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| NaDeana |
The seed mix that you mention sounds good, but do not forget grit and oyster
shell. Doves do not take the shell off the seeds and rely on the gizzard +
grit to do the job. Try them with grated apple and some berries, like the
unsweetened frozen kind in the supermarket. Oyster shell for calcium. Make
sure to give plenty of fresh water! Doves drink 40% of their body weight in
water a day.
"outsidetheline" <wonder_boi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> hi everyone!!
>
> i've just adopted 4 ringtail doves from my dad's friend, because a
> neighbor of there's was just getting annoyed by there "cooing".
>
> he gave us no instructions on how to care for them (trusting us only
> that they live and see the daylight). No fear. I searched them up on
> google and Dove websites and found abundant information.
>
> I have trouble finding them food since there are no local petstores
> pertaining to Doves, except the pet chain stores offering already
> pre-packaged Dove mix. I've read a couple of threads that stated wild
> bird seed/canary/green vegies would be good. I tried giving them
> brocolli today and they loved it (maybe next time i ought to cut it
> more finely). Would "Kaytee Supreme Daily Blend Dove Food" be good for
> my RINGTAIL DOVES?? They cost $2.99 at PETCO.com online, and it seems
> reasonable. I'd pay anything (that my birthday money would allow) in
> order that they have a good diet... well, here's the ingredients in it
> found at www.petco.com.. please respond and thanks taking the time to
> read a fellow *NEW* dove friend.
>
>
>
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> Kaytee Supreme Daily Blend Dove Food
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> Description
> Doves have special nutritional needs. Kaytee Supreme Dove Food offers
> the high-quality nutritious ingredients in a mix that doves and
> pigeons love. Best of all, the clean, wholesome ingredients and
> specially designed supplement provide the proteins, oils, and other
> nutrients that doves require to grow strong and stay healthy.
>
> Technical Information
> Feeding Instructions: The following feeding amount is designed as a
> starting point and should be adjusted for your dove or pigeon. The
> portion is for one animal. Adjust if more animals are fed.
> Suggested Daily Feeding Amount: 1/4 cup.
> Always provide plenty of clean, fresh water. Best results are obtained
> by feeding only the amount the dove will consume in one day, then
> discarding the uneaten portion and replacing it with fresh food.
> Kaytee Hi-Calcium Grit should also be supplied to aid digestion and
> provide valuable minerals.
> Storage Instructions: Kaytee Supreme Food for Doves should be
> refrigerated for maximum freshness. Store in a cool, dry place in a
> sealed container if refrigeration is not available.
>
> Ingredients
> White millet, milo, wheat, canadian field peas, red millet, canary
> grass seed, popcorn, safflower, oat groats, ground yellow corn, ground
> wheat, corn gluten meal, wheat middlings, dehulled soybean meal,
> dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, beet pulp, soy oil, salt, fish
> meal, dl-methionine, brewers dried yeast, l-lysine, choline chloride,
> vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ferrous carbonate, zinc
> oxide, riboflavin supplement, manganous oxide, menadione sodium
> bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), ethoxyquin (a
> preservative), niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper oxide, vitamin A
> supplement, cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), pyridoxine
> hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate,
> folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
>
> Guaranteed Analysis
> Crude protein (min.) 11.0%, crude fat (min.) 3.0%, crude fiber (max.)
> 6.0%, moisture (max.) 12.0%.
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| NaDeana |
PS: I think you mean ring NECK doves.
"NaDeana" <nadeana@GOTTATAKETHISOUTshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AFpRa.448070$ro6.10787114@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> The seed mix that you mention sounds good, but do not forget grit and
oyster
> shell. Doves do not take the shell off the seeds and rely on the gizzard +
> grit to do the job. Try them with grated apple and some berries, like the
> unsweetened frozen kind in the supermarket. Oyster shell for calcium. Make
> sure to give plenty of fresh water! Doves drink 40% of their body weight
in
> water a day.
>
>
> "outsidetheline" <wonder_boi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1fdc73cb.0307162025.26d678be@posting.google.com...
> > hi everyone!!
> >
> > i've just adopted 4 ringtail doves from my dad's friend, because a
> > neighbor of there's was just getting annoyed by there "cooing".
> >
> > he gave us no instructions on how to care for them (trusting us only
> > that they live and see the daylight). No fear. I searched them up on
> > google and Dove websites and found abundant information.
> >
> > I have trouble finding them food since there are no local petstores
> > pertaining to Doves, except the pet chain stores offering already
> > pre-packaged Dove mix. I've read a couple of threads that stated wild
> > bird seed/canary/green vegies would be good. I tried giving them
> > brocolli today and they loved it (maybe next time i ought to cut it
> > more finely). Would "Kaytee Supreme Daily Blend Dove Food" be good for
> > my RINGTAIL DOVES?? They cost $2.99 at PETCO.com online, and it seems
> > reasonable. I'd pay anything (that my birthday money would allow) in
> > order that they have a good diet... well, here's the ingredients in it
> > found at www.petco.com.. please respond and thanks taking the time to
> > read a fellow *NEW* dove friend.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kaytee Supreme Daily Blend Dove Food
> >
> >
> >
> > Our Price: $2.99
> >
> > Bottomless Bowl Price: $2.84
> >
> > SKU #: 123390
> >
> > Unit: each
> >
> > Size 1: 5 lbs.
> >
> > Shipping Wt: 4 lbs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Qty
> >
> > Add to List
> > Add to Fetch My Sales
> > E-mail product to friend
> >
> >
> >
> > Get Summer Savings
> > with 10% off your online purchase of $40 or more.
> >
> >
> >
> > » Bottomless Bowl
> > » Fetch My Sales
> > » Shopping List
> > » Shipping Charges
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Description
> > Doves have special nutritional needs. Kaytee Supreme Dove Food offers
> > the high-quality nutritious ingredients in a mix that doves and
> > pigeons love. Best of all, the clean, wholesome ingredients and
> > specially designed supplement provide the proteins, oils, and other
> > nutrients that doves require to grow strong and stay healthy.
> >
> > Technical Information
> > Feeding Instructions: The following feeding amount is designed as a
> > starting point and should be adjusted for your dove or pigeon. The
> > portion is for one animal. Adjust if more animals are fed.
> > Suggested Daily Feeding Amount: 1/4 cup.
> > Always provide plenty of clean, fresh water. Best results are obtained
> > by feeding only the amount the dove will consume in one day, then
> > discarding the uneaten portion and replacing it with fresh food.
> > Kaytee Hi-Calcium Grit should also be supplied to aid digestion and
> > provide valuable minerals.
> > Storage Instructions: Kaytee Supreme Food for Doves should be
> > refrigerated for maximum freshness. Store in a cool, dry place in a
> > sealed container if refrigeration is not available.
> >
> > Ingredients
> > White millet, milo, wheat, canadian field peas, red millet, canary
> > grass seed, popcorn, safflower, oat groats, ground yellow corn, ground
> > wheat, corn gluten meal, wheat middlings, dehulled soybean meal,
> > dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, beet pulp, soy oil, salt, fish
> > meal, dl-methionine, brewers dried yeast, l-lysine, choline chloride,
> > vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ferrous carbonate, zinc
> > oxide, riboflavin supplement, manganous oxide, menadione sodium
> > bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), ethoxyquin (a
> > preservative), niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper oxide, vitamin A
> > supplement, cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), pyridoxine
> > hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate,
> > folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
> >
> > Guaranteed Analysis
> > Crude protein (min.) 11.0%, crude fat (min.) 3.0%, crude fiber (max.)
> > 6.0%, moisture (max.) 12.0%.
>
>
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| Toucanldy |
>From: wonder_boi@yahoo.com (outsidetheline)
>hi everyone!!
>
>i've just adopted 4 ringtail doves from my dad's friend, because a
>neighbor of there's was just getting annoyed by there "cooing".
>
>he gave us no instructions on how to care for them (trusting us only
>that they live and see the daylight). No fear. I searched them up on
>google and Dove websites and found abundant information.
>
>I have trouble finding them food since there are no local petstores
>pertaining to Doves, except the pet chain stores offering already
>pre-packaged Dove mix. I've read a couple of threads that stated wild
>bird seed/canary/green vegies would be good. I tried giving them
>brocolli today and they loved it (maybe next time i ought to cut it
>more finely). Would "Kaytee Supreme Daily Blend Dove Food" be good for
>my RINGTAIL DOVES??
>
>Ingredients
>White millet, milo, wheat, canadian field peas, red millet, canary
>grass seed, popcorn, safflower, oat groats, ground yellow corn, ground
>wheat, corn gluten meal, wheat middlings, dehulled soybean meal,
>dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, beet pulp, soy oil, salt, fish
>meal, dl-methionine, brewers dried yeast, l-lysine, choline chloride,
>vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ferrous carbonate, zinc
>oxide, riboflavin supplement, manganous oxide, menadione sodium
>bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), ethoxyquin (a
>preservative), niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper oxide, vitamin A
>supplement, cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), pyridoxine
>hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate,
>folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
IMO, I would not use Kaytee, because of their artificial ingredients,
especially ethoxyquin and menadione.
Quoted from:
http://www.yourparrotplace.com/nl_a...003-25-2001.txt
ARTICLE
Food For Thought - What's NOT In My Bird's Food
by Gudrun Maybaum, Avian Nutrition and Herb Consultant
Phone: (503) 672-9020 E-mail: gudrun@yourparrotplace.com
www.beaktreats.com
With so many different bird foods on the market - how do you
choose which is best for your bird? We hear and read a lot
about what should be in our birds food. But, we rarely hear
what we don't want in it. Some of these potentially harmful
things I find in almost every food on the market.
Ethoxyquin, BHA, BHT - Would you give your bird rubber stabilizer
or a pesticide to eat? Of course not! But that is exactly what
ethoxyquin is. Originally developed by Monsanto Industrial
Chemical Company in the 1950s as a stabilizer for things like
alfalfa and grasses that were to be fed to livestock. Pet
food was not even considered when the permit was issued.
Ethoxyquin is also used to anti-degradation agent for rubber.
The FDA has ONLY approved it for use as a food additive for
use in the production of paprika, chili powder and ground chili.
It is not approved as preservative for human food and proven to
cause liver damage and breeding problems in dogs. Is it in
your bird's food? If you want to know more about ethoxyquin,
go to www.parrothouse.com/ethox.html and read the
"Investigative Report on Ethoxyquin" by Alicia McWatters. BHT
and BHA fall in the same category.
Menadione - Another additive that stands my hair on end is
Menadione, a so called source of vitamin K. The producer has
a "safety sheet" on his German site. There it says that the
person who handles the menadione needs to wear protective
outfit, gloves, mask and glasses. If any contact with skin
or the eyes occurs or it is inhaled an immediate consultation
of a physician is necessary. If ingested, it could cause
skin irritations (feather plucking?). The Merck Manual
(www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3i.htm) says
it is toxic, should not be given to babies and should NOT used
to treat vitamin K deficiency. I could not find any dog or
cat food and only a few brands of bird foods without it. The
new thing is to "fortify" the seeds with vitamins and there
we have the menadione again.
Artificial Vitamins - Then there are the vitamins added to
pellets, seeds and other bird foods. Most of them are not
vitamins, but an artificially produced part of the natural
vitamin. For example: ascorbic acid is not the whole Vitamin C.
It is only a part of it. There is scientific research that show
the artificial vitamin parts do not have the same effect than
the actual vitamin. But our packages can still show Vitamin C
and mean ascorbic acid.
Sucrose - And why is there sucrose, which is refined sugar,
in most pellets and a lot of other parrot food? I thought it
was well known by now that sugar compromises the immune system,
promotes candida, can even cause infections, diabetes and more.
Artificial Colors and Flavors - I don't even look at a products
that looks like they could have artificial colors in it. If I
see artificial colors or flavors on the label, the product is
back in the shelf so fast it would make your head spin.
Choosing food is easy - instead of looking at what I want in my
bird food, I first look at what I don't want and the selection
shrinks to a small number of products. Is it safe, not safe?
There is just no need to worry about such things when there are
bird foods available without any of these additives.
Remember, it is up to you to choose what you think is best for
your bird and you must do your own research, and form your own
opinions. There is a disturbing tendency to jump on the newest
band wagon about almost anything, especially in the information
age. Ask yourself this, "What would my bird choose?"
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| John Hines |
wonder_boi@yahoo.com (outsidetheline) wrote:
>hi everyone!!
>
>i've just adopted 4 ringtail doves from my dad's friend, because a
>neighbor of there's was just getting annoyed by there "cooing".
>
>he gave us no instructions on how to care for them (trusting us only
>that they live and see the daylight). No fear. I searched them up on
>google and Dove websites and found abundant information.
>
>I have trouble finding them food since there are no local petstores
>pertaining to Doves, except the pet chain stores offering already
>pre-packaged Dove mix.
Safflower based Cockatiel food was what I'd use for my roller pigeons
(pigeons aka rock doves) when I ran out of food.
Look around and see if you can find someplace that sells in bulk, so
you can mix your own blend of a lb of this and that.
Check the nutrients, that blend is low (11%) on protein. Cockatiel
blend is around 14%, the pigeon food I got was 16% (?), even higher for
the racing birds.
And as others said, grit. Smaller sized, crushed oyster shell if you
have it available.
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| outsidetheline |
thanks all for the advice, each one brought me to a higher level
awarness for these beautiful RINGNECK doves=) especially the one with
Kaytee's ingredients.. arrgh!!
may i substitute the oyster shells for egg shells as i have read that
they too contain calcium? The posts said they should be finely
crushed, but should i cook them in the oven (as one suggested) or just
freshly crushed?
i've yet to hear them "coo" the only sound they make are the 2 young
doves going "mmmeeek" "meeek" like small baby chickens=P dad says to
give them time to adjust to their new situation... and they don't seem
to drink that much (maybe due to the different taste in water from
what they were receiving), although i change the water 3 times daily
(due to freetime of summer vacation wooooo!!).
Also, it saddens me that there are 2 eggs yet to hatch. The mother and
father are not taking turns sitting on it, instead the whole family of
4 are pooping on top of its next. HOW DO I avoid this situation from
happening again? And when's the next time they will mate? SHOULD i get
the eggs out??
Come to think of it, it has been a week now since we have received
them and it is truelly a blessing.
P.S. Their cage is right next to our backyard door and i was wondering
how much sunlight should they receive... is it ok to leave them to
full sunlight and to the elements? I put them in the shade though in
fear of finding them as fried chicken.
Dearest bird lovers, i apologize for this long list of questions from
a kid who wants best for the birds but feedback would be most
WHOLE-HEARTEDLY appreciated=)
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| oldmolly |
"outsidetheline" <wonder_boi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1fdc73cb.0307172209.4951b6bc@posting.google.com...
> thanks all for the advice, each one brought me to a higher level
> awarness for these beautiful RINGNECK doves=) especially the one with
> Kaytee's ingredients.. arrgh!!
>
> may i substitute the oyster shells for egg shells as i have read that
> they too contain calcium? The posts said they should be finely
> crushed, but should i cook them in the oven (as one suggested) or just
> freshly crushed?
>
> i've yet to hear them "coo" the only sound they make are the 2 young
> doves going "mmmeeek" "meeek" like small baby chickens=P dad says to
> give them time to adjust to their new situation... and they don't seem
> to drink that much (maybe due to the different taste in water from
> what they were receiving), although i change the water 3 times daily
> (due to freetime of summer vacation wooooo!!).
>
> Also, it saddens me that there are 2 eggs yet to hatch. The mother and
> father are not taking turns sitting on it, instead the whole family of
> 4 are pooping on top of its next. HOW DO I avoid this situation from
> happening again? And when's the next time they will mate? SHOULD i get
> the eggs out??
>
> Come to think of it, it has been a week now since we have received
> them and it is truelly a blessing.
>
> P.S. Their cage is right next to our backyard door and i was wondering
> how much sunlight should they receive... is it ok to leave them to
> full sunlight and to the elements? I put them in the shade though in
> fear of finding them as fried chicken.
>
> Dearest bird lovers, i apologize for this long list of questions from
> a kid who wants best for the birds but feedback would be most
> WHOLE-HEARTEDLY appreciated=)
Full sun or weather is not good at all. Can you ask your dad to build you a
nice aviary for them. It doesn't have to be huge. Say 6 feet square and 6
feet high to start with.Put a corrugated opaque plastic roof on and site it
in a sheltered spot. No caged bird should be left out in all weathers and I
wonder what size cage you have the birds in and how many birds. Doves like
to fly.
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| John Hines |
wonder_boi@yahoo.com (outsidetheline) wrote:
>thanks all for the advice, each one brought me to a higher level
>awarness for these beautiful RINGNECK doves=) especially the one with
>Kaytee's ingredients.. arrgh!!
>
>may i substitute the oyster shells for egg shells as i have read that
>they too contain calcium? The posts said they should be finely
>crushed, but should i cook them in the oven (as one suggested) or just
>freshly crushed?
Finely crushed, cause in general crushed oyster shell is for chickens,
which are much bigger. They need grit that is on the smaller end of
what is available, cause they are smaller birds.
>i've yet to hear them "coo" the only sound they make are the 2 young
>doves going "mmmeeek" "meeek" like small baby chickens=P dad says to
>give them time to adjust to their new situation... and they don't seem
>to drink that much (maybe due to the different taste in water from
>what they were receiving), although i change the water 3 times daily
>(due to freetime of summer vacation wooooo!!).
Doves dip their bills in the water, and suck it up, rather than tipping
their heads back and letting it run down. They need enough depth in
their water dish to stick their whole bill into.
>Also, it saddens me that there are 2 eggs yet to hatch. The mother and
>father are not taking turns sitting on it, instead the whole family of
>4 are pooping on top of its next. HOW DO I avoid this situation from
>happening again? And when's the next time they will mate? SHOULD i get
>the eggs out??
If the eggs haven't hatched within a day or two of the others, it is
likely they are not viable, and have been abandoned.
For my pigeons, I setup a trio of nesting places, and they would just
move on to the next one, to lay. Which they would start doing, even
before the previous ones were out of the nest.
>P.S. Their cage is right next to our backyard door and i was wondering
>how much sunlight should they receive... is it ok to leave them to
>full sunlight and to the elements? I put them in the shade though in
>fear of finding them as fried chicken.
They need some shade, it is best to give them their choice, and have
some of each.
>Dearest bird lovers, i apologize for this long list of questions from
>a kid who wants best for the birds but feedback would be most
>WHOLE-HEARTEDLY appreciated=)
I hope you have something planned for the exploding population your in
for, if you let them continue to breed.
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