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| Julia Altshuler |
Like kitchen counter surfing and garbage can raiding, toilet paper shredding is
one of the hardest habits to unteach. Daisy is doing it because it is fun. It
is self rewarding. That means you'll have the worst time stopping the behavior
by rewarding her for doing something else. That leaves doing something to make
it less fun for her. You might try rigging up some sort of mechanism that would
frighten her when she touched the toilet paper. I've heard of jeri-rigging
garbage cans with noise makers or putting bitter apple on the forbidden item,
but honestly, I recommend plain placing the toilet paper out of her reach or
keeping the bathroom doors closed all the time.
--Lia
Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
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> I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier female)
> that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
> She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
>
> She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly happily
> ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
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| Leah |
>Dilbert Firestorm scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com
wrote:
>I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
>female)
>that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
>She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
The easiest solution? Close the bathroom door.
>She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly happily
>
>ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
You can't train what you can't see. It's an extremely self-rewarding behavior
(it feels so good to her!), and you can't do anything to remove the reward.
Nor is there any way to "tell" her what it is you're upset about when you find
it after the fact.
I have a couple of closed doors in my house. :}
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| Katra |
Emily Carroll wrote:
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> 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
> female)
> > that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
> > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> >
> > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
> happily
> > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
>
> My cats have a TP fetish. We just put it on the counter instead of the roll
> except when guests are over. And then we carefully supervise the cats.
>
> ~Emily
>
Have you tried just keeping the bathroom door shut? ;-)
None of my animals are allowed in the bathroom, or dad's bedroom, and
none of the cats are allowed in the den where the computers are kept.
Doors are great preventitive measures.
Simple. <G>
K.
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| John |
My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to be in
standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody murder. he
he
"Emily Carroll" <carrol82@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
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> 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
> female)
> > that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
roll.
> > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> >
> > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
> happily
> > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
>
> My cats have a TP fetish. We just put it on the counter instead of the
roll
> except when guests are over. And then we carefully supervise the cats.
>
> ~Emily
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| Julia Altshuler |
Has it helped? Does the cat still shred toilet paper even after the punishment?
--Lia
John wrote:
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> My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to be in
> standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody murder. he
> he
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| Ob-1 |
That is cruel and uncalled for you ass hole!
Just keep the damn bathroom door shut for gods sake!
Works for me, I have over 20 cats insided...
K.
John wrote:
> My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to be in
> standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody murder. he
> he
>
> "Emily Carroll" <carrol82@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
> news:bas9jp$24p9$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
> > 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
> > female)
> > > that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
> roll.
> > > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> > >
> > > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
> > happily
> > > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
> >
> > My cats have a TP fetish. We just put it on the counter instead of the
> roll
> > except when guests are over. And then we carefully supervise the cats.
> >
> > ~Emily
> >
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| Ob-1 |
This jerk just sounds like a cat hater to me...
I'd divorce his sorry ass if he tortured MY cats like that!
K.
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Has it helped? Does the cat still shred toilet paper even after the punishment?
> --Lia
>
> John wrote:
> >
> > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to be in
> > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody murder. he
> > he
> >
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| Emily Carroll |
> My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to be
in
> standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody murder.
he
> he
If you have to do it more than 3 times, it's not working.
Cats don't like to be in standing water (except when you're trying to mop,
for some reason) but that doesn't mean that it works as a punishment.
That said, bathtime was a GREAT cure for the biting. Snot (my kitten) had
this thing about biting when she wanted down, not hard, but still.
~Emily
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| Loewen-Roberts |
Give your dog more supervised play time.
Excersize her more.
Don't let her go into the bathroom
"Dilbert Firestorm" <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
female)
> that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
> She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
>
> She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
happily
> ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
>
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| The Puppy Wizard |
HOWEDY simpleton,
"Katra" <Katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Emily Carroll wrote:
> >
> > 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish
terrier
> > > female) that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the
cardboard
> > > roll.
That's EZ!
> > > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
Tough break.
> > > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her,
Right. Cause you'll punish her. That's what killed Maggie today.
> > > behind my back, she's prolly happily
> > > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
Right. Like Maggie and the Gorilla Glue.
> > My cats have a TP fetish.
No DHOWET.
> > We just put it on the counter instead of the roll
> > except when guests are over.
Yeah... cause you don't know HOWE to TRAIN them not to take it.
> > And then we carefully supervise the cats.
Yeah, like perry did the Gorilla Glue.
> > ~Emily
Tell us HOWE koehler would break this problem?
> Have you tried just keeping the bathroom door shut? ;-)
BWWAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> None of my animals are allowed in the bathroom, or dad's bedroom, and
> none of the cats are allowed in the den where the computers are kept.
Cause your critters are HOWET of control.
> Doors are great preventitive measures.
Yeah. Till WON is left open. Ask peejoe and gwen honey
and lie abHOWET their dogs escaping. Some of them
are DEAD. Like Misty's DEAD DOG Peach. But she's
only DEAD on account of roo (alikat) and ed w of pet
loss dot con LIED to her and told her The Puppy
Wizzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual was dangerHOWES and ineffective.
> Simple. <G>
Yeah. That's HOWE COME Maggie and many other dogs
are DEAD.
> K.
> >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< Katra@centurytel.net >^,,^<
>
> Breast Implants are the Stupidest idea ever. If I wanted to fondle
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HOWEDY leon,
Maggie got DEAD on account of her owner
tried to prevent her from stealing stuff and
punished her when she got caught...
That's HOWE COME dogs EAT POISON
behind HOWER backs.
Ask janet boss, didder, stan the man, we got
LOTS of folks here who can't train their dogs
not to steal garbage and eat doody.
Ask ed w of petloss dot con.
Oh, bye the bye, get the heel HOWETA my forum.
The Puppy Wizzzard. <};~ ) >
> > Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time
> > From: p@cfl.rr.com
> > To: Witsenddog@aol.com
> >
> > Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
> > Dog Training Method works.
> >
> > My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
> > around the barbecue on the patio. I
> > used this system on four different occasions.
> >
> > When she went out today, she looked
> > everywhere else but the barbecue.
> >
> > Amazing, just amazing.
> >
> > I will write to Amanda about the video.
> >
> > I am really excited to learn more, and
> > understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
> > that I am going about it the right way.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Paul
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
> > Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
> > Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
> >
> > It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out
> > of a cat bowl without too much difficulty.
> >
> > My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls
> > although Roz licks up any bits that have been
> > dropped around the bowls :-)
> >
> > I used a can with stones in it to create a
> > distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat
> > the cats food, followed with immediate praise.
> >
> > It worked a treat.
> >
> > The cats bowls are down all the time, usually
> > there is food left over but the dogs don't eat it,
> > even if we go out and leave the dogs with
> > access inside through a dog door.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Obedience and affection are not related, if they
> > were everyone would have obedient dogs.
> >
> > See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....
> >
> > http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html
> >
> > Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
> >
> > ====================
> >
> > "misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> >
> > > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> > > I do know she's not here with us. I really
> > > can't blame anyone here for her loss.
> >
> > > I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did
> > > it because of how you write/wrote. I was
> > > unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> > > a shock collar could have any bearing on
> > > Peach not wanting to stay home.
> >
> > > Up until I started using it my main concern
> > > had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
> >
> > > Once I started using the e-fence...well, then
> > > my concern became how to keep them from
> > > running off for days on end.
> >
> > > I lost valuable training time becoming
> > > embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> > > the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> >
> > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> > > the world now <g>
> >
> > > A Wits End Trained dog, one who is
> > > completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> > > up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark
> > > all the time.
> >
> > > IOW a great companion and friend.
> >
> > > Thanks Jerry!
> >
> > =====================
> >
> > "misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.ne
> >
> > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence
> > > this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We
> > > now have one dog and no collars.
> >
> > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence,
> > > not want to come back in the yard and would
> > > run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
> > > back home.
> >
> > > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn
> > > how to train my dog. She is now border trained.
> > > A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to
> > > stay in the yard.
> >
> > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can
> > > stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
> > > cringes when we walk around the yard.
> >
> > > I can not say loud or long enough how much
> > > I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't
> > > get a regular fence then you need to train your
> > > dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to
> > > keep my dog in our yard again.
> >
> > > The price was too high:-(
> > > ~misty
> >
> > ============
> >
> > "misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:1199-3BD34D6A-229@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >
> > > Jerry has taken the time to help me out
> > > off the NG. I have a very loud cockatoo
> > > who has been having problems adjusting
> > > to my 8 month old son.
> >
> > > Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use
> > > Buddy's cage as a hold on for dear life
> > > object.
> >
> > > Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior
> > > to Joey.. my older two boys went through
> > > this stage in a different house where
> > > Buddy had his own room and the boys
> > > had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
> >
> > > Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny"
> > > humans. Joey has been driving him nuts!
> > > He showed his disapproval by non-stop
> > > screaming. A cockatoo scream can be
> > > heard a block away with all the widows
> > > shut <g> being in the house it makes
> > > your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
> >
> > > Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent
> > > instructions on how to use it. He answered
> > > my questions quite politely.
> >
> > > I have been using the DDR in my kitchen
> > > ( where Buddy is located~ teensy 4 room
> > > house) for 3 weeks.
> >
> > > At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's
> > > behavior. Then I realized after a week that
> > > he no longer screamed for hours on end.
> >
> > > This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg>
> > > he still demands his share of all meals. But
> > > he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when
> > > he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.
> >
> > > Last week he had a day where he screamed
> > > all day. My nerves were frazzled. I went to
> > > turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
> > > instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off!
> >
> > > I turned it back on and left it on the lowest
> > > setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit
> > > screaming.
> >
> > > In the time that I've had the DDR on I've
> > > had a lot of c*ts come to my house. One I
> > > adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
> > > He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means
> > > c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
> > > and Zelda.
> >
> > > I may not like how Jerry treats other posters
> > > but I do like the methods he shares. Being
> > > on a limited budget I like things that are free.
> > > I also like the fact that I can e-mail
> > > him and get advice whenever I need it.
> >
> > > Even my DH who is a technical minded
> > > kind of guy thinks the DDR is working.
> > > ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
> > > electronics, knows alot about radios and
> > > anything mechanical... he's a jack of all
> > > trades around the house <g>). He does
> > > NDT for a living.
> >
> > > We don't expect to need the DDR forever..
> > > As soon as Joey is walking, Buddy will
> > > realize that he's not a strange animal..
> > > some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
> >
> > ==============================
> >
> > <"Terri"@cyberhighway
> >
> > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> > > He has millions of people aleady reading
> > > his posts and watching him extract his soggy
> > > foot out of his mouth!
> >
> > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2
> > > naive childs come forward and actually
> > > believe in his training manual.
> >
> > Robert Crim writes:
> >
> > I assume that I and my wife are those two
> > naive childs since I freely admit to having
> > read and, I hope, understood enough of the
> > manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
> > and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
> > and use it.
> >
> > This naive child would like to say thank you
> > to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
> > a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
> > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
> >
> > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
> > the nagging idea that if people like them had
> > been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
> > had to hold the head of a really magnificent
> > animal in our arms while he was given the
> > needle and having to hug him and wait until
> > he gasped his last gasp.
> >
> > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
> > terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is
> > believing that people that hide behind fake
> > names are more honest than people that use
> > their real names.
> >
> > Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
> > and amateur "trainers" like Joey
> > (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
> > than those that have studied and lived by their
> > craft for decades.
> >
> > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see
> > kindergarten level insults for what they are.
> >
> > Really stupid is believing that people like
> > Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
> > to just go away because you people act like
> > fools. Why do you act like fools? I really
> > have no idea, and I don't really care.
> >
> > > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come
> > > forward and actually admit to buying and
> > > having success with his little black box.
> >
> > I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
> > day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
> > their use and testing. You would never believe
> > the results, so you'll never know.
> >
> > > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> > > coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> > > is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
> >
> > I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
> > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
> >
> > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
> >
> > >Terri
> >
> > Yes it was, and that is sad.
> >
> > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
> > to the box first?)
> >
> > --------==========================----
"Leon" <removespamlcb11211@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> Why don't you crawl back in the hole you came from.....Plonk..
>
> "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > HOWEDY bay area dave,
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <davea@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:3ED10570.E95A2EE2@nospam.com...
> >
> > > Hope your dog is going to be ok.
> >
> > Yeah. We're big on non denominational
> > HOPE, here abHOWETS.
> >
> > > Keep us posted.
> >
> > She's gonna stick arHOWEnd awhile.
> >
> > > Quite a few years ago my cockapoo
> > > got into Bakers chocolate which was
> > > stored on the bottom shelf of our pantry.
> >
> > Because you don't know HOWE to train
> > your dog not to steal stuff...
> >
> > > She nearly died that night
> > > from a racing heart.
> >
> > No. She nearly died that night on account
> > of an incompetent owner.
> >
> > > Chocolate is poisonous to dogs,
> >
> > That so?
> >
> > > and Baker's is the most poisonous of all.
> >
> > Not if you don't allow your dog to steal.
> >
> > > The primary culprits are theobromine and
> > > caffeine
> >
> > No. The primary culprits are incompetent
> > blowhards like you and your lying dog abusin
> > Punk Thug Coward pals here, dave.
> >
> > > which are more present in baker's.
> >
> > We got poison righ here...
> >
> > > dave
> >
> > You bring it to us.
> >
> >
> > Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time
> > From: p@cfl.rr.com
> > To: Witsenddog@aol.com
> >
> > Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
> > Dog Training Method works.
> >
> > My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
> > around the barbecue on the patio. I
> > used this system on four different occasions.
> >
> > When she went out today, she looked
> > everywhere else but the barbecue.
> >
> > Amazing, just amazing.
> >
> > I will write to Amanda about the video.
> >
> > I am really excited to learn more, and
> > understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
> > that I am going about it the right way.
> >
> > Thanks again
> > Paul
> >
> > =========================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Jerry.
> >
> > I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that
> > I agree with (or even understand) 100% of
> > what you say in this manual ... BUT ... we
> > had "come" down pat in a few reps and you
> > could have knocked me down when I tried
> > the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps
> > in different spots Darwin practically *threw*
> > the rubber ball at my feet on command.
> >
> > He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all,
> > and he's stubborn enough to want to push
> > and test me a little bit more).
> >
> > For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt
> > you have) how your usenet manner is likely
> > to rankle a few folks, but that woman who
> > advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
> > deserves everything she gets. Even if that
> > was the only method that would work, I'd live
> > with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
> >
> > (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
> > tho').
> >
> > Best, ben
> >
> > ===================
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| Loewen-Roberts |
> I was thinking of doing exactly that with the toilet paper. one thing
tho, she
> doesn't appear to do it on my parents toilet papers. it might be that it
was
> her way of getting my attention... so I dunno.
Dogs don't really think like that. IF she brough it to you, and started to
play with it in front of you, then yes, she might have ben trying to get yor
attention.
> I did catch her in the act of shredding the toilet paper one time and when
she
> saw me, she rolled over to her back pretending to be innocent.....(at
least it
> seemed like it)
Again, not in dog language. Dogs don't lie, or pretend. That's why we love
them! (They are so unlike us). Your dog was rolling over to be submissive,
to not get in trouble.
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| Loewen-Roberts |
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3ED20DAD.608B3887@attbi.com...
> Like kitchen counter surfing and garbage can raiding, toilet paper
shredding is
> one of the hardest habits to unteach. Daisy is doing it because it is
fun. It
> is self rewarding. That means you'll have the worst time stopping the
behavior
> by rewarding her for doing something else. That leaves doing something to
make
> it less fun for her. You might try rigging up some sort of mechanism that
would
> frighten her when she touched the toilet paper.
THis is very scary advice. Then you will end up with nothing short of a
neurotic dog.
If you think this is one of the hardest things to untrain a dog to do, I am
glad you have had such a realitivlye asy time with your canines.
I've heard of jeri-rigging
> garbage cans with noise makers or putting bitter apple on the forbidden
item,
> but honestly, I recommend plain placing the toilet paper out of her reach
or
> keeping the bathroom doors closed all the time.
>
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| The Puppy Wizard |
HOWEDY Dilbert,
Your pal kevin got no advice for you...
"Dilbert Firestorm" <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
news:bassbh$blk$1@news.datasync.com...
> Kevin Michael Vail wrote:
> > In article <bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com>,
> > Dilbert Firestorm <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish
> >>terrier female) that apparently likes to shred toilet papers
> >>including the cardboard roll. She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> >>
> >>She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
happily
> >>ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
> >
> >
> > Toby went through this phase. I don't know how old Daisy is, but if
> > she's still a puppy or just past puppyhood, she may leave it behind as
> > she gets older. Until then, just set the roll on the counter or
> > someplace where she can't reach it.
>
> um, I suppose she's still a puppy at 9-10 months?
>
> I was thinking of doing exactly that with the toilet paper. one thing
tho, she
> doesn't appear to do it on my parents toilet papers. it might be that it
was
> her way of getting my attention... so I dunno.
>
> I did catch her in the act of shredding the toilet paper one time and when
she
> saw me, she rolled over to her back pretending to be innocent.....(at
least it
> seemed like it)
>
>
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| John |
I do hate cats. They're worthless. Nothing like cutting one side of their
whiskers off...........i'm j/k to everyone but Ob-1.
"Ob-1" <SOS@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:3ED248FA.EC730EF2@grandecom.net...
> This jerk just sounds like a cat hater to me...
> I'd divorce his sorry ass if he tortured MY cats like that!
>
> K.
>
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> > Has it helped? Does the cat still shred toilet paper even after the
punishment?
> > --Lia
> >
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to
be in
> > > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and
putting
> > > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody
murder. he
> > > he
> > >
>
> --
> Worlds' largest producer of Lin Xhi (Kombucha) Synergisms
>
>
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| Old Nick |
On Mon, 26 May 2003 22:03:54 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote something
.......and in reply I say!:
Ahhh no!. WTF's going on? I LEF the doggie areas to get away from
this, without ever posting my question.
Fundamental rule.The means ALWAYS becomes the end.
Nick White --- HEAD:Hertz Music
Please remove ns from my header address to reply via email
!!
<")
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| Katra |
No, I just happen to love cats... and they are all rescues, and
spayed/neutered. I have no [human] children so I can AFFORD to care for
that many.
Shove it cat hater!
K.
John wrote:
>
> If you have over 20 cats, you have mental problems. You're trying to replace
> something that is missing in your life with nasty cats.
>
> "Ob-1" <SOS@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:3ED248AC.2A585CB8@grandecom.net...
> > That is cruel and uncalled for you ass hole!
> >
> > Just keep the damn bathroom door shut for gods sake!
> >
> > Works for me, I have over 20 cats insided...
> >
> > K.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >
> > > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to
> be in
> > > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> > > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody
> murder. he
> > > he
> > >
> > > "Emily Carroll" <carrol82@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:bas9jp$24p9$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
> > > > 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
> news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > > > > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish
> terrier
> > > > female)
> > > > > that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
> > > roll.
> > > > > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> > > > >
> > > > > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's
> prolly
> > > > happily
> > > > > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
> > > >
> > > > My cats have a TP fetish. We just put it on the counter instead of
> the
> > > roll
> > > > except when guests are over. And then we carefully supervise the
> cats.
> > > >
> > > > ~Emily
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
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| Katra |
It is pointless to argue or even discuss this with a total loser like you!
'bye!
<plonk!>
K.
John wrote:
>
> I do hate cats. They're worthless. Nothing like cutting one side of their
> whiskers off...........i'm j/k to everyone but Ob-1.
>
> "Ob-1" <SOS@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:3ED248FA.EC730EF2@grandecom.net...
> > This jerk just sounds like a cat hater to me...
> > I'd divorce his sorry ass if he tortured MY cats like that!
> >
> > K.
> >
> > Julia Altshuler wrote:
> >
> > > Has it helped? Does the cat still shred toilet paper even after the
> punishment?
> > > --Lia
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to
> be in
> > > > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and
> putting
> > > > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody
> murder. he
> > > > he
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Worlds' largest producer of Lin Xhi (Kombucha) Synergisms
> >
> >
--
>^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< Katra@centurytel.net >^,,^<
Breast Implants are the Stupidest idea ever. If I wanted to fondle
$10,000.oo worth of Silicon, I'd buy a new computer! --Anon.
Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry
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| Glenn Cramond |
Dilbert Firestorm <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message news:<bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com>...
> I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier female)
> that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
> She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
>
> She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly happily
> ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
A guy is sitting in a bar talking to his hand. The bartender asks him
what he's doing and the guy says, "I'm using the telephone."
The bartender looks at him as if he's crazy and says, "No, you
aren't, you are just talking in your hand." The guy says, "No, I
really am having a phone conversation -- I had a micro chip and
transmitter installed in my hand last week."
The bartender shrugs and goes about his business. A few minutes later
the guy disappears into the bathroom and he's gone about forty-five
minutes. The bartender starts to get worried so he goes into the
men's room to see if the guy is okay.
When he gets there, he finds the guy standing in the middle of the
bathroom with both hands in the air, his pants down around his ankles
and a roll of toilet paper stuck in his butt crack.
The bartender is flabbergasted and so he asks, "What are you doing
now?" The guy replies, "I'm waiting for a fax."
Glenn
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| Loewen-Roberts |
Or you could jsut wait until the dog goes in there, and stop her.
If you dog is smart and respects you, that would take no time at all.
If your dog... well, some dogs might take longer to get this.
Isn't closing the door jus tlike, well, giving up?
"Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF> wrote in message
news:20030526095123.27067.00000307@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >Dilbert Firestorm scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com
> wrote:
> >I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
> >female)
> >that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
roll.
> >She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
>
> The easiest solution? Close the bathroom door.
>
> >She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly
happily
> >
> >ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
>
> You can't train what you can't see. It's an extremely self-rewarding
behavior
> (it feels so good to her!), and you can't do anything to remove the
reward.
> Nor is there any way to "tell" her what it is you're upset about when you
find
> it after the fact.
>
> I have a couple of closed doors in my house. :}
>
> PetsMart Pet Trainer
> See My Furry Family At:
> http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/dogs0
>
>
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| John |
If you have over 20 cats, you have mental problems. You're trying to replace
something that is missing in your life with nasty cats.
"Ob-1" <SOS@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:3ED248AC.2A585CB8@grandecom.net...
> That is cruel and uncalled for you ass hole!
>
> Just keep the damn bathroom door shut for gods sake!
>
> Works for me, I have over 20 cats insided...
>
> K.
>
> John wrote:
>
> > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to
be in
> > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody
murder. he
> > he
> >
> > "Emily Carroll" <carrol82@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:bas9jp$24p9$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
> > > 55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
news:bas8ss$usm$1@news.datasync.com...
> > > > I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish
terrier
> > > female)
> > > > that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
> > roll.
> > > > She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
> > > >
> > > > She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's
prolly
> > > happily
> > > > ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
> > >
> > > My cats have a TP fetish. We just put it on the counter instead of
the
> > roll
> > > except when guests are over. And then we carefully supervise the
cats.
> > >
> > > ~Emily
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Worlds' largest producer of Lin Xhi (Kombucha) Synergisms
>
>
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| John |
Nope. The cat doesn't get on any furniture or counter, either. What's the
funniest is when my lab puts his whole head in his mouth. Just like the man
in the lion's mouth. Nothing but slobber.
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3ED241DD.9A0351EF@attbi.com...
> Has it helped? Does the cat still shred toilet paper even after the
punishment?
> --Lia
>
>
> John wrote:
> >
> > My wife's stupid cat does this too. I've found that cats don't like to
be in
> > standing water, so I punish it by putting him in his carrier and putting
> > about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of water in the bottom. He screams bloody
murder. he
> > he
> >
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| The Puppy Wizard |
HOWEDY dilbert,
"Dilbert Firestorm" <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
news:bb1f4o$krh$2@news.datasync.com...
> I've already done that.
Your pal liea is a liar and a dog abuser, dilbert.
> the toilet paper is no longer in the dispeser where she can reach.
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Better take a lesson from perry. She just KILLED her dog
by POISONING HIM cause she PUPPYPROOFED instead
of TRAINING him.
> btw, closing the door isn't really an option due to where the bathroom is
> located (it shares doors between the bedroom & the office).
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
Your pal liea can't keep her dog Cubbe from ESCAPING
despite her shock surround fence. Her dog Cubbe recently
BIT her only friend and tried to attack two children...
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
> > Like kitchen counter surfing and garbage can raiding,
Takes MINUTES to break a dog of countersurfing...
> > toilet paper shredding is one of the hardest habits to unteach.
That's sheer IDIOCY! Your PAL liea is a liar and a dog abuser.
THAT'S HOWE COME she blames the dog or the environment
or the TOOLS. She HURTS dogs to train them and LIES
abHOWET it.
> > Daisy is doing it because it is fun. It is self rewarding.
HOWER dog lovers cannot TRAIN "self rewarding" behavior
cause THEY CAN'T HURT THE DOG EVERY TIME. When
they HURT the dog SOMETIMES and NOT ALL THE TIME,
they're TRAINING the UNDESIRABLE BEHAVIOR through
VARIABLE REINFORCEMENT...
HOWER DOG LOVERS HURT DOGS BECAUSE THEY
DON'T POSSESS THE INTELLECT TO HOWETWIT THE
CUNNING OF THE DOMESTIC PUPPY DOG.
> > That means you'll have the worst time stopping the behavior
> > by rewarding her for doing something else.
Giving dogs "incompatible behaviors" to do instead of the
UNDESIRABLE behaviors they're doin, DOES NOT TRAIN
the dog NOT to do the behavior, but trains them to DO
the behavior to solicit the REWARDING ALTERNATIVE.
> > That leaves doing something to make it less fun for her.
You mean, HURT THE DOG, liea?
> > You might try rigging up some sort of mechanism that would
> > frighten her when she touched the toilet paper. I've heard of
jeri-rigging
> > garbage cans with noise makers or putting bitter apple on the forbidden
item,
Yeah. That MIGHT work, but PROBABLY WON'T, because of
VARIABLE REINFORCEMENT. You'd NEED to ALWAYS booby
trap, and NEVER FAIL, or you'll have TAUGHT the dog to TRY
MOORE to do the undesirable behavior.
> > but honestly,
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! HONESTY, liea? You're a liar and
dog abuser. Your posting history will PROVE that.
> > I recommend plain placing the toilet paper out of her reach or
> > keeping the bathroom doors closed all the time.
Yeah? Put it next to the Gorilla Glue?
You gonna do the same, dilbert?
GOOD LUCK!
> > --Lia
> > Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
> >
> >>I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier
female)
> >>that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard
roll.
> >>She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
Yeah. That's FUN!
> >>She doesn't do it when I'm watching her,
Cause you've PUNISHED her.
> >> behind my back, she's prolly happily
> >> ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
Yeah. That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizzzard NEVER
punishes or scolds a dog...
The Puppy Wizzzard. <};~) >
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:ld898v8jcqq783ihi7u7le59g7atj5e802@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:40:28 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > jerry's book showed me not to punish the
> > dog. but just to work with the dog. which
> > I liked the idea of hence why I tried it. it is
> > easy to become frustrated with a dog when
> > you are trying to train them.
> Exactly. Say what you want about Jerry,
> but he is nothing if not insightful -- light
> years ahead of the biddies in this group,
> but they're too dumb to know it.
> In fact, they are so dumb they aren't
> really sure their dogs aren't capable of
> outsmarting them, and that goes a long
> way toward explaining their bizarre,
> paranoid theories about why dogs misbehave.
> Charlie
The Core Takeaway I Got From Jerry's Manual Is This: Make Yourself
The Center Of Your Puppy's World - His Personal Lord Jesus. Never
Give Him A Reason To Fear You Or Think You're Angry. Love The
Heck Out Of Him, And You'll End Up With A Great Dog," Charlie
Sez it all, Charlie...
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote
in message
news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com...
I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."
I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.
That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie
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"JoeTheGuru" <joetheguru@hotmail.com.NOSPAM wrote in
message
news: 3cab77eb$0$9993$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!
or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....
would you use it on your best friend.....
I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of it and now.
I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff
I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.
I have a dog that comes when ever I call.
I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away.
I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.
I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.
I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it
I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones there.
I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog <spending the
time with the dog.
jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.
I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog> so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.
the dog I have now was when I picked her up from the RSPCA. she could not
walk on a lead <no idea. cowered from every noise <and wet her self, messed
in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her when I dragged her
over to the mess.
this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten <2.5 feet to the shoulder. I
could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to be a dog.
the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog to be proud to walk down
the street with <3 feet to the shoulder and still growing.
so well behaved even when people walk passed with a out of control dog.
gentle with my child and trust worthy < I never have to worry that my dog
will bite her, only have to worry if a stranger
comes over to my child. still that is not a worry
she places herself between my child and the
stranger
I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face <
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking
and everything else. so jerry save this lad from
ruining his dog. later, Joe
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"Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the
> letter, no matter how insignificant some
> of the step seem to be and your pupy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
> I would seriously consider backing out of
> the training classes as they will conflict
> with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still
> had problems until I found Wits' End.
> Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
> You won't be disappointed if you follow
> the program.
> Good luck,
> Hoku
==================
----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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"Anthony Testa" <testa52601@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com...
> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week
> for 7 months I visited the Dog shelter and
> Humane Society looking for a German
> Shepherd.
> There were several times they had a dog
> there, but I was looking for a bitch. The
> reason for this is, all my life I have always
> had a female German shepherd. Therefore,
> I wanted another one. Finally about 6 weeks
> ago, I found her. "Angel" looked just like my
> previous dog of 12 years. I called my wife,
> she came down and fell in love with her
> immediately.
> We filled out the paper work and left the
> Humane Society with her. We drove directly
> to Pet Smart to buy all the essentials. We
> bought the biggest crate available. Let it be
> known I have never used a crate with any
> of my previous dogs. The biggest difference
> is my other dogs I had from puppy age.
> Angel just turned 2, 3 days before adoption.
> Angel appeared to be happy the trip home.
> Her ears were down all the time and her tail
> was so far between her legs that it looked like
> she had 3 ears. (humor) None the less, we
> knew we had a dog that was insecure.
> The first night we let Angel sleep in the
> living room. However, we had to go to
> work the next day. We pet her, kissed
> her and put her in the crate in the middle
> of the living room. During the day, my
> sons came home to walk her, give her a
> little loving and play with her. Then put
> her back in the crate and go to work.
> When we got home the first day, everything
> in the crate was ripped to shreds. The
> neighbors approached us and said that the
> dogs barked constantly for 3 hours then
> barked continuously after my sons left again.
> We thought it was because everything was
> new. We were wrong. The dig did this every
> day for 4 days.
> The 4th day was our first scheduled visit
> with the vet. The vet told us he can see
> that the dog is suffering from abuse and
> separation anxiety. So, the vet puts the
> dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the spelling).
> Well, for two days the dog walked around
> like Jerry Garcia on a Friday night after a
> concert, stoned! However, we were home
> with her the entire weekend.
> We crated her for work and came home
> to a barking dog, ripped bedding in the
> crate, upset neighbors and the plastic
> bottom of the crate completely torn
> to bits. It was obvious that crating was
> not a good thing.
> The next day we decided to leave her out
> of the crate to see what would happen.
> What a major mistake.
> We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
> Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and
> torn down, etc. The next day we put her in
> the crate again. This time we came home
> to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our carpet in the
> middle of the living room, right down to
> the cement. I told my wife that we cannot
> afford to keep this dog. We should go out
> and get a puppy.
> She was upset and said there must be
> something we can do. I told her this.
> "I will go on the internet and see what is
> available". I was desperate and wanted
> to see if there was someone who could help.
> We read the information about the DDR and
> emailed Jerry. Jerry was kind enough to give
> us his phone number to discuss Angel in more
> detail.
> First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We
> started doing exactly what he said to do in
> the manual. Exactly as we did was was
> written, the results were exactly as he said
> it would be. Then we purchased the DDR.
> This is an amazing god send to us. First of all,
> Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks for
> that gesture). This has such and AMAZING
> effect.
> This testimonial is kind of winded so I will
> say this......Jerry's product literally saved
> this dogs life.
> Angel can be left alone during the day.
> NO CRATE. The dog shows absolutely
> no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told us the
> product works immediately and it did!
> She does not bark at all during the day
> except when the mailman drops mail
> into the slot on the door. The manual for
> training works exactly as it says!
> We told our vet about this and he said that
> there are all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet
> that as a person who holds a degree of higher
> education, there just are some things they
> don't have in the text books and he should
> be receptive to that. We are proof.
> Angel was one day from going back to the
> humane society.
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so
> called know it all of pets. His response to the
> exact letter we initially wrote to Jerry...
> "Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll
> save this person embarrassment by not
> saying the name.
> However, you know who you are and I have
> this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables
> because you sir, do not belong working with
> animals!
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads
> in the news group, I can't for the life of me
> understand why this many people are so
> dang blind or ignorant.
> You just keep plugging away at what you
> do, because you my friend are a life saver!!!
> Anytime you need someone to speak about
> the results of your product, you have my
> number. We would gladly talk to them.
> Thank you very much for all your help.
> God bless you...
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida
> mshaw@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...
> > In article <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com>,
> > testa52601@aol.com (Anthony Testa) wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in
> > > the news group, I can't for the life of me
> > > understand why this many
> > > people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> > > You just keep plugging away at what you
> > > do, because you my friend are a life
> > > saver!!!
> > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?
> Who am I? My real name is posted. The
> story you have read is true.
> We were at witts end, found Jerry's web
> page by happenstance, wrote to him almost
> exactly what you read, he gave me his
> suggestions, told me what my results would
> be including a time line and, you know what?
> He was and still is, right on the money.
> I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor,
> disgruntled Entomologist, or a man with a
> niche that makes the sciences itchy, he
> saved the day AND a dog's life.
> We were given suggestions from Medication,
> to a Behavioral Specialist. I decided that
> instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or pay
> 125.00 dollars an hour for my dog to lay
> on a couch to be freudiated, I decided
> Jerry Howe's method seemed to be more
> humane and serene.
> It worked, end of story.
> A. Testa
=====================
My student Anthony summed it all up:
"Alpha" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Well there you go, I was willing to believe
> but then jerry it was another hallucination
> of yours, just like all those thank you letters
> you write, a lie, a fabrication, a ****...
> > From: TESTA52601 (testa52601@aol.com)
> > Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
> > Date: 2002-03-28 10:01:34 PST
> > Alpha,
> > It's uneducated, ball breakers like you
> > that create dismay throughout this society.
> > Get a life. you took apart a letter from
> > someone who has shown nothing but
> > love and caring, including lots of money
> > and twisted it to YOUR point.
> > Ever consider politics? I challenge you
> > to show me your credentials and results
> > you come up with. The things I did
> > with the dog WAS against MY wishes.
> > However, I listen to pencil neck geeks
> > that sit behind a monitor and get 30
> > different suggestions. This dog could
> > not be happier if she was gnawing on
> > all three of your legs.
> > The bottom line to my letter was to tell
> > people "don't knock it until you try it"
> > P.S. Write me personally if you have any
> > credentials.......
======================
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a
year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to
let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about
2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of
minutes.
Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I
look forward to working with these guys a
couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and
stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or
pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the
bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT
way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar
techniques in training his horses- he calls it
"natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly
all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends.
He rarely shows any more, but goes now
and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)...
Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
====================
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been
using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had
the same problem as the original poster has
with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise and
practicing the recall command with the family and
she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead
of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to
go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative things
you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try
the method and *judge the results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re "housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and
don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When
we brought her home she was very untrusting
and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys
where she was possessive and nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
Then she was in a shelter for months.
They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her. Now
she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was
another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked!
Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door.
Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or
that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources.
In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and
leaves out the bad. Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not
bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
-----
M.
--
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
======================
BOTH THESE GUYS GOT DEAD DOGS
CAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THEIR
Puppy Wizzzard TILL IT WAS TOO LATE:
<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading
> his posts and watching him extract his soggy
> foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2
> naive childs come forward and actually
> believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two
naive childs since I freely admit to having
read and, I hope, understood enough of the
manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you
to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had
been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until
he gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is
believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use
their real names.
Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
than those that have studied and lived by their
craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are.
Really stupid is believing that people like
Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like
fools. Why do you act like fools? I really
have no idea, and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come
> forward and actually admit to buying and
> having success with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
their use and testing. You would never believe
the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
to the box first?)
--------==========================-----------
"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> I do know she's not here with us. I really
> can't blame anyone here for her loss.
> I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did
> it because of how you write/wrote. I was
> unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> a shock collar could have any bearing on
> Peach not wanting to stay home.
> Up until I started using it my main concern
> had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
> Once I started using the e-fence...well, then
> my concern became how to keep them from
> running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming
> embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> the world now <g>
> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is
> completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark
> all the time.
> IOW a great companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!
=====================
"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.ne
> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence
> this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We
> now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence,
> not want to come back in the yard and would
> run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
> back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn
> how to train my dog. She is now border trained.
> A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to
> stay in the yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can
> stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
> cringes when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much
> I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't
> get a regular fence then you need to train your
> dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to
> keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
============
"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1199-3BD34D6A-229@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a
> very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to
> my 8 month old son.
> Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a
> hold on for dear life object.
> Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older
> two boys went through this stage in a different house where
> Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not
> daily contact 24/7.
> Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
> been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop
> screaming. A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with
> all the widows shut <g> being in the house it makes your
> ears pop and your nerves crawl.
> Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
> use it. He answered my questions quite politely.
> I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is
> located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
> At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I
> realized after a week that he no longer screamed for hours
> on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg> he
> still demands his share of all meals. But he doesn't start
> screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.
> Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves
> were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
> instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it
> back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back
> down and quit screaming.
> In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
> come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
> He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
> is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.
> I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
> the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
> things that are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail
> him and get advice whenever I need it.
> Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the
> DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
> electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
> mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
> <g>). He does NDT for a living.
> We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is
> walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal..
> some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
==============================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfitz69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.
> To: Amanda@DCFWatch.com; paulbousie@clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
>
> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering what you have to
> say of his training methods.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69@hotmail.com>; <Amanda@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe
> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must already
> have a good idea about what I think.
>
> His methods are the best I have come across. They aren't
> a quick fix but an entire training concept so if you aren't in
> for the long haul then don't bother.
> If you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
> in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
> the results.
> You can't combine his methods with other training methods,
> not until you understand what you are trying to achieve, and
> even then I have only ever combined about 2 other trainers
> ideas and even then just a snip of what they suggest which
> works in parallel with the Wits End concept.
> His methods make you as the trainer completely responsible
> for your actions, his methods make you think and work out
> your own solutions for any given situation, the default (the
> recall) is always there to get things under control again.
> His ideas and concepts teach you to work with the dog, to
> develop a team and a willingness to work together which
> is surely the best way to be.
> His methods don't use force or intimidation but they do totally
> emphasize the absolute importance of pack (family pack)
> structure, without that you can achieve almost nothing.
> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained without any
> negativity the answer lies in the recall, anytime your dog
> doesn't follow through with a request you call him / her to you,
> since the recall is the first thing taught and it is taught in such
> a way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns to you, it is
> a subordinate position for the dog and we release
> it by asking for a "heel" which is an "equal" position.
> His methods are very good, his understanding of dogs is
> excellent, I recommend his methods.
> Paul Bousie
==============================
"Linda" <llindaleedaniel@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c317fe4.0304110810.5ee8358d@posting.google.com...
> "Rosa Palmén" <rosa@no-spam.locomail.com> wrote in message
news:<_bhla.1641$M47.1027163@reader1.news.jippii.net>...
> Rosa, I got the doggy do right machine from Jerry
> in Jan and my dog relaxed in the first week. He
> does not have SA but he scratched himself raw
> until I got the machine. He also was a frantic
> chewer on his sticks until I got the machine.
> In less than a month he really relaxed. Now when
> the machine in on he just lays down and goes to sleep.
> If there is something outside that upsets him like a
> cat in the yard I just turn it on and he can cope.
> You will see all sorts of comments about the machine
> being as loud as a freight train etc but it is small and
> can not be heard by humans. I know he can hear it
> and that it relaxes him because I can see him relax
> when he hears it.
> I used the machine outside on the patio to quiet to
> dogs behind us that barked a hundred times a day.
> In two weeks they reduced the barking by 80%--
> When they barked after the machine was on Sunshine
> ran to the patio as they were alarm barking not just
> barking to pass the time.
> I asked the owners if they had noticed the dogs barking
> less and they said yes they had guessed the dogs were
> just growing up.
> Sunshine loved daycare but he was kicked out when he
> got aggressive but now than he has been trained with
> Jerry's Wits End Method and the machine I think I will
> let him go back to daycare.
> I am disabled so I can not run and play with him and
> I know he needs to play with other dogs.
> Go to www.doggydoright.com and read about the
> machine and get a free copy of Wits End Training
> Manual--since the info is free you won't
> lose anything and you can really help your dog.
> Linda and Sunshine
-------------------------------
Nevyn" <alien4@wasp.net.au> wrote in message
news:fde575d9.0209090337.34fb7ee2@posting.google.com...
Hi There Jerry
Its Nevyn. Sorry Ive not been posting, but I've been
working weekend work at the tracks with the greyhounds
(thanks to you!).
Well my dogs are the envy of all on my street. I can
have them out in the yard with me, take them walking
without a leash, they will do any command with no
hesitation. And they don't bark anymore! Thanks to
your machine!
Oh yeah, I loaned your machine to several friends
and family -- Here are some reports:
"I would say my dogs are well trained, but they suffer
severe anxiety when no body is home. This machine
quietened them almost instantly - still they barked,
in the beginning, but just one or two barks. Then
slowly they just stopped... beginning to bark, then
instantly stopping.
It took only 2 weeks, and we did nothing.
Truly amazing;
I have recommended it to my family, and perhaps
they will buy one. Its a shame you don't sell them publicly".
-- Kylie, 30, on dogs Lili (11 yr mutt bitch) and Sheeba (4 yr
Rotty X)
"My two dogs barked insanely when someone would
go past. With this little machine they quietened right
down, and even became partly obedient, and we did
nothing!
Great stuff.
We ran it only on the lowest setting, too!"
- Ed, 65, on his two male Dobermans, 5 yrs old.
Well I have some more, and am collecting more,
but I only have one machine so its a slow process.
Once again I say thankyou Jerry! My family was
on the verge of giving them up! :(
But no longer :)
=====================
From: aimee (newsgroups@twolemons.com)
Subject: doggie do right
Date: 2002-08-01 06:57:15 PST
doggie do right rocks!!
We were sent one of these fantastic machines 5
months ago to see if it would help with our rambunctious
mutts.
The doggy do right has done more than just work...it has
worked miracles!
Our pair of noisier than freight-train doggies were barking
so loud at our neighbours and passers by that we were just
about ready to find them new homes.
But within just two months of using the Doggy Do
Right they were nice and quiet and stopped barking
at the neighbours.
They did relapse a little when their owner went away,
but we started the program again and within days they
were both quiet and obedient once more.
Our doggies have now not barked unnecessarily for
over 2 months.
Thanks Jerry! You have made my dreams come true!
Aimee.
===========================
Jerry says:
HOWE'S the baby's seizures?
parentadlitem says:
better
Jerry says:
got any idea how much better?
parentadlitem says:
not really
parentadlitem says:
she doesn't do em here that i see
Jerry says:
amazing
Jerry says:
when's the last time she seized with you?
parentadlitem says:
weeks ago?
Jerry says:
but before the machine it was daily?
parentadlitem says:
every minute!
Jerry says:
does her mom use it at her HOWES?
parentadlitem says:
yup
parentadlitem says:
i yelled at her about it
Jerry says:
ask her when's the last time she saw a seizure for me
parentadlitem says:
k . she's sleepin now, ill talk to her tonight, she's comin over
Jerry says:
yeah... that's pretty good stuff
parentadlitem says:
yup
parentadlitem says:
i love mine
parentadlitem says:
no barkin the neighborhood at all anymore
parentadlitem says:
ever
Jerry says:
right
parentadlitem says:
once in a blue moon some distant dog will bark
parentadlitem says:
but all the neighbors dogs are quiet
Jerry says:
when you hear that distant dog throw the machine on
parentadlitem says:
we do
parentadlitem says:
it's really rare though
=================
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
MSN Messenger: doggydoright@hotmail.com
Email: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW;-) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW;~} >
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HOWEDY Dilbert,
"Dilbert Firestorm" <scanb31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in message
news:bb1f4o$krh$2@news.datasync.com...
> I've already done that. the toilet paper is no longer in the dispeser
where she
> can reach.
>
> btw, closing the door isn't really an option due to where the bathroom is
> located (it shares doors between the bedroom & the office).
>
>
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
- "It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With Her Usual ZAP
Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To Give Cubbe A Hug + She Gave A
Snarl-Snap + Cubbe Got Out In The Neighborhood Leashless
Julia F N Altshuler (d000634c@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time
in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got
her before she'd had any training and before we got the
electric fence to reinforce the physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers
and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She
had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For
us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning. It
had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet. Jim
finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down
a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash. She gets
daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect
recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those
recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been working on
them. I haven't been as good about introducing the variable
reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure
that she's never tricked into coming into the house when she'd
rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or
praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think I'm
a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask y'all for
some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don't mind
criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll concentrate on
what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I'd
gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she
escaped straight through the front door and right in front of
our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the
wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar
now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to
come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I
could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front
door again so she could have another fun romp in the
neighborhood. I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the
door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse about coming when
called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows when she's in
a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap
her when she's near certain windows inside. If I let her get
zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take
the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her
leash on? I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should
happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this
I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because
she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and
scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs. Even the slightest
punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we've
come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned
in a recent post. Point is, she's been rewarded for coming,
but she's never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to
tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were
having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how
quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed
to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine
with the children; she always has been. Just as they were
getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave
a snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't frightened
at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn't
realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub
Cubbe's belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the
submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all
was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part of
wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3DC4A3BD.645A4FC9@attbi.com...
> I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe
> that needs immediate attention or if I'm imagining trouble
> where there is none.
> Here's what happened last April the way I described it to
> a friend at the time:
> I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking myself for
> doing something stupid. Ellie has been over many times and
> has always gotten along great with Cubbe. Cubbe is always
> at the door when I let Ellie in.
> She's barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is
> inside. She's never shown any real aggression. The other
> night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand.
> Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in
> first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could
> get through the door more easily. I could hear Cubbe barking.
> Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe.
> She ran out to attack the intruder. Ellie was trying to be
> friendly.
> Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
> scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when
> they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every night,
> but Ellie was understandably scared.
> Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
> Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that,
> even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite
> since Cubbe did mean to do it. I guess I should just learn
> from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again,
> but I'm horribly torn up.
> I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
> the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even
> with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood.
> Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
> Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the
> computer room with Jim while I answered the door. She did
> bark each time she heard the doorbell ring. We did nothing
> to discourage that. We want her to be barky protective so it
> made sense for her to bark when she heard people in the
> neighborhood, especially at night. Later in the evening,
> Jim put Cubbe on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
> front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
> people to come to the door once she was out of the computer
> room was our neighbor Nicky.
> I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since we got her
> 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted her and asked to
> come on walks. Nick lifted his mask on the porch so I'd
> know who it was. Then I invited him into the hall to pet
> Cubbe.
> Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him. Of course
> Jim was right there so no damage was done. Nick didn't
> even have to draw his hand away, and he didn't get scared.
> Nothing scares that boy.
> I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
> protective-aggressive when people have entered the house.
> Both times they've been people she knows and should like.
> She's wonderfully nice to people on walks. We don't have
> guests over too often so I can't comment if it's a growing
> thing or not.
> Comments please. Is this a major growing aggression
> problem?
> I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
> What do I do about it?
> I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
> and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
> her car, and then we walk in together.
> She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
> calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
> doing something more to make sure this doesn't escalate?
> --Lia
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| Dilbert Firestorm |
I've already done that. the toilet paper is no longer in the dispeser where she
can reach.
btw, closing the door isn't really an option due to where the bathroom is
located (it shares doors between the bedroom & the office).
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Like kitchen counter surfing and garbage can raiding, toilet paper shredding is
> one of the hardest habits to unteach. Daisy is doing it because it is fun. It
> is self rewarding. That means you'll have the worst time stopping the behavior
> by rewarding her for doing something else. That leaves doing something to make
> it less fun for her. You might try rigging up some sort of mechanism that would
> frighten her when she touched the toilet paper. I've heard of jeri-rigging
> garbage cans with noise makers or putting bitter apple on the forbidden item,
> but honestly, I recommend plain placing the toilet paper out of her reach or
> keeping the bathroom doors closed all the time.
>
> --Lia
>
>
>
> Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
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>>I'm wondering what to do with a dog (Daisy, mixed-breed scottish terrier female)
>>that apparently likes to shred toilet papers including the cardboard roll.
>>She's gone thru 4 rolls already.
>>
>>She doesn't do it when I'm watching her, behind my back, she's prolly happily
>>ripping them and I find out hours after the fact.
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 22:35:27 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> NULL.
>
> "Violations of any of these policies will be dealt with swiftly. Upon
> verification of said violation, all services to the offending party
> may be terminated without further notice."
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> www.tjwcabinetmaker.com
hey what's up with this dweeb????
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 22:35:27 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> NULL.
>
> "Violations of any of these policies will be dealt with swiftly. Upon
> verification of said violation, all services to the offending party
> may be terminated without further notice."
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> www.tjwcabinetmaker.com
hey what's up with this dweeb????
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