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| AnotherBirdLover |
If you have a band number how do you go about looking up what breeder
that bird came from.
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| Gloria Carr |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If you have a band number how do you go about looking up what breeder
> that bird came from.
What does the band say? Some band companies keep a public registry of
initals on the band they sell so that you can look them up. Bands that are
sold through clubs are registered with them.
Gloria
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| AnotherBirdLover |
TM nnn 0A0 LA
Where nnn is just a three digit numeric number that I'd rather not post
here.
The bird is a green cheek conure, purchased in Texas. The PetCo I
bought him from told me the breeder was local, but when I took him to a
speciality store I was told he was "definately from a Louisiana
breeder" (as I suppose the LA implies). I'm just curious where he came
from and if there is a stand way to read these things.
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| Gloria Carr |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> TM nnn 0A0 LA
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> Where nnn is just a three digit numeric number that I'd rather not post
> here.
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> The bird is a green cheek conure, purchased in Texas. The PetCo I
> bought him from told me the breeder was local, but when I took him to a
> speciality store I was told he was "definately from a Louisiana
> breeder" (as I suppose the LA implies). I'm just curious where he came
> from and if there is a stand way to read these things.
Yeah, LA for Lousiana. The TM is probably the breeder's initals, and the
three digit number is probably the bird's number. I have no idea what 0A0
is. Most bands have the year on them to prove age, unless that was on the
three digit number? Usually year is two digit... Wesley's band is BB OR 00
n; breeder, state, year (2000) and bird number. I would contact the bird
clubs in Lousiana to see if they have that information
Gloria.
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| AnotherBirdLover |
Took another look, it's actually reads like this:
LA
TM nnn 05
The girl at the pet store wrote it down wrong on the paperwork she gave
me.
The "LA" appears sideways between the three digit number at the 05. So
I guess I just need to find out what breeder is using the TM band
prefix in Lousiana. I'd like to know because the bird I purchased was
malnourished. He had just arrived at the pet store the day before I
bought him so something must have happend in transport or at the
breeder.
I'm also just curious where exactly he came from.
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| AnotherBirdLover |
My assesment that the bird was malnourished seems to be subjective at
this point, my search for the breeder now is more out of curiosity and
trying to confirm the birth date.
After searching the web I came across some clues that have helped me
trace the breeder back to Tessie McCune (hence the TM) in New Orleans,
Lousiana. Bands following this format: TM [bird number] LA (sideways)
[year] come from her aviary. She does not have a public web-site. I did
get an e-mail address which I won't post here (I think it's very
inappropriate to post anyones e-mail address to a newsgroup without
their permission).
If anyone has more information about this breeder I'd like know more.
Mostly I want to know more about where Kadin (my new baby Green Cheek)
came from. The people at my local PetCo were very nice and I think they
care a great deal about their birds (they seem to do as much as they
can within the policies of PetCo, which isn't saying much), but when I
asked where he came from an answer like "the distributior" is kind of
frightening. I'm envisioning either a very large (i.e. impersonal)
aviary or a broker that deals with many local breeders. I'm hoping the
later is the case.
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| Joanne |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If anyone has more information about this breeder I'd like know more.
> Mostly I want to know more about where Kadin (my new baby Green Cheek)
> came from. The people at my local PetCo were very nice and I think they
> care a great deal about their birds (they seem to do as much as they
> can within the policies of PetCo, which isn't saying much), but when I
> asked where he came from an answer like "the distributior" is kind of
> frightening. I'm envisioning either a very large (i.e. impersonal)
> aviary or a broker that deals with many local breeders. I'm hoping the
> later is the case.
When a buyer wants a personal relationship with a breeder, they go to a
breeder for the bird and everything that breeder has to offer. You didn't
do that.
When a breeder sells birds to a distributor, that breeder has made a
decision about his/her business as well. This is a very different way of
doing business than that of the breeder who educates buyers, carefully
screening them for the attributes each individual breeder deems important
for placement of one of their birds.
Now that you've acquired your bird from PetCo, you are seeking the perks
that come with the purchase of a bird directly from the breeder. Don't be
surprised if this breeder isn't thrilled about you seeking her.
Be happy with your new PetCo bird. Ask PetCo for their help (such as it
is). They will probably direct you to their inventory of books. Make up a
birthdate and celebrate it. Next time you may want to purchase from a
breeder and compare the difference in birds, service and ongoing assistance.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
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| AnotherBirdLover |
I completely respect what you've said about the breeder relationship as
it relates to the big chain stores, and I will be surprised to get any
information back from the breeder, but I figure it's worth a shot. I
detect a negative undertone in your comments (negativity towards PetCo
and possibly my decision to buy a bird from there). Has your business
been hurt by PetCo and other big chain stores? I think in general these
large chain stores should stay out of the business of selling pets and
focus on pet supplies, but I'll have you know that I looked all over
for a Green Cheek conure locally. I searched local animal shelters, I
searched all the local bird speciality stores within the greater
Houston area and of the two I did find, both were adults. One had a
behavior problem (aparently didn't like men) the oher was a very sweat
bird and I struggled three days trying to decide if I should buy him. I
actually set up to buy him the day I bought Kadin (my new baby Green
Cheek). and called the local PetCo about something for our cat. I just
happend to ask if they had any conures and she said they had just
gotten in a green cheek and a yellow-side.
I played with both for a bit and decided to go with the Green Cheek.
Here are some of the reasons:
- The adult bird I was very sweat, but he was also more expensive. The
speciality store owner was very kind and had offered to take off 20% of
their asking price. I didn't feel comfortable asking her to come down
any more and even with the 20% discount on the adult bird she was 10%
more expensive than the baby Green Cheek. I thought they were asking a
bit much for a bird that had been in a few homes already and the local
breeders (who did not have any birds at the time), their prices (prices
they sell to the public, not pet stores) for babies were about 50%
less.
- The adult bird had been to a few homes before. I had a bad feeling
there may be behavior problems that could surface at home.
- I really want to learn as much as I can about training and bird
behavior. I realize there will be some difficult times ahead for a
baby, but I'm ok to experience those things. Only through experience
will I learn enough about birds to eventually start my own aviary (a
long term goal).
I called around to all the local bird speciality stores (we have some
very good ones in the Houston area), I contacted every Pyrrhura breeder
in Texas (all listed at the Pyrrhura Breeders Association) from Austin,
to Dallas to Corpus. I was prepared to drive to Austin to visit a few
aviaries, but even then I would have only been visiting one green cheek
all the others they had available were yellow-sides.
I found one local breeder who told me he would have some ready to go in
4-5 weeks, but that was too long to wait especially since I got along
so well with Kadin.
I know PetCo is doing (and has done) things that upset a great number
of people in this newsgroup, but these birds need homes too! I do not
buy bird toys, food, etc.. from these large chains, but as I was
playing wth him in the store the question was "why not".
Had I gone back to the speciality store and offered to buy their adult
bird for 10% more, I would have been supporting their practice of
selling previously owned birds at what I felt was an unreasonable
price. I really appriciate what they are doing for these animals, but
I'd rather make a contribution to their store through a donation, than
support their pricing structure which I don't agree with.
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| Joanne |
"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I completely respect what you've said about the breeder relationship as
> it relates to the big chain stores, and I will be surprised to get any
> information back from the breeder, but I figure it's worth a shot. I
> detect a negative undertone in your comments (negativity towards PetCo
> and possibly my decision to buy a bird from there). Has your business
> been hurt by PetCo and other big chain stores? I think in general these
> large chain stores should stay out of the business of selling pets and
> focus on pet supplies, but I'll have you know that I looked all over . . .
Your decision is yours. If it's right for you, then it's right . . . for
you. What I've been reading is that you made that decision and then wanted
the benefits of finding the breeder.
I am a hobby breeder. I have pets that breed. That is a bonus for me and I
take their care and placement very seriously. I don't sell babies to even
small pet stores much less big box stores because that's right for me. I am
contacted regularly to do so. It is a personal choice.
You are the very kind of buyer I love to sell babies to. (No, I don't have
any available and probably won't for some time.) I love buyers who want to
know everything and actually listen to the answers. I love buyers who adore
their birds.
> I found one local breeder who told me he would have some ready to go in
> 4-5 weeks, but that was too long to wait especially since I got along
> so well with Kadin.
I understand the urgency of needing a bird TODAY. We've all been there;
someone here even gave it a cute name. Maybe someone will remember what
that "disease" is called. When I'm away from my birds, I need a bird "fix".
A pet store, a zoo, a retailer's pet bird can get me through the moment.
But I'm definitely hooked on birds. A 5-week wait is a lifetime when you
NEED a bird. Some purchases are very unfortunate; a lifetime with a hurried
decision is a very long time too.
I'm not in any way saying you've made a bad choice. I'm saying, you've made
a choice and it comes with benefits and consequences as all choices do.
> I know PetCo is doing (and has done) things that upset a great number
> of people in this newsgroup, but these birds need homes too! I do not
> buy bird toys, food, etc.. from these large chains, but as I was
> playing wth him in the store the question was "why not".
When we support any business with our purchases, we enable them to continue
to do exactly what they are doing. We even provide them with profits for
growth so they can do it on a grander scale. You have not rescued a bird
that needs a home. You have enabled a chain that buys birds in quantity to
do so even better. But I am certainly not pointing fingers at you. I also
support their ability to continue to operate in their current way every time
I buy dog food or any other product from them, which I do.
> Had I gone back to the speciality store and offered to buy their adult
> bird for 10% more, I would have been supporting their practice of
> selling previously owned birds at what I felt was an unreasonable
> price. I really appriciate what they are doing for these animals, but
> I'd rather make a contribution to their store through a donation, than
> support their pricing structure which I don't agree with.
There are a number of reasons why this store may be charging higher prices:
1. Although their inventory may be cheap to free, they probably don't turn
the inventory over as rapidly as a store selling hand-fed babies. Feeding
and caring for the inventory costs money. There is always limited space for
inventory. The overhead expense never stops.
2. There may be costs related to veterinary testing and treatment to get a
bird in condition for sale.
3. There may be a period of rehabilitation and training in preparation for
placing a bird into a new home if it has been neglected.
4. The costs of trained staff is substantial. Workers don't typically
donate their time to "for profit" stores.
I hope you do see fit to donate to their efforts if you believe in what they
are doing.
I'm glad you have found this news group. You are an enthusiastic poster and
your new-found love for birds is very familiar. I hope to read many more of
your posts in the future.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
Play - http://www.jobird.com
Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
Garden Kinder CDs
http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
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| Laurie |
"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> I understand the urgency of needing a bird TODAY. We've all been there;
> someone here even gave it a cute name. Maybe someone will remember what
> that "disease" is called.
Do you mean MBD? Multiple Bird Disorder.
Laurie - got it!
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| Joanne |
"Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
> news:cj9me.1656$s64.1217@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> I understand the urgency of needing a bird TODAY. We've all been there;
>> someone here even gave it a cute name. Maybe someone will remember what
>> that "disease" is called.
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> Do you mean MBD? Multiple Bird Disorder.
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> Laurie - got it!
Thanks, Laurie. That's it. Got it as well.
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Sincerely,
Joanne
If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
Play - http://www.jobird.com
Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
Garden Kinder CDs
http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
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| Wingnut |
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"Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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> "Laurie" <iamhere@home.com> wrote in message
> news:8M9me.2807$MI4.170@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> > "Joanne" <Joanne@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
> > news:cj9me.1656$s64.1217@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> I understand the urgency of needing a bird TODAY. We've all been
there;
> >> someone here even gave it a cute name. Maybe someone will remember
what
> >> that "disease" is called.
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> > Do you mean MBD? Multiple Bird Disorder.
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> > Laurie - got it!
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> Thanks, Laurie. That's it. Got it as well.
Joanne,
Managed to nip it after two...but totally understand the syndrome. What I
really wnated to say, though, is that your posts are always so reasoned and
appropriate.. It seems you don't post unless you have something inportant
to say., and you *always* add to the discussion. I admire you.
~ Michele
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> Sincerely,
> Joanne
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> If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!
>
> Play - http://www.jobird.com
> Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
> Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm
> Garden Kinder CDs
> http://www.jobird.com/cd/gardenkinderhome.html
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| AnotherBirdLover |
Joanne,
i appreciate your reply, you understand my situation more than I gave
you credit for. You've also brought up some great points about the bird
speciality store of which I was complaining about pricing.
I did not consider all those extra cost and I would still buy an adult
bird from there. In fact I've decided my next bird (who I will buy
concurrent with Kadin, once I find him/her) will be an adult bird. The
reason is, that I do know now that the babies go through change and I
want that experience, to learn from it, to provide a good home for a
bird that hasn't been able to find a place to land. When the time is
right I will start looking again, and since I'll already have one bird
at home, I will take as much time as needed in my search.
I guess some other things I didn't mention- in getting Kadin I felt
having a baby bird was a way to start fresh. Any problems that arise I
could blame myself for. I thought more thought and time should go into
an adult bird.
Also, this bird speciality store is run by some pretty amazing people.
They have an in door aviary and all their birds get time in the aviary,
they get to socialize with people and other birds of their species...
they aren't getting the individual attention they would get from a
private owner, but they are getting treated much better than what
places such as PetCo and PetSmart are able to provide.
I have an incredible amount of respect for breeders and pet store
owners who put the time in to make sure their birds as taken care of
and my next bird (and the next :) will be from them. I also feel like
there's so much to learn from them.
I'm still pretty young (28) most of the breeders and owners I talk with
are many years my senior. I know one lady who's up in years who breeds
Queen of Bavaria conures. I think what an amazing person she is fron
the conservation angle of this, and when she's gone that's one less
person who's there to help these animals,. So that's where I am at,
trying to learn now as much as I can. Get to a point where I care for a
few birds and someday I can help carry out this great responsibility I
think some of us are called to do to care for and help keep these
amazing creatures around so that they can bring joy to future
generations.
Sorry if that comes across a little trite, it's very heartfelt.
I'm glad to be a part of this newsgroup.
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| AnotherBirdLover |
The breeder did end up contacting me. She confirmed the birth date
(which was exactly what PetCo had told me) she also expressed concern
about her birds, telling me "I always hope they find good homes". I
have visited evey PetCo in the area and all the conures they stock are
from her aviary. They all seem to be in good health (very active
anyway), she was glad to hear this.
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| josephhasnobrain |
Bands arent put on a bird so you can find the breeder.
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"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If you have a band number how do you go about looking up what breeder
> that bird came from.
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| josephhasnobrain |
And do you think they will tell you who bred the bird and where they live?
Get a life.
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"Gloria Carr" <platedlizard@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1117134243.922638.38150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> If you have a band number how do you go about looking up what breeder
>> that bird came from.
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> What does the band say? Some band companies keep a public registry of
> initals on the band they sell so that you can look them up. Bands that are
> sold through clubs are registered with them.
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> Gloria
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| AnotherBirdLover |
With all due respect, that doesn't make a lot of sense. I can
understand breeders not wanting to be harassed and their a right to
privacy, but also I would imagine if one of their birds died because of
a illness it would be nice to know in case the rest of their stock may
also have the same problem. Outside of whatever terms they state to
their buyers, breeders aren't liable if one of their birds die, but
that doesn't mean they wouldn't want to know.
I found many on-line resources that helped me trace the breeder by her
mark (initals) and state ID. She wasn't upset when I contacted her.
I know a lot of breeders, breed (and keep their stock) in their homes
(probably most do), If I breed birds I would be careful who I gave my
address to also, but there are other forms of communication. An e-mail
address is probably the least invasive
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| LadyT |
josephhasnobrain wrote:
> And do you think they will tell you who bred the bird and where they live?
> Get a life.
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LMAO!!! Sorry but can't help to like this person! So very right!!
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> "Gloria Carr" <platedlizard@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>"AnotherBirdLover" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1117134243.922638.38150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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>>>If you have a band number how do you go about looking up what breeder
>>>that bird came from.
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>>What does the band say? Some band companies keep a public registry of
>>initals on the band they sell so that you can look them up. Bands that are
>>sold through clubs are registered with them.
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>>Gloria
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