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| Ruth |
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Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already. Right?
Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC says.
It's there. Give it a try.
Ruth
"MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
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> Been reading this with some interest.
>
> **HOW** do you know everything is gone from the computer's hard drive?
> Yes,
> yes..I know..nothing comes up. But...has anyone reputable taken the hard
> drive out, and 'slaved' it to another computer and *looked* at the
> directory
> on the affected drive? Everything may still be there, just have to do a
> little creative recovery.
>
> Jacquie..if you so desire...and if you trust me...carefully remove the
> hard
> drive from the laptop...if the laptop is fairly new, the hard drive will
> slide right out with a minimum of effort. Then, put it in a baggie and
> then
> wrap it thoroughly in bubble wrap and mail it to me. I will look at the
> drive and if it anything is recoverable, I would be more than happy to do
> so.
>
> If this is something you wish to do, send me an email and I will give you
> the details on where to mail it.
>
> MC
>
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| Bill Leary |
"Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already. Right?
> Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
> restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC says.
> It's there. Give it a try.
If they triggered the HP restore feature, it's overwritten the directory tracks
and some percentage of the disk. That stuff is just plain gone with no chance
of recovery. On the other hand, if they did something less creative, like, say,
partition the drive it might be possible to get everything back.
As Ruth says, you've got very little to loose. Maybe the drive gets lost or
clobbered in the mail. Other than that, worst case, MC mails it back and says
"Sorry, they low level formatted it and it's really gone," and you put it back
in and pick up where you left off.
- Bill
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| Ruth |
I just know that the IBM restore disks left all my other data on my hard
drive.
If it was partitioned, I dunno. I was just grateful for the recovery. A
chance is a chance.
Ruth
"Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rTQSd.4285$Ba3.4088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already.
>> Right?
>> Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
>> restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC
>> says.
>> It's there. Give it a try.
>
> If they triggered the HP restore feature, it's overwritten the directory
> tracks
> and some percentage of the disk. That stuff is just plain gone with no
> chance
> of recovery. On the other hand, if they did something less creative,
> like, say,
> partition the drive it might be possible to get everything back.
>
> As Ruth says, you've got very little to loose. Maybe the drive gets lost
> or
> clobbered in the mail. Other than that, worst case, MC mails it back and
> says
> "Sorry, they low level formatted it and it's really gone," and you put it
> back
> in and pick up where you left off.
>
> - Bill
>
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| Bill Leary |
"Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I just know that the IBM restore disks left all my other data on my hard
> drive.
The restore feature (the HP one anyway) is designed to put the computer back
into a "factory fresh" state. It doesn't use restore disks, but rather a
reserved portion of the hard drive which is an "image" of what the system looked
like when it left the factory. When you trigger a recovery, it copies the data
from the recovery store onto the main part of the disk, thus writing over
whatever was already there. It *appeared* to do a format before it did the
restore, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure it was a low-level format.
If it was high-level, then at least some (perhaps quite a lot) of the stuff that
was added after the system was bought might be out there. Getting it back would
be difficult, since the directory tracks are overwritten by the recovery, but it
might be possible. More so if common maintainance (especially defragmentation)
had been performed regularly on the system. An interesting problem.
> If it was partitioned, I dunno.
Even easier, if that's ALL that was done. A partition operation doesn't even
clobber the (most of) the directory entries. Just sets the primary one to say
there's nothing there. All the sub-directories are still intact, just no longer
attached. An informed person with a disk editor can just turn them back on and
get everything back. I've done it a couple of times myself.
> I was just grateful for the recovery. A chance is a chance.
As you say. I agree.
- Bill
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| jumpingmouse, kylie & gilbert |
I emailed MC privately. I'll be more than happy to send the hard drive to
him if he thinks it will help, but basically I was told exactly what Bill
described - that it's back to 'new' condition and aren't I 'thrilled' to
have a brand new hard drive? Arrrgh. That would be a definite 'no'. I
think between friends who had saved pics of the kids over the past few years
and a couple of floppies of various documents I had, I probably have all the
really important stuff that I *need*. At this point I'd really just like
to get this darned thing up and running. As soon as it gets online, it
locks up - no mail, no surfing........nothing. I did a disk cleanup,
defrag, then in desperation another reformatting last night and it's still
sooo slow that it times out before a page can come up online. <sigh>
Gilbert is being particularly ornery (that's a nice word for 'bad boy')
tonight...digging the carpet in the bedroom and now emptying the litterbox,
so I guess I'd better go play :-)
thanks all for your input - I do appreciate it. MC lemme know what you
think...........
jacquie
"Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3827f9F5la6mgU1@individual.net...
>> I just know that the IBM restore disks left all my other data on my hard
>> drive.
>
> The restore feature (the HP one anyway) is designed to put the computer
> back
> into a "factory fresh" state. It doesn't use restore disks, but rather a
> reserved portion of the hard drive which is an "image" of what the system
> looked
> like when it left the factory. When you trigger a recovery, it copies the
> data
> from the recovery store onto the main part of the disk, thus writing over
> whatever was already there. It *appeared* to do a format before it did
> the
> restore, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure it was a low-level
> format.
> If it was high-level, then at least some (perhaps quite a lot) of the
> stuff that
> was added after the system was bought might be out there. Getting it back
> would
> be difficult, since the directory tracks are overwritten by the recovery,
> but it
> might be possible. More so if common maintainance (especially
> defragmentation)
> had been performed regularly on the system. An interesting problem.
>
>> If it was partitioned, I dunno.
>
> Even easier, if that's ALL that was done. A partition operation doesn't
> even
> clobber the (most of) the directory entries. Just sets the primary one to
> say
> there's nothing there. All the sub-directories are still intact, just no
> longer
> attached. An informed person with a disk editor can just turn them back
> on and
> get everything back. I've done it a couple of times myself.
>
>> I was just grateful for the recovery. A chance is a chance.
>
> As you say. I agree.
>
> - Bill
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| Jim Higgins |
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:20:23 GMT, in
<rTQSd.4285$Ba3.4088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Ruth"
<klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already. Right?
>Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
>restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC says.
>It's there. Give it a try.
>Ruth
One caveat - it's probably there if she turns off the machine,
stops using it, and acts NOW. On the chance that's it's erased,
but not overwritten, she has to act NOW. Act a week from now and
much of it could be overwritten.
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| Jason and Holly Harper |
Ok here's a stupid question. If you reformat a HD that has had RAM added
and a new video card added, how does it affect that stuff? Does the
computer just automatically recognize that stuff, and then you just have to
install drivers or what??
Holly
"Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rTQSd.4285$Ba3.4088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already.
Right?
> Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
> restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC
says.
> It's there. Give it a try.
> Ruth
> "MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
> news:cvd3sd024s@news3.newsguy.com...
> > Been reading this with some interest.
> >
> > **HOW** do you know everything is gone from the computer's hard drive?
> > Yes,
> > yes..I know..nothing comes up. But...has anyone reputable taken the
hard
> > drive out, and 'slaved' it to another computer and *looked* at the
> > directory
> > on the affected drive? Everything may still be there, just have to do a
> > little creative recovery.
> >
> > Jacquie..if you so desire...and if you trust me...carefully remove the
> > hard
> > drive from the laptop...if the laptop is fairly new, the hard drive will
> > slide right out with a minimum of effort. Then, put it in a baggie and
> > then
> > wrap it thoroughly in bubble wrap and mail it to me. I will look at the
> > drive and if it anything is recoverable, I would be more than happy to
do
> > so.
> >
> > If this is something you wish to do, send me an email and I will give
you
> > the details on where to mail it.
> >
> > MC
> >
>
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| Brian S. |
Yes depending on the operating system. Xp recognized all my new stuff after
i reformatted. Matter of fact XP had all the drivers for my new components.
brian s.
"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
news:uSaTd.1414$Sd.375393@newshog.newsread.com...
> Ok here's a stupid question. If you reformat a HD that has had RAM added
> and a new video card added, how does it affect that stuff? Does the
> computer just automatically recognize that stuff, and then you just have
> to
> install drivers or what??
>
> Holly
>
> "Ruth" <klutzyruth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rTQSd.4285$Ba3.4088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Jacquie, do it. What do you have to lose. Everything is gone already.
> Right?
>> Wrong. I had a hard drive recovered by a friend of mine. I did a full
>> restore and said something to him about lost files and he said what MC
> says.
>> It's there. Give it a try.
>> Ruth
>> "MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
>> news:cvd3sd024s@news3.newsguy.com...
>> > Been reading this with some interest.
>> >
>> > **HOW** do you know everything is gone from the computer's hard drive?
>> > Yes,
>> > yes..I know..nothing comes up. But...has anyone reputable taken the
> hard
>> > drive out, and 'slaved' it to another computer and *looked* at the
>> > directory
>> > on the affected drive? Everything may still be there, just have to do
>> > a
>> > little creative recovery.
>> >
>> > Jacquie..if you so desire...and if you trust me...carefully remove the
>> > hard
>> > drive from the laptop...if the laptop is fairly new, the hard drive
>> > will
>> > slide right out with a minimum of effort. Then, put it in a baggie and
>> > then
>> > wrap it thoroughly in bubble wrap and mail it to me. I will look at
>> > the
>> > drive and if it anything is recoverable, I would be more than happy to
> do
>> > so.
>> >
>> > If this is something you wish to do, send me an email and I will give
> you
>> > the details on where to mail it.
>> >
>> > MC
>> >
>>
>>
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| MC |
Holly, you are getting several things mixed up. The HD (Hard Drive) is a
storage device that goes *inside* the computer case, what you are calling
the HD. No hardware you install inside the case, onto the motherboard, will
affect what is stored on a hard drive, directly.
Indirectly, the installation of a new video card will require the
installation of new software drivers, that will be stored on the hard drive.
If you reformat the hard drive, those drivers will be gone, but nothing will
happen to the video card.
MC
"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
news:uSaTd.1414$Sd.375393@newshog.newsread.com...
> Ok here's a stupid question. If you reformat a HD that has had RAM added
> and a new video card added, how does it affect that stuff? Does the
> computer just automatically recognize that stuff, and then you just have
to
> install drivers or what??
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| Jason and Holly Harper |
MC,
I think I just kind of worded that wrong. ;-) I knew that the RAM and
video card would still physically be there, but I wasn't sure if by
reformating that the pc would still recognize that those things were still
there. Did that even make sense? lol I'm not even sure anymore! I guess
I was worried more about the drivers essentially. So basically if I
reformat, do I even need to run my Nvidia software? Or can I just go to
their website and download the latest driver? Hey I warned you I had stupid
questions!! ;-)
Thanks!
Holly
"MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
news:cvkdkc0v89@news3.newsguy.com...
> Holly, you are getting several things mixed up. The HD (Hard Drive) is a
> storage device that goes *inside* the computer case, what you are calling
> the HD. No hardware you install inside the case, onto the motherboard,
will
> affect what is stored on a hard drive, directly.
>
> Indirectly, the installation of a new video card will require the
> installation of new software drivers, that will be stored on the hard
drive.
> If you reformat the hard drive, those drivers will be gone, but nothing
will
> happen to the video card.
>
> MC
>
> "Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
> news:uSaTd.1414$Sd.375393@newshog.newsread.com...
> > Ok here's a stupid question. If you reformat a HD that has had RAM
added
> > and a new video card added, how does it affect that stuff? Does the
> > computer just automatically recognize that stuff, and then you just have
> to
> > install drivers or what??
>
>
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| MC |
You will need to reload an nVidia driver...the best thing to do is go
download the latest...it is an all in 1 driver, that is, 1 file, covers all
their video cards....XP will probably not pick up the card and will call it
a standard VGA..even if it does recognize the nVidia chipset on the card,
run the latest driver update, just to be confident the card will be 100%.
"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
news:QrvTd.1462$Sd.388413@newshog.newsread.com...
> MC,
> So basically if I
> reformat, do I even need to run my Nvidia software? Or can I just go to
> their website and download the latest driver? Hey I warned you I had
stupid
> questions!! ;-)
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But once I have the driver from nVidia XP will recognize it then, right?
Holly
"MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
news:cvnh9f0juh@news2.newsguy.com...
> You will need to reload an nVidia driver...the best thing to do is go
> download the latest...it is an all in 1 driver, that is, 1 file, covers
all
> their video cards....XP will probably not pick up the card and will call
it
> a standard VGA..even if it does recognize the nVidia chipset on the card,
> run the latest driver update, just to be confident the card will be 100%.
>
> "Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
> news:QrvTd.1462$Sd.388413@newshog.newsread.com...
> > MC,
> > So basically if I
> > reformat, do I even need to run my Nvidia software? Or can I just go to
> > their website and download the latest driver? Hey I warned you I had
> stupid
> > questions!! ;-)
>
>
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YOU BET!!
"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
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> But once I have the driver from nVidia XP will recognize it then, right?
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| Jason and Holly Harper |
Thank you much!!! Soooo....the other question is, when do you know if it's
a good idea to just go ahead and reformat?
Holly
"MC" <MC@ProgressiveSystemsInc.org> wrote in message
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> YOU BET!!
>
> "Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
> news:d%KTd.3833$h06.565833@monger.newsread.com...
> > But once I have the driver from nVidia XP will recognize it then, right?
>
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