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| Mandie @k@ Zepherous |
I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little nipper'
mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel and
cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk from a
supermarket shelf.
He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get back to
me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an exremely bad
attitude to the request and totally refused the removal of the traps.
These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing an agonising slow
death.
I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so readily
available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and would ask that
you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
I have posted this message to other groups.
Regards,
Mandie.
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| dawn |
Those traps are intended for WILD animals not domesticated animals.
Generally common sense would prevail when setting spring traps in a house if
you allow cats or other animals to roam freely. My friend uses lil nipper
mouse traps because they have wild mice throughout their house and calling
an exterminator WEEKLY would be very costly for them. Moving is not an
option for limited income families nor is a weekly exterminator visit.
I am sure the people who purchase those traps are doing it for the sole
reason to get rid of pests chewing up their furniture, clothing, walls,
getting into their food and garbage. How would you feel waking up, going to
the kitchen for something to eat or drink only to find that a wild rodent
has eaten through the bag and has helped itself? You may think that those
traps shouldnt be accessible but if that one supermarket/department store
stops selling it another place will start or already does sell the product.
You really need to look at this from another stand point other than its a
cruel agonizing death.
Dawn
"Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:GJOdnX9XkrjNsofZRVnytA@pipex.net...
> I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little
nipper'
> mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel and
> cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk from a
> supermarket shelf.
> He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get back to
> me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an exremely bad
> attitude to the request and totally refused the removal of the traps.
> These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing an agonising slow
> death.
> I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so readily
> available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and would ask
that
> you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
> I have posted this message to other groups.
> Regards,
> Mandie.
>
>
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| Mandie @k@ Zepherous |
"dawn" <dawnikus@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Those traps are intended for WILD animals not domesticated animals.
> Generally common sense would prevail when setting spring traps in a house
> if
> you allow cats or other animals to roam freely. My friend uses lil nipper
> mouse traps because they have wild mice throughout their house and calling
> an exterminator WEEKLY would be very costly for them. Moving is not an
> option for limited income families nor is a weekly exterminator visit.
>
> I am sure the people who purchase those traps are doing it for the sole
> reason to get rid of pests chewing up their furniture, clothing, walls,
> getting into their food and garbage. How would you feel waking up, going
> to
> the kitchen for something to eat or drink only to find that a wild rodent
> has eaten through the bag and has helped itself? You may think that those
> traps shouldnt be accessible but if that one supermarket/department store
> stops selling it another place will start or already does sell the
> product.
> You really need to look at this from another stand point other than its a
> cruel agonizing death.
>
> Dawn
>
> "Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GJOdnX9XkrjNsofZRVnytA@pipex.net...
>> I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little
> nipper'
>> mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel and
>> cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk from a
>> supermarket shelf.
>> He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get back to
>> me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an exremely bad
>> attitude to the request and totally refused the removal of the traps.
>> These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing an agonising slow
>> death.
>> I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so readily
>> available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and would ask
> that
>> you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
>> I have posted this message to other groups.
>> Regards,
>> Mandie.
>>
>>
>
>
I'm don't expect them to be banned everywhere, but I do feel that selling
them on supermarket shelves may lead to spur of the moment purchases,
Morrisons
do not offer kinder humane alternatives so some people may buy the 'little
nipper'
traps to save them going out of their way to a shop that has a choice of
traps.
They don't always kill wild rodents out right and it can be distresssing to
go and check the traps only to find
a wild rodent trapped dying but not dead.
The buyer for Morrisons will not consider stocking humane traps that catch
without killing to give people a choice.
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| dawn |
perhaps getting the local humane society involved might give you some
leverage.
Dawn
"Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:qL-dncdoU-rB-oLZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@pipex.net...
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> "dawn" <dawnikus@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jVITf.163664$H%4.128292@pd7tw2no...
> > Those traps are intended for WILD animals not domesticated animals.
> > Generally common sense would prevail when setting spring traps in a
house
> > if
> > you allow cats or other animals to roam freely. My friend uses lil
nipper
> > mouse traps because they have wild mice throughout their house and
calling
> > an exterminator WEEKLY would be very costly for them. Moving is not an
> > option for limited income families nor is a weekly exterminator visit.
> >
> > I am sure the people who purchase those traps are doing it for the sole
> > reason to get rid of pests chewing up their furniture, clothing, walls,
> > getting into their food and garbage. How would you feel waking up, going
> > to
> > the kitchen for something to eat or drink only to find that a wild
rodent
> > has eaten through the bag and has helped itself? You may think that
those
> > traps shouldnt be accessible but if that one supermarket/department
store
> > stops selling it another place will start or already does sell the
> > product.
> > You really need to look at this from another stand point other than its
a
> > cruel agonizing death.
> >
> > Dawn
> >
> > "Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GJOdnX9XkrjNsofZRVnytA@pipex.net...
> >> I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little
> > nipper'
> >> mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel
and
> >> cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk from a
> >> supermarket shelf.
> >> He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get back
to
> >> me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an exremely
bad
> >> attitude to the request and totally refused the removal of the traps.
> >> These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing an agonising
slow
> >> death.
> >> I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so readily
> >> available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and would ask
> > that
> >> you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
> >> I have posted this message to other groups.
> >> Regards,
> >> Mandie.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> I'm don't expect them to be banned everywhere, but I do feel that selling
> them on supermarket shelves may lead to spur of the moment purchases,
> Morrisons
> do not offer kinder humane alternatives so some people may buy the 'little
> nipper'
> traps to save them going out of their way to a shop that has a choice of
> traps.
> They don't always kill wild rodents out right and it can be distresssing
to
> go and check the traps only to find
> a wild rodent trapped dying but not dead.
> The buyer for Morrisons will not consider stocking humane traps that catch
> without killing to give people a choice.
>
>
>
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| Dave Ryman |
"Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in
news:qL-dncdoU-rB-oLZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@pipex.net:
>
> "dawn" <dawnikus@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jVITf.163664$H%4.128292@pd7tw2no...
>> Those traps are intended for WILD animals not domesticated animals.
>> Generally common sense would prevail when setting spring traps in a
>> house if
>> you allow cats or other animals to roam freely. My friend uses lil
>> nipper mouse traps because they have wild mice throughout their house
>> and calling an exterminator WEEKLY would be very costly for them.
>> Moving is not an option for limited income families nor is a weekly
>> exterminator visit.
>>
>> I am sure the people who purchase those traps are doing it for the
>> sole reason to get rid of pests chewing up their furniture, clothing,
>> walls, getting into their food and garbage. How would you feel waking
>> up, going to
>> the kitchen for something to eat or drink only to find that a wild
>> rodent has eaten through the bag and has helped itself? You may think
>> that those traps shouldnt be accessible but if that one
>> supermarket/department store stops selling it another place will
>> start or already does sell the product.
>> You really need to look at this from another stand point other than
>> its a cruel agonizing death.
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>> "Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:GJOdnX9XkrjNsofZRVnytA@pipex.net...
>>> I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little
>> nipper'
>>> mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel
>>> and cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk
>>> from a supermarket shelf.
>>> He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get
>>> back to me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an
>>> exremely bad attitude to the request and totally refused the removal
>>> of the traps. These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing
>>> an agonising slow death.
>>> I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so
>>> readily available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and
>>> would ask
>> that
>>> you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
>>> I have posted this message to other groups.
>>> Regards,
>>> Mandie.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> I'm don't expect them to be banned everywhere, but I do feel that
> selling them on supermarket shelves may lead to spur of the moment
> purchases, Morrisons
> do not offer kinder humane alternatives so some people may buy the
> 'little nipper'
> traps to save them going out of their way to a shop that has a choice
> of traps.
> They don't always kill wild rodents out right and it can be
> distresssing to go and check the traps only to find
> a wild rodent trapped dying but not dead.
> The buyer for Morrisons will not consider stocking humane traps that
> catch without killing to give people a choice.
>
>
>
IMHO, the options available for controlling rat infestations are
appalling. Traditional rat/mouse traps, although humane if triggered on
the correct part of the rat, are very nasty if they "miss", and get a leg
or internal organs. Poisons work by causing internal haemorraging - slow
and painful. Glue traps are just plain nasty: A slow, frightening,
painful death from dehydration. Live traps - Any idea how frightened a
wild animal can get? Pest controllers (from what I've seen of them in the
media) with airguns seem very slap-happy, and seem content with a wound
rather than a kill.
I believe the only humane ways to kill a wild animal are: Non-painful
poison (eg: There is one for mice, or used to be, which sends them to
sleep, so they die of cold whilst sleeping); Shoot-to-kill (not to-
maime); and a heavy blow to the head.
In reality, our pets need protecting from wild invaders. I would not
hesitate to dispatch a wild animal to protect our pet rats, but I would
not be happy with an inhumane process. Fortunately, we have not yet been
in the position of having to deal with such a dillema. The only time I've
ever done any pest control concerned rabbits: I used a high-power air-
rifle, which certainly got the task over with in seconds: Better than
many of the other methods out there, certainly better than mixametosis
(however you spell that!).
One irony is that rats die in very large numbers in the Sewers when
there's a heavy rainstorm, making the efforts of pest controllers seem
pitiful. The other irony is, of course, that most rat infestations are
caused by our own mismanagement (eg: refuse).
It's not just rats that are so badly treated: Ever seen a picture of a
mole trap?
I suspect that the way to try and do something about inhumanity in pest
control is through the RSPCA, but I suspect they don't treat rodent pests
as seriously as other animals (like Chickens, for example).
--
Regards,
Dave
dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com
http://welcome.to/daves.website
http://travel.to/formula.one
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| Mandie @k@ Zepherous |
"dawn" <dawnikus@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bUYTf.168519$H%4.69163@pd7tw2no...
> perhaps getting the local humane society involved might give you some
> leverage.
>
> Dawn
> "Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qL-dncdoU-rB-oLZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "dawn" <dawnikus@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:jVITf.163664$H%4.128292@pd7tw2no...
>> > Those traps are intended for WILD animals not domesticated animals.
>> > Generally common sense would prevail when setting spring traps in a
> house
>> > if
>> > you allow cats or other animals to roam freely. My friend uses lil
> nipper
>> > mouse traps because they have wild mice throughout their house and
> calling
>> > an exterminator WEEKLY would be very costly for them. Moving is not an
>> > option for limited income families nor is a weekly exterminator visit.
>> >
>> > I am sure the people who purchase those traps are doing it for the sole
>> > reason to get rid of pests chewing up their furniture, clothing, walls,
>> > getting into their food and garbage. How would you feel waking up,
>> > going
>> > to
>> > the kitchen for something to eat or drink only to find that a wild
> rodent
>> > has eaten through the bag and has helped itself? You may think that
> those
>> > traps shouldnt be accessible but if that one supermarket/department
> store
>> > stops selling it another place will start or already does sell the
>> > product.
>> > You really need to look at this from another stand point other than its
> a
>> > cruel agonizing death.
>> >
>> > Dawn
>> >
>> > "Mandie @k@ Zepherous" <shpams@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:GJOdnX9XkrjNsofZRVnytA@pipex.net...
>> >> I was dismayed at my local Morrisons supermarket selling the 'little
>> > nipper'
>> >> mouse trap, I spoke with the duty manager who agreed they were cruel
> and
>> >> cetainly not suitable to be bought as easy as a pint of milk from a
>> >> supermarket shelf.
>> >> He told me he would phone the 'buyer' for that department and get back
> to
>> >> me, he called me yesterday and told me that the buyer had an exremely
> bad
>> >> attitude to the request and totally refused the removal of the traps.
>> >> These traps can catch larger rodents and birds causing an agonising
> slow
>> >> death.
>> >> I am going to do all I can to stop them making this product so readily
>> >> available as a spur of the moment off the shelf purchase and would ask
>> > that
>> >> you do all you can to make them remove the traps from the shelf,
>> >> I have posted this message to other groups.
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mandie.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I'm don't expect them to be banned everywhere, but I do feel that selling
>> them on supermarket shelves may lead to spur of the moment purchases,
>> Morrisons
>> do not offer kinder humane alternatives so some people may buy the
>> 'little
>> nipper'
>> traps to save them going out of their way to a shop that has a choice of
>> traps.
>> They don't always kill wild rodents out right and it can be distresssing
> to
>> go and check the traps only to find
>> a wild rodent trapped dying but not dead.
>> The buyer for Morrisons will not consider stocking humane traps that
>> catch
>> without killing to give people a choice.
>>
>>
>>
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>
I was thinking along those lines, I have emailed the ALF but have not yey
received a reply.
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| Mark Thompson |
> IMHO, the options available for controlling rat infestations are
> appalling.
Quite. The only way to control rodent problems is to remove their food
supply - killing the ones that are currently there merely lets more move
in.
Killing or trapping makes sense when it's a proper infestation and coupled
with action to remove their food supply. It gets rid of the rodents
faster, prevents large scale migrations of rodents to surrounding
localities and prevents them dying by death through starvation.
I've always been slightly puzzled why people think rats are bad because
they carry so many diseases that we can catch - have you heard how many
diseases other humans have? <shudders> *and we can catch every single one
of those*</shudders>
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| NRen2k5 |
Mark Thompson wrote:
> I've always been slightly puzzled why people think rats are bad because
> they carry so many diseases that we can catch - have you heard how many
> diseases other humans have? <shudders> *and we can catch every single one
> of those*</shudders>
I really don't get how some people don't mind being kissed by a dog but
won't touch a rat with a ten foot pole. I mean, most dogs lick their
rear end, drink out of the toilet and eat out of the garbage whenever
they can get away with it. So how can a rat possibly be worse?
- NRen2k5
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| Tracey |
"NRen2k5" <napsterneorenegade@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Thompson wrote:
>> I've always been slightly puzzled why people think rats are bad because
>> they carry so many diseases that we can catch - have you heard how many
>> diseases other humans have? <shudders> *and we can catch every single one
>> of those*</shudders>
Yep, so true.
> I really don't get how some people don't mind being kissed by a dog but
> won't touch a rat with a ten foot pole. I mean, most dogs lick their rear
> end, drink out of the toilet and eat out of the garbage whenever they can
> get away with it. So how can a rat possibly be worse?
>
> - NRen2k5
Our ratties *and* dogs are a safer option than fellow humans where snoggings
concerned ;o)
Tracey
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| Joanne |
Tracey wrote:
> "NRen2k5" <napsterneorenegade@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UfMUf.26077$S_5.351974@wagner.videotron.net...
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>>Mark Thompson wrote:
>>
>>>I've always been slightly puzzled why people think rats are bad because
>>>they carry so many diseases that we can catch - have you heard how many
>>>diseases other humans have? <shudders> *and we can catch every single one
>>>of those*</shudders>
>
>
> Yep, so true.
>
>
>>I really don't get how some people don't mind being kissed by a dog but
>>won't touch a rat with a ten foot pole. I mean, most dogs lick their rear
>>end, drink out of the toilet and eat out of the garbage whenever they can
>>get away with it. So how can a rat possibly be worse?
>>
>>- NRen2k5
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> Our ratties *and* dogs are a safer option than fellow humans where snoggings
> concerned ;o)
>
> Tracey
>
>
This is so true. I remember reading once that the mouth contains the
most bacteria and humans being the one that has it worst!!
--
Joanne
Owned by 13 rats
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