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| AnotherBirdLover |
I moved on with my plan to move our birds up to my room/study upstairs
so as part of that I adopted another bird. I was torn between a Jenday
and a Sun and ended up going with a Sun because I found a really sweat
one who had been well taken care of and the family just couldn't keep
him any longer.
I was worried about time sharing, but my Green Cheek (Kadin) gets along
fairly well with our new Sun (Kama), I kept them apart but in proximity
of each other the first two days. Then on the third day we took them
both up to our local bird speciality store for grooming. My wife had
Kama and I had Kadin, at one point we got close and Kadin flew off my
shoulder and on to my wifes arm, he (we finally got his DNA results
back, so I can say "he" with confidence) got up next to Kama and
starting preening, Kama positioned his neck really enjoyed it. So we
let them ride home in the same carrier and we watched them closely,
they continued to grrom each other.
I will continue to keep them in seperate cages and monitor all their
activities togeaher, but I'm really happy they get along. Also time
sharing isn't a problem now because I can keep both of them with me at
the same time, although the Green Cheek still demands more attention.
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| Alex Clayton |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I moved on with my plan to move our birds up to my room/study upstairs
> so as part of that I adopted another bird. I was torn between a Jenday
> and a Sun and ended up going with a Sun because I found a really sweat
> one who had been well taken care of and the family just couldn't keep
> him any longer.
>
> I was worried about time sharing, but my Green Cheek (Kadin) gets along
> fairly well with our new Sun (Kama), I kept them apart but in proximity
> of each other the first two days. Then on the third day we took them
> both up to our local bird speciality store for grooming. My wife had
> Kama and I had Kadin, at one point we got close and Kadin flew off my
> shoulder and on to my wifes arm, he (we finally got his DNA results
> back, so I can say "he" with confidence) got up next to Kama and
> starting preening, Kama positioned his neck really enjoyed it. So we
> let them ride home in the same carrier and we watched them closely,
> they continued to grrom each other.
>
> I will continue to keep them in seperate cages and monitor all their
> activities togeaher, but I'm really happy they get along. Also time
> sharing isn't a problem now because I can keep both of them with me at
> the same time, although the Green Cheek still demands more attention.
>
Sounds great, and congrat's on the new addition. One caution though. When
you get a new bird from any source you should always quarantine the new bird
until you are sure it is not sick. If you bring home a sick bird that is not
yet showing it, then find out later you may have to medicate all the birds,
expensive, and you have not lived till you had to try to force antibiotics
down a bird twice a day for 10 days. After you do it once you will never
want to have to do it again <g>.
Enjoy the new addition!!!
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
--Benjamin Franklin
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| ZQ |
Alex Clayton wrote:
>
>
> Sounds great, and congrat's on the new addition. One caution though. When
> you get a new bird from any source you should always quarantine the new bird
> until you are sure it is not sick. If you bring home a sick bird that is not
> yet showing it, then find out later blah blah blah
Quarantining a new bird is good for one thing and one thing only. It
allows people to think that they are actually doing something good for
their bird. The reality is that they are actually just wasting the time
and effort because there is virtually no chance that what they are doing
is actually effective.
ZQ
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| Joanne |
"ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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> Quarantining a new bird is good for one thing and one thing only. It
> allows people to think that they are actually doing something good for
> their bird. The reality is that they are actually just wasting the time
> and effort because there is virtually no chance that what they are doing
> is actually effective.
>
> ZQ
Why would you say this? What do you believe this procedure, done correctly,
is not affecting? Do you have some alternative method of protecting healthy
stock from the introduction of potentially contaminated stock?
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Joanne
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| Alex Clayton |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
> news:1118287412.21f910b8cb09fb9ddd07ea7e6ad14a32@teranews...
>
>> Quarantining a new bird is good for one thing and one thing only. It
>> allows people to think that they are actually doing something good for
>> their bird. The reality is that they are actually just wasting the time
>> and effort because there is virtually no chance that what they are doing
>> is actually effective.
>>
>> ZQ
>
> Why would you say this? What do you believe this procedure, done
> correctly, is not affecting? Do you have some alternative method of
> protecting healthy stock from the introduction of potentially contaminated
> stock?
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
>
> If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
>
He would say that because this is mick or jynyx, or whatever. Still having
"issues" with his parents and crying out for attention.
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If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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| Troy & Vicky Jollimore |
Actually, I'd have to say that he's half-right on this. Most bird illnesses
seem to be so well-hidden that you don't even know about them until much
later. The only ones that you catch are the ones where the new bird suddenly
keels over and blows up like a beachball. The 'obvious symptom' ones.
I'd still recommend the early 'quarantine', though. Even to get the new bird
used to you without distractions...
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
> news:1118287412.21f910b8cb09fb9ddd07ea7e6ad14a32@teranews...
>
> > Quarantining a new bird is good for one thing and one thing only. It
> > allows people to think that they are actually doing something good for
> > their bird. The reality is that they are actually just wasting the time
> > and effort because there is virtually no chance that what they are doing
> > is actually effective.
> >
> > ZQ
>
> Why would you say this? What do you believe this procedure, done
correctly,
> is not affecting? Do you have some alternative method of protecting
healthy
> stock from the introduction of potentially contaminated stock?
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
>
> If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
>
> Play - http://www.jobird.com
> Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
> Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
> Garden Kinder CDs
> http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
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| Joanne |
"Troy & Vicky Jollimore" <tjollimore@NoSpam.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Actually, I'd have to say that he's half-right on this. Most bird
> illnesses
> seem to be so well-hidden that you don't even know about them until much
> later. The only ones that you catch are the ones where the new bird
> suddenly
> keels over and blows up like a beachball. The 'obvious symptom' ones.
>
> I'd still recommend the early 'quarantine', though. Even to get the new
> bird
> used to you without distractions...
A bird coming from a home where good health practices are in place is
probably the safest bird to introduce without a lot of fanfare.
A bird coming from a pet store has possibly come in contact with other birds
(even if the bird was from a healthy closed aviary) in its journey through
the wholesale/retail system. It has also possibly come in contact with
humans who have gone from store to store, touching every bird in the
neighborhood. The potential for disease is present.
Quarantining a new bird coming into a home with birds is such a good
practice, at least until the "new bird test" results are back from the vet.
And for the very reason you state; because there is no obvious indication of
illness until it's at a critical stage.
Would you invite a stranger to come home with you, drink out of the same cup
with him/her, share your toothbrush et al? Doesn't sound like a great idea
to me.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
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| AnotherBirdLover |
My Avian vet looked our new Sun over and said he looked good and she
saw no signs of sickness. She gave her disclaimer about birds hiding
sickness and that without running test there isn't a 100% guarantee.
I know where the bird came from, I know he's had a good home and is
active, so I decided against isolating him to a different room.
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| Alex Clayton |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> My Avian vet looked our new Sun over and said he looked good and she
> saw no signs of sickness. She gave her disclaimer about birds hiding
> sickness and that without running test there isn't a 100% guarantee.
>
> I know where the bird came from, I know he's had a good home and is
> active, so I decided against isolating him to a different room.
>
It's VERY good that you had the bird looked at by an Avian Vet. Far too many
people who own "pets" whether they be birds, Dogs, or Cats think of the
"Vet" as something you look for if the animal gets sick.
I am a little over protective only because I went through a few 10 day
sessions of forcing medicine down the throat of a Macaw. Had nothing to do
with contagious disease, but the result is the same. Once you have to do it,
you never want to do it again. The birds fight you every step of the way
because the stuff tastes terrible. If I was to get another bird I would
definitely have the labs done before I let the new bird near the other
birds. To me it's well worth the $250.00 or so, rather than have to medicate
all of them later, but that is because I have been through this before. I
still have the Vet do labs on our birds every other year just as a "just in
case".
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If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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| 2fatbbq |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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>
> Would you invite a stranger to come home with you, drink out of the same
> cup with him/her, share your toothbrush et al? Doesn't sound like a great
> idea to me.
Well there was this girl I met at the bar last week--she followed me
home(liked the bird) and I guess in the morning sharing the toothbrush
wasn't a big deal! BFG
Buz
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| Joanne |
"2fatbbq" <2fatbbq@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
> news:u5Ype.1759$jX6.144@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Would you invite a stranger to come home with you, drink out of the same
>> cup with him/her, share your toothbrush et al? Doesn't sound like a
>> great idea to me.
> Well there was this girl I met at the bar last week--she followed me
> home(liked the bird) and I guess in the morning sharing the toothbrush
> wasn't a big deal! BFG
>
> Buz
Buz, you're living on the edge. Here's hoping your business doesn't fall
off.
J
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| 2fatbbq |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "2fatbbq" <2fatbbq@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3grq36Fdrme9U1@individual.net...
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>> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
>> news:u5Ype.1759$jX6.144@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> Would you invite a stranger to come home with you, drink out of the same
>>> cup with him/her, share your toothbrush et al? Doesn't sound like a
>>> great idea to me.
>> Well there was this girl I met at the bar last week--she followed me
>> home(liked the bird) and I guess in the morning sharing the toothbrush
>> wasn't a big deal! BFG
>>
>> Buz
>
> Buz, you're living on the edge. Here's hoping your business doesn't fall
> off.
>
Well I'll fess up--been married for darn near28yrs to same lovely woman but
we just had a discussion about all the things couples "share" but the
toothbrush never<sf>
Buzz
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| Graham Townsend |
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:50:11 +0000, Alex Clayton wrote:
<snip>
Love that sig line - hadn't heard that one before!
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| ZQ |
Joanne wrote:
>
>
> Why would you say this? What do you believe this procedure, done correctly,
> is not affecting?
The point is that it can't be done correctly.
> Do you have some alternative method of protecting healthy
> stock from the introduction of potentially contaminated stock?
>
Nope. It's all a crap shoot.
ZQ
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| ZQ |
Alex Clayton wrote:
>
>
> He would say that because this is mick or jynyx, or whatever. Still having
> "issues" with his parents and crying out for attention.
Your children must have been teased a lot for having two Mommies.
ZQ
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| Joanne |
"ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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> Joanne wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Why would you say this? What do you believe this procedure, done
>> correctly, is not affecting?
>
> The point is that it can't be done correctly.
>
>
>> Do you have some alternative method of protecting healthy stock from the
>> introduction of potentially contaminated stock?
>>
>
> Nope. It's all a crap shoot.
>
> ZQ
I'll bet I can do it. And if I can do it, anyone can.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
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| Alex Clayton |
"Graham Townsend" <graham@NOSPAMTHANKYOUtownsends.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in
message
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> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:50:11 +0000, Alex Clayton wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Love that sig line - hadn't heard that one before!
>
Can't remember were I got it, but like all mine I got it from someone else.
Some I have in my list come from bumper stickers I see that I get a laugh
out of.
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| ZQ |
Joanne wrote:
>
>
> I'll bet I can do it.
Okay go buy an infectious bird and quarantine it in your home. Let us
know what happens. Oh wait, if you know It's sick it's a whole lot
easier to take precautions that probably wouldn't be taken if you had no
reason to doubt the bird was in good health.
>And if I can do it, anyone can.
>
That's a given.
ZQ
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| Joanne |
"ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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> Joanne wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'll bet I can do it.
>
> Okay go buy an infectious bird and quarantine it in your home. Let us
> know what happens. Oh wait, if you know It's sick it's a whole lot easier
> to take precautions that probably wouldn't be taken if you had no reason
> to doubt the bird was in good health.
>
>
>>And if I can do it, anyone can.
>>
>
>
> That's a given.
>
> ZQ
My point is that every addition must be treated as though it IS an
infectious bird. Once one becomes complacent about the potential, their
quarantine program may become compromised. But that doesn't mean it can't
be done. I never said it was easy. I feel the payoff is worth the effort.
Not everyone may. But more likely, not everyone believes it can happen to
them. And every time it doesn't, they typically become more cavalier about
their regime.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
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| Laurie |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
> news:1118442246.1b6ddc7d06893f319f328d705f2fbe49@teranews...
>> Joanne wrote:
> My point is that every addition must be treated as though it IS an
> infectious bird. Once one becomes complacent about the potential, their
> quarantine program may become compromised. But that doesn't mean it can't
> be done. I never said it was easy. I feel the payoff is worth the
> effort. Not everyone may. But more likely, not everyone believes it can
> happen to them. And every time it doesn't, they typically become more
> cavalier about their regime.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
>
I think it would be extremely difficult to effectively quarantine a bird in
most homes. Central air and furnace will circulate air throughout the
entire house...any airborne stuff would just get blown into a quarantine
room anyways.
Laurie
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| Joanne |
"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> I think it would be extremely difficult to effectively quarantine a bird
> in most homes. Central air and furnace will circulate air throughout the
> entire house...any airborne stuff would just get blown into a quarantine
> room anyways.
>
> Laurie
Good point. Vents can be sealed.
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Joanne
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| ZQ |
Joanne wrote:
> "Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
> news:lTrqe.2321$NX4.1299@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>I think it would be extremely difficult to effectively quarantine a bird
>>in most homes. Central air and furnace will circulate air throughout the
>>entire house...any airborne stuff would just get blown into a quarantine
>>room anyways.
>>
>>Laurie
>
>
>
> Good point. Vents can be sealed.
>
Air still circulates through a house even with vents closed/sealed, just
not as efficiently.
So you were just fooling yourself.
Since you've obviously never thought of that, you've never actually
quarantined a bird then - you just thought you did. There are also many
other things you've never thought of or done, some of which are probably
specific to your home. So what makes you think you can do it now if you
you've already failed everytime you've tried before?
ZQ
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| Joanne |
"ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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>> Good point. Vents can be sealed.
>>
>
> Air still circulates through a house even with vents closed/sealed, just
> not as efficiently.
>
> So you were just fooling yourself.
>
> Since you've obviously never thought of that, you've never actually
> quarantined a bird then - you just thought you did. There are also many
> other things you've never thought of or done, some of which are probably
> specific to your home. So what makes you think you can do it now if you
> you've already failed everytime you've tried before?
>
> ZQ
You make assumptions about me which are incorrect.
I have an area which does not share the same forced air system with the rest
of the house. This is the area I've always used for isolating birds and
clients from my closed aviary.
When chicks are visited by potential buyers for the first time, those chicks
are moved to the outer office and are never reintroduced back into the
living quarters (kind of like developing film).
It's been a long time since a new bird has been added, but that's where they
live for up to two months before coming into the aviary area.
Even if I didn't have this independent area, a separate room with sealed
vents would be sufficient to achieve quarantine.
If you'd like to argue that anything short of a "clean room" is not enough
to qualify, I'd agree even though that would be an unrealistic level of
isolation for most people to achieve. A conscientious attempt to protect an
existing collection is certainly better than no effort because someone is
hyping its unachievability.
--
Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
Play - http://www.jobird.com
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| Gardel |
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Graham Townsend" <graham@NOSPAMTHANKYOUtownsends.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in
> message
> news:pan.2005.06.09.23.12.59.193787@NOSPAMTHANKYOUtownsends.eclipse.co.uk...
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:50:11 +0000, Alex Clayton wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Love that sig line - hadn't heard that one before!
>>
>
> Can't remember were I got it, but like all mine I got it from someone
> else. Some I have in my list come from bumper stickers I see that I get a
> laugh out of.
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
Internet search either attributes the quote to Stephen Wright or Homer
Simpson.... go figure?
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| Joan Quinn |
From a brochure on bird care published by the Avian vet group.
Quarantine:
Isolation and quarantine of a new bird, even those that are believed to
"healthy" is the first and most important thing an owner can do. In order
to protect other birds on the premises, it is advised that all newly
acquired birds be maintained separately for a period of at least six weeks
following purchase.
Many airborne virus can be spread from room to room by central air
conditioning or heating
systems, so an off premises location is preferred.
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
> news:1118461370.c4b3c82dd5360bc57bf9481ad9899a52@teranews...
>
>>> Good point. Vents can be sealed.
>>>
>>
>> Air still circulates through a house even with vents closed/sealed, just
>> not as efficiently.
>>
>> So you were just fooling yourself.
>>
>> Since you've obviously never thought of that, you've never actually
>> quarantined a bird then - you just thought you did. There are also many
>> other things you've never thought of or done, some of which are probably
>> specific to your home. So what makes you think you can do it now if you
>> you've already failed everytime you've tried before?
>>
>> ZQ
>
> You make assumptions about me which are incorrect.
>
> I have an area which does not share the same forced air system with the
> rest of the house. This is the area I've always used for isolating birds
> and clients from my closed aviary.
>
> When chicks are visited by potential buyers for the first time, those
> chicks are moved to the outer office and are never reintroduced back into
> the living quarters (kind of like developing film).
>
> It's been a long time since a new bird has been added, but that's where
> they live for up to two months before coming into the aviary area.
>
> Even if I didn't have this independent area, a separate room with sealed
> vents would be sufficient to achieve quarantine.
>
> If you'd like to argue that anything short of a "clean room" is not enough
> to qualify, I'd agree even though that would be an unrealistic level of
> isolation for most people to achieve. A conscientious attempt to protect
> an existing collection is certainly better than no effort because someone
> is hyping its unachievability.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
>
> If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
>
> Play - http://www.jobird.com
> Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
> Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
> Garden Kinder CDs
> http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
>
>
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"Joan Quinn" <j.quinnat @@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> From a brochure on bird care published by the Avian vet group.
>
> Quarantine:
>
> Isolation and quarantine of a new bird, even those that are believed to
> "healthy" is the first and most important thing an owner can do. In order
> to protect other birds on the premises, it is advised that all newly
> acquired birds be maintained separately for a period of at least six weeks
> following purchase.
> Many airborne virus can be spread from room to room by central air
> conditioning or heating
> systems, so an off premises location is preferred.
I like to think in terms of solutions. How do you quarantine, Joan?
I'd love to hear how people set up their quarantines. We all know it can't
be perfect. But maybe others are doing smart things that would enhance my
quarantine.
When I quarantine, those are the last birds I tend to before changing and
showering. Flip flops used in that room stay in that room. Quarantines are
kept at the extreme opposite end of the house. The forced air heat/ac does
not circulate through that room. It has its own heat and no a/c, just
windows and doors. What else are you doing that I could incorporate? I'm
open to improvement. Off site is not an option for me.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
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"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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>> "ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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>>> Joanne wrote:
>> My point is that every addition must be treated as though it IS an
>> infectious bird. Once one becomes complacent about the potential, their
>> quarantine program may become compromised. But that doesn't mean it
>> can't be done. I never said it was easy. I feel the payoff is worth the
>> effort. Not everyone may. But more likely, not everyone believes it can
>> happen to them. And every time it doesn't, they typically become more
>> cavalier about their regime.
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Joanne
>>
>
> I think it would be extremely difficult to effectively quarantine a bird
> in most homes. Central air and furnace will circulate air throughout the
> entire house...any airborne stuff would just get blown into a quarantine
> room anyways.
>
> Laurie
>
Yes if you had central air it would probably make it harder to control. Any
attempt would be better than just "hoeping" all went well though. You have
had to medicate your birds before so you know what I mean about how hard it
is to do. With the small birds they fight and it's hard to hold them without
hurting them. With large birds like a Macaw they will try to hurt you when
they see it coming <G>
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| Alex Clayton |
"Gardel" <gardel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Graham Townsend" <graham@NOSPAMTHANKYOUtownsends.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in
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>> news:pan.2005.06.09.23.12.59.193787@NOSPAMTHANKYOUtownsends.eclipse.co.uk...
>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:50:11 +0000, Alex Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Love that sig line - hadn't heard that one before!
>>>
>>
>> Can't remember were I got it, but like all mine I got it from someone
>> else. Some I have in my list come from bumper stickers I see that I get a
>> laugh out of.
>> --
>> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
>
> Internet search either attributes the quote to Stephen Wright or Homer
> Simpson.... go figure?
>
LOL, well I love Homer Simpson, so I'll give him the credit. <G>
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| Joan Quinn |
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"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "Joan Quinn" <j.quinnat @@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8Dyqe.2693$jX6.2251@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> From a brochure on bird care published by the Avian vet group.
>>
>> Quarantine:
>>
>> Isolation and quarantine of a new bird, even those that are believed to
>> "healthy" is the first and most important thing an owner can do. In
>> order to protect other birds on the premises, it is advised that all
>> newly acquired birds be maintained separately for a period of at least
>> six weeks following purchase.
>> Many airborne virus can be spread from room to room by central air
>> conditioning or heating
>> systems, so an off premises location is preferred.
>
> I like to think in terms of solutions. How do you quarantine, Joan?
>
> I'd love to hear how people set up their quarantines. We all know it
> can't be perfect. But maybe others are doing smart things that would
> enhance my quarantine.
>
> When I quarantine, those are the last birds I tend to before changing and
> showering. Flip flops used in that room stay in that room. Quarantines
> are kept at the extreme opposite end of the house. The forced air heat/ac
> does not circulate through that room. It has its own heat and no a/c,
> just windows and doors. What else are you doing that I could incorporate?
> I'm open to improvement. Off site is not an option for me.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
>
> If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
>
> Play - http://www.jobird.com
> Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
> Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
> Garden Kinder CDs
> http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
>
I have only one bird but I was concerned about my son visiting with his new
bird and found this info so I just added it to the discussion. I think
offsite would be almost impossible for most people.
Joan
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| Laurie |
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>> I think it would be extremely difficult to effectively quarantine a bird
>> in most homes. Central air and furnace will circulate air throughout the
>> entire house...any airborne stuff would just get blown into a quarantine
>> room anyways.
>>
>> Laurie
>>
>
> Yes if you had central air it would probably make it harder to control.
> Any attempt would be better than just "hoeping" all went well though. You
> have had to medicate your birds before so you know what I mean about how
> hard it is to do. With the small birds they fight and it's hard to hold
> them without hurting them. With large birds like a Macaw they will try to
> hurt you when they see it coming <G>
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
I agree whole-heartedly about 'trying' to quarantine as best as one can.
I'm just saying that in most homes, a perfect quarantine is next to
impossible. And believe me, I *remember* what is was like trying to get
meds into my birds...I pray I never have to go through that again!!
Laurie
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| Alex Clayton |
"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> I agree whole-heartedly about 'trying' to quarantine as best as one can.
> I'm just saying that in most homes, a perfect quarantine is next to
> impossible. And believe me, I *remember* what is was like trying to get
> meds into my birds...I pray I never have to go through that again!!
>
> Laurie
>
No disagreement there, nothing is 100%. After the experience I had with our
first Macaw and 3 times going through 10 day medicating cycles, I was a
little over protective for a while. I was afraid to even walk in a pet store
<G>.
Someone who is going though this with a Too E-mailed me that someone needs
to invent a device that would hold a bird with out harming it so you could
give medicine. Said they would get rich. I had to agree, had all kinds of
ideas running though my mind. "The RonCo Bird medimatic", "Just set your
bird in one end, it comes out the other end having been fed it's dose and
ready to play". LOL.
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| Laurie |
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> No disagreement there, nothing is 100%. After the experience I had with
> our first Macaw and 3 times going through 10 day medicating cycles, I was
> a little over protective for a while. I was afraid to even walk in a pet
> store <G>.
> Someone who is going though this with a Too E-mailed me that someone
> needs to invent a device that would hold a bird with out harming it so you
> could give medicine. Said they would get rich. I had to agree, had all
> kinds of ideas running though my mind. "The RonCo Bird medimatic", "Just
> set your bird in one end, it comes out the other end having been fed it's
> dose and ready to play". LOL.
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
Heheh...you invent it and then you can buy me that big blue bird that I've
always dreamed about
L
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| ZQ |
Joanne wrote:
>
>
> You make assumptions about me which are incorrect.
>
> I have an area which does not share the same forced air system with the rest
> of the house.
Some people don't have forced air at all. But they srill have air that
circulates as do you.
> This is the area I've always used for isolating birds and
> clients from my closed aviary.
>
> When chicks are visited by potential buyers for the first time, those chicks
> are moved to the outer office and are never reintroduced back into the
> living quarters (kind of like developing film).
>
> It's been a long time since a new bird has been added, but that's where they
> live for up to two months before coming into the aviary area.
>
> Even if I didn't have this independent area, a separate room with sealed
> vents would be sufficient to achieve quarantine.
>
> If you'd like to argue that anything short of a "clean room" is not enough
> to qualify, I'd agree even though that would be an unrealistic level of
> isolation for most people to achieve.
All I've assumed is that you've never actually quarantined a bird. The
best you can say you did was take precautions. So I wasn't wrong.
> A conscientious attempt to protect an
> existing collection is certainly better than no effort because someone is
> hyping its unachievability.
>
Now you're doing the assuming. I said that if you think you're
quarantining a bird, you're fooling yourself. I said nothing about
simply taking precautions.
ZQ
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| ZQ |
Joanne wrote:
>
> I'd love to hear how people set up their quarantines.
You must mean how people take some precautions.
>
> When I quarantine, those are the last birds
You've never quarantined.
ZQ
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| Joanne |
"ZQ" <thebigtrinity@wontoofree.com> wrote in message
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> Now you're doing the assuming. I said that if you think you're
> quarantining a bird, you're fooling yourself. I said nothing about simply
> taking precautions.
>
> ZQ
Okay, you've won at picking this semantic nit. Now, do you have any wisdom
on taking precautions?
For people who are currently doing nothing, and never really thought about
it, the things Laurie, Alex and you are bringing up go a long way toward
awareness of how difficult and important it is to try.
The comments about what isn't foolproof makes my point of how devastating
contagious birds can be to one another and how many transmission modes there
are.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
Play - http://www.jobird.com
Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
Garden Kinder CDs
http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
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| Wheeler |
It has been a while but I seem to remember a strap and velcro strap down
system used by Vets.......maybe they still use then only in the back room
where we do not see them? VBG
Bob W
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A few new features and new pictures.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
> Someone who is going though this with a Too E-mailed me that someone
> needs to invent a device that would hold a bird with out harming it so you
> could give medicine. Said they would get rich. I had to agree, had all
> kinds of ideas running though my mind. "The RonCo Bird medimatic", "Just
> set your bird in one end, it comes out the other end having been fed it's
> dose and ready to play". LOL.
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
>
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Totally seperate building is best, (yes I have three) recommended foot baths
at each location and to do it proper a strip down between building. Now can
I come watch you girls practice?
It would take clean room protocals to do the job right, that is not
realistic by anyones standards. Me, I am lucky, so far........
Bob W
--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
> Okay, you've won at picking this semantic nit. Now, do you have any
> wisdom on taking precautions?
>
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| Joanne |
"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> Totally seperate building is best, (yes I have three) recommended foot
> baths at each location and to do it proper a strip down between building.
> Now can I come watch you girls practice?
Quid pro quo?
>
> It would take clean room protocals to do the job right, that is not
> realistic by anyones standards. Me, I am lucky, so far........
>
> Bob W
> --
> Check out our web site,
> A few new features and new pictures.
> http://www.onemorebird.com/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
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| Wheeler |
?
--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:11ana4lae2qt623@corp.supernews.com...
>> Totally seperate building is best, (yes I have three) recommended foot
>> baths at each location and to do it proper a strip down between building.
>> Now can I come watch you girls practice?
>
>
> Quid pro quo?
>
>
>>
>> It would take clean room protocals to do the job right, that is not
>> realistic by anyones standards. Me, I am lucky, so far........
>>
>> Bob W
>> --
>> Check out our web site,
>> A few new features and new pictures.
>> http://www.onemorebird.com/
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
>
>
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I am old and fat, nekkid is not a pretty sight!
Bob W
--
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A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:11ana4lae2qt623@corp.supernews.com...
>> Totally seperate building is best, (yes I have three) recommended foot
>> baths at each location and to do it proper a strip down between building.
>> Now can I come watch you girls practice?
>
>
> Quid pro quo?
>
>
>>
>> It would take clean room protocals to do the job right, that is not
>> realistic by anyones standards. Me, I am lucky, so far........
>>
>> Bob W
>> --
>> Check out our web site,
>> A few new features and new pictures.
>> http://www.onemorebird.com/
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
>
>
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| Joanne |
"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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>I am old and fat, nekkid is not a pretty sight!
>
> Bob W
I'm sure you're a silver teddy bear.
J
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Nope, just a doo lap and black head,,,,,,
Bob W
--
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A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parrotletsandfun/
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:11aovleqv1id4f2@corp.supernews.com...
>>I am old and fat, nekkid is not a pretty sight!
>>
>> Bob W
>
> I'm sure you're a silver teddy bear.
>
> J
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"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lbIqe.2671$NX4.2307@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> No disagreement there, nothing is 100%. After the experience I had with
>> our first Macaw and 3 times going through 10 day medicating cycles, I was
>> a little over protective for a while. I was afraid to even walk in a pet
>> store <G>.
>> Someone who is going though this with a Too E-mailed me that someone
>> needs to invent a device that would hold a bird with out harming it so
>> you could give medicine. Said they would get rich. I had to agree, had
>> all kinds of ideas running though my mind. "The RonCo Bird medimatic",
>> "Just set your bird in one end, it comes out the other end having been
>> fed it's dose and ready to play". LOL.
>> --
>> If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
> Heheh...you invent it and then you can buy me that big blue bird that I've
> always dreamed about
>
> L
>
Buy you?? I'm still waiting for that bird. The deal was YOU were supposed to
buy it and I was going to keep it for you.
Of course if I could invent the Bird Medimatic I suppose I could afford 2
of those, LOL.
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"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> Buy you?? I'm still waiting for that bird. The deal was YOU were supposed
> to buy it and I was going to keep it for you.
> Of course if I could invent the Bird Medimatic I suppose I could afford 2
> of those, LOL.
> --
Is *that* what the deal was? Eh, I was young and foolish back then, so the
deal's off!
Hey, I got hit with MBD again....I now have another cockatiel. There are
tons of tiels at the local Humane society and this one stole my heart from
the very first. He's quite a talker too. I don't know what it is with
those tiels but I sure do love them!
Laurie
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"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yKhre.3504$hK3.761@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> "Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:rPJqe.2979$jX6.1234@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Buy you?? I'm still waiting for that bird. The deal was YOU were supposed
>> to buy it and I was going to keep it for you.
>> Of course if I could invent the Bird Medimatic I suppose I could afford
>> 2 of those, LOL.
>> --
> Is *that* what the deal was? Eh, I was young and foolish back then, so
> the deal's off!
> Hey, I got hit with MBD again....I now have another cockatiel. There are
> tons of tiels at the local Humane society and this one stole my heart from
> the very first. He's quite a talker too. I don't know what it is with
> those tiels but I sure do love them!
>
> Laurie
>
LOL, I'm sure he took one look at you and said "here's the one for me". <G>
I don't know if the shelters here have birds or not. If they do I KNOW I do
not want to know. I doubt I would be able to walk through without taking one
home, and the last thing I need is another one. <G>
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