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| Jennifer Bieber |
Hi everyone-
I'm brand new to this group so please forgive me if I'm asking old
questions.
I'm somewhat of a newbie with birds. I had a couple parakeets as a
kid. Currently I'm owned a sun conure and an alexandrine. Both birds
live in a semi-outdoor atrium and come in the house when we're home.
Up until now that's been fine, but it's starting to get cold (I live
in Scottsdale, Arizona so cold is a relative term). The temperature
has been getting as low as 38 F. Right now the birds are in the house
(due to getting the atrium latilla roof replaced), but the roof is all
done now and the birds are anxious to get back outside (they love it
out there). I'm concerned that it's going to be too cold for them,
especially at night. I'd like to get some type of space heater to
keep it a little warmer, but I've read things that say some heaters
are dangerous. I'm hoping that someone could give me some advice on
what type to buy.
Also I'm wondering if it's safe to burn duraflame logs while the birds
are in the house (or fires in general). They like to sit in the
family room with us at night and the fireplace is right in the family
room.
Thanks-
Jennifer
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| John Hines |
jenniferbieber@hotmail.com (Jennifer Bieber) wrote:
>especially at night. I'd like to get some type of space heater to
>keep it a little warmer, but I've read things that say some heaters
>are dangerous. I'm hoping that someone could give me some advice on
>what type to buy.
Can't go wrong with an electric, as long as you take care.
Kerosene or other oil can burn dirty, and smelly, and my produce CO if
malfunctioning.
Non-vent propane can produce CO, and will produce humidity.
If you have any kind of flame appliance, a CO detector is a _really_
good idea, otherwise your birds will do that job for you, by croaking
before you do.
A log (dura flame or otherwise) will require a fixture to burn in, and
is thus depends on its installation.
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| Toucanldy |
>From: jenniferbieber@hotmail.com (Jennifer Bieber)
>I'm somewhat of a newbie with birds. I had a couple parakeets as a
>kid. Currently I'm owned a sun conure and an alexandrine. Both birds
>live in a semi-outdoor atrium and come in the house when we're home.
>Up until now that's been fine, but it's starting to get cold (I live
>in Scottsdale, Arizona so cold is a relative term). The temperature
>has been getting as low as 38 F. Right now the birds are in the house
>(due to getting the atrium latilla roof replaced), but the roof is all
>done now and the birds are anxious to get back outside (they love it
>out there). I'm concerned that it's going to be too cold for them,
>especially at night. I'd like to get some type of space heater to
>keep it a little warmer, but I've read things that say some heaters
>are dangerous. I'm hoping that someone could give me some advice on
>what type to buy.
Here is a site that may be of some help.
http://www.avitec.com/PearlcoN.html
Regards
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| Digital_Cowboy |
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| Hi everyone-
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| I'm brand new to this group so please forgive me if I'm asking old questions.
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| I'm somewhat of a newbie with birds. I had a couple parakeets as a kid.
| Currently I'm owned a sun conure and an alexandrine. Both birds live in a
| semi-outdoor atrium and come in the house when we're home. Up until now
| that's been fine, but it's starting to get cold (I live in Scottsdale,
| Arizona so cold is a relative term). The temperature has been getting as low
| as 38 F. Right now the birds are in the house (due to getting the atrium
| latilla roof replaced), but the roof is all done now and the birds are
| anxious to get back outside (they love it out there). I'm concerned that
| it's going to be too cold for them, especially at night. I'd like to get
| some type of space heater to keep it a little warmer, but I've read things
| that say some heaters are dangerous. I'm hoping that someone could give me
| some advice on what type to buy.
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| Also I'm wondering if it's safe to burn duraflame logs while the birds are in
| the house (or fires in general). They like to sit in the family room with us
| at night and the fireplace is right in the family room.
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| Thanks-
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| Jennifer
Jennifer,
I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements aren't
coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater. I also
would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as making sure
that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary heating that
you use in your bird room/aviary.
DC
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| oldmolly |
"Jennifer Bieber" <jenniferbieber@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone-
>
> I'm brand new to this group so please forgive me if I'm asking old
> questions.
>
> I'm somewhat of a newbie with birds. I had a couple parakeets as a
> kid. Currently I'm owned a sun conure and an alexandrine. Both birds
> live in a semi-outdoor atrium and come in the house when we're home.
> Up until now that's been fine, but it's starting to get cold (I live
> in Scottsdale, Arizona so cold is a relative term). The temperature
> has been getting as low as 38 F. Right now the birds are in the house
> (due to getting the atrium latilla roof replaced), but the roof is all
> done now and the birds are anxious to get back outside (they love it
> out there). I'm concerned that it's going to be too cold for them,
> especially at night. I'd like to get some type of space heater to
> keep it a little warmer, but I've read things that say some heaters
> are dangerous. I'm hoping that someone could give me some advice on
> what type to buy.
>
> Also I'm wondering if it's safe to burn duraflame logs while the birds
> are in the house (or fires in general). They like to sit in the
> family room with us at night and the fireplace is right in the family
> room.
My feelings are that the birds will acclimatise to being outside as long as
they stay outside. You cannot have them indoors in the warm one minute, then
outside in the cold the next without them suffering. Can you get oil filled
electric radiators over there, as this is a safe way to heat their space.
Otherwise, have them indoors all the time in winter.
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| sidhebat |
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<snip question about Duraflame logs and space heaters>
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> Jennifer,
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> I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements
aren't
> coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater. I
also
> would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as making
sure
> that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary heating
that
> you use in your bird room/aviary.
According to the Holmes Products website
(http://www.holmesproducts.com/suppo...heaterfaqs.html),
none of their heaters currently have Teflon or T-fal that can be harmful to
pets. I've
been using a little Holmes ceramic space heater from Target (about $15) that
kicks
out a bunch of heat, and my feathered demon is fine.
- sidhebat
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| John Hines |
"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
> I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements aren't
>coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater. I also
>would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as making sure
>that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary heating that
>you use in your bird room/aviary.
Why in the hell would a space heater need non-stick surfaces on its
heating elements? Nichrome wire doesn't rust.
What gets cooked on the coils of a space heater?
A bit too much Teflon paranoia here.
Crank a new heater up away from the birds, to let oils and solvents
outgass somewhere else, but then it will be fine.
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| John Hines |
jenniferbieber@hotmail.com (Jennifer Bieber) wrote:
>out there). I'm concerned that it's going to be too cold for them,
>especially at night. I'd like to get some type of space heater to
>keep it a little warmer, but I've read things that say some heaters
>are dangerous.
Another thought, how about a heat lamp? like the kind they put in a
bathroom to make it feel warm.
Shine this in an area the birds can get to, and perch. Let them decide
when they need to warm up, and when they don't, by moving around.
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| Mamabird |
"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
> > I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements
aren't
> >coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater.
I also
> >would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as
making sure
> >that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary
heating that
> >you use in your bird room/aviary.
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> Why in the hell would a space heater need non-stick surfaces on its
> heating elements? Nichrome wire doesn't rust.
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> What gets cooked on the coils of a space heater?
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> A bit too much Teflon paranoia here.
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> Crank a new heater up away from the birds, to let oils and solvents
> outgass somewhere else, but then it will be fine.
Exactly! New space heaters do have a coating on the elements (not teflon!).
I remember reading this in the owner's manual for a new heater I bought a
few years ago. It said there would be a slight odor for a few minutes while
this coating burned off, so I called the manufacturer and although they
didn't think it would hurt the birds, they recommended running the heater
for an hour or so in a place away from the birds just to be sure, which I
always do with a new heater.
On cold nights I run two electric space heaters in the birds' room with no
problems. Tonight is going to be one of those nights. :)
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| "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
| > I'd check the owners manual to make sure that the heating elements aren't
| >coated with Teflon. IF it has Teflon, then I'd look for a new heater. I
also
| >would not keep the heater too close to the bird cages. As well as making
sure
| >that the room is well ventilated no matter what form of auxiliary heating
that
| >you use in your bird room/aviary.
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| Why in the hell would a space heater need non-stick surfaces on its
| heating elements? Nichrome wire doesn't rust.
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| What gets cooked on the coils of a space heater?
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| A bit too much Teflon paranoia here.
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| Crank a new heater up away from the birds, to let oils and solvents
| outgass somewhere else, but then it will be fine.
John,
The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon in
their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
So the danger of Teflon showing up in area/places that people hadn't
considered in the past. And for more information on the topic feel free to
check out the search results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...nd+%22Pet+Birds
%22
DC
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| John Hines |
"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
>John,
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> The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
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>Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon in
>their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
>stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
>off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
>fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
>reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
>increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
How about an actual example of a space heater with Teflon coated coils?
Griddles, yes. Hair dryers, no. Lamps unlikely. Yes to things that need
to be cleaned, there is value in that. They don't add costs to their
products with out reason.
With a little care, one can select Teflon free alternatives.
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| "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
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| >John,
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| > The following comes from: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww17e.htm
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| >Teflon Heaters and Appliances - More and more manufacturers are using teflon
in their appliances. These include heaters, lamps, teflon coated bulbs, irons,
stove top burners, griddles, hair dryers, etc. When teflon is heated it gives
off poisonous fumes which can quickly kill. Recent reports indicate that teflon
fumes are generated at temperatures as low as 285 degrees. There have also been
reports that using multiple appliances at the same time is additive and
increases the amount of teflon fumes in the air.
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| How about an actual example of a space heater with Teflon coated coils?
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| Griddles, yes. Hair dryers, no. Lamps unlikely. Yes to things that need to be
cleaned, there is value in that. They don't add costs to their products with
out reason.
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| With a little care, one can select Teflon free alternatives.
John,
I suggest that you do a Google search on Teflon and hair dryers, space
heaters, etc.
You'll be surprised at how many items these days are being manufactored with
Tefol coating. Here is a link to one document:
http://ceer.alfred.edu/Research/hydrickreport.doc and below is a snippet from
said document:
Introduction
The project was intended to study the effect of coating heating elements with
either Teflon or a silicone-based sealant and then immersing the elements in
water. By using Teflon, a relatively heat-conductive material that is also
electrically insulative the objective of placing a heating element into
virtually direct contact with the medium that it is intended to heat is
achieved. Because of the nature of Teflon, cylindrical element geometry is
optimum and allows the most even and consistent coating. The project intended
to investigate two possible element geometries. Standard heating-coil resistor
wire as would be used in a commercial hair dryer was considered, as was the
possibility of producing a ceramic heating element here at Alfred. The ceramic
element composition chosen for this project was a basic whiteware-style ceramic
body with carbon black added to moderate/control resistivity. The geometry for
this element would be limited to a rectangular solid by the equipment available
to press the powders into a form that could be handled and fired.
DC
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