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| Joy |
Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit?
Thanks joy
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| Wheeler |
NO
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"Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need
grit?
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> Thanks joy
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| Stroud |
On 28-Aug-2004, "Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need
> grit?
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> Thanks joy
If they are American birds they don't but if they live anywhere else in the
world
they do.
Birdman.
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| Gloria Carr |
"Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need
grit?
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> Thanks joy
I've never given any of mine grit, and I've had mine for years. Grit is only
needed by birds who swallow their food whole, such as chickens, geese,
pigeons, etc.
Gloria
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| Rayzorze |
Wheeler wrote:
> NO
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> Bob W
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YES.
Ray.
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| Rayzorze |
Gloria Carr wrote:
> "Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2pa3loFi5fkaU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies
>> need grit?
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>> Thanks joy
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> I've never given any of mine grit, and I've had mine for years. Grit
> is only needed by birds who swallow their food whole, such as
> chickens, geese, pigeons, etc.
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> Gloria
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Wrong.
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| Wheeler |
Ray the question was not "can I give my birds grit", Question was "do they
NEED it" , no they do not need it but then you all do think a bit off about
many things, like animal care, good manners, etc..
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"Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Wheeler wrote:
> > NO
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> > Bob W
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> YES.
> Ray.
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| Rayzorze |
Wheeler wrote:
> Ray the question was not "can I give my birds grit", Question was "do
> they NEED it" , no they do not need it but then you all do think a
> bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners, etc..
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> Bob W
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Your post doesnt make sense Bob. "no they do not need it but then you all
do think a
> bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners, etc"???
They do need it, thats why they have gizzards. It is an American myth that
grit kills.
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| Wheeler |
Ray, you need to learn avian anatomy, Parrots do not have gizzards.
Bob Wheeler
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"Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Wheeler wrote:
> > Ray the question was not "can I give my birds grit", Question was "do
> > they NEED it" , no they do not need it but then you all do think a
> > bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners, etc..
> >
> > Bob W
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> >
> >
> Your post doesnt make sense Bob. "no they do not need it but then you all
> do think a
> > bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners, etc"???
> They do need it, thats why they have gizzards. It is an American myth that
> grit kills.
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| Rayzorze |
What did this mean Bob?........................
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> no they do not need it but then you all do
>>> think a bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners,
>>> etc..
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Manners????
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| Gloria Carr |
"Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Gloria Carr wrote:
> > "Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2pa3loFi5fkaU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies
> >> need grit?
> >>
> >> Thanks joy
> >
> > I've never given any of mine grit, and I've had mine for years. Grit
> > is only needed by birds who swallow their food whole, such as
> > chickens, geese, pigeons, etc.
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> > Gloria
> >
> Wrong.
RIGHT! Ask any avian vet, or bird(zoo)keeper, or anyone else who has had
actual experience with parrots. And even geese can go a long time without
grit, when I was raising nene at MBCC we didn't feed the goslings or their
parents grit because the goslings could become impacted, so the parents went
without for a couple of MONTHS, and did just find.
Gloria
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| Wheeler |
Ray after the past few months around here you really do not need to ask that
question.
Bob Wheeler
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"Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> What did this mean Bob?........................
> >
> > no they do not need it but then you all do
> >>> think a bit off about many things, like animal care, good manners,
> >>> etc..
> >>>
> Manners????
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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| The Artist |
Xref: 127.0.0.1 rec.pets.birds:207634
So....I am confused does that mean budgies and canaries need or do not need
grit?
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"Joy" <joyentwistle@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need
grit?
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> Thanks joy
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| Starlight |
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:50:00 GMT, "The Artist"
<the_artist@talisart.com> wrote:
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>So....I am confused does that mean budgies and canaries need or do not need
>grit?
None of my 5 budgies, including the oldest who is 8 years old, have
ever had grit and all of them did just fine without it.
Budgies are hookbills and crack open their seed to eat so they do NOT
need grit as many of the older bird books write. Grit is needed only
by softbills such as canaries and finches.---
http://www.boaf.com/article_2.htm
Becky
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| Gloria Carr |
"Starlight" <homehealth_rnDELETE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:50:00 GMT, "The Artist"
> <the_artist@talisart.com> wrote:
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> >So....I am confused does that mean budgies and canaries need or do not
need
> >grit?
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> None of my 5 budgies, including the oldest who is 8 years old, have
> ever had grit and all of them did just fine without it.
> Budgies are hookbills and crack open their seed to eat so they do NOT
> need grit as many of the older bird books write. Grit is needed only
> by softbills such as canaries and finches.---
Canaries and finches are not softbills, they are hardbills just like parrots
are. A softbill is a bird like a myna, toucan, or mousebird, and most
softbills will become impacted if fed grit.
Canaries and finches shell their seeds and therefore do not need grit,
although a little bit of oystershell is a good calcium supplement for laying
hens.
Birds that need grit are birds that swallow their food whole, such as doves,
chickens,
pheasants, geese, etc.
Gloria
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| Rayzorze |
Wheeler wrote:
> Ray after the past few months around here you really do not need to
> ask that question.
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> Bob Wheeler
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>Yes I do Bob, your post made no sense at all.
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| Rayzorze |
Starlight wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:50:00 GMT, "The Artist"
> <the_artist@talisart.com> wrote:
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>> So....I am confused does that mean budgies and canaries need or do
>> not need grit?
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> None of my 5 budgies, including the oldest who is 8 years old, have
> ever had grit and all of them did just fine without it.
> Budgies are hookbills and crack open their seed to eat so they do NOT
> need grit as many of the older bird books write. Grit is needed only
> by softbills such as canaries and finches.---
> http://www.boaf.com/article_2.htm
> Becky
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WRONG, softbills dont eat grit. They eat soft food like fruit and insects. I
bet you think they really have soft bills too.
It doesnt matter whether they crack seeds or not, the seed is ground up
inside the birds crop or gizzard with the aid of grit. Birds can live just
as long with or without grit, it is the keepers choice.
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| Rayzorze |
Gloria Carr wrote:
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> RIGHT! Ask any avian vet, or bird(zoo)keeper, or anyone else who has
> had actual experience with parrots. And even geese can go a long time
> without grit, when I was raising nene at MBCC we didn't feed the
> goslings or their parents grit because the goslings could become
> impacted, so the parents went without for a couple of MONTHS, and did
> just find.
>
> Gloria
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RIGHT, ask any vet or bird(zoo)keeper in which country? It is an American
myth that grit kills. You say you didnt feed grit because they "could"
become compacted. What proof do you have that this actually happens? So they
went a couple of MONTHS without, then what?
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| Rayzorze |
Gloria Carr wrote:
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> Canaries and finches are not softbills, they are hardbills just like
> parrots are. A softbill is a bird like a myna, toucan, or mousebird,
> and most softbills will become impacted if fed grit.
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> Canaries and finches shell their seeds and therefore do not need grit,
> although a little bit of oystershell is a good calcium supplement for
> laying hens.
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> Birds that need grit are birds that swallow their food whole, such as
> doves, chickens,
> pheasants, geese, etc.
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> Gloria
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Oystershell is given as an alternative to grit. It does the same job as grit
but is soluble.
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| NaDeana |
No. No matter what part of the world you live in, parrots do not need
grit, it goes against their general biology.
Joy wrote:
> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit?
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> Thanks joy
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| Gloria Carr |
"Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Gloria Carr wrote:
> > >
> > RIGHT! Ask any avian vet, or bird(zoo)keeper, or anyone else who has
> > had actual experience with parrots. And even geese can go a long time
> > without grit, when I was raising nene at MBCC we didn't feed the
> > goslings or their parents grit because the goslings could become
> > impacted, so the parents went without for a couple of MONTHS, and did
> > just find.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> RIGHT, ask any vet or bird(zoo)keeper in which country? It is an American
> myth that grit kills. You say you didnt feed grit because they "could"
> become compacted. What proof do you have that this actually happens?
'Proof?' Honey, I was an intern for a program managed and run by the San
Diego Zoo, which has one of the best aviculture programs in the world! No, I
don't have any 'proof' because I just kind of assumed that they knew what
they were doing. They told me that grit and oystershell caused impactions in
goslings, and I am far more inclined to believe them than you.
So they
> went a couple of MONTHS without, then what?
The goslings got big enough to take grit without a problem and so the
families went back on their normal diet. That's what.
Gloria
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Gloria Carr wrote:
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> 'Proof?' Honey, I was an intern for a program managed and run by the
> San Diego Zoo, which has one of the best aviculture programs in the
> world! No, I don't have any 'proof' because I just kind of assumed
> that they knew what they were doing. They told me that grit and
> oystershell caused impactions in goslings, and I am far more inclined
> to believe them than you.
>
> So they
>> went a couple of MONTHS without, then what?
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> The goslings got big enough to take grit without a problem and so the
> families went back on their normal diet. That's what.
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> Gloria
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Doesnt prove its dangerous does it?
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| Rayzorzz |
NaDeana wrote:
> No. No matter what part of the world you live in, parrots do not need
> grit, it goes against their general biology.
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> Joy wrote:
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>> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies
>> need grit?
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>> Thanks joy
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Why do parrots eat grit and soil in the wild?
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"Rayzorzz" <r.sherlbrain@virgin.net> wrote:
>NaDeana wrote:
>> No. No matter what part of the world you live in, parrots do not need
>> grit, it goes against their general biology.
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>> Joy wrote:
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>>> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies
>>> need grit?
>>>
>>> Thanks joy
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>Why do parrots eat grit and soil in the wild?
Minerals
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