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| Laurie |
I brought MacDaddy the Wonder Budgie to the vet this morning...he's had
watery droppings lately, and he tested positive for Giardia. His WBC is
pretty high so he's got a nasty infection going on somewhere. He is on
Baytril, Flagyl, and some kind of immune booster since he's still so young.
And his LDH (liver enzymes) were a little too high so he will be joining
Mollie in the Milk Thistle/Lactulose club! Tomorrow, Mel & Mollie go for
Flagyl injections and Mollie will have her (hopefully) final liver re-check
done. I'm pretty sure that Mel is our 'Typhoid Mary' since he's always been
a little on the thin side, and has gotten 'itchy' every now and then.
Mollie was also treated for Giardia (although not tested, just went by her
chem panel numbers) last Fall when she was sick, and before I got Mac, so
I'm pretty sure Mel's the culprit.
Has anyone else's birds had this? Is it pretty treatable? I've read that
it could take a couple of rounds of treatment sometimes, so the 4 days of
injections kinda surprised me. And has anyone ever given their birds
injections themselves?
My Itty Bitty Pretty Bird is being hospitalized until Friday and I'm having
Mac withdrawals! :^(
Laurie (any and all advice, healing vibes, prayers, and empathy welcomed!)
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "Laurie" notinthislifetime@nowhere.com
>I brought MacDaddy the Wonder Budgie to the vet this morning...he's had
>watery droppings lately, and he tested positive for Giardia. His WBC is
>pretty high so he's got a nasty infection going on somewhere. He is on
>Baytril, Flagyl, and some kind of immune booster since he's still so young.
>And his LDH (liver enzymes) were a little too high so he will be joining
>Mollie in the Milk Thistle/Lactulose club! Tomorrow, Mel & Mollie go for
>Flagyl injections and Mollie will have her (hopefully) final liver re-check
>done. I'm pretty sure that Mel is our 'Typhoid Mary' since he's always been
>a little on the thin side, and has gotten 'itchy' every now and then.
>Mollie was also treated for Giardia (although not tested, just went by her
>chem panel numbers) last Fall when she was sick, and before I got Mac, so
>I'm pretty sure Mel's the culprit.
>
>Has anyone else's birds had this? Is it pretty treatable? I've read that
>it could take a couple of rounds of treatment sometimes, so the 4 days of
>injections kinda surprised me. And has anyone ever given their birds
>injections themselves?
>
>My Itty Bitty Pretty Bird is being hospitalized until Friday and I'm having
>Mac withdrawals! :^(
>
>Laurie (any and all advice, healing vibes, prayers, and empathy welcomed!)
>
>
Sorry to hear about "Little Mac." Giardia can be controlled, but it's hard to
get rid of.
Here's an infomative article.
http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/giardia.html
Here are some other options.
http://www.naturallyhealthypet.com/giardiasis.htm
Sending healing vibes.
Regards
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| Judy&Fido |
"Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I brought MacDaddy the Wonder Budgie to the vet this morning...he's had
watery droppings lately, and he tested positive for Giardia. His WBC is
pretty high so he's got a nasty infection going on somewhere. He is on
Baytril, Flagyl, and some kind of immune booster since he's still so young.
And his LDH (liver enzymes) were a little too high so he will be joining
Mollie in the Milk Thistle/Lactulose club! Tomorrow, Mel & Mollie go for
Flagyl injections and Mollie will have her (hopefully) final liver re-check
done. I'm pretty sure that Mel is our 'Typhoid Mary' since he's always been
a little on the thin side, and has gotten 'itchy' every now and then.
Mollie was also treated for Giardia (although not tested, just went by her
chem panel numbers) last Fall when she was sick, and before I got Mac, so
I'm pretty sure Mel's the culprit.
Has anyone else's birds had this? Is it pretty treatable? I've read that
it could take a couple of rounds of treatment sometimes, so the 4 days of
injections kinda surprised me. And has anyone ever given their birds
injections themselves?
My Itty Bitty Pretty Bird is being hospitalized until Friday and I'm having
Mac withdrawals! :^(
Laurie (any and all advice, healing vibes, prayers, and empathy welcomed!)
Laurie...Me & the Fidomaster send our very best to you, your family, your
feathered babies, and especially MacDaddy.
J&F
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| JoyceAgen |
Our vet also prescribed milk thistle and lactulose for liver problems in a
budgie. I can't remember the exact amount, but it basically wound up being a
few drops. Why don't you ask your vet, based on Magic's weight, how much to
give him? Make sure that the milk thistle does not contain alcohol. Our vet
gave us the lactulose, so I don't know if that can be bought over the counter.
Also, I've been told to give birds probiotics when they're being given a
course of antibiotics to retore the "good bacteria" in their systems. I bought
this is a little squeeze tube in a pet store. I know this isn't easy for you.
You have my best wishes for your baby's recovery. Mary
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On 15 Jul 2003 20:24:11 GMT, joyceagen@aol.com (JoyceAgen) wrote:
>Our vet also prescribed milk thistle and lactulose for liver problems in a
>budgie. I can't remember the exact amount, but it basically wound up being a
>few drops. Why don't you ask your vet, based on Magic's weight, how much to
>give him? Make sure that the milk thistle does not contain alcohol. Our vet
>gave us the lactulose, so I don't know if that can be bought over the counter.
>Also, I've been told to give birds probiotics when they're being given a
>course of antibiotics to retore the "good bacteria" in their systems. I bought
>this is a little squeeze tube in a pet store. I know this isn't easy for you.
>You have my best wishes for your baby's recovery. Mary
Can you give probiotics and the same time as antibiotics or does one
counteract the other?
Bex
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| Alex Clayton |
"Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Judy&Fido" <Judy&Fido@Chickenleg.com> wrote in message
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> > Laurie...Me & the Fidomaster send our very best to you, your family,
your
> > feathered babies, and especially MacDaddy.
> > J&F
Me too, hope the little ones can get better real soon Laurie.
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| GCarr |
"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Can you give probiotics and the same time as antibiotics or does one
> counteract the other?
The antibiotics are to kill the bad bacteria, however not all the bacteria
in out birds' bodies are bad. Since most types of antibiotics also kill good
bacteria the good bacteria need to be replaced or else the bird becomes much
more susceptible to fungal infections. Lacto bactillus (sp?) is a common
probiotic, and most vets and many petstores should carry it.
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| GCarr |
"GCarr" <gcarr@cybcon.com> wrote in message
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Since most types of antibiotics also kill good
> bacteria the good bacteria need to be replaced or else the bird becomes
much
> more susceptible to fungal infections.
And yeast! forgot that those are two different things (I think)
gloria
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| Toucanldy |
>From: "GCarr" gcarr@cybcon.com
>The antibiotics are to kill the bad bacteria, however not all the bacteria
>in out birds' bodies are bad. Since most types of antibiotics also kill good
>bacteria the good bacteria need to be replaced or else the bird becomes much
>more susceptible to fungal infections. Lacto bactillus (sp?) is a common
>probiotic, and most vets and many petstores should carry it.
>
Not all probiotics are effective. IMO, the best ones are in the refrigerated
section, of your local health food store. I always use human supplements for my
animals. After all, they were first tested on animals.
Regards
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| JoyceAgen |
Hi Bex: I was looking for probiotics on the web and found a company in the UK
called Protexin.
Their site is www.animal-health-protexin.com and their freephone number is
0800-328-5663.
They make probiotics for all sorts of animals including pigeons, so perhaps
they can point you in the right direction. Mary
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:51:10 GMT, "Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com>
wrote:
>Milk Thistle is very good for the liver from what I understand. I get a
>mixture with Lactulose (I forget what that's for) from my vet and give 1
>drop twice daily right in the mouth. Not sure how much I'll be dosing
>MacDaddy yet, will find out Friday. But I'm beginning to think it's a
>wonder drug! Mollie's liver enzymes were back down to almost normal after
>being on it for six months.
Hmm, I shall ask the vet about that. I wonder if should ask now (while
he's being treated) or wait until his course of anti biotics are over?
Bex
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On 16 Jul 2003 12:51:07 GMT, toucanldy@aol.com (Toucanldy) wrote:
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>>From: "GCarr" gcarr@cybcon.com
>
>>The antibiotics are to kill the bad bacteria, however not all the bacteria
>>in out birds' bodies are bad. Since most types of antibiotics also kill good
>>bacteria the good bacteria need to be replaced or else the bird becomes much
>>more susceptible to fungal infections. Lacto bactillus (sp?) is a common
>>probiotic, and most vets and many petstores should carry it.
>>
>
>Not all probiotics are effective. IMO, the best ones are in the refrigerated
>section, of your local health food store. I always use human supplements for my
>animals. After all, they were first tested on animals.
I have some Avipro here....that no good then?
bex
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On 16 Jul 2003 13:36:00 GMT, joyceagen@aol.com (JoyceAgen) wrote:
>Hi Bex: I was looking for probiotics on the web and found a company in the UK
>called Protexin.
>Their site is www.animal-health-protexin.com and their freephone number is
>0800-328-5663.
>They make probiotics for all sorts of animals including pigeons, so perhaps
>they can point you in the right direction. Mary
Ooo thanks :)
Bex
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| Toucanldy |
>From: ^^ Bex ^^ bex@darkwave.org.uk
>On 16 Jul 2003 12:51:07 GMT, toucanldy@aol.com (Toucanldy) wrote:
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>>>From: "GCarr" gcarr@cybcon.com
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>>>The antibiotics are to kill the bad bacteria, however not all the bacteria
>>>in out birds' bodies are bad. Since most types of antibiotics also kill
>good
>>>bacteria the good bacteria need to be replaced or else the bird becomes
>much
>>>more susceptible to fungal infections. Lacto bactillus (sp?) is a common
>>>probiotic, and most vets and many petstores should carry it.
>>>
>>
>>Not all probiotics are effective. IMO, the best ones are in the refrigerated
>>section, of your local health food store. I always use human supplements for
>my
>>animals. After all, they were first tested on animals.
>
>I have some Avipro here....that no good then?
>
Here is one study.
Quoted from:
http://www.newhope.com/news.cfm?news=1257
According to this new report, laboratory testing of 12 refrigerated and 8
non-refrigerated, randomly selected probiotic supplements obtained from
different health food stores revealed that only one product contained the same
bacteria as those listed on the label. Many of the refrigerated products had
some beneficial bacteria, but contained fewer species of organisms than the
label claimed. More than 30% of all supplements were contaminated with other
microorganisms and 50% of the non-refrigerated products were completely dead.
Dead probiotics have no impact on improving intestinal function or restoring
the balance of normal intestinal flora.
Regards
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| ^^ Bex ^^ |
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:41:42 GMT, "Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com>
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>"^^ Bex ^^" <bex@darkwave.org.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:51:10 GMT, "Laurie" <notinthislifetime@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>> >Milk Thistle is very good for the liver from what I understand. I get a
>> >mixture with Lactulose (I forget what that's for) from my vet and give 1
>> >drop twice daily right in the mouth. Not sure how much I'll be dosing
>> >MacDaddy yet, will find out Friday. But I'm beginning to think it's a
>> >wonder drug! Mollie's liver enzymes were back down to almost normal
>after
>> >being on it for six months.
>>
>> Hmm, I shall ask the vet about that. I wonder if should ask now (while
>> he's being treated) or wait until his course of anti biotics are over?
>>
>> Bex
>
>Ask now Bex. It's detoxifying for the liver, and the lactulose helps rid
>the blood of ammonia besides putting back the good flora. I can't see a
>reason not to start Magic on it while he's still on the antibiotics. The
>sooner the stuff gets in him the faster he'll start healing!
Thank you, I shall ask the vet then.
Bex
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| Laurie |
"WriderGal" <wridergal@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Giardia is very contagious and must be treated faithfully in order to
eradicate
> it, or it can come back. AND YOU CAN CATCH it too! Be very careful.
Actually, the vet said there was a medical journal published recently that
stated that the avian Giardia is NOT the same one that affects Mammal
(including humans) But you're right, it's hard to get rid of. I just spent
the day disinfecting all 3 cages, washing towels and cage covers in bleach
and hot water, and vacuuming like a fiend.
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