilty of depriving
it of the nutritional requirements it needs to live a healthy life, &
eventually it will die, due to nobody's actions but your own. Sounds like a
borderline case of animal abuse & neglect to *me*. Do you torture *all* your
animals in this long, drawn-out, cruel & heartless way? Oh yeah, you really
*love* your animals, that's for sure. Only for as long as is convenient for
your lifestyle & your interest in taking care of them. Once they get a
treatable disease, you kill them, & out they go like yesterday's garbage,
eh?

Why don't you just go away? Nobody here likes you *or* your imaginary
husband. You're the laughing stock of the ng. Go away & get some help.

Oh, & BTW - aspirin doesn't do much for a cold, either, twit.

Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max

Lisa The Ferret Haven By the Sea

>
>My girls love crickets too.I just wish they wouldn't leave the
>drumsticks.LOL.

Mine do the same..we don't spray or use any chemicals on any bugs..but they
have the most fun with the roly-poly bugs! They play with them..and then crunch
'em!
Lisa Leidig, Head Ferret
The Ferret Haven "By-the-Sea"
http: www.ferrethaven.org
Want to help The Ferret Haven By-the-Sea? Register at iGive.com
by cutting and pasting this link:
http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?CID=1236&MID=854

Mike

Lin, I will explain one thing to you...once, so as to avoid anything
of a flame.

Our precious Sasha was dumped by some jerk at the back door of a pet
store, and left in a bag. At least this jerk had the courtesy to call
the store and tell them that he, "saw someone dump an animal at the
back door".

This poor little girl was abused, and definitely unknown of the age,
and because of our reputation with the pet store, we were the ones to
adopt this deaf, abused, and unknown ferret.

She lived very happily with us, and appeared to blossom from her
pathetic state that we had taken her home in. She eventually started
to go bald, beyond any amount that was regarded as 'acceptable hair
loss'. We brought her to our vet, who in turn referred us to an
expert of exotics. Yes, this included ferrets, as many of the vets
out there just don't know enough about these little furry friends that
we choose to live with.

We began treating her on Lupron right away, and did this monthly for
approximately 2 years. Surgery was out of the question, since there
was a high probability that both glands were affected, and she would
have likely not survived the surgery. (It's easy to comment when you
are looking in from the outside, but try to understand without the
blinders on your eyes. Not everything is black and white in the real
world.)

Anyway, Sasha eventually started to gain extreme weight in her
abdomen, to the point of 100 grams in one week. An x-ray revealed
that she had an enlarged spleen and a very large tumor growing in her
abdominal area. This was very disheartening, and hurt my wife and I
very much. I'm sure you've dealt with similar problems with your
ferret, as we all know how prone these little creatures happen to be
to cancer.

We stopped the Lupron at this point, since it was no longer improving
the quality of her life, and watched our little girl begin to
deteriorate. So, as if it's any of your business, we decided that now
euthanasia was the best thing for Sasha.

So get off your high horse and think about your comments before you
spit garbage at people. You really know nothing about what happened
to our little baby.

And if you don't like my wife, and don't like what she has to say,
then just stop writing her. Or is that too hard for you?

Mike

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:07:52 GMT, "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"CJ" <iorioc@rogers.com> wrote
><snippage>
>>I never wrote here for any kind of advices , never , you can
>> read the posts..!
>
>My God, for once you got something correct!
>
>You most certainly didn't come in here asking for advice - you came tromping
>in here on your Clydesdale ****GIVING**** bad diet advice out, incorrect
>info on ferrets (that they're supposedly omnivorous - a blatant piece of
>fiction), & insulting anyone who attempted to correct you. Not to mention
>saying that some of the people in here don't know as much as you think you
>do about ferrets - who have MUCH, MUCH more ferret knowledge & experience
>that you will *ever* have in your miserable life. Then you get all bent out
>of shape when you're told how ignorant you are. People who have *managed*
>ferret shelters for longer than you've probably been allowed to even own
>pets w/out your Mommy's permission. *And*, I know of at least ONE
>verterinarian, who only reads this group, who has already mentioned to me
>what an idiot you are.
>
>And how funny is it that you've claimed to "block all of us from your
>screen", when you're still answering our posts. Not only are you an idiot,
>you're a liar & a masochist, as well. You just keep coming in here to get
>your ass kicked.
>
>Ultimately, the one I feel sorry for is your ferret, if you indeed really
>own one. You put a ferret to sleep cos it lost it's hair due to adrenal (as
>you mentioned in one post)? Funny - one of my ferrets had adrenal disease
>almost 2 yrs ago - & she's still alive & kicking, cos I got medical
>treatment for her, rather than simply putting her to death when she was
>still otherwise healthy. A ferret is NOT a throw-away pet, yet that's
>exactly what you did - you refused to get it the proper medical treatment
>needed to give it a long, healthy life, despite all the money you claim
>you're rolling in. Instead, you put it to death. Well, if you're feeding
>your supposed ferret you say you own now the kind of diet you say you're
>feeding it (fruits & veg), you're actively doing the EXACT same thing to
>that one - you're just doing it in slow motion. You are guilty of depriving
>it of the nutritional requirements it needs to live a healthy life, &
>eventually it will die, due to nobody's actions but your own. Sounds like a
>borderline case of animal abuse & neglect to *me*. Do you torture *all* your
>animals in this long, drawn-out, cruel & heartless way? Oh yeah, you really
>*love* your animals, that's for sure. Only for as long as is convenient for
>your lifestyle & your interest in taking care of them. Once they get a
>treatable disease, you kill them, & out they go like yesterday's garbage,
>eh?
>
>Why don't you just go away? Nobody here likes you *or* your imaginary
>husband. You're the laughing stock of the ng. Go away & get some help.
>
>Oh, & BTW - aspirin doesn't do much for a cold, either, twit.
>
>Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>

oldmolly

"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote in message
news:e44shv4o3eqlgums7hsl9e3e0tmb5kjues@4ax.com...
> Lin, I will explain one thing to you...once, so as to avoid anything
> of a flame.
>
> Our precious Sasha was dumped by some jerk at the back door of a pet
> store, and left in a bag. At least this jerk had the courtesy to call
> the store and tell them that he, "saw someone dump an animal at the
> back door".
>
> This poor little girl was abused,
how do you know????

The reason I ask is because I run a sanctuary. When people visit, my cocker
runs away and cowers. People say "aaaah poor little doggy, so obviously
abused" and "oh poor little thing, is terrified, and has obviously been
beaten". The fact is that this is my own bitch. I bred her, she has never
been abused by anyone.She just is very wary about strangers.
So many times I hear about 'rescued' animals that have been abused, when
there is no evidence to suggest this at all.

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oldmolly

"Luna" <luna@radiks.net> wrote in message
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> Dark Jewel wrote:
>
> >Is it ok to give Ferrets hamburgers? if not then what?? I'm also not
> >intrested in feeding my ferrets live food. I will fed my Ferrets
> >Totaly Ferret, but other than that what else should i feed them to
> >keep them healthy. again i will not feed my ferets live food.
> >
> >
> If you are interested in feeding them meat but not "live food" or "fresh
> killed" or raw.. try Gerber's baby food.
> The chicken, veal, ham, turkey Second stage. Do not give them the mixes
> with veggies. The second stage chicken lists ingredients of Ground
> chicken, water and cornstarch. (Mine will not touch the other types.
> In fact Pillage picked up the jar of veal, that I'd put on the floor to
> spoon some into his bowl, and threw it at me. Just his way of saying,
> "wrong stuff lady, now give me my treat." *grin*
> Do not use the meat baby food as their only source of food as it does
> not have all the nutritional ingredients they need. But it works well
> as a treat or to hide medicines in.

It is useful as a treat etc but I have a big problem with people who keep
carnivorous animals and refuse to feed them meat.

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I gotta jump in here on this one....

I have been feeding mice to my ferrets since day one and here are some
observations......

(Many of you have already heard me expound on this before, but it is [IMHO]
worth repeating.....)

First and foremost, I believe the key to longevity in any animal, is keeping
their minds active....I do so in many different ways...lots of interaction,
teaching and maintaining behavioral modifications (tricks!), and, feeding live
food and letting the ferrets do the killing.

The act of stalking and playing and killing the prey is all part of what is
natural to the ferret and as such, keeps their cunning little minds active.
(I should note that not all my ferrets will kill or, even eat live prey. They
all stalk and play with mice)

Eating a freshly killed mouse is highly beneficial to an obligate carnivore
like a ferret. The nutritional value is better than any supplemental food we
can offer our companions.....(I should note that this is also my own opinion,
for a more qualified study on the benefits of live feed, feel free to read
some of the nutritional reports written by Robert Church, one of the more
learned ferret folk we have the pleasure of knowing.) [Someone having the URL
of his series of nutrition articles they could post, I would be most
appreciative!)

With the exception of Tuzigoot, ALL of my ferrets have lived to see 10 years
plus. I *believe* their long lived companionship is/was for the above
reasons. I don't give my friends anything more than what many of you give
them...I don't believe in any of the snake oil's offered up..like Timmy's
Tonic or colloidal silver, etc.

MC, The Rude One

Lin

"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote
>She eventually started
> to go bald, beyond any amount that was regarded as 'acceptable hair
> loss'. We brought her to our vet, who in turn referred us to an
> expert of exotics. Yes, this included ferrets, as many of the vets
> out there just don't know enough about these little furry friends that
> we choose to live with.

First mistake - you took responsibility for an animal of a species that you
obviously knew *nothing* about (&, judging from the rest of your sob story,
didn't bother to learn about once she was in your home). Second mistake -
you didn't even get this little one proper medical treatment until it was
too late. You should have taken her to a ferret-knowledgable vet the very
second you brought her into your home, for neccessary shots, physical exam,
etc. Third mistake - you shirked your responsibility towards this little
soul until she "started to go bald", which, in her case, was too late.

I'll snip the rest of your story, as it's immaterial by what I stated above.
Am I sorry you lost your pet? Yes. But I'm even *sorrier* that she came into
the possession of people like YOU - who didn't even bother to have her
checked out before it was too late. Yes, my Ariel had adrenal disease, but
thanks to the fact that I kept an eye on her, knew what was & wasn't normal
about the nuances of her behavior & apprearance, & took immediate action w/
my ferret-knowledgable vet, Ariel didn't even *begin* to lose any hair (&
only a small clump from her tail) until the very morning I brought her in
for her adrenal surgery - we already *knew* what was wrong w/ her, through
physical exams, lab work, ultrasounds, etc, which were done w/in a wk of my
noticing the subtle signs that something was up. If you gave half a damn
about your pet, as something other than a mere possession, you would have
done the same. No excuse, other than your own stupidity & lack of interest
in educating yourself before it was too late for her. She paid for your
stupidity w/ her life.

> So get off your high horse and think about your comments before you
> spit garbage at people. You really know nothing about what happened
> to our little baby.

Your "little baby"? The one you didn't care to learn anything about until it
was too late?

> And if you don't like my wife, and don't like what she has to say,
> then just stop writing her. Or is that too hard for you?

If you &/or your "wife" continue to post pure crap in here, the chips will
fall where they will fall. And I'm not writing to "her" - I'm posting
messages to this ng. Apparently you're too stupid to know the difference. I
have not sent your "wife" any personal emails. So don't imply that I *have*.

Maybe it's too hard for YOU to understand THIS: People in here don't seem to
like you much. Yet you continue to come in here to get your ass kicked, over
& over & over again, ad nausium. The people in here not only know more than
you do (& you've already expressed your disinterest in leaning *anything*),
but were here looooong before you were, & will continue to be, long after
you leave. So why don't you leave NOW & get it over w/? Don't you have any
friends? Don't you have a life? Are you *that* pathetic?

Just LEAVE already, before you make youself look like an even *bigger*
idiot.

Jim Higgins

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:54:28 -0700, in
<3F1EA1A4.A29499CE@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org>, MC
<MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote:

>...for a more qualified study on the benefits of live feed, feel free to read
>some of the nutritional reports written by Robert Church, one of the more
>learned ferret folk we have the pleasure of knowing.) [Someone having the URL
>of his series of nutrition articles they could post, I would be most
>appreciative!)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1D423E55

--
Jim Higgins

Mike

She always had a strange walk, and it so much seemed like she was
thrown against a wall or something. She was a very sweet girl, but
there was something physically wrong with her. It wasn't genetic, but
caused by some sort of trauma to her body. It wasn't at all a normal
ferret walk.

But I do agree with you, many times people can't tell the difference
between abused and shy.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:33:50 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>
>"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote in message
>news:e44shv4o3eqlgums7hsl9e3e0tmb5kjues@4ax.com...
>> Lin, I will explain one thing to you...once, so as to avoid anything
>> of a flame.
>>
>> Our precious Sasha was dumped by some jerk at the back door of a pet
>> store, and left in a bag. At least this jerk had the courtesy to call
>> the store and tell them that he, "saw someone dump an animal at the
>> back door".
>>
>> This poor little girl was abused,
>how do you know????
>
>The reason I ask is because I run a sanctuary. When people visit, my cocker
>runs away and cowers. People say "aaaah poor little doggy, so obviously
>abused" and "oh poor little thing, is terrified, and has obviously been
>beaten". The fact is that this is my own bitch. I bred her, she has never
>been abused by anyone.She just is very wary about strangers.
>So many times I hear about 'rescued' animals that have been abused, when
>there is no evidence to suggest this at all.
>
>
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Mike

Do I give a damn of what you feel about me? Not really. But when you
sit and spout garbage, it shows your true nature.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:37:49 GMT, "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote
>>She eventually started
>> to go bald, beyond any amount that was regarded as 'acceptable hair
>> loss'. We brought her to our vet, who in turn referred us to an
>> expert of exotics. Yes, this included ferrets, as many of the vets
>> out there just don't know enough about these little furry friends that
>> we choose to live with.
>
>First mistake - you took responsibility for an animal of a species that you
>obviously knew *nothing* about (&, judging from the rest of your sob story,
>didn't bother to learn about once she was in your home). Second mistake -
>you didn't even get this little one proper medical treatment until it was
>too late. You should have taken her to a ferret-knowledgable vet the very
>second you brought her into your home, for neccessary shots, physical exam,
>etc. Third mistake - you shirked your responsibility towards this little
>soul until she "started to go bald", which, in her case, was too late.
>
>I'll snip the rest of your story, as it's immaterial by what I stated above.
>Am I sorry you lost your pet? Yes. But I'm even *sorrier* that she came into
>the possession of people like YOU - who didn't even bother to have her
>checked out before it was too late. Yes, my Ariel had adrenal disease, but
>thanks to the fact that I kept an eye on her, knew what was & wasn't normal
>about the nuances of her behavior & apprearance, & took immediate action w/
>my ferret-knowledgable vet, Ariel didn't even *begin* to lose any hair (&
>only a small clump from her tail) until the very morning I brought her in
>for her adrenal surgery - we already *knew* what was wrong w/ her, through
>physical exams, lab work, ultrasounds, etc, which were done w/in a wk of my
>noticing the subtle signs that something was up. If you gave half a damn
>about your pet, as something other than a mere possession, you would have
>done the same. No excuse, other than your own stupidity & lack of interest
>in educating yourself before it was too late for her. She paid for your
>stupidity w/ her life.
>
>> So get off your high horse and think about your comments before you
>> spit garbage at people. You really know nothing about what happened
>> to our little baby.
>
>Your "little baby"? The one you didn't care to learn anything about until it
>was too late?
>
>> And if you don't like my wife, and don't like what she has to say,
>> then just stop writing her. Or is that too hard for you?
>
>If you &/or your "wife" continue to post pure crap in here, the chips will
>fall where they will fall. And I'm not writing to "her" - I'm posting
>messages to this ng. Apparently you're too stupid to know the difference. I
>have not sent your "wife" any personal emails. So don't imply that I *have*.
>
>Maybe it's too hard for YOU to understand THIS: People in here don't seem to
>like you much. Yet you continue to come in here to get your ass kicked, over
>& over & over again, ad nausium. The people in here not only know more than
>you do (& you've already expressed your disinterest in leaning *anything*),
>but were here looooong before you were, & will continue to be, long after
>you leave. So why don't you leave NOW & get it over w/? Don't you have any
>friends? Don't you have a life? Are you *that* pathetic?
>
>Just LEAVE already, before you make youself look like an even *bigger*
>idiot.
>

Based on Bob Church's writings on The Ferret Mailing list I am trying
to make the move to using ground whole chix, with bones and any organs
that come with it. The new roommate has excess rats from the snake.
We only feed those to the mink right now. I know there aren't enough
rats for all of her ferrets and mine. I may stick to the whole chix
for now. With so manyof my ferrets being rescues, I don't know how
many would even eat meat, let alone mice.

I need to follow up with my brother about getting live chix. He likes
to hold onto them until they can be sexed.

KG

MC <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message news:<3F1EA1A4.A29499CE@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org>...

> With the exception of Tuzigoot, ALL of my ferrets have lived to see 10 years
> plus. I *believe* their long lived companionship is/was for the above
> reasons. I don't give my friends anything more than what many of you give
> them...I don't believe in any of the snake oil's offered up..like Timmy's
> Tonic or colloidal silver, etc.
>
> MC, The Rude One

Okay, guys, I admit, I can't resist, even if it is shooting fish in a
barrel. I've just been way to hypomanic anyway.

Mike <champagne@midnight.com> wrote in message news:<6100iv0o376kca8024t53koigsdkqvnn8d@4ax.com>...
> Do I give a damn of what you feel about me? Not really. But when you
> sit and spout garbage, it shows your true nature.

Monkee see, monkee do, glad we're not monkees just like you. (Oh yes,
monkee is spelled monkey)

> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:37:49 GMT, "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote

> >> And if you don't like my wife, and don't like what she has to say,
> >> then just stop writing her. Or is that too hard for you?
> >

Sweetie, I'm the one who doesn't like your wife and keeps calling her
an idiot in subject lines. *Don't* blame Lin for what I do. As for
the asskicking she just gave you on poor care of your ferret; you
*desrved*. Until you learn more about ferrets, don't come into this
forum pretending you know something and spouting nonsense. I've had
ferrets 9 yrs and I've learned so much in that time. I don't even
keep, treat, or feed my ferrets the same way I did 9 yrs ago. My two
girls from that period lived to be 9 and 11 and were put to sleep in
May. I didn't do it all wrong. The rest lived to be at least 6.

> >Just LEAVE already, before you make youself look like an even *bigger*
> >idiot.

Lin, you go girl! Wanna tag team? LOL!

KG

Lin

"KG" <katgall@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:9ad00fda.0307241537.61a7aa72@posting.google.com...
> Okay, guys, I admit, I can't resist, even if it is shooting fish in a
> barrel. I've just been way to hypomanic anyway.
>
> Mike <champagne@midnight.com> wrote in message
news:<6100iv0o376kca8024t53koigsdkqvnn8d@4ax.com>...
> > Do I give a damn of what you feel about me? Not really. But when you
> > sit and spout garbage, it shows your true nature.
>
> Monkee see, monkee do, glad we're not monkees just like you. (Oh yes,
> monkee is spelled monkey)
>
> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:37:49 GMT, "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mike" <champagne@midnight.com> wrote
>
> > >> And if you don't like my wife, and don't like what she has to say,
> > >> then just stop writing her. Or is that too hard for you?
> > >
>
> Sweetie, I'm the one who doesn't like your wife and keeps calling her
> an idiot in subject lines. *Don't* blame Lin for what I do. As for
> the asskicking she just gave you on poor care of your ferret; you
> *desrved*. Until you learn more about ferrets, don't come into this
> forum pretending you know something and spouting nonsense. I've had
> ferrets 9 yrs and I've learned so much in that time. I don't even
> keep, treat, or feed my ferrets the same way I did 9 yrs ago. My two
> girls from that period lived to be 9 and 11 and were put to sleep in
> May. I didn't do it all wrong. The rest lived to be at least 6.
>
> > >Just LEAVE already, before you make youself look like an even *bigger*
> > >idiot.
>
>
> Lin, you go girl! Wanna tag team? LOL!

Who's gonna supply the punked-out wrestling super-hero outfits? :-D

Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max

>
> KG

Hello KG,
glad to hear you don't like me , hope you don't , I always keep "things"like
you very far from me , thank god for computers!! Actually I consider it an
honor !
>
> Monkee see, monkee do, glad we're not monkees just like you. (Oh yes,
I love monkeys , that's a great compliment , thank you , what I see is that
you hate animals in general .......your roommate breeds rats specifically to
feed them to ...what?Your minks , his snakes.....? You know , I have this
incredible wish , but unfortunately not the power to see it come true.....I
wish I could lock you in a cage with a lion ....throw the key away and
watch.....!!!!!It will all go back to you and all the psychos in this
group....just one day!
It's all about power , isn't it? This horrible world we all live in , but
it's just people like you and few more here(not all) that make it even
worse!
Please , hate me , as much as you can ...I love it , it makes me happy !

do. As for
> the asskicking she just gave you on poor care of your ferret; you
> *desrved*. Until you learn more about ferrets, don't come into this
> forum pretending you know something and spouting nonsense.
Oh my god.......which "asskicking"are you talking about?Who , Lin? That poor
little creep? All she's doing is making herself look even more foolish ....!
You all know NOTHING at all about us or people like us , or what happened to
our Sasha......! Who said we didn't take her to the vet for a COMPLETE
health check as soon as we rescued her?What are you a retard? You must be ,
Lin..!
Oh , I bet you know much more than good vets know about how to run a health
check ....! She was fine , except for her deafness and her little limp
......you don't want me to write a book about all the vet checks she's been
through , do you?What do you know? You know nothing at all , nor about
health care , not about diet ....nor about us! ALL my pets and horses have
THE BEST assistance and health care they could possibly have , not sure
about yours and your primitive way of feeding them..or your minks!!
I will leave whenever I feel .......and come back , just so you'll hate me
more , I love that !!!

By the way , judging by the pictures I've seen of your minks (cute)and
ferrets etc. it would be my advice to keep them in newer cages , an
environment with more light ..and definitely cleaner !!! If you were in
Canada I would send you the animal protection's inspector , they would take
them away from you and probably put bleach all over your floor .....it looks
gross!!! Yuck.
So , shut up and stop scaring other people that are trying to come here for
some sane advices ....somebody the other day almost had to beg you not to
even suggest feeding his/her ferrets live food......!
YOU are pathetic!
Goodnight princess ........
CJ

"KG" <katgall@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:9ad00fda.0307241537.61a7aa72@posting.google.com...
> Okay, guys, I admit, I can't resist, even if it is shooting fish in a
> barrel. I've just been way to hypomanic anyway.
>
> Mike <champagne@midnight.com> wrote in message
news:<6100iv0o376kca8024t53koigsdkqvnn8d@4ax.com>...
> > Do I give a damn of what you feel about me? Not really. But when you
> > sit and spout garbage, it shows your true nature.
>
> Monkee see, monkee do, glad we're not monkees just like you. (Oh yes,
> monkee is spelled monkey)
>