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| Clashwithreality |
Hi all!
Having read a couple of threads re: Magpies etc in usa and Australia,
I was wondering if anyone can give me any sites to look at or places
to go, and the legal implications, on getting and keeping (in a loose
sense) a bird. A magpie preferably, in the UK.
My boyfriend imprinted a young (barely feathered!) Magpie when he was
at school and he gained such a rapport with this bird that it not only
used to preen him, but it also responded to people according to his
feelings about them! It was let loose (outside the house) shortly
after it was taught to preen and fly properly, but appears to have
brought a family back... This is at his mothers house, however, and
Simon would Love to try and regain the same feeling with another bird.
We have re-habilitated a young Crow and a young Jackdaw in the last
couple of years, but they were to old to imprint and were released
close to where they were found (in strange rescue situations I'm
telling you, but thats for another thread!) and also attempted
re-habbing another crow which unfortunately had to be put to sleep by
the RSPCA as it was too badly injured and too old to live, I picked it
up after seeing it hit by a car.
So yeah, if anyone can help with this, maybe rescue centres who
sometimes re-home unreleasable birds (you know, blind in one eye,
one-legged etc!) or even people who breed birds for pets, and any
legal details for the UK, please, do, let me know!
My own personal email is christini8@aol.com or leave a message here
Thank you!
Clashwithreality
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| oldmolly |
"Clashwithreality" <clashwivreality@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all!
>
> Having read a couple of threads re: Magpies etc in usa and Australia,
> I was wondering if anyone can give me any sites to look at or places
> to go, and the legal implications, on getting and keeping (in a loose
> sense) a bird. A magpie preferably, in the UK.
>
> My boyfriend imprinted a young (barely feathered!) Magpie when he was
> at school and he gained such a rapport with this bird that it not only
> used to preen him, but it also responded to people according to his
> feelings about them! It was let loose (outside the house) shortly
> after it was taught to preen and fly properly, but appears to have
> brought a family back... This is at his mothers house, however, and
> Simon would Love to try and regain the same feeling with another bird.
> We have re-habilitated a young Crow and a young Jackdaw in the last
> couple of years, but they were to old to imprint and were released
> close to where they were found (in strange rescue situations I'm
> telling you, but thats for another thread!) and also attempted
> re-habbing another crow which unfortunately had to be put to sleep by
> the RSPCA as it was too badly injured and too old to live, I picked it
> up after seeing it hit by a car.
>
> So yeah, if anyone can help with this, maybe rescue centres who
> sometimes re-home unreleasable birds (you know, blind in one eye,
> one-legged etc!) or even people who breed birds for pets, and any
> legal details for the UK, please, do, let me know!
>
> My own personal email is christini8@aol.com or leave a message here
>
There are people who breed british birds over here. You might be able to
find them by buying a copy of cage and aviary birds. I know this weeks one
had a huge article about magpies in it.
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| Laurie |
"NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Getting wild baby birds, taming them, and then releasing them is
disgusting.
> Do you realize that you are putting their lives at risk?
I got the idea from her post that she was looking for a crow for a pet.
Laurie
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| NaDeana |
I am a rehabber! I rehab birds and mammals, and release them. But I do
**not** let them imprint on me, as the OP said. That is my point. See part
of her post below....
"My boyfriend imprinted a young (barely feathered!) Magpie when he was
at school and he gained such a rapport with this bird that it not only
used to preen him, but it also responded to people according to his
feelings about them! It was let loose (outside the house) shortly
after it was taught to preen and fly properly, but appears to have
brought a family back... "
This is what I am talking about. Birds that are imprinted to people have a
very low survival rate, they are unable to recognize their own species in
many cases and are at risk at being harmed by uncaring people when they
start approaching people for food. It is against everything that rehabbers
stand for.
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1064174446.509526@yasure...
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:a6jbb.1099$%G1.925@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Pgabb.195514$la.3890639@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > > Yes, but read it all. She says that she has raised wild birds, tamed
> them
> > > and then released them.
> >
> > I was under the impression that she took in rescued wild birds, reared
> them
> > and then released them. This is possible as long as you provide food for
> the
> > bird which often reverts quickly.
> >
>
> That's the way I took it too. Went back and read it again to make sure,
and
> it "looks" to me like that's what she meant. That is the whole point of
> "rehabbing" a wild bird isn't it? Trying to get them to be able to get
> better, then return to the wild. If you make them totally dependent on
> humans to be fed then of course they would be in trouble, but as long as
> they were just given a helping hand, and were still feeding themselves it
> seems like it would be fine. Even if a wild bird got tame enough to let
the
> human handle it I would think they would not just go to any human who
might
> do them harm. I know my pet birds if they were allowed freedom would not.
> They certainly know the difference between me and some other humans. I
feed
> wild Crows, and there are several of them that definitely know me. They
come
> down for a hand out when they see me come or go. I "think" or at least I
> hope you took her the wrong way.
> --
> "Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!"
>
>
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| oldmolly |
"NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Z9rbb.1011531$3C2.22559369@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> I am a rehabber! I rehab birds and mammals, and release them. But I do
> **not** let them imprint on me, as the OP said. That is my point. See part
> of her post below....
>
> "My boyfriend imprinted a young (barely feathered!) Magpie when he was
> at school and he gained such a rapport with this bird that it not only
> used to preen him, but it also responded to people according to his
> feelings about them! It was let loose (outside the house) shortly
> after it was taught to preen and fly properly, but appears to have
> brought a family back... "
>
> This is what I am talking about. Birds that are imprinted to people have a
> very low survival rate, they are unable to recognize their own species in
> many cases and are at risk at being harmed by uncaring people when they
> start approaching people for food. It is against everything that rehabbers
> stand for.
I have to say that I can see your point but from personaly experience and
knowing others, I think you are wrong. The bird was let loose not to survive
on its own, but as a free flying pet. I had such a pet jackdaw. Historically
in this country people have taken corvids from the nest and reared them and
kept them as free flying pets. I can and does work well.I knew someone with
a pet tame free flying blackbird, my own great grandfather had a pet rook.
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "oldmolly" oldmolly1@ntlworld.com
The bird was let loose not to survive
>on its own, but as a free flying pet.
A friend of mine has a fee flying European starling. It was hand raised by
someone else, then given to my friend, who does not cage her birds. The
starling got out of the aviary one day, then came back. Now he goes in and out,
sometimes staying away for days, other times, he will not venture near the
door.
Regards
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| Clashwithreality |
Firstly, It wasnt me, it was my boyfriend :-)
Secondly, as the bird was dying, Simon did it a favour what with
teaching it to preen, fly, and feed itself. He was around four hours
or so old when he was found... Simon was hardly trying to hurt it!
The bird was, unfortunately, released by Simons mother. An accident as
she was cleaning his room and he wasnt there at the time. opened the
window, away Seth went. All we do know is that a magpie colony
appeared about a year later where there hadnt been one before, in
trees at the end of the garden. Could be a coincidence, could be Seth,
who knows?
The point is, Simon was very attatched to the bird and would love
another as a companion, (not a pet! no cages here! just a place of its
own, and a place at Simon's side/on him ;-) ) which was his intention
with Seth Mk1. I think I mentioned this in my first post... So, if any
of you have any constructive help on this, please post it! thank you!
Oh, and thank you to those who stood up for me against judgemental
people who dont read properly ;-)
Cheers!
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| Ray |
"Clashwithreality" <clashwivreality@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9e65876a.0309220733.73c3f050@posting.google.com...
> Firstly, It wasnt me, it was my boyfriend :-)
>
> Secondly, as the bird was dying, Simon did it a favour what with
> teaching it to preen, fly, and feed itself. He was around four hours
> or so old when he was found... Simon was hardly trying to hurt it!
>
> The bird was, unfortunately, released by Simons mother. An accident as
> she was cleaning his room and he wasnt there at the time. opened the
> window, away Seth went. All we do know is that a magpie colony
> appeared about a year later where there hadnt been one before, in
> trees at the end of the garden. Could be a coincidence, could be Seth,
> who knows?
>
> The point is, Simon was very attatched to the bird and would love
> another as a companion, (not a pet! no cages here! just a place of its
> own, and a place at Simon's side/on him ;-) ) which was his intention
> with Seth Mk1. I think I mentioned this in my first post... So, if any
> of you have any constructive help on this, please post it! thank you!
>
> Oh, and thank you to those who stood up for me against judgemental
> people who dont read properly ;-)
>
> Cheers!
Unless you can buy a handreared closed rung youngster you might have to wait
until next year.
Its perfectly legal to take a youngster from the nest in the UK as long as
you own the land or you have the landowners permission to take the bird.
Ray
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| NaDeana |
You have a lot to learn. For the sake of wild animals, let's just hope you
don't make a habit out of "saving" wildlife.
"Clashwithreality" <clashwivreality@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9e65876a.0309220733.73c3f050@posting.google.com...
> Firstly, It wasnt me, it was my boyfriend :-)
>
> Secondly, as the bird was dying, Simon did it a favour what with
> teaching it to preen, fly, and feed itself. He was around four hours
> or so old when he was found... Simon was hardly trying to hurt it!
>
> The bird was, unfortunately, released by Simons mother. An accident as
> she was cleaning his room and he wasnt there at the time. opened the
> window, away Seth went. All we do know is that a magpie colony
> appeared about a year later where there hadnt been one before, in
> trees at the end of the garden. Could be a coincidence, could be Seth,
> who knows?
>
> The point is, Simon was very attatched to the bird and would love
> another as a companion, (not a pet! no cages here! just a place of its
> own, and a place at Simon's side/on him ;-) ) which was his intention
> with Seth Mk1. I think I mentioned this in my first post... So, if any
> of you have any constructive help on this, please post it! thank you!
>
> Oh, and thank you to those who stood up for me against judgemental
> people who dont read properly ;-)
>
> Cheers!
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| NaDeana |
Entirely different than what I was talking about. A free flying pet? Oh
well, I guess I just see wild birds as wild birds and just leave them be.
When we get in a baby crow, starling, hawk, eagle ect... he/she gets fed,
cleaned, medicated (if needed) and as soon as it fledges, outside to a
flight pen it goes. No talking to it, no petting, nothing and only contact
with it when you need to do any of the above chores. When they can fly and
are a good weight, off they go. And trust me, they do NOT like humans at
all.
Haven't we messed enough with nature and animals? We have an epidemic of
unwanted birds here in North America already and now people are starting in
on taming starlings and crows. Hummmm, I wonder if they feather pluck??
I just don't see the need to remove more animals from the wild when we have
enough already domesticated. To be honest, if I had a wish than I would make
it so that my tiels were wild and independent and were able to be released
back into the bush. But alas, that will never happen so I try to make their
lives in capitivity as "free" as I can. I love them with all my heart but in
my heart, birds should have never been tamed. Just my thoughts.
"oldmolly" <oldmolly1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Z9rbb.1011531$3C2.22559369@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > I am a rehabber! I rehab birds and mammals, and release them. But I do
> > **not** let them imprint on me, as the OP said. That is my point. See
part
> > of her post below....
> >
> > "My boyfriend imprinted a young (barely feathered!) Magpie when he was
> > at school and he gained such a rapport with this bird that it not only
> > used to preen him, but it also responded to people according to his
> > feelings about them! It was let loose (outside the house) shortly
> > after it was taught to preen and fly properly, but appears to have
> > brought a family back... "
> >
> > This is what I am talking about. Birds that are imprinted to people have
a
> > very low survival rate, they are unable to recognize their own species
in
> > many cases and are at risk at being harmed by uncaring people when they
> > start approaching people for food. It is against everything that
rehabbers
> > stand for.
> I have to say that I can see your point but from personaly experience and
> knowing others, I think you are wrong. The bird was let loose not to
survive
> on its own, but as a free flying pet. I had such a pet jackdaw.
Historically
> in this country people have taken corvids from the nest and reared them
and
> kept them as free flying pets. I can and does work well.I knew someone
with
> a pet tame free flying blackbird, my own great grandfather had a pet rook.
>
>
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| Alex Clayton |
"NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:9RJbb.1018957$3C2.22684219@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Entirely different than what I was talking about. A free flying pet? Oh
> well, I guess I just see wild birds as wild birds and just leave them be.
> When we get in a baby crow, starling, hawk, eagle ect... he/she gets fed,
> cleaned, medicated (if needed) and as soon as it fledges, outside to a
> flight pen it goes. No talking to it, no petting, nothing and only contact
> with it when you need to do any of the above chores. When they can fly and
> are a good weight, off they go. And trust me, they do NOT like humans at
> all.
>
> Haven't we messed enough with nature and animals? We have an epidemic of
> unwanted birds here in North America already and now people are starting
in
> on taming starlings and crows. Hummmm, I wonder if they feather pluck??
>
> I just don't see the need to remove more animals from the wild when we
have
> enough already domesticated. To be honest, if I had a wish than I would
make
> it so that my tiels were wild and independent and were able to be released
> back into the bush. But alas, that will never happen so I try to make
their
> lives in capitivity as "free" as I can. I love them with all my heart but
in
> my heart, birds should have never been tamed. Just my thoughts.
>
>
While I can understand your passion about this, and applaud your hard work,
I think your on the wrong track here. When talking about Starlings, and
Corvids, we are talking about birds widely considered "pests" and in many
cases, like where I live, they are mass killed legally. When I retire the
idea of raising some Starlings sounds like it could be fun. I feed them
here, but they are considered pests, and are mass trapped and poisoned to
thin the numbers out.
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| NaDeana |
Well, at our rehab center, we save and release everything. Starlings,
pigeons (oh baby pigeons are so cute!) crows you name it. It is not the
animal's fault that they are here. Most people actually think that we should
kill every gull that we get in as well because they think that they are
"pests". If you want to raise crows and starlings Alex I don't doubt that
they would have wonderful lives. But everything starts somewhere, next think
you know we'll have seagulls living in our bath tubs. :)
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1064268481.485385@yasure...
> "NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:9RJbb.1018957$3C2.22684219@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > Entirely different than what I was talking about. A free flying pet? Oh
> > well, I guess I just see wild birds as wild birds and just leave them
be.
> > When we get in a baby crow, starling, hawk, eagle ect... he/she gets
fed,
> > cleaned, medicated (if needed) and as soon as it fledges, outside to a
> > flight pen it goes. No talking to it, no petting, nothing and only
contact
> > with it when you need to do any of the above chores. When they can fly
and
> > are a good weight, off they go. And trust me, they do NOT like humans at
> > all.
> >
> > Haven't we messed enough with nature and animals? We have an epidemic of
> > unwanted birds here in North America already and now people are starting
> in
> > on taming starlings and crows. Hummmm, I wonder if they feather pluck??
> >
> > I just don't see the need to remove more animals from the wild when we
> have
> > enough already domesticated. To be honest, if I had a wish than I would
> make
> > it so that my tiels were wild and independent and were able to be
released
> > back into the bush. But alas, that will never happen so I try to make
> their
> > lives in capitivity as "free" as I can. I love them with all my heart
but
> in
> > my heart, birds should have never been tamed. Just my thoughts.
> >
> >
>
> While I can understand your passion about this, and applaud your hard
work,
> I think your on the wrong track here. When talking about Starlings, and
> Corvids, we are talking about birds widely considered "pests" and in many
> cases, like where I live, they are mass killed legally. When I retire the
> idea of raising some Starlings sounds like it could be fun. I feed them
> here, but they are considered pests, and are mass trapped and poisoned to
> thin the numbers out.
>
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| Clashwithreality |
Thank you for the help...
Our British laws are funny old things arent they? The whole, anything
on the land belongs to you thing! personally, I believe that birds
should never be taken from the nest unless the parents are dead (and
no, you shouldnt kill em as a part of the loophole!)
however, I am mainly interested in finding anyone who has or breeds
Magpies really... Although I would prefer a native breed if I can...
Unlike this american thing where only non-natives can be kept! damn,
have hey never heard of Cane-toads?
So yeah, if anyone can help me out with that, otherwise I gotta keep
going for walks along motorways and countryside and stuff and see if I
stumble across a young bird fallen from the nest... next season of
course!
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| Alex Clayton |
"NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:TuKbb.1012432$ro6.19743459@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Well, at our rehab center, we save and release everything. Starlings,
> pigeons (oh baby pigeons are so cute!) crows you name it. It is not the
> animal's fault that they are here. Most people actually think that we
should
> kill every gull that we get in as well because they think that they are
> "pests". If you want to raise crows and starlings Alex I don't doubt that
> they would have wonderful lives. But everything starts somewhere, next
think
> you know we'll have seagulls living in our bath tubs. :)
>
LOL, I don't know about that, but we do have a pair of Mallards that stop
here every year. I put up a kids swimming pool for them, and stock it with
feeder gold fish. They love it. They also love Charlie's Zupreem pellets.
The local seagull population will occasionally show up when I toss out stale
bread. If they spot it the come down and run off the small birds and eat it
all. Charlie is never quite sure what to make of those white birds that are
bigger than he is. <G>
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| Loren Coe |
In article <I3ybb.4620$Ne.2400135@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>, Ray wrote:
>
> "NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Z9rbb.1011531$3C2.22559369@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
>> I am a rehabber! I rehab birds and mammals, and release them. But I do
>> **not** let them imprint on me, as the OP said. That is my point. See part
....>>
>> Hand reared Magpies and Crows are usually fearless of people when released
> back into the wild. I have heard many stories of birds having to be
> destroyed because they attacked people. Most of the time it was an imprinted
> bird trying to land on someone! > Ray > >
many ladies have some phobia about birds, but an uninvited crow flaring out
for a sholder landing would scare the bejesus out of anyone. after a few
failed attempts, he might decide that it was fun to watch the poor sap. --Loren
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| Loren Coe |
In article <1064277352.153684@yasure>, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:TuKbb.1012432$ro6.19743459@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
>> Well, at our rehab center, we save and release everything. Starlings,
>> pigeons (oh baby pigeons are so cute!) crows you name it. It is not the
[...]
>> they would have wonderful lives. But everything starts somewhere, next > think
>> you know we'll have seagulls living in our bath tubs. :)
>>
>
> LOL, I don't know about that, but we do have a pair of Mallards that stop
> here every year. I put up a kids swimming pool for them, and stock it with
are they migratory? how long do they stay?
> feeder gold fish. They love it. They also love Charlie's Zupreem pellets.
> The local seagull population will occasionally show up when I toss out stale
> bread. If they spot it the come down and run off the small birds and eat it
> all. Charlie is never quite sure what to make of those white birds that are
> bigger than he is. <G> > >
that is a great story. thanks! --Loren
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| oldmolly |
"Clashwithreality" <clashwivreality@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you for the help...
>
> Our British laws are funny old things arent they? The whole, anything
> on the land belongs to you thing! personally, I believe that birds
> should never be taken from the nest unless the parents are dead (and
> no, you shouldnt kill em as a part of the loophole!)
>
> however, I am mainly interested in finding anyone who has or breeds
> Magpies really... Although I would prefer a native breed if I can...
> Unlike this american thing where only non-natives can be kept! damn,
> have hey never heard of Cane-toads?
>
> So yeah, if anyone can help me out with that, otherwise I gotta keep
> going for walks along motorways and countryside and stuff and see if I
> stumble across a young bird fallen from the nest... next season of
> course!
So what was wrong with my advice to get last weeks cage and aviary birds
and contact some breeders?
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