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I want to ask you about a conversation you and I had a few months back.
You and I were discussing the Deb Godwin thing and I told you I cannot
begin to understand why you all would take her into your group and
shield her when all of you know dam good and well she is not dead, that
she faked the whole suicide thing. Do you remember what your response
was to me?? Well if you don't I certainly remember it. You said to
me, Karen the truth doesn't matter........And I said HUH........
Barb I am not attacking you and I am not dissing you, but in all
fairness I have to ask you, how in God's name can the truth not
matter?? This really blows my mind, HOW CAN THE TRUTH NOT
MATTER???!!!!!!!! I NEED FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO
ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barb you yourself run a ferret shelter, I would imagine you depend
heavily on public donations as every shelter does, now I would think
and please forgive me if I am thinking in a totally different way than
the rest of you think, but if it were me, I would think the truth would
be of paramount importance in every single thing you do concerning the
way you run your shelter, the way you keep your books, the way you care
for your ferrets, in ever aspect of the day-to-day running of your
shelter. Now...... having said all that, can you please tell me how
the truth would not matter??
In my little bedding business I have, the truth is ALWAYS going to be
first and foremost with my customers not only in the way I make the
bedding, the quality of the fabric, what loft I use in the batting, and
even the postage. One of the things I noticed more than anything on
Ebay, people complained about sellers charging a high amount on the
shipping and when the customer got their package, they could clearly
see how little it cost to ship. It is called having personal
integrity, it is called being truthful, it is called being able to be
counted on to tell the truth.
So can you or someone explain to me how the truth not matter in
everyday life?? You all have accused me time and again of lying when I
didn't but never the less, if the truth doesn't matter as you say it
doesn't then why the big deal over whether I told the truth or not
which I happen to be telling the truth, I am just curious as to how it
doesn't matter. Can you explain that one to me please??
For me, the truth is going to matter in every aspect every single day
of my life. Maybe that is how McKabe is able to tell her outlandish
bull**** stories and actually believe her own lies or Joannie baby with
her bull**** stories or Millie and her dam lies..... After all ladies,
one of your own said...... THE TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER.
I think I get it now. We are all expected to tell the truth but as
PooFlingers which translates to **** SLINGERS means you all can sling
your **** stories everywhere and THE TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER!!! THE TRUTH
DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!! NOW I GET IT!!!!!!!!! THE TRUTH DOESN'T
MATTER. Dam I am glad I finally figured this out, it was keeping me
awake at night trying to figure out why the truth doesn't matter to you
all but it does to all the rest of us.
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| Sandy and the Dook City Gang |
YOU tell the truth? Did the world end?
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| lighthouseferret@aol.com |
Dam is something that holds back water. Try DAMN next time.
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| Cinnamon Sprite |
Truth. Like the truth you told about threatening to abort Murph's
kittens unless an entire forum of people made apologies to you for
begging you not to do so or the truth you told about aborting those
kittens to save the cat's life. Your own words tell the true story.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Lee
To: bdoclay@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Copy of an email I sent to Kim just now
From: Karen Lee
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2004 07:57:13
To: kim@pooflinger.com
Subject: The Murph mess
=A0
=A0Kim, I really hated to see thngs turn to complete **** on your board.=A0
I know you value Karen M's presence there but if you go back to page
one of my post about Murph, I think you can see where all that
started.=A0 She kept at me asking me over and over whether or not Tigger
and Ziggie were going to have their surgeries.=A0 I answered her and she
kept on asking.=A0 Someone else even posted to her that I had=A0said they
were getting their surgeries but she kept at me.=A0 And yes I admit and I
admitted on the board that we ****ed up in not quarn. Murph from
everyone else.=A0 It was a huge mistake on our part and I admitt it now
and have admitted it to everyone on the board.
=A0
The other morning when I emailed you and asked you to put a stop to
this, God I wish you had because you can see what it has turned into.=A0
You cannot let a fight like that get started, it is the same as pouring
a bucket of blood in a shark tank, the dam situation turns into a
feeding frenzy.=A0 I didn't then and I don't now wish to harm your board
in any form or fashion.=A0 I sincerely wanted to be=A0and would still like
to be a part of your board if we could somehow just get past this.=A0
People kept at me and kept at me and kept at me and finally I came out
swinging.=A0 Use this scenario if you can; an angry mob gets after a dog,
they drive it relentlessly until it has no where to go, they have it
pinned to the ground.=A0 What is that dog gonna do?? Self-preservation is
very strong.=A0 You are going to do whatever you have to do to defend
yourself.=A0 I will share something with you about myself.=A0 When I was a
kid I went through a hell of a lot and you are welcome to read into
that whatever you wish but I had to learn to survive and survive is
what I did otherwise I would not have survived and the same went for my
sister and my brother.
=A0
Dammit, I don't want to have to spay Murph and abort her kittens, ****
I hate that idea.=A0 What were we suppose to do, leave her on the fence,
or once we discovered she was preggers, take her back and put her back
on the fence??=A0 Someone posted in a therad that we should take her to
the police station and leave her there or take her to a vet's office
and leave her there, or take her to a neighbor and leave her there??=A0
Is that not being about 197 THOUSAND times more IRRESPONSIBLE than
having her spayed??=A0 But yet not one single person saw that or made
mention of it.=A0 No, everything I say is automatically wrong, and
everyone else on the board is right or that is how it looks from where
I am sitting.=A0 Taking her to the police station or to a vet's office
and leaving her there is a sure-fire gurantee that she would be
destroyed along with her kittens.=A0 And taking her to a neighbor and
leaving her, that more than likely would get her head blown off if you
did that around here.=A0 At the very least it would get her a trip to the
shelter and for sure she would be put down coming in as a perggers
stray.=A0 Christ don't you think I racked my brain, John and I both for a
solution for this problem.=A0 I finally narrowed it down to this, I can't
financially save Murph and her kittens but I can save her and in the
process prevent these kittens from being born.=A0 Dammit Kim, you work in
a vet's office, you have read the satistics what just one female cat
and her offspring can generate in a few short years.=A0 My way of
thinking was save Murph, prevent this litter from being born, give
other kittens that will be born a chance.=A0 When you look at the small
picture it may not seem this way but if you can just take a step back
and look at it with your brain and not your heart, it makes a hell of a
lot of sense.=A0
=A0
I have had several people email me from the board.=A0 I have been getting
emails with attachments and I am not opening them because I think
someone is deliberately trying to do me harm by sending me a virus.=A0
But for the ones who have sent nice emails, I was informed by 2
different people, behind the scenes people have been itching for a
fight with me, it has been discussed how to get rid of me on the board
and unfortunately I played right into their hands.=A0 I had no idea this
was going on but as I mentioned to you a few weeks back, I felt most
unwelcome and getting the cold shoulder.=A0 My gut feeling=A0was correct.=
=A0
You told me you were not aware of anyone saying they wanted me off the
board and maybe you aren't but Karen M and I think it was Gendale
posted that people were actively trying to figure how to get me kicked
off the board.
=A0
People keep saying I was getting pissy, mean, and nasty but that only
came way after I had been called a bitch over and over and people were
writting horrible things about me.=A0 Christ when you have an angry
mob=A0on your ass, what are you going to do??=A0 You gonna keep running or
are you gonna take a stand and say enough is enough.=A0 I chose to take a
stand.
=A0
I worded it very wrong when I posted that I was having a bit of trouble
believing anyone wanted to help me with the cat situation after all
that had been said about me.=A0 Look at all this from my side of the
street Kim, it looks a whole hell of a lot differrent than from where
you and Karen M, and Gendale, and the others are standing.=A0 I sincerely
wanted to believe they wanted to help but I=A0was afraid as soon as I
said yes, please help me with Murph and her kittens, I would then be
bombarded with **** you bitch and I would have fallen right into their
trap for another public humillation from them.=A0 Up until that time, I
had been shown no reason to believe anyone wanted to do anything more
than to tear me limb from limb.=A0
=A0
People have posted that Murph has already had her kittens and we stole
her away from them.=A0 Christ, that couldn't be further from the truth.=A0
The only kittens that exist in this situation are the ones in Murph's
belly.=A0 I would never NEVER do something like that and neither would
John.=A0
=A0
I realize fully that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on your
board.=A0 People that probably have forgotten more about ferrets than I
will ever know.=A0 That is why I wanted to be a part of your board, to
learn all I could about fuzzies.=A0 And I also realize you have a very
unique board, it is not set up for everyone to be nicey-nicey like
other boards but Kim, you gotta have even a few loose rules.=A0 Rules and
laws are necessary in society, otherwise things turn into complet chaos
which is what has happned on the board.=A0 Please, I am not trying to
tell you how your conduct your business but I am being slaughtered here
and it is being allowed.=A0
=A0
I am more than willing to work with you or anyone else to rectify this
situation and I tried on the board.=A0 But it made no difference what I
said, I was automatically wrong, no one was willing to listen.=A0 I am
still willing to work with someone about Murph.=A0 This is not set in
stone that she will be spayed on Tuesday and her kittens aborted, that
could all change.=A0 All I asked for was a simple apology.=A0 I am not
expecting anyone to agree with me or say I was right.=A0 All I am asking
for from people is hey Karen, maybe we were hasty in the things we said
to you.=A0 Could you forgive us and we get past this??=A0 Would that be so
difficult for anyone??=A0 I have not lived for 47 years and not learned a
little something.=A0 You cannot put out a fire by throwing gasoline on
it.=A0 People just kept piling on more **** when it would have been so
simple to bring the whole thing to a screeching hault, everyone stop,
count to 10, take a deep breath and come at this using their head and
not just their hearts.=A0 I am not asking for anyone to compromise their
values or pats on the back as someone suggested, I am merely asking to
be treated like a human being and not a monster.=A0 I am just asking for
people to see that maybe, just maybe they acted a bit in haste.=A0 Years
ago when my dad (actually he was my step-dad) would come home drunk as
all hell I would plead with mom, please don't start anything with him,
you know what will happen.=A0 We would all be in bed pretending to be
asleep and if mom didn't start any **** with him he would go pass out
somewhere.=A0 But no, she had to start some **** with him.=A0 So what if he
went into her ******* kitchen and made a mess fixing himself something
to eat, I promised her I would get up after he passed out and clean up
the mess, just don't start anything with him.=A0 Did she listen, did she
use a little finess to get past the situation and not cause all hell to
break loose??=A0 No, she would get up, start some **** with him which
resulted in not only her but all 3 of us kids getting the **** beat out
of us.=A0 I am not trying to excuse dad, he was wrong, but dam, mom
didn't have to make the situation worse by doing what she did and the
same goes for this situation.=A0 Sometimes you gotta use a little finess,
you gotta be diplomatic, you can still achieve your goal but use your
head.
=A0
Goddam it, those people hurt me and said some very hateful things about
me.=A0 They held all the power over me for several days.=A0 I wanted to get
their attention and maybe get some small apology from them or at the
very least get them to see I was not a monster.=A0 Granted it all went to
**** but I still feel that I have been treated very unfairly.=A0=A0 One
person comes out againt me and before you know it everyone is heaping
handsfull of fresh **** on the fan.=A0 Things began to die down a bit
yesterday and along comes Karen M to fan the flames again.=A0 And then
she pulls that number about well she would just leave the board, that
was a sympathy play if I ever saw one.=A0 Kim, I am a reasonable human
being and I would like to see this resolved.=A0 I would even be willing
to talk to you about it long distance.=A0 If you will give me your phone
number, I will call you on my nickle so we can discuss it.=A0 I am not
Hitler's assistant.=A0
=A0
Just like with my birds, if I can't take care of them anymore, if I
can't give them the love and attention they so richly deserve, would
they not be better off with someone else??=A0 Christ, why is that so hard
for anyone to see.=A0 Everyone on the board is suppose to be animal
lovers.=A0 Someone said they would do all they could to hurt me if I
followed through with selling my birds.=A0 Why in God's name would anyone
want to see these bird remain in a home where they are not getting the
love and attention they deserve??=A0 That is insane!!!=A0 I am not the
monster I am being painted to be.=A0 Even I know the birds need a better
home and that is exactly what I am trying to do.=A0=20
=A0
Karen=A0
=A0
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Truth. Like the truth you told about threatening to abort Murph's
kittens unless an entire forum of people made apologies to you for
begging you not to do so or the truth you told about aborting those
kittens to save the cat's life. Your own words tell the true story.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Lee
To: bdoc...@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Copy of an email I sent to Kim just now
From: Karen Lee
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2004 07:57:13
To: k...@pooflinger.com
Subject: The Murph mess
=A0Kim, I really hated to see thngs turn to complete **** on your
board. =A0I know you value Karen M's presence there but if you go back
to page one of my post about Murph, I think you can see where all that
started. =A0She kept at me asking me over and over whether or not Tigger
and Ziggie were going to have their surgeries. =A0I answered her and she
kept on asking. =A0Someone else even posted to her that I had said they
were getting their surgeries but she kept at me. =A0And yes I admit and
I admitted on the board that we ****ed up in not quarn. Murph from
everyone else. =A0It was a huge mistake on our part and I admitt it now
and have admitted it to everyone on the board.
The other morning when I emailed you and asked you to put a stop to
this, God I wish you had because you can see what it has turned into.
You cannot let a fight like that get started, it is the same as pouring
a bucket of blood in a shark tank, the dam situation turns into a
feeding frenzy. =A0I didn't then and I don't now wish to harm your board
in any form or fashion. =A0I sincerely wanted to be and would still
like to be a part of your board if we could somehow just get past
this. =A0People kept at me and kept at me and kept at me and finally I
came out swinging. =A0Use this scenario if you can; an angry mob gets
after a dog, they drive it relentlessly until it has no where to go,
they have it pinned to the ground. =A0What is that dog gonna do??
Self-preservation is very strong. =A0You are going to do whatever you
have to do to defend yourself. =A0I will share something with you about
myself. =A0When I was a kid I went through a hell of a lot and you are
welcome to read into that whatever you wish but I had to learn to
survive and survive is what I did otherwise I would not have survived
and the same went for my sister and my brother.
Dammit, I don't want to have to spay Murph and abort her kittens, ****
I hate that idea. =A0What were we suppose to do, leave her on the fence,
or once we discovered she was preggers, take her back and put her back
on the fence?? =A0Someone posted in a therad that we should take her to
the police station and leave her there or take her to a vet's office
and leave her there, or take her to a neighbor and leave her there??
Is that not being about 197 THOUSAND times more IRRESPONSIBLE than
having her spayed?? =A0But yet not one single person saw that or made
mention of it. =A0No, everything I say is automatically wrong, and
everyone else on the board is right or that is how it looks from where
I am sitting. =A0Taking her to the police station or to a vet's office
and leaving her there is a sure-fire gurantee that she would be
destroyed along with her kittens. =A0And taking her to a neighbor and
leaving her, that more than likely would get her head blown off if you
did that around here. =A0At the very least it would get her a trip to
the shelter and for sure she would be put down coming in as a perggers
stray. =A0Christ don't you think I racked my brain, John and I both for
a solution for this problem. =A0I finally narrowed it down to this, I
can't financially save Murph and her kittens but I can save her and in
the process prevent these kittens from being born. =A0Dammit Kim, you
work in a vet's office, you have read the satistics what just one
female cat and her offspring can generate in a few short years. =A0My
way of thinking was save Murph, prevent this litter from being born,
give other kittens that will be born a chance. =A0When you look at the
small picture it may not seem this way but if you can just take a step
back and look at it with your brain and not your heart, it makes a hell
of a lot of sense.
I have had several people email me from the board. =A0I have been
getting emails with attachments and I am not opening them because I
think someone is deliberately trying to do me harm by sending me a
virus. =A0But for the ones who have sent nice emails, I was informed by
2 different people, behind the scenes people have been itching for a
fight with me, it has been discussed how to get rid of me on the board
and unfortunately I played right into their hands. =A0I had no idea this
was going on but as I mentioned to you a few weeks back, I felt most
unwelcome and getting the cold shoulder. =A0My gut feeling was
correct. =A0You told me you were not aware of anyone saying they wanted
me off the board and maybe you aren't but Karen M and I think it was
Gendale posted that people were actively trying to figure how to get me
kicked off the board.
People keep saying I was getting pissy, mean, and nasty but that only
came way after I had been called a bitch over and over and people were
writting horrible things about me. =A0Christ when you have an angry
mob on your ass, what are you going to do?? =A0You gonna keep running
or are you gonna take a stand and say enough is enough. =A0I chose to
take a stand.
I worded it very wrong when I posted that I was having a bit of trouble
believing anyone wanted to help me with the cat situation after all
that had been said about me. =A0Look at all this from my side of the
street Kim, it looks a whole hell of a lot differrent than from where
you and Karen M, and Gendale, and the others are standing. =A0I
sincerely wanted to believe they wanted to help but I was afraid as
soon as I said yes, please help me with Murph and her kittens, I would
then be bombarded with **** you bitch and I would have fallen right
into their trap for another public humillation from them. =A0Up until
that time, I had been shown no reason to believe anyone wanted to do
anything more than to tear me limb from limb.
People have posted that Murph has already had her kittens and we stole
her away from them. =A0Christ, that couldn't be further from the
truth. =A0The only kittens that exist in this situation are the ones in
Murph's belly. =A0I would never NEVER do something like that and neither
would John.
I realize fully that there are a lot of knowledgeable people on your
board. =A0People that probably have forgotten more about ferrets than I
will ever know. =A0That is why I wanted to be a part of your board, to
learn all I could about fuzzies. =A0And I also realize you have a very
unique board, it is not set up for everyone to be nicey-nicey like
other boards but Kim, you gotta have even a few loose rules. =A0Rules
and laws are necessary in society, otherwise things turn into complet
chaos which is what has happned on the board. =A0Please, I am not trying
to tell you how your conduct your business but I am being slaughtered
here and it is being allowed.
I am more than willing to work with you or anyone else to rectify this
situation and I tried on the board. =A0But it made no difference what I
said, I was automatically wrong, no one was willing to listen. =A0I am
still willing to work with someone about Murph. =A0This is not set in
stone that she will be spayed on Tuesday and her kittens aborted, that
could all change. =A0All I asked for was a simple apology. =A0I am not
expecting anyone to agree with me or say I was right. =A0All I am asking
for from people is hey Karen, maybe we were hasty in the things we said
to you. =A0Could you forgive us and we get past this?? =A0Would that be
so difficult for anyone?? =A0I have not lived for 47 years and not
learned a little something. =A0You cannot put out a fire by throwing
gasoline on it. =A0People just kept piling on more **** when it would
have been so simple to bring the whole thing to a screeching hault,
everyone stop, count to 10, take a deep breath and come at this using
their head and not just their hearts. =A0I am not asking for anyone to
compromise their values or pats on the back as someone suggested, I am
merely asking to be treated like a human being and not a monster. =A0I
am just asking for people to see that maybe, just maybe they acted a
bit in haste. =A0Years ago when my dad (actually he was my step-dad)
would come home drunk as all hell I would plead with mom, please don't
start anything with him, you know what will happen. =A0We would all be
in bed pretending to be asleep and if mom didn't start any **** with
him he would go pass out somewhere. =A0But no, she had to start some
**** with him. =A0So what if he went into her ******* kitchen and made a
mess fixing himself something to eat, I promised her I would get up
after he passed out and clean up the mess, just don't start anything
with him. =A0Did she listen, did she use a little finess to get past the
situation and not cause all hell to break loose?? =A0No, she would get
up, start some **** with him which resulted in not only her but all 3
of us kids getting the **** beat out of us. =A0I am not trying to excuse
dad, he was wrong, but dam, mom didn't have to make the situation worse
by doing what she did and the same goes for this situation. =A0Sometimes
you gotta use a little finess, you gotta be diplomatic, you can still
achieve your goal but use your head.
Goddam it, those people hurt me and said some very hateful things about
me. =A0They held all the power over me for several days. =A0I wanted to
get their attention and maybe get some small apology from them or at
the very least get them to see I was not a monster. =A0Granted it all
went to **** but I still feel that I have been treated very
unfairly. =A0 One person comes out againt me and before you know it
everyone is heaping handsfull of fresh **** on the fan. =A0Things began
to die down a bit yesterday and along comes Karen M to fan the flames
again. =A0And then she pulls that number about well she would just leave
the board, that was a sympathy play if I ever saw one. =A0Kim, I am a
reasonable human being and I would like to see this resolved. =A0I would
even be willing to talk to you about it long distance. =A0If you will
give me your phone number, I will call you on my nickle so we can
discuss it. =A0I am not Hitler's assistant.
Just like with my birds, if I can't take care of them anymore, if I
can't give them the love and attention they so richly deserve, would
they not be better off with someone else?? =A0Christ, why is that so
hard for anyone to see. =A0Everyone on the board is suppose to be animal
lovers. =A0Someone said they would do all they could to hurt me if I
followed through with selling my birds. =A0Why in God's name would
anyone want to see these bird remain in a home where they are not
getting the love and attention they deserve?? =A0That is insane!!! =A0I
am not the monster I am being painted to be. =A0Even I know the birds
need a better home and that is exactly what I am trying to do.=20
Karen
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Dear Karen,
You wrote:
"I'm not attacking you and I am not dissing you.." Thanks Karen, I
appreciate that. Whenever you've called me, I've always listened and
been honest with you, and treated you kindly. I've never yelled or
cursed at you. I've always received your calls and spoke civil with
you. I know you've regretted how you've treated me and the lies you've
posted. I appreciated the apologies, even if they were private, and not
put out there on a public forum as your attacks on me were. But as you
wrote me, you were taken in with the rest. That's all I'll say here,
because we all know what that's about. You took that step to apologize
to me, and I genuinely appreciated it. I tried, and you've
acknowledged that here. Thanks Karen.
Again, thanks for kinda posting our conversation in context. Let's
include/start here, that I don't know Deb Godwin or her family, nor was
I ever involved in all that dialogue, but you were, and are convinced
that I was/am. I didn't follow all that cluster f*&@. I don't know why
you are bringing this up. By the way, has anyone ever suggested to you
that your verbose posts/emails go mainly on the wayside. Where's
Sharon when you need her! lol Sharon, tell your friend here to keep it
simple. LOL, Karen you write a book everytime you post. KISS
Let's keep my quote in context. When I said, "The truth doesn't
matter", that was in response to you carrying on (and I MEAN carrying
on) to me that you were convinced that Deb was alive. Again, I don't
know Deb, never met her, never spoke to her. DON'T CARE. I'M NOT
INVOLVED!!! (of course I care that someone committed suicide or was
hurting). Immense frustration.....you just wouldn't listen to me, and
kept running your mouth! No offense, but you did, just as you are now
with this post.
Back to on topic of your post........
However, the truth about whether she was alive or not, was not the
point in that situation of you and her, as I attempted to make my point
with you. I failed obviously, cuz here you are months later posting
about it. Why are you posting about it? Oh, puhleze don't answer
that, cuz I don't care!!! I mean no offense, but this battle of yours
is not any concern of mine. I'm just addressing the "Truth" question
you've prompted in this post.
As best as I could see from the random readings I did on Addicted To
Ferrets, was that you attacked her so bad that this woman either
commited suicide, or, feigned her own death....the latter was, and
believe still is, your assumption. The Truth as to whether Deb Godwin
was alive or dead mattered not to me; she either committed suicide, or
was in hiding, both scenarios were attributed to your verbose and
constant, obsessive ranting abuse of her.
Let's review; The TRUTH as to whether Deb Godwin was alive or dead was
not material in my conversation with you. It was the fact that you
drove some woman over the edge with your constant, obsessive, verbose,
crude, rude and hateful ramblings. Ummm, did someone say obsessive?
I'm a strong and honest woman, with many friends and family. Deb
Godwin apparently wasn't. Having been a victim of your internet libel
and personal attacks, I can completely comprehend that some woman fell
emotionally....either dead, or feigned her death....to try and escape
your attacks. There's where I don't give a rat's ass what the TRUTH
was, I failed miserably then, and probably now, at explaining to you
how you are responsible for the hurt you inflict on someone. Got it?
I hope so. I survived your attacks, and got closure when you wrote and
apologized. That was way cool Karen. I'll give you your propers for
that!
Anyone who knows me knows that I don't pretend to be anything I'm
not, and I don't lie. Anyone can depend on me to tell them the truth,
straight ahead. LOL, so the truth can cause some to go crazy and
attack me. I can sleep at night. Want to know who those are? LOL,
just read those lame attempts to hurt me and my shelter. I'm not the
new kid on the block, and my shelter does damn good work. It's about
the ferrets, isn't it? I am, who are you?
Affectionately,
Barb Clay
lighthouseferrets@yahoo.com wrote:
> I want to ask you about a conversation you and I had a few months back.
> You and I were discussing the Deb Godwin thing and I told you I cannot
> begin to understand why you all would take her into your group and
> shield her when all of you know dam good and well she is not dead, that
> she faked the whole suicide thing. Do you remember what your response
> was to me?? Well if you don't I certainly remember it. You said to
> me, Karen the truth doesn't matter........And I said HUH........
>
> Barb I am not attacking you and I am not dissing you, but in all
> fairness I have to ask you, how in God's name can the truth not
> matter?? This really blows my mind, HOW CAN THE TRUTH NOT
> MATTER???!!!!!!!! I NEED FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO
> ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Barb you yourself run a ferret shelter, I would imagine you depend
> heavily on public donations as every shelter does, now I would think
> and please forgive me if I am thinking in a totally different way than
> the rest of you think, but if it were me, I would think the truth would
> be of paramount importance in every single thing you do concerning the
> way you run your shelter, the way you keep your books, the way you care
> for your ferrets, in ever aspect of the day-to-day running of your
> shelter. Now...... having said all that, can you please tell me how
> the truth would not matter??
>
> In my little bedding business I have, the truth is ALWAYS going to be
> first and foremost with my customers not only in the way I make the
> bedding, the quality of the fabric, what loft I use in the batting, and
> even the postage. One of the things I noticed more than anything on
> Ebay, people complained about sellers charging a high amount on the
> shipping and when the customer got their package, they could clearly
> see how little it cost to ship. It is called having personal
> integrity, it is called being truthful, it is called being able to be
> counted on to tell the truth.
>
> So can you or someone explain to me how the truth not matter in
> everyday life?? You all have accused me time and again of lying when I
> didn't but never the less, if the truth doesn't matter as you say it
> doesn't then why the big deal over whether I told the truth or not
> which I happen to be telling the truth, I am just curious as to how it
> doesn't matter. Can you explain that one to me please??
>
> For me, the truth is going to matter in every aspect every single day
> of my life. Maybe that is how McKabe is able to tell her outlandish
> bull**** stories and actually believe her own lies or Joannie baby with
> her bull**** stories or Millie and her dam lies..... After all ladies,
> one of your own said...... THE TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER.
>
> I think I get it now. We are all expected to tell the truth but as
> PooFlingers which translates to **** SLINGERS means you all can sling
> your **** stories everywhere and THE TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER!!! THE TRUTH
> DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!! NOW I GET IT!!!!!!!!! THE TRUTH DOESN'T
> MATTER. Dam I am glad I finally figured this out, it was keeping me
> awake at night trying to figure out why the truth doesn't matter to you
> all but it does to all the rest of us.
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| bluedolphinoh69 |
Hiya Barb. My name is Tanya and I'm Millie's daughter. I just wanted
to say that she thinks a lot of you and to thank you for being her
friend. Thank you for taking the time to fill people like me in on
Deb. I didn't know her, but I'm sorry that this happened to her and I
wish that Karen could take responsibility for harming someone in this
matter. Thanks again, Tanya
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| Alphajill |
You're welcome, but loving Millie is easy for anyone that has met her
and knows her. I get to see her once, maybe twice a year when she
comes to visit the shelter. I'm not a part of this Debbie hoopla, so I
really can't talk about more than the bit I read, and what Karen L
called and talked to me about. Trying to talk to me about the subject
completely exasperates me. I know nothing, really! and could care
less.
Welcome Tanya! I hope to meet you soon!
Affectionately,
Barb Clay
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| meandthee555 |
I knew you would side step this and squirm out of telling the truth.
Thank you for proving my point. From your camp THE TRUTH DOESN'T
MATTER!!!!!!!
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| Joan |
Barb told you the truth. It's your problem if you can't handle it.
meandthee555 wrote:
> I knew you would side step this and squirm out of telling the truth.
> Thank you for proving my point. From your camp THE TRUTH DOESN'T
> MATTER!!!!!!!
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| meandthee555 |
McBitch, did I direct this post to you?? No I didn't. When I want any
**** from you, I will unscrew the top of your head and dip it out but
don't hold your breath. On second thought, please hold your breath, I
will get back with you in about a year. .
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| Alphajill |
Dear Karen (meandthee555 alias),
I didn't sidestep it at all. LOL, certainly not squirming. I gave that
response to you quite some effort. I really hoped that you would read
it. Go read again. Now just because it's not what you want to hear,
doesn't mean that it's not the truth. Remember the first time you ever
called me? I told you something you didn't want to hear. You yelled
expletives at me and hung up. Up until that moment, I thought we were
working a problem. I know John is a dear, and you are quite spoiled by
him, but don't expect the rest of the world to cater to you. I will
tell you the truth, and sorry if that is not what you want to hear, but
as you always say, "I'm calling you on my nickel". As in those phone
calls, and certainly with you starting this post, you have once again
come to me, with the same old, same old..........my answer is still the
same. You just need to hear it. I've never steered you wrong Karen,
and you can't deny that.
Why the new name of meandthee555, if you don't mind me asking?
Kinda makes you look rather silly.
ROTF, I have no camp Karen. You've said that every time we've spoken.
It's me Barb, all by herself. I think for myself, and speak for
myself, and that's it! No one else. You know this, why are you acting
like this? You know better kiddo! Come on stop this, you and I are
better than this. I've repeated myself to you. Now if you have
anything else, in the morning grab your coffee and give me a call.
okay? I've given you no reason to be mean to me, so don't.
Affectionately,
Barb Clay
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| lighthouseferrets@yahoo.com |
Bitch you wouldn't know the truth if it was hanging out your ass.
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| Joan |
No matter how hard you try, Barb, there are some people who refuse to
be helped...even when they've begged for your help on numerous
occasions. I admire your willingness to help each time she's called
you and requested it, but she's obviously too far gone along her self
destructive path to accept the truth of all the things she doesn't want
to hear.
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lighthouseferrets@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bitch you wouldn't know the truth if it was hanging out your ass.
POT,KETTLE,BLACK ROFLMAO
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