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| dh_ld@nomail.com |
On 8 Mar 2005 11:22:42 -0800, "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com> wrote:
>demonmaster wrote:
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>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Rudy Canoza wrote:
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>> > An entity's coming into existence is not a benefit to that entity.
>> > This is established. You've lost - it's time to admit defeat and
>move
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>> Why is it NOT a benefit? Before it came into existance it (I am
>making an
>> assumption since nobody knows) it had no knowledge of anything, it
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>> totally un-awhere.
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>It wasn't ANYTHING: "it" did not exist.
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From: Jonathan Ball <jonball@whitehouse.not>
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Either farm animals "exist" in some kind of pre-conceived, pre-born state,
or they do not.
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>There was no "it".
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From: Rudy Canoza <someguy@ph.con>
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When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the existence we know. . .
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>A benefit is DEFINED as something that makes an entity better off than
>it was before. Another way is to say that the entity's welfare was
>improved. Prior to existing, there WAS no entity, and there WAS no
>welfare, so the entity can't be better off than before
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From: "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com>
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EVEN WITH the very best animal welfare conditions one might provide: they
STILL might not be as good as the "pre-existence" state was for the animals;
one simply cannot know.
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From: Jonathan Ball <jonball@noneofyourbusiness.com>
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I *know*
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| dh_ld@nomail.com |
On 8 Mar 2005 14:25:39 -0800, the Gonad lied:
>You believe non-existent farm animals can experience loss, deprivation,
You believe wanting farm animals not to exist is a step towards a
more just world:
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From: Rudy Canoza <someguy@ph.con>
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There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm
animals not to exist as a step towards creating a more
just world.
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| Rudy Canoza |
****wit David Harrison, stupid illiterate cracker, wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2005 11:22:42 -0800, "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>demonmaster wrote:
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>>><none>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Rudy Canoza wrote:
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>>>
>>>>An entity's coming into existence is not a benefit to that entity.
>>>>This is established. You've lost - it's time to admit defeat and
>>
>>move
>>
>>>>on.
>>>
>>>Why is it NOT a benefit? Before it came into existance it (I am
>>
>>making an
>>
>>>assumption since nobody knows) it had no knowledge of anything, it
>>
>>was
>>
>>>totally un-awhere.
>>
>>It wasn't ANYTHING: "it" did not exist.
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> From: Jonathan Ball <jonball@whitehouse.not>
> Message-ID: <gPsXb.3743$tL3.2859@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
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> Either farm animals "exist" in some kind of pre-conceived, pre-born state,
> or they do not.
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Right. I believe they don't.
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>>There was no "it".
Right.
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>>A benefit is DEFINED as something that makes an entity better off than
>>it was before. Another way is to say that the entity's welfare was
>>improved. Prior to existing, there WAS no entity, and there WAS no
>>welfare, so the entity can't be better off than before
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| Rudy Canoza |
dh_ld@nomail.com wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2005 14:25:39 -0800, the Gonad lied:
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>>You believe non-existent farm animals can experience loss, deprivation,
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> You believe wanting farm animals not to exist is a step towards a
> more just world
No, I don't. You KNOW I don't. Stop lying.
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