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| Deputy Dog |
Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
Dave
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| ex WGS Hamm |
"Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote in message
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> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
> been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
Well nobody realized the bird was not clipped, nor did we realize that the
bird had been taken outside and not restrained in any way. Having a fully
flighted bird outside with no restraint is plain foolish as I am sure DS
will admit now. Some of us don't clip routinely, some of us who don't clip
have never lost birds, some who do clip have lost birds.I personally would
never take the risk of taking an unclipped bird outside but that is my
personal choice. I give my U2 a very light clip in the summer. She can get
lift and fly short distances if she made the effort, but she is happy enough
pottering about and climbing up the clothes prop by herself if I am outside.
The only reason I give her a trim is because she loves being outside in the
summer with me. I never clip the birds who don't go outside as I like to see
tham flying about indoors. Strong flyers like conures and other parakeets
suffer more from not being able to fly than the larger birds I think. But
these are just my opinions and my own choices made for the happiness and
wellbeing of my birds.
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| Deputy Dog |
Hey slick you better read Dreamspinners posts again. the bird was not
outside.
Dave
"ex WGS Hamm" <alpha.bitchREMOVETHIS@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> "Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote in message
> news:brX%c.3364$2H5.2020@trndny07...
>> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
>> been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
>> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
>
> Well nobody realized the bird was not clipped, nor did we realize that the
> bird had been taken outside and not restrained in any way. Having a fully
> flighted bird outside with no restraint is plain foolish as I am sure DS
> will admit now. Some of us don't clip routinely, some of us who don't clip
> have never lost birds, some who do clip have lost birds.I personally would
> never take the risk of taking an unclipped bird outside but that is my
> personal choice. I give my U2 a very light clip in the summer. She can get
> lift and fly short distances if she made the effort, but she is happy
> enough
> pottering about and climbing up the clothes prop by herself if I am
> outside.
> The only reason I give her a trim is because she loves being outside in
> the
> summer with me. I never clip the birds who don't go outside as I like to
> see
> tham flying about indoors. Strong flyers like conures and other parakeets
> suffer more from not being able to fly than the larger birds I think. But
> these are just my opinions and my own choices made for the happiness and
> wellbeing of my birds.
>
>
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| Kimberlee |
What was the purpose of this post?
I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
Did it feel good to rub it in?
~Kimberlee
Deputy Dog wrote:
> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
>
> Dave
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| Deputy Dog |
The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this news group
that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of them).To the point
were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot was ment for them.
Maybe we all can learn from this.
Dave
"Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41414328$1@news.acsalaska.net...
> What was the purpose of this post?
> I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
> Did it feel good to rub it in?
> ~Kimberlee
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> Deputy Dog wrote:
>> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
>> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
>> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
>>
>> Dave
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| Quiet Thunder |
Here's what I learned from all this - Dave, you're an idiot!! And that "pot
shot" is meant entirely for you, and you alone! Who's the bigger Bozo - the
person that maimes a bird for their own pleasure or the person who lets
their bird be a bird? I'm an advocate of free flight but I also understand
why people clip their bird's wings - it is alot of fun to take your bird
everywhere and not have to worry about them flying away. You can argue the
point all you want, but clipping a bird's wings is physically damaging the
animal for your own gratification. I am not on a crusade to stop all wing
clipping because I understand why people do it (I've even done it myself).
Even so, you (Dave) feel the need to take a shot at those of us who advocate
free flight, so I'm just returning the favor - you are an idiot!! There,
now we're even. Oh, one more thing Dave - you ever heard of this little
tool called spellcheck?
I apologize to everyone for this post, but this guy just rubbed me the wrong
way!
>"Deputy Dog" wrote:
> The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this news
group
> that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of them).To the
point
> were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot was ment for them.
> Maybe we all can learn from this.
>
> Dave
>
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> >"Kimberlee" wrote:
> > What was the purpose of this post?
> > I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
> > Did it feel good to rub it in?
> > ~Kimberlee
> >
> >
> >> Deputy Dog wrote:
> >> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
> >> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
> >> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
> >> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
> >>
> >> Dave
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| Wheeler |
Calm down deary, me I love freeflight folks, it's great for biz.
Bob W
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"Quiet Thunder" <quiet_thunder@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Here's what I learned from all this - Dave, you're an idiot!! And that
"pot
> shot" is meant entirely for you, and you alone! Who's the bigger Bozo -
the
> person that maimes a bird for their own pleasure or the person who lets
> their bird be a bird? I'm an advocate of free flight but I also
understand
> why people clip their bird's wings - it is alot of fun to take your bird
> everywhere and not have to worry about them flying away. You can argue
the
> point all you want, but clipping a bird's wings is physically damaging the
> animal for your own gratification. I am not on a crusade to stop all wing
> clipping because I understand why people do it (I've even done it myself).
> Even so, you (Dave) feel the need to take a shot at those of us who
advocate
> free flight, so I'm just returning the favor - you are an idiot!! There,
> now we're even. Oh, one more thing Dave - you ever heard of this little
> tool called spellcheck?
>
> I apologize to everyone for this post, but this guy just rubbed me the
wrong
> way!
>
> >"Deputy Dog" wrote:
> > The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this news
> group
> > that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of them).To the
> point
> > were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot was ment for them.
> > Maybe we all can learn from this.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > >"Kimberlee" wrote:
> > > What was the purpose of this post?
> > > I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
> > > Did it feel good to rub it in?
> > > ~Kimberlee
> > >
> > >
> > >> Deputy Dog wrote:
> > >> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
> > >> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
> > >> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
> > >> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
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| Deputy Dog |
"Quiet Thunder" <quiet_thunder@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Kbk0d.17971$SY4.14863@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> Here's what I learned from all this - Dave, you're an idiot!! And that
> "pot
> shot" is meant entirely for you, and you alone! Who's the bigger Bozo -
> the
> person that maimes a bird for their own pleasure or the person who lets
> their bird be a bird? I'm an advocate of free flight but I also
> understand
> why people clip their bird's wings - it is alot of fun to take your bird
> everywhere and not have to worry about them flying away. You can argue
> the
> point all you want, but clipping a bird's wings is physically damaging the
> animal for your own gratification. I am not on a crusade to stop all wing
> clipping because I understand why people do it (I've even done it myself).
> Even so, you (Dave) feel the need to take a shot at those of us who
> advocate
> free flight, so I'm just returning the favor - you are an idiot!! There,
> now we're even. Oh, one more thing Dave - you ever heard of this little
> tool called spellcheck?
If all else fails attack a persons spelling or grammer or call em names
>
> I apologize to everyone for this post, but this guy just rubbed me the
> wrong
> way!
Nah I think you saw a little bit of yurself in the incedent and resented
being made to look foolish.
Me, I'll keep my guys clipped. Not because it feels good to take them every
where I go,(I don't) but because I don't ever want to go thru what
Dreamspinner did. It took alot of guts to post what she did. If I'm an idiot
in your eyes(or anyone elses) so be it, it ain't the first nor will it be
the last time.
Dave
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>>"Deputy Dog" wrote:
>> The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this news
> group
>> that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of them).To the
> point
>> were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot was ment for them.
>> Maybe we all can learn from this.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> >"Kimberlee" wrote:
>> > What was the purpose of this post?
>> > I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
>> > Did it feel good to rub it in?
>> > ~Kimberlee
>> >
>> >
>> >> Deputy Dog wrote:
>> >> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
>> >> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>> >> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
>> >> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
>> >>
>> >> Dave
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| Kimberlee |
Unfortunately, a pot shot doesn't encourage anyone to care about your
message.
If you want to be heard, you have to speak in a way that encourages others
to listen.
Passion and principles are great. Rudeness is our downfall.
As you said, we can all learn from this.
Deputy Dog wrote:
> The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this
> news group that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of
> them).To the point were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot
> was ment for them. Maybe we all can learn from this.
>
> Dave
> "Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:41414328$1@news.acsalaska.net...
>> What was the purpose of this post?
>> I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
>> Did it feel good to rub it in?
>> ~Kimberlee
>>
>>
>> Deputy Dog wrote:
>>> Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted
>>> have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>>> Kinda makes you go Hmmmm.
>>> But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
>>>
>>> Dave
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| Kevin |
"Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote in message
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> Me, I'll keep my guys clipped. Not because it feels good to take them
> every where I go,(I don't) but because I don't ever want to go thru what
> Dreamspinner did. It took alot of guts to post what she did. If I'm an
> idiot in your eyes(or anyone elses) so be it, it ain't the first nor will
> it be the last time.
> Dave
You think it takes guts to come here looking for sympathy and pats on the
back saying "it'll be alright"? People don't (can't) see there own
*stupidity* before they post about it - and usually not even after it's been
pointed out.
K
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| Deputy Dog |
It takes guts to do what she did knowing what kinda comments she would get.
There maybe a few new people who might learn from it. Lighten up jynxie not
everyone is a shlep like some of us like to believe.
Dave
"Kevin" <misterjynx@thywillbedone.com> wrote in message
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> "Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote in message
> news:a1u0d.370$VV2.151@trndny06...
>> Me, I'll keep my guys clipped. Not because it feels good to take them
>> every where I go,(I don't) but because I don't ever want to go thru what
>> Dreamspinner did. It took alot of guts to post what she did. If I'm an
>> idiot in your eyes(or anyone elses) so be it, it ain't the first nor will
>> it be the last time.
>> Dave
>
> You think it takes guts to come here looking for sympathy and pats on the
> back saying "it'll be alright"? People don't (can't) see there own
> *stupidity* before they post about it - and usually not even after it's
> been
> pointed out.
>
> K
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| Kevin |
"Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote in message
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> Maybe we all can learn from this.
>
Dream on.
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| Urisom |
The heated argument " to clip or not to clip" shows that we all are not sure
what the right thing to do is. It is a fact that most of us want the best for
our beutiful inteligent birds. As for me I like to keep my good friend, my
Nanday Conure, the way he is at his natural enviroment: not clipped. Its more
work for the owner but more life quality to the bird. Uri
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| John Hines |
"Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote:
>Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
>been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
Clipping the wings isn't an all or nothing thing.
My goffin, Cosmo had a real hack job when I first got him, his feathers
were trimmed back to nothing. Bad in that the bird couldn't fly enough
to prevent getting hurt from falls.
Now his primary flight feathers have grown back, and he can fly, but
not far, and not high. When he goes an flys from one room to another,
and back again, he is panting and heaving, just like a good work out.
This IMHO seems like a good thing, in that he still gets exercise. A
good avian barber (?) can trim the wings such that the bird still can
fly, and looks good, having the colored primary flights.
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John Hines wrote:
> "Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote:
>
>
>>Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
>>been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>
> Clipping the wings isn't an all or nothing thing.
>
> My goffin, Cosmo had a real hack job when I first got him, his feathers
> were trimmed back to nothing. Bad in that the bird couldn't fly enough
> to prevent getting hurt from falls.
>
> Now his primary flight feathers have grown back, and he can fly, but
> not far, and not high. When he goes an flys from one room to another,
> and back again, he is panting and heaving, just like a good work out.
>
> This IMHO seems like a good thing, in that he still gets exercise. A
> good avian barber (?) can trim the wings such that the bird still can
> fly, and looks good, having the colored primary flights.
>
No method is totally safe.
No clipping - Bird can fly away and never return. They can fly into
windows.
Limited clipping. - Bird can escape, but probably can't feed it'self or
avoid predator birds. It will tire quickly and be prey for mammals.
Heavily clipped - bird can escape by walking and is prey for mammals and
birds whether in or out of the home. It may be stepped on by humans in
the house.
I recently had a bird killed in my house by another bird. It was not
clipped, but it had been for many years when it was young and could not
fly. It was an amazon and was killed because he couldn't escaped an
attack from my scarlet macaw. Birds do attack other birds.
Personally I believe fully flighted birds are the safest, especially if
they are raised flighted in an room environment where they can fly
often. It's also my opinion they have the highest self confidence, and
therefore are the best compainions when they bond to a human. It's nice
to have a bird fly to your shoulder to cuddle you just becauese it
want's to.
Clipped or not it's up to each owner to provide a safe environment.
Accidents will happen, but they can be minimized with thought and
preparation.
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| John Hines |
Louis Boyd <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote:
>John Hines wrote:
>> "Deputy Dog" <dave@sibbett(removethis).com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have
>>>been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
>>
>> Clipping the wings isn't an all or nothing thing.
>>
>> My goffin, Cosmo had a real hack job when I first got him, his feathers
>> were trimmed back to nothing. Bad in that the bird couldn't fly enough
>> to prevent getting hurt from falls.
>>
>> Now his primary flight feathers have grown back, and he can fly, but
>> not far, and not high. When he goes an flys from one room to another,
>> and back again, he is panting and heaving, just like a good work out.
>>
>> This IMHO seems like a good thing, in that he still gets exercise. A
>> good avian barber (?) can trim the wings such that the bird still can
>> fly, and looks good, having the colored primary flights.
>>
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>No method is totally safe.
>
>No clipping - Bird can fly away and never return. They can fly into
>windows.
>
>Limited clipping. - Bird can escape, but probably can't feed it'self or
>avoid predator birds. It will tire quickly and be prey for mammals.
That is going to be a problem for any pet bird no matter what. It
doesn't have the foraging skills, and doesn't know the predators. Even
if fully flighted, surviving in the wild is difficult.
My point is, it isn't an all or nothing thing, there is a middle ground
which is very workable.
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"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>
> No method is totally safe.
>
> No clipping - Bird can fly away and never return.
Just like yours did.
>
> Limited clipping. - Bird can escape, but probably can't feed it'self or
> avoid predator birds. It will tire quickly and be prey for mammals.
>
> Heavily clipped - bird can escape by walking and is prey for mammals and
> birds whether in or out of the home. It may be stepped on by humans in
> the house.
A bird with full flight can just as easily be stepped on. One could argue
that if it's on the floor, it's more likely to be stepped on because the
owner is less likely to expect it to be there.
>
> I recently had a bird killed in my house by another bird. It was not
> clipped, but it had been for many years when it was young and could not
> fly. It was an amazon and was killed because he couldn't escaped an attack
> from my scarlet macaw. Birds do attack other birds.
>
And why didn't you post all the horrible details so that everyone could feel
sorry for the bird and for you and blow smoke up your ass?
> Personally I believe fully flighted birds are the safest, especially if
> they are raised flighted in an room environment where they can fly often.
Sounds reasonable.
> It's also my opinion they have the highest self confidence, and therefore
> are the best compainions when they bond to a human.
That can only be pure speculation. You don't know anybody elses birds as
well as you know your own and you're always going to be prejudiced towards
your own.
> It's nice to have a bird fly to your shoulder to cuddle you just becauese
> it want's to.
It's also nice that a clipped bird can't fly over to your shoulder and poop
on your new shirt just before you have to go to work.
>
> Clipped or not it's up to each owner to provide a safe environment.
> Accidents will happen, but they can be minimized with thought and
> preparation.
As far as I know, you've now lost two birds because of non clipped wings. I
can't recall hearing about anyone losing a bird because of clipped wings.
Kevin
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I came her looking for support, yes. Sympathy? Yes and no. I
learned a very important lesson from Abby's experience and I wanted to
share it here for others to learn from. Did I do something stupid?
Well, it depends on your point of view, doesn't it? Looking back, yes
I did. Prior to Abby's "adventure" I didn't think it was a stupid
thing to bring her to the fair because she never had tried to fly
before.
Eclectus parrots are very heavy-bodied parrots and Abby is a little
plump too. Prior to her escape, whenever she tried to "fly" in the
house she'd drop like a rock to the floor and even cried out once on
landing so hard. And she rarely ever tried to fly. So I decided to
let her flights grow out so that she wouldn't hurt her breast bone
upon landing. All my other parrots are clipped. The only parrot I
take outside is my Blue & Gold Macaw Captain & he wears a harness in
addition to being clipped when I take him outside.
It didn't occur to me Abby would decide to really fly at the fair. It
should have--it really should have--but it didn't until it was too
late. She flew out of the building (we WERE inside a building) and
spent the next three days in various trees until I got her back. It
was STUPID of me to bring her to the fair with unclipped
wings--hindsight is 20-20.
Abby is home safe. I will never risk her again like that. If she
goes anywhere again she will be clipped, just like everyone else in my
household is. This is the choice I make for my parrots--it is what I
feel safe doing.
My stand on free-flight is this--do it at your own risk, learn all you
can about it before doing it, but don't preach at others for not doing
the same. Clipped or not, love your parrots for who they are. Do
what you feel is best for them.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:49:40 -0500, "Kevin"
<misterjynx@thywillbedone.com> wrote:
>You think it takes guts to come here looking for sympathy and pats on the
>back saying "it'll be alright"? People don't (can't) see there own
>*stupidity* before they post about it - and usually not even after it's been
>pointed out.
>
>K
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And Dreamspinner3 <dreamspinner3@softhome.net> opened up and revealed to
the world news:kk2nk0pv4tgso4e5slh523huprhoabddka@4ax.com:
> I came her looking for support, yes. Sympathy? Yes and no. I
> learned a very important lesson from Abby's experience and I wanted to
> share it here for others to learn from. Did I do something stupid?
> Well, it depends on your point of view, doesn't it? Looking back, yes
> I did. Prior to Abby's "adventure" I didn't think it was a stupid
> thing to bring her to the fair because she never had tried to fly
> before.
>
> Eclectus parrots are very heavy-bodied parrots and Abby is a little
> plump too. Prior to her escape, whenever she tried to "fly" in the
> house she'd drop like a rock to the floor and even cried out once on
> landing so hard. And she rarely ever tried to fly. So I decided to
> let her flights grow out so that she wouldn't hurt her breast bone
> upon landing. All my other parrots are clipped. The only parrot I
> take outside is my Blue & Gold Macaw Captain & he wears a harness in
> addition to being clipped when I take him outside.
>
> It didn't occur to me Abby would decide to really fly at the fair. It
> should have--it really should have--but it didn't until it was too
> late. She flew out of the building (we WERE inside a building) and
> spent the next three days in various trees until I got her back. It
> was STUPID of me to bring her to the fair with unclipped
> wings--hindsight is 20-20.
>
> Abby is home safe. I will never risk her again like that. If she
> goes anywhere again she will be clipped, just like everyone else in my
> household is. This is the choice I make for my parrots--it is what I
> feel safe doing.
>
> My stand on free-flight is this--do it at your own risk, learn all you
> can about it before doing it, but don't preach at others for not doing
> the same. Clipped or not, love your parrots for who they are. Do
> what you feel is best for them.
>
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:49:40 -0500, "Kevin"
> <misterjynx@thywillbedone.com> wrote:
>
>>You think it takes guts to come here looking for sympathy and pats on
>>the back saying "it'll be alright"? People don't (can't) see there own
>>*stupidity* before they post about it - and usually not even after it's
>>been pointed out.
>>
>>K
>>
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> Kim/Dreamspinner3
> Visit My Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/
>
Kim,
That was very well said. The bottom line is that only the owner can
make the decision of what is or isn't "right" for our pets. Be they be
birds/parrots, cats, dogs, mice, rats, snakes, etc. Such as wing
clipping, declawing, ear/tail bobbing, etc.
If a person after doing as through a job as is humanly possible to
"baby/bird" proofing one's home. There will almost certanly be SOMETHING
that the owner has overlooked. And IF a bird is allowed to have
unrestricted access to the entire home. THEN something IS going to happen
to either injure or kill said bird.
I was very happy to hear that you were able to get Abbey back, and that
she is safe and sound back at home. As well as appearntly not having
suffered any injury or illness as a result of her short lived "freedom."
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| Liz |
Kim,
Your response to all this was a stand-out in an otherwise sometimes rough
crowd. I applaud your humility and honesty - I wish you and your birds a
long and happy co-existence.
Liz
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| Kimberlee |
Kim,
I am happy that Abby's home to tell of her adventures!
Thank you for sharing...and just ignore the mean folk here.
~Kimberlee
Dreamspinner3 wrote:
> I came her looking for support, yes. Sympathy? Yes and no. I
> learned a very important lesson from Abby's experience and I wanted to
> share it here for others to learn from. Did I do something stupid?
> Well, it depends on your point of view, doesn't it? Looking back, yes
> I did. Prior to Abby's "adventure" I didn't think it was a stupid
> thing to bring her to the fair because she never had tried to fly
> before.
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> Eclectus parrots are very heavy-bodied parrots and Abby is a little
> plump too. Prior to her escape, whenever she tried to "fly" in the
> house she'd drop like a rock to the floor and even cried out once on
> landing so hard. And she rarely ever tried to fly. So I decided to
> let her flights grow out so that she wouldn't hurt her breast bone
> upon landing. All my other parrots are clipped. The only parrot I
> take outside is my Blue & Gold Macaw Captain & he wears a harness in
> addition to being clipped when I take him outside.
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> It didn't occur to me Abby would decide to really fly at the fair. It
> should have--it really should have--but it didn't until it was too
> late. She flew out of the building (we WERE inside a building) and
> spent the next three days in various trees until I got her back. It
> was STUPID of me to bring her to the fair with unclipped
> wings--hindsight is 20-20.
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> Abby is home safe. I will never risk her again like that. If she
> goes anywhere again she will be clipped, just like everyone else in my
> household is. This is the choice I make for my parrots--it is what I
> feel safe doing.
>
> My stand on free-flight is this--do it at your own risk, learn all you
> can about it before doing it, but don't preach at others for not doing
> the same. Clipped or not, love your parrots for who they are. Do
> what you feel is best for them.
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> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:49:40 -0500, "Kevin"
> <misterjynx@thywillbedone.com> wrote:
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>> You think it takes guts to come here looking for sympathy and pats
>> on the back saying "it'll be alright"? People don't (can't) see
>> there own *stupidity* before they post about it - and usually not
>> even after it's been pointed out.
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>> K
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> Kim/Dreamspinner3
> Visit My Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/
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| Jacek Szaniawski |
"Rayzor" <r.sherlnot@virgin.net> wrote:
>Why take a bird outside? It doesnt benefit the bird, it is just a way for
>the owner to show the bird off.
so it can get some UV
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| Roystenvay |
"Jacek Szaniawski" <im@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:ior3p0l3t9e4s46fvirnermgfjjmqmrved@4ax.com...
> "Rayzor" <r.sherlnot@virgin.net> wrote:
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> >Why take a bird outside? It doesnt benefit the bird, it is just a way for
> >the owner to show the bird off.
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> so it can get some UV
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What a piss poor excuse.
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| Jacek Szaniawski |
"Roystenvay" <r.oyston@pigeon.net> wrote:
>> >Why take a bird outside? It doesnt benefit the bird, it is just a way for
>> >the owner to show the bird off.
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>> so it can get some UV
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>What a piss poor excuse.
I've heard from a vet that some UV is good for them
BTW, for all clippers:
If you think you have to clipp, buy a hamster
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| Lady Chatterly |
In article <anb7p0d1jssd4f6ghffdcrkm600ih2paaa@4ax.com> Jacek Szaniawski <im@nothere.com> wrote:
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>I've heard from a vet that some UV is good for them
What do you want to do if you grow up?
>BTW, for all clippers:
> If you think you have to clipp, buy a hamster
Why are you so positive about that?
--
Lady Chatterly
"Oh, hep me. Lady Chatterly's trying to flame me. aaaaah." --
Starshine Moonbeam
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