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Jow

Hi there,

I live in Michigan... I met with a breeder last week and decided on a
blue-crowned conure for a new addition to my little flock. I'm really
excited. However, the price these guys quoted me seems really high
compared to most of the other prices I've found online... nearly
double, actually. Can anyone tell me what I should typically expect
to pay for a hand-fed, very well socialized young blue-crown? Thanks
much.

Alex Clayton

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi there,
>
> I live in Michigan... I met with a breeder last week and decided on a
> blue-crowned conure for a new addition to my little flock. I'm really
> excited. However, the price these guys quoted me seems really high
> compared to most of the other prices I've found online... nearly
> double, actually. Can anyone tell me what I should typically expect
> to pay for a hand-fed, very well socialized young blue-crown? Thanks
> much.

The bird will live around 40 years. If it is well tamed and socialized you
should have that many years of joy with it. The price divided by that much
time should seem quite small. If you buy a bird from someone you don't know
and can't see before hand you may well end up with a great deal of trouble.
Be very careful of buying from the net.
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]

Jow

> The bird will live around 40 years. If it is well tamed and socialized you
> should have that many years of joy with it. The price divided by that much
> time should seem quite small. If you buy a bird from someone you don't know
> and can't see before hand you may well end up with a great deal of trouble.
> Be very careful of buying from the net.

I'm not buying from the net, actually. I drove out to meet the
breeder and spent several hours over there talking, asking questions,
and socializing with quite a few different birds. They seem very cool
people and the birds are very well-raised and taken care of.
Considering all that, it's likely worth the price - it just seemed odd
to me that that price was near double everywhere else I looked. :)

Jow

> If you're paying more than $300 anywhere in the U.S. you're
> being overcharged. And that's a retail price at a pet store --
> breeders should be charging substantially less than $300.
>
> Rick

Truth be told, I'm supposed to be paying $550. Their price for a sun
conure is pretty standard, though ($375) and although I've put down a
deposit on the blue-crown that's non-refundable, I'm not locked into
that particular bird. I've got an appointment with them on Friday
this week - I'll bring up the price among the other questions I have
for them. Thanks for the info.

Anonny Moose

pianoharp

Louis Boyd

Anonny Moose wrote:
> my family hates
> it and they rarely visit my house because of it.

That's the best reasons to own a bird I've ever heard.

My BCC is the cuddliest of my birds. Loud? Yes, but not as bad as the
redhead amazon.

Anonny Moose

"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> Anonny Moose wrote:
> > my family hates
> > it and they rarely visit my house because of it.
>
>
> That's the best reasons to own a bird I've ever heard.
>

Good point. I never considered that. :-)

Karen

Alex Clayton

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > If you're paying more than $300 anywhere in the U.S. you're
> > being overcharged. And that's a retail price at a pet store --
> > breeders should be charging substantially less than $300.
> >
> > Rick
>
> Truth be told, I'm supposed to be paying $550. Their price for a sun
> conure is pretty standard, though ($375) and although I've put down a
> deposit on the blue-crown that's non-refundable, I'm not locked into
> that particular bird. I've got an appointment with them on Friday
> this week - I'll bring up the price among the other questions I have
> for them. Thanks for the info.

Price varies widely depending on where you are. The prices at shows are
often lower than at an established business, but if the people are only
there for the show and then gone, what happens if you find out the bird was
sick when you bought it? The Vet bills can quickly eat up that money you
saved. In pet stores up here a BCC goes for $4- 500.00. At shows they can be
half that.
As I said if these are people you can visit and talk to, as opposed to an
ad you read on the net for a bird that would be shipped, buy from the people
you can deal with in person. If the bird is going to be shipped are the
breeders paying shipping? It's expensive to have a bird flown to you. Then
if you get it, take it to your Vet and find you have problems, then what? I
made this mistake once. Cost a lot of money, and worse a lot of heart break
when after many months I had to have a bird I by then loved put down.
As to noise, BCC's "can" be quite loud, but it also can be controlled to
some extent. The most important thing is not teaching the bird to scream.
Many people make this mistake, not just with Conures but with any type of
pet bird that has a voice.
Bottom line, if you can find a BCC for $200.00 less, but can't see the
bird, and meet the people selling it, do you really want to risk the
potential problems for that $200.00?
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]

Jow

Hey there. I currently own a cockatiel and a parakeet. I've been
interested in the idea of adding another, somewhat bigger, bird to the
flock for a while and after my Mom just died recently, I decided it
was time to get something a little more affectionate into the house
with me. I originally considered a sun, but after talking with the
breeder decided that despite the more beautiful appearance of the sun,
I liked the idea of the comparatively subdued, better talking
blue-crowned and decided on that. Am hoping he doesn't turn out to be
a noisy fiend like yours apparently did - feel better in that not
everyone I've talked to that owns blue crowns has had that same
experience.

"Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message news:<10fqaroqper61a1@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407200426.6655df56@posting.google.com...
> > > If you're paying more than $300 anywhere in the U.S. you're
> > > being overcharged. And that's a retail price at a pet store --
> > > breeders should be charging substantially less than $300.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> > Truth be told, I'm supposed to be paying $550. Their price for a sun
> > conure is pretty standard, though ($375) and although I've put down a
> > deposit on the blue-crown that's non-refundable, I'm not locked into
> > that particular bird. I've got an appointment with them on Friday
> > this week - I'll bring up the price among the other questions I have
> > for them. Thanks for the info.
>
> That's about the price I paid for a blue crown in Alaska a number of years
> ago. Why, may I ask, do you want a blue crown conure and what other birds do
> you have? A word of warning - my experience is that the bcc is one noisy
> bird. Mine is a clever little guy and pretty darn smart, but his voice is
> shrill, loud and the noise is constant. The only time there is quite in my
> house is when he sleeps. After 7 years my nerves are frayed, my family hates
> it and they rarely visit my house because of it. I'd definitely not do
> another conure of any type.
>
> Karen

Jow

This breeder is pretty local, about 45 minutes away. I've already met
and handled the bird I was intending to take home and he seems
wonderful.

The alternative? Finding another breeder somewhere, obviously.
I don't think I'd ever buy a bird sight unseen, as I want to check out
the breeder pretty carefully before deciding to buy from them, so that
doesn't leave me a lot of options other than waiting for a bird show.
However, I also don't really care for the idea that I'm being charged
a higher price for this bird than I've seen ANYWHERE else, including
other private breeders. Dilemma.

> Price varies widely depending on where you are. The prices at shows are
> often lower than at an established business, but if the people are only
> there for the show and then gone, what happens if you find out the bird was
> sick when you bought it? The Vet bills can quickly eat up that money you
> saved. In pet stores up here a BCC goes for $4- 500.00. At shows they can be
> half that.
> As I said if these are people you can visit and talk to, as opposed to an
> ad you read on the net for a bird that would be shipped, buy from the people
> you can deal with in person. If the bird is going to be shipped are the
> breeders paying shipping? It's expensive to have a bird flown to you. Then
> if you get it, take it to your Vet and find you have problems, then what? I
> made this mistake once. Cost a lot of money, and worse a lot of heart break
> when after many months I had to have a bird I by then loved put down.
> As to noise, BCC's "can" be quite loud, but it also can be controlled to
> some extent. The most important thing is not teaching the bird to scream.
> Many people make this mistake, not just with Conures but with any type of
> pet bird that has a voice.
> Bottom line, if you can find a BCC for $200.00 less, but can't see the
> bird, and meet the people selling it, do you really want to risk the
> potential problems for that $200.00?

Alex Clayton

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This breeder is pretty local, about 45 minutes away. I've already met
> and handled the bird I was intending to take home and he seems
> wonderful.
>
> The alternative? Finding another breeder somewhere, obviously.
> I don't think I'd ever buy a bird sight unseen, as I want to check out
> the breeder pretty carefully before deciding to buy from them, so that
> doesn't leave me a lot of options other than waiting for a bird show.
> However, I also don't really care for the idea that I'm being charged
> a higher price for this bird than I've seen ANYWHERE else, including
> other private breeders. Dilemma.
>

Ok but you said you were seeing other BCC's at lower prices on the net.
That's what made me worry you were tempted to buy from someone you never
met. Now you say "wait for a show", which means buying from someone you do
not know.
Do you have any idea what goes into hand rearing a baby bird the right
way? The people who do this, and do it right, are not "cleaning up", they
work for nothing but the love. One of the local pet stores here has very
high prices on their birds, but they have a great breeder they work with.
There is a BIG difference between a well tamed, socialized bird, and a
semi wild or poorly raised one. BCC's "can" be a great pet. Very
intelligent, very out going, BUT if you get one that was not well
socialized, or has behavior problems, you will pay the price. If there are
other breeders, who you can visit, that have birds you can handle for less
why are you even here asking? Buy form someone else. Depending on how old
you are the bird will be with you for most, if not the rest of your life.
You are sounding like you really should consider not buying any more birds.
If all you are concerned about is you may save $100.00 on an animal that
lives 40 + years, what are you going to do when the bird needs Vet care?
It is sounding like the best thing you could do is just stick with the
birds you have.
I have a BCC I bought when he was about 4 years old and was semi wild. He
was one hell of a hand full. He is a great pet, but it took a lot of work,
and if I had it to do over again would have gladly paid twice as much and
get a well socialized bird. I could have saved a lot of blood. When I bought
my Macaw I paid over $1400.00 for him. I could have found one for about
$800.00 if I was willing to wait, but he was a great bird, raised by great
people, and he will out live me. If you think the initial cost of buying a
bird is too much, stick with the birds you have, the cost of buying the bird
is nothing compared to what they cost thru the years.
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]

Anonny Moose

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Am hoping he doesn't turn out to be
> a noisy fiend like yours apparently did ->

Have you thought about what you'll do if it does, though?

Karen

Jimmy

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407191953.f1ae2d9@posting.google.com...
>
> The bird will live around 40 years. If it is well tamed and socialized you
> should have that many years of joy with it. The price divided by that much
> time should seem quite small.

So less than $150/yr makes a $10,000 hyacinth macaw really inexpensive.

> If you buy a bird from someone you don't know
> and can't see before hand you may well end up with a great deal of
trouble.
> Be very careful of buying from the net.
> --

Talking through your ass again? He stated that he 'has met with' somebody.

--
James

Jimmy

"Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407200426.6655df56@posting.google.com...
> > > If you're paying more than $300 anywhere in the U.S. you're
> > > being overcharged. And that's a retail price at a pet store --
> > > breeders should be charging substantially less than $300.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> > Truth be told, I'm supposed to be paying $550. Their price for a sun
> > conure is pretty standard, though ($375) and although I've put down a
> > deposit on the blue-crown that's non-refundable, I'm not locked into
> > that particular bird. I've got an appointment with them on Friday
> > this week - I'll bring up the price among the other questions I have
> > for them. Thanks for the info.
>
> That's about the price I paid for a blue crown in Alaska a number of years
> ago. Why, may I ask, do you want a blue crown conure and what other birds
do
> you have? A word of warning - my experience is that the bcc is one noisy
> bird. Mine is a clever little guy and pretty darn smart, but his voice is
> shrill, loud and the noise is constant. The only time there is quite in my
> house is when he sleeps. After 7 years my nerves are frayed, my family
hates
> it and they rarely visit my house because of it. I'd definitely not do
> another conure of any type.
>
> Karen
>
>

My experince with my bcc is contrary to yours. He was wild-caught and very
noisy when I first brought him home. But after just a little time he
stopped being so noisy and after a couple of years he stopped all of the
unnecessary screaming. Now, after twelve years, he makes a lot of noise at
feeding time and when strangers enter the room.

--
James

Jimmy

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> As I said if these are people you can visit and talk to, as opposed to
an
> ad you read on the net for a bird that would be shipped, buy from the
people
> you can deal with in person. If the bird is going to be shipped are the
> breeders paying shipping? It's expensive to have a bird flown to you.

Damn you're slow alex.

--
James

Jim

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407201559.2adfa75@posting.google.com...
> > This breeder is pretty local, about 45 minutes away. I've already met
> > and handled the bird I was intending to take home and he seems
> > wonderful.
> >
> > The alternative? Finding another breeder somewhere, obviously.
> > I don't think I'd ever buy a bird sight unseen, as I want to check out
> > the breeder pretty carefully before deciding to buy from them, so that
> > doesn't leave me a lot of options other than waiting for a bird show.
> > However, I also don't really care for the idea that I'm being charged
> > a higher price for this bird than I've seen ANYWHERE else, including
> > other private breeders. Dilemma.
> >
>
>
> Ok but you said you were seeing other BCC's at lower prices on the net.
> That's what made me worry you were tempted to buy from someone you never
> met. Now you say "wait for a show", which means buying from someone you do
> not know.

Or it could simply mean meeting another breeder in the area that could
potentially have the right bird.

> Do you have any idea what goes into hand rearing a baby bird the right
> way? The people who do this, and do it right, are not "cleaning up", they
> work for nothing but the love.

Bull****.

> There is a BIG difference between a well tamed, socialized bird, and a
> semi wild or poorly raised one. BCC's "can" be a great pet. Very
> intelligent, very out going, BUT if you get one that was not well
> socialized, or has behavior problems, you will pay the price. If there are
> other breeders, who you can visit, that have birds you can handle for less
> why are you even here asking? Buy form someone else. Depending on how old
> you are the bird will be with you for most, if not the rest of your life.
> You are sounding like you really should consider not buying any more
birds.
> If all you are concerned about is you may save $100.00 on an animal that
> lives 40 + years, what are you going to do when the bird needs Vet care?
> It is sounding like the best thing you could do is just stick with the
> birds you have.

Preach preach preach. You have become very good at vomiting up all the
information that has been spewed out in this group over the years.

> I have a BCC I bought when he was about 4 years old and was semi wild.
He
> was one hell of a hand full. He is a great pet, but it took a lot of work,
> and if I had it to do over again would have gladly paid twice as much and
> get a well socialized bird. I could have saved a lot of blood. When I
bought
> my Macaw I paid over $1400.00 for him. I could have found one for about
> $800.00 if I was willing to wait, but he was a great bird, raised by great

and you were being too impulsive and couldn't wait to replace the one that
had died

> people, and he will out live me. If you think the initial cost of buying a
> bird is too much, stick with the birds you have, the cost of buying the
bird
> is nothing compared to what they cost thru the years.

you've turned into a bigger woman than wheeler.

--
James

Jimmy

"pianoharp" <no replies pianoharp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407191953.f1ae2d9@posting.google.com...
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I live in Michigan... I met with a breeder last week and decided on a
> > blue-crowned conure for a new addition to my little flock. I'm really
> > excited. However, the price these guys quoted me seems really high
> > compared to most of the other prices I've found online... nearly
> > double, actually. Can anyone tell me what I should typically expect
> > to pay for a hand-fed, very well socialized young blue-crown? Thanks
> > much.
>
> Don't know about the Conures, but if you pay for the socialization as well
> as hand-feeding.
>
> Just a thought
>
>

Just an unfinished thought

--
James

Toucanldy

>From: "Jim" freebirds@rethe.bestbirds

>you've turned into a bigger woman than wheeler.

You've turned into an AS (Arnold Schwarzenegger)

Regards

Alex Clayton

"Toucanldy" <toucanldy@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> >From: "Jim" freebirds@rethe.bestbirds
>
> >you've turned into a bigger woman than wheeler.
>
> You've turned into an AS (Arnold Schwarzenegger)
>
> Regards

LOL, I think you're being way to hard on Arnold to compare him to some troll
who is constantly screaming for people to pay attention to him aren't you?
<VBG>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]

Wheeler

Mick, hey Mick is that your floppy ass, bite me and please fake your death
again, life was ever so peaceful when you were laid to rest.

Wheeler-"a manly man"

--
Check out our web site,
A few new features and new pictures.
http://www.onemorebird.com/

"Jim" <freebirds@rethe.bestbirds> wrote in message
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>
> you've turned into a bigger woman than wheeler.
>
>
> --
> James
>
>

Jow

I'm learning about this stuff as I go. I've never bred birds before,
so I obviously don't know how much dedication and time it really
takes, but from what exposure I've had I've a bit of an idea of the
care, love, AND time these people invest. My post may have come
across as a complaint, but it really wasn't intended that way. I
certainly don't think these people are trying to "clean up" or pull
one over on me.

Furthermore, this thing about there being other breeders I can
visit and why am I here asking... I really think you're
misunderstanding the entire point of this post, Alex. I'm making what
I consider to be a major purchase and I'm not doing so without doing
my homework. If someone wants to charge me a higher price for this
purchase than anyone else I've come in contact with, I really want to
get an idea why they're doing so. The reason I'm here asking, if it
wasn't pretty apparent, is that I LIKE these people and would be happy
to buy from them, but I wanted to get a better idea of the typical
going price for this type of bird and possibly share in others'
experiences. Like I said, I'm learning as I go. I'd have appreciated
the wisdom you're trying to impart in the last paragraph a bit more if
you didn't assume I was approaching this from a "tightass"
perspective.

> Ok but you said you were seeing other BCC's at lower prices on the net.
> That's what made me worry you were tempted to buy from someone you never
> met. Now you say "wait for a show", which means buying from someone you do
> not know.
> Do you have any idea what goes into hand rearing a baby bird the right
> way? The people who do this, and do it right, are not "cleaning up", they
> work for nothing but the love. One of the local pet stores here has very
> high prices on their birds, but they have a great breeder they work with.
> There is a BIG difference between a well tamed, socialized bird, and a
> semi wild or poorly raised one. BCC's "can" be a great pet. Very
> intelligent, very out going, BUT if you get one that was not well
> socialized, or has behavior problems, you will pay the price. If there are
> other breeders, who you can visit, that have birds you can handle for less
> why are you even here asking? Buy form someone else. Depending on how old
> you are the bird will be with you for most, if not the rest of your life.
> You are sounding like you really should consider not buying any more birds.
> If all you are concerned about is you may save $100.00 on an animal that
> lives 40 + years, what are you going to do when the bird needs Vet care?
> It is sounding like the best thing you could do is just stick with the
> birds you have.
> I have a BCC I bought when he was about 4 years old and was semi wild. He
> was one hell of a hand full. He is a great pet, but it took a lot of work,
> and if I had it to do over again would have gladly paid twice as much and
> get a well socialized bird. I could have saved a lot of blood. When I bought
> my Macaw I paid over $1400.00 for him. I could have found one for about
> $800.00 if I was willing to wait, but he was a great bird, raised by great
> people, and he will out live me. If you think the initial cost of buying a
> bird is too much, stick with the birds you have, the cost of buying the bird
> is nothing compared to what they cost thru the years.

Alex Clayton

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm learning about this stuff as I go. I've never bred birds before,
> so I obviously don't know how much dedication and time it really
> takes, but from what exposure I've had I've a bit of an idea of the
> care, love, AND time these people invest. My post may have come
> across as a complaint, but it really wasn't intended that way. I
> certainly don't think these people are trying to "clean up" or pull
> one over on me.
>
> Furthermore, this thing about there being other breeders I can
> visit and why am I here asking... I really think you're
> misunderstanding the entire point of this post, Alex. I'm making what
> I consider to be a major purchase and I'm not doing so without doing
> my homework. If someone wants to charge me a higher price for this
> purchase than anyone else I've come in contact with, I really want to
> get an idea why they're doing so. The reason I'm here asking, if it
> wasn't pretty apparent, is that I LIKE these people and would be happy
> to buy from them, but I wanted to get a better idea of the typical
> going price for this type of bird and possibly share in others'
> experiences. Like I said, I'm learning as I go. I'd have appreciated
> the wisdom you're trying to impart in the last paragraph a bit more if
> you didn't assume I was approaching this from a "tightass"
> perspective.
>

Ok, it's good you are trying to learn before you buy another bird. Just want
to make sure you understand the initial outlay is a very small part of
having a pet like you are considering, since it should be with you for most
if not the rest of your life. If there are other people you know, can visit,
and trust, that offer a better price, go for it. I just worry about people
making statements about "price on the net" about a pet bird. Whoever you
decide to buy from you need a heath guarantee. Any reputable dealer /
breeder will give you in writing, time to take the new bird to a vet of your
choice, and at your expense get the bird tested. Since you already have
other birds, this is VERY important. You have not lived till you have had to
try to force medicine down a birds throat twice a day for 10 days. You never
want to have to do it again, and if you take on a sick bird, and don't find
out right away you may be doing this with all your birds, so be careful.

Alex Clayton

LOL, Bob, you are in the business of dealing with people who have "issues"
of the head, so you should know he is screaming for the attention he feels
he did not get from Mommy or whatever, so you feeding him will just make him
scream louder since he is getting what he wants, more "please please,
please, pay attention to me!!!!"

"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> Mick, hey Mick is that your floppy ass, bite me and please fake your death
> again, life was ever so peaceful when you were laid to rest.
>
> Wheeler-"a manly man"
>
> --
> Check out our web site,
> A few new features and new pictures.
> http://www.onemorebird.com/
>
>

Wheeler

Really, is that what is going on. When I am on line I am not what I am when
I am not on line so I don't deal with issues of the mentally ill here.
Lower tolorance levels. :>(

Bob W

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"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> LOL, Bob, you are in the business of dealing with people who have "issues"
> of the head, so you should know he is screaming for the attention he feels
> he did not get from Mommy or whatever, so you feeding him will just make
him
> scream louder since he is getting what he wants, more "please please,
> please, pay attention to me!!!!"
>
> "Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:10ft3g2715v827e@corp.supernews.com...
> > Mick, hey Mick is that your floppy ass, bite me and please fake your
death
> > again, life was ever so peaceful when you were laid to rest.
> >
> > Wheeler-"a manly man"
> >
> > --
> > Check out our web site,
> > A few new features and new pictures.
> > http://www.onemorebird.com/
> >
> >
>
>

Kimberlee

Karen,
I'm in Fairbanks; where are you?
~Kimberlee

"Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:cdjdsm$qj8$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > Anonny Moose wrote:
> > > my family hates
> > > it and they rarely visit my house because of it.
> >
> >
> > That's the best reasons to own a bird I've ever heard.
> >
>
>
> Good point. I never considered that. :-)
>
> Karen
>
>

Kimberlee

I thought that the articles on vocalizations in this link were very
interesting.
http://www.parrothouse.com/sfbio.ht...%20Sam%20Foster
~Kimberlee

Kimberlee

More important than the $200, IMO, is the heartache of parting with a bird
you have chosen and for which you are now responsible.
That's a huge part of any pet-making decision in our home.
~Kimberlee

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bottom line, if you can find a BCC for $200.00 less, but can't see the
> bird, and meet the people selling it, do you really want to risk the
> potential problems for that $200.00?
> --
> "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> Moderation is for monks."
> [Lazarus Long]
>
>

Anonny Moose

Kimberlee, I'm in the Portland area now but moved from the Mat-Su Valleys
five or six years ago. Lived in south central for 25 years - Girdwood, Bird
Creek, Anchorage and Wasilla. Sure do miss it! I hear fire season is pretty
bad up your way this year.
Karen

"Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40ff33c1$1@news.acsalaska.net...
> Karen,
> I'm in Fairbanks; where are you?
> ~Kimberlee
>
>
> "Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
> news:10fqioo9cbros97@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> > news:cdjdsm$qj8$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > > Anonny Moose wrote:
> > > > my family hates
> > > > it and they rarely visit my house because of it.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the best reasons to own a bird I've ever heard.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Good point. I never considered that. :-)
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
>
>

Kimberlee

There wasn't anything in Alex's post that caused alarm bells for me.
Matter of fact, he had good food for thought, and I was considering posting
along the same lines.
Gee...guess that makes 2 of us who are just spouting.
~Kimberlee

"Jim" <freebirds@rethe.bestbirds> wrote in message
news:_6nLc.59591$5Y.43577@cyclops.nntpserver.com...
>
> "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kZjLc.8659$mL5.1222@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd9cf3e0.0407201559.2adfa75@posting.google.com...
> > > This breeder is pretty local, about 45 minutes away. I've already met
> > > and handled the bird I was intending to take home and he seems
> > > wonderful.
> > >
> > > The alternative? Finding another breeder somewhere, obviously.
> > > I don't think I'd ever buy a bird sight unseen, as I want to check out
> > > the breeder pretty carefully before deciding to buy from them, so that
> > > doesn't leave me a lot of options other than waiting for a bird show.
> > > However, I also don't really care for the idea that I'm being charged
> > > a higher price for this bird than I've seen ANYWHERE else, including
> > > other private breeders. Dilemma.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Ok but you said you were seeing other BCC's at lower prices on the net.
> > That's what made me worry you were tempted to buy from someone you never
> > met. Now you say "wait for a show", which means buying from someone you
do
> > not know.
>
> Or it could simply mean meeting another breeder in the area that could
> potentially have the right bird.
>
> > Do you have any idea what goes into hand rearing a baby bird the
right
> > way? The people who do this, and do it right, are not "cleaning up",
they
> > work for nothing but the love.
>
> Bull****.
>
>
> > There is a BIG difference between a well tamed, socialized bird, and
a
> > semi wild or poorly raised one. BCC's "can" be a great pet. Very
> > intelligent, very out going, BUT if you get one that was not well
> > socialized, or has behavior problems, you will pay the price. If there
are
> > other breeders, who you can visit, that have birds you can handle for
less
> > why are you even here asking? Buy form someone else. Depending on how
old
> > you are the bird will be with you for most, if not the rest of your
life.
> > You are sounding like you really should consider not buying any more
> birds.
> > If all you are concerned about is you may save $100.00 on an animal that
> > lives 40 + years, what are you going to do when the bird needs Vet care?
> > It is sounding like the best thing you could do is just stick with the
> > birds you have.
>
> Preach preach preach. You have become very good at vomiting up all the
> information that has been spewed out in this group over the years.
>
>
> > I have a BCC I bought when he was about 4 years old and was semi wild.
> He
> > was one hell of a hand full. He is a great pet, but it took a lot of
work,
> > and if I had it to do over again would have gladly paid twice as much
and
> > get a well socialized bird. I could have saved a lot of blood. When I
> bought
> > my Macaw I paid over $1400.00 for him. I could have found one for about
> > $800.00 if I was willing to wait, but he was a great bird, raised by
great
>
> and you were being too impulsive and couldn't wait to replace the one that
> had died
>
> > people, and he will out live me. If you think the initial cost of buying
a
> > bird is too much, stick with the birds you have, the cost of buying the
> bird
> > is nothing compared to what they cost thru the years.
>
> you've turned into a bigger woman than wheeler.
>
>
> --
> James
>
>

Kimberlee

Go with your gut.
If you like the breeders, they're the ones for you to work with, even if
they are more pricey.
Some breeders pay more money for higher quality food; more money for quality
cages and environment; more money for bird supplies and toys. That could be
a reflection of why your new bird is more pricey than some others. I've
known lots of breeders, all of whom truly loved their birds. The quality of
their birds was superior to others who were just a breeder farm. A bird
from a good home is worth the extra bucks!
~Kimberlee

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm learning about this stuff as I go. I've never bred birds before,
> so I obviously don't know how much dedication and time it really
> takes, but from what exposure I've had I've a bit of an idea of the
> care, love, AND time these people invest. My post may have come
> across as a complaint, but it really wasn't intended that way. I
> certainly don't think these people are trying to "clean up" or pull
> one over on me.
>
> Furthermore, this thing about there being other breeders I can
> visit and why am I here asking... I really think you're
> misunderstanding the entire point of this post, Alex. I'm making what
> I consider to be a major purchase and I'm not doing so without doing
> my homework. If someone wants to charge me a higher price for this
> purchase than anyone else I've come in contact with, I really want to
> get an idea why they're doing so. The reason I'm here asking, if it
> wasn't pretty apparent, is that I LIKE these people and would be happy
> to buy from them, but I wanted to get a better idea of the typical
> going price for this type of bird and possibly share in others'
> experiences. Like I said, I'm learning as I go. I'd have appreciated
> the wisdom you're trying to impart in the last paragraph a bit more if
> you didn't assume I was approaching this from a "tightass"
> perspective.
>
> > Ok but you said you were seeing other BCC's at lower prices on the net.
> > That's what made me worry you were tempted to buy from someone you never
> > met. Now you say "wait for a show", which means buying from someone you
do
> > not know.
> > Do you have any idea what goes into hand rearing a baby bird the
right
> > way? The people who do this, and do it right, are not "cleaning up",
they
> > work for nothing but the love. One of the local pet stores here has very
> > high prices on their birds, but they have a great breeder they work
with.
> > There is a BIG difference between a well tamed, socialized bird, and
a
> > semi wild or poorly raised one. BCC's "can" be a great pet. Very
> > intelligent, very out going, BUT if you get one that was not well
> > socialized, or has behavior problems, you will pay the price. If there
are
> > other breeders, who you can visit, that have birds you can handle for
less
> > why are you even here asking? Buy form someone else. Depending on how
old
> > you are the bird will be with you for most, if not the rest of your
life.
> > You are sounding like you really should consider not buying any more
birds.
> > If all you are concerned about is you may save $100.00 on an animal that
> > lives 40 + years, what are you going to do when the bird needs Vet care?
> > It is sounding like the best thing you could do is just stick with the
> > birds you have.
> > I have a BCC I bought when he was about 4 years old and was semi wild.
He
> > was one hell of a hand full. He is a great pet, but it took a lot of
work,
> > and if I had it to do over again would have gladly paid twice as much
and
> > get a well socialized bird. I could have saved a lot of blood. When I
bought
> > my Macaw I paid over $1400.00 for him. I could have found one for about
> > $800.00 if I was willing to wait, but he was a great bird, raised by
great
> > people, and he will out live me. If you think the initial cost of buying
a
> > bird is too much, stick with the birds you have, the cost of buying the
bird
> > is nothing compared to what they cost thru the years.

Kimberlee

Good thought! It's worth the bucks to avoid the bandaids, bruises, and
embarrassing answers to questions, left by a non-socialized birdie!
~Kimberlee

"pianoharp" <no replies pianoharp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407191953.f1ae2d9@posting.google.com...
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I live in Michigan... I met with a breeder last week and decided on a
> > blue-crowned conure for a new addition to my little flock. I'm really
> > excited. However, the price these guys quoted me seems really high
> > compared to most of the other prices I've found online... nearly
> > double, actually. Can anyone tell me what I should typically expect
> > to pay for a hand-fed, very well socialized young blue-crown? Thanks
> > much.
>
> Don't know about the Conures, but if you pay for the socialization as well
> as hand-feeding.
>
> Just a thought
>
>

Alex Clayton

"Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40ff35a8$1@news.acsalaska.net...
> There wasn't anything in Alex's post that caused alarm bells for me.
> Matter of fact, he had good food for thought, and I was considering
posting
> along the same lines.
> Gee...guess that makes 2 of us who are just spouting.
> ~Kimberlee
>
>
>
> "Jim" wrote in message

This is a troll who's been here for years. At one time he actually used to
be funny, but he long ago went off the deep end. Now he daily changes his
headers in a desperate attempt to get people to pay attention to him. Don't
look for anything he says to make sense. <G>

Kimberlee

<<Gasp>> Oh, just a few (million) acres burned.
Yesterday was a pretty good breathing day; today looks like it's going to be
bad again.
I love Girdwood and the Mat-Su valley. We've thought of moving to Palmer;
it's a beautiful community, but I'm not too sure I could tolerate the cold
wind without fussing too much!!!

Don't like Portland--I get lost trying to drive there <grin>
~Kimberlee

"Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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> Kimberlee, I'm in the Portland area now but moved from the Mat-Su Valleys
> five or six years ago. Lived in south central for 25 years - Girdwood,
Bird
> Creek, Anchorage and Wasilla. Sure do miss it! I hear fire season is
pretty
> bad up your way this year.
> Karen
>
> "Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:40ff33c1$1@news.acsalaska.net...
> > Karen,
> > I'm in Fairbanks; where are you?
> > ~Kimberlee
> >
> >
> > "Anonny Moose" <nospam@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
> > news:10fqioo9cbros97@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:cdjdsm$qj8$1@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > > > Anonny Moose wrote:
> > > > > my family hates
> > > > > it and they rarely visit my house because of it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's the best reasons to own a bird I've ever heard.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good point. I never considered that. :-)
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Kimberlee

<<Sigh>> 'Nother Troll. Oh, well.
~Kimblee

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9LHLc.9744$mL5.4191@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Kimberlee" <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:40ff35a8$1@news.acsalaska.net...
> > There wasn't anything in Alex's post that caused alarm bells for me.
> > Matter of fact, he had good food for thought, and I was considering
> posting
> > along the same lines.
> > Gee...guess that makes 2 of us who are just spouting.
> > ~Kimberlee
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jim" wrote in message
>
> This is a troll who's been here for years. At one time he actually used to
> be funny, but he long ago went off the deep end. Now he daily changes his
> headers in a desperate attempt to get people to pay attention to him.
Don't
> look for anything he says to make sense. <G>
>
>

Jow

Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<hVxLc.9214$mL5.3539@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fd9cf3e0.0407210832.28c81bd3@posting.google.com...
> > I'm learning about this stuff as I go. I've never bred birds before,
> > so I obviously don't know how much dedication and time it really
> > takes, but from what exposure I've had I've a bit of an idea of the
> > care, love, AND time these people invest. My post may have come
> > across as a complaint, but it really wasn't intended that way. I
> > certainly don't think these people are trying to "clean up" or pull
> > one over on me.
> >
> > Furthermore, this thing about there being other breeders I can
> > visit and why am I here asking... I really think you're
> > misunderstanding the entire point of this post, Alex. I'm making what
> > I consider to be a major purchase and I'm not doing so without doing
> > my homework. If someone wants to charge me a higher price for this
> > purchase than anyone else I've come in contact with, I really want to
> > get an idea why they're doing so. The reason I'm here asking, if it
> > wasn't pretty apparent, is that I LIKE these people and would be happy
> > to buy from them, but I wanted to get a better idea of the typical
> > going price for this type of bird and possibly share in others'
> > experiences. Like I said, I'm learning as I go. I'd have appreciated
> > the wisdom you're trying to impart in the last paragraph a bit more if
> > you didn't assume I was approaching this from a "tightass"
> > perspective.
> >
>
> Ok, it's good you are trying to learn before you buy another bird. Just want
> to make sure you understand the initial outlay is a very small part of
> having a pet like you are considering, since it should be with you for most
> if not the rest of your life. If there are other people you know, can visit,
> and trust, that offer a better price, go for it. I just worry about people
> making statements about "price on the net" about a pet bird. Whoever you
> decide to buy from you need a heath guarantee. Any reputable dealer /
> breeder will give you in writing, time to take the new bird to a vet of your
> choice, and at your expense get the bird tested. Since you already have
> other birds, this is VERY important. You have not lived till you have had to
> try to force medicine down a birds throat twice a day for 10 days. You never
> want to have to do it again, and if you take on a sick bird, and don't find
> out right away you may be doing this with all your birds, so be careful.

Louis Boyd

Jow wrote:
> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.

Personally I would not buy a bird which has had it's wings clipped.
From my experience flighted parrots make better companions. They have
more confidence so it's easier to gain their trust. If they don't learn
to fly when they're young they never will. In my opinion there is
nothing cute about a clipped bird. It's sad.

Wheeler

Personally I would never buy a companion bird who was fully flighted. From
my experience trimmed birds make better companions. There is little
difficulty developing trust and if their feathers do grow out I can either
allow them to fly or trim them again. In my opinion there is nothing cute
about a bird who flies out an open door and is ripped to pieces by a roaming
hawk.

Really, po-ta-toe,, yada yada yada.

Bob W
(oh and I have worked with more than a few birds who indeed "learned" to fly
after being clipped for eons. Enough to venture an opinion that maybe it is
more instinct than education)

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"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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> Jow wrote:
> > Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
> > health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
> > further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
> > birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
> > first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.
>
> Personally I would not buy a bird which has had it's wings clipped.
> From my experience flighted parrots make better companions. They have
> more confidence so it's easier to gain their trust. If they don't learn
> to fly when they're young they never will. In my opinion there is
> nothing cute about a clipped bird. It's sad.
>
>

dkrug

Wheeler wrote:

> Personally I would never buy a companion bird who was fully flighted. From
> my experience trimmed birds make better companions. There is little
> difficulty developing trust and if their feathers do grow out I can either
> allow them to fly or trim them again. In my opinion there is nothing cute
> about a bird who flies out an open door and is ripped to pieces by a roaming
> hawk.
>
> Really, po-ta-toe,, yada yada yada.
>
> Bob W
> (oh and I have worked with more than a few birds who indeed "learned" to fly
> after being clipped for eons. Enough to venture an opinion that maybe it is
> more instinct than education)
>
My birds are currently flighted. The grey was allowed to learn to fly at
the breeders but her wings were clipped before I brought her home. I
have no idea about the U2's history but came to me clipped (at 10 yrs)
She is flighted now and flies to be with me. The grey almost never
flies. I think instinct . After all, birds are pretty much "hard-wired"
to fly. MHO
Debbie, Dusty (cag) and Casperella (u2)

Alex Clayton

"dkrug" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:TZGdnSntY7ayZGLdRVn-ug@casscity.net...
> Wheeler wrote:
>
> > Personally I would never buy a companion bird who was fully flighted.
From
> > my experience trimmed birds make better companions. There is little
> > difficulty developing trust and if their feathers do grow out I can
either
> > allow them to fly or trim them again. In my opinion there is nothing
cute
> > about a bird who flies out an open door and is ripped to pieces by a
roaming
> > hawk.
> >
> > Really, po-ta-toe,, yada yada yada.
> >
> > Bob W
> > (oh and I have worked with more than a few birds who indeed "learned" to
fly
> > after being clipped for eons. Enough to venture an opinion that maybe
it is
> > more instinct than education)
> >
> My birds are currently flighted. The grey was allowed to learn to fly at
> the breeders but her wings were clipped before I brought her home. I
> have no idea about the U2's history but came to me clipped (at 10 yrs)
> She is flighted now and flies to be with me. The grey almost never
> flies. I think instinct . After all, birds are pretty much "hard-wired"
> to fly. MHO
> Debbie, Dusty (cag) and Casperella (u2)

LOL, nothing except maybe Teflon can get so many people going as wing
clipping. My BCC who just flew to the back of the house and landed on me was
not able to fly for the first 4 years of his life. When the kids were young
I always kept him clipped, as I did not trust them. I last winter let him
have all his wings and he is very good about it, does not crash. This spring
I did a light clip to slow him down and he does fine.
Now the Macaw is another story. He is just too big to be allowed flight
inside the house. While Lou has enjoyed allowing his birds free flight he
has had close calls also. The Macaw has what he seems to think is a great
life, and is according to his Doc in great shape. If you do not have kids,
and can and will bird proof your house there is certainly nothing wrong with
having birds flighted, but if they are well cared for there is certainly
nothing wrong with a clipped pet bird, they do great.

Alex Clayton

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fd9cf3e0.0407220820.254ce477@posting.google.com...
> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.
>

These are the kind of things that make it sound to me like the breeder you
are looking at may well be worth the price they charge even if it is higher.
There is nothing like a WELL raised baby bird. I love my BCC to death, but
he will probably never be the pet he could be because of how he was raised.
He likes me, and tolerates me, but that's about it. When I have handled well
raised and socialized Conures there is a BIG difference.

dkrug

Alex Clayton wrote:

>
>
> LOL, nothing except maybe Teflon can get so many people going as wing
> clipping. My BCC who just flew to the back of the house and landed on me was
> not able to fly for the first 4 years of his life. When the kids were young
> I always kept him clipped, as I did not trust them. I last winter let him
> have all his wings and he is very good about it, does not crash. This spring
> I did a light clip to slow him down and he does fine.
> Now the Macaw is another story. He is just too big to be allowed flight
> inside the house. While Lou has enjoyed allowing his birds free flight he
> has had close calls also. The Macaw has what he seems to think is a great
> life, and is according to his Doc in great shape. If you do not have kids,
> and can and will bird proof your house there is certainly nothing wrong with
> having birds flighted, but if they are well cared for there is certainly
> nothing wrong with a clipped pet bird, they do great.
>
>
Yep, touchy subject. I am thinking I might need to clip again, though.
My birds don't fly willy nilly through the house, even though they are
not caged most of the time. The trouble is remembering a bird is on the
shoulder. My husband was on the phone with Rella on his shoulder and he
started to walk out the door to look at something. I stopped him and
pointed at the bird. He had forgotten. Plus our house has a very "open"
flor plan and with the warmer temps I like to have all my ceiling fans
going.Also, when the girls are clipped they can sit on the porch with us.
Debbie

waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett

On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:

><(((*> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
><(((*> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
><(((*> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
><(((*> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
><(((*> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.

My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.

Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
"birth" date?

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

Alex Clayton

<waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
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> On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:
>
> ><(((*> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
> ><(((*> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
> ><(((*> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
> ><(((*> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from
their
> ><(((*> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.
>
> My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
> have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
> he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.
>
> Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
> "birth" date?
>
> Tara J. Ballance
> Montreal, Canada

Now that I have never seen but it is cute. I always considered "hatch date"
as birthday. My Macaw came with DNA sexing results along with a hatch date.
That is kind of cute though that some would list it both ways. Guess you
could let your bird celebrate two birthdays a year, complete with
peasants??? <G>
--
"Things get better with age, I'm approaching magnificent"!

Rick

<waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message news:9cg0g0l69ceomenpu6fi3lr05h32i8eiuk@4ax.com...
> On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:
>
> ><(((*> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES offer
> ><(((*> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a step
> ><(((*> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with their
> ><(((*> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from their
> ><(((*> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.
>
> My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
> have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
> he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.
>
> Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
> "birth" date?

Well, that would be like celebrating human birthdays based on
date of conception. Doesn't really make sense. I wonder if
these are the same people who're running around trying to
assign citizenship and personhood rights to human fetuses?

Rick

Jim

"Wheeler" <rivercst@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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>
> Wheeler-"a manly man"
>

Only as compared to Marco

--
James

Jim

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> LOL, Bob, you are in the business of dealing with people who have "issues"
> of the head, so you should know he is screaming for the attention he feels
> he did not get from Mommy or whatever, so you feeding him will just make
him
> scream louder since he is getting what he wants, more "please please,
> please, pay attention to me!!!!"
>

Said the guy who almost graduated from the 5th grade.

--
James

James

"Louis Boyd" <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Personally I would not buy a bird which has had it's wings clipped.
> From my experience flighted parrots make better companions.

and in your experience they also fly away never to be seen again.

> They have
> more confidence so it's easier to gain their trust.

bull****

> If they don't learn
> to fly when they're young they never will.

They don't need to.

> In my opinion there is
> nothing cute about a clipped bird. It's sad.
>
>

as are you

--
James

James

"Jow" <jow_00@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Furthermore, this thing about there being other breeders I can
> visit and why am I here asking... I really think you're
> misunderstanding the entire point of this post, Alex.

he usually does miss the point because he's to eager to preach

> I'm making what
> I consider to be a major purchase and I'm not doing so without doing
> my homework. If someone wants to charge me a higher price for this
> purchase than anyone else I've come in contact with, I really want to
> get an idea why they're doing so. The reason I'm here asking, if it
> wasn't pretty apparent, is that I LIKE these people and would be happy
> to buy from them, but I wanted to get a better idea of the typical
> going price for this type of bird and possibly share in others'
> experiences. Like I said, I'm learning as I go. I'd have appreciated
> the wisdom you're trying to impart in the last paragraph a bit more if
> you didn't assume I was approaching this from a "tightass"
> perspective.
>

Have you asked the breeder why his blue crowns are more expensive than the
his sun conures when it's usually the complete opposite?

I'm sure alex didn't think you were a "tightass" It's more likely that he
thought you were just piss poor.

--
James

James

"Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2mavaqFkv9djU1@uni-berlin.de...
> <waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
news:9cg0g0l69ceomenpu6fi3lr05h32i8eiuk@4ax.com...
> > On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:
> >
> > ><(((*> Thanks much for the feedback. This particular breeder DOES
offer
> > ><(((*> health guarantees with all their birds, and in fact they go a
step
> > ><(((*> further and provide "birth certificates" with each bird with
their
> > ><(((*> birthdate, a picture shortly after birth, and the feathers from
their
> > ><(((*> first wing clipping. :) It's very, very cute.
> >
> > My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
> > have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
> > he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.
> >
> > Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
> > "birth" date?
>
> Well, that would be like celebrating human birthdays based on
> date of conception. Doesn't really make sense. I wonder if
> these are the same people who're running around trying to
> assign citizenship and personhood rights to human fetuses?
>
> Rick
>
>

Birds would also have a conception date.

--
James

Rick

"James" <loirfdznkevnbj@jhstympodswpj.com> wrote in message news:2mb0ikFl52v7U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2mavaqFkv9djU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > <waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
> news:9cg0g0l69ceomenpu6fi3lr05h32i8eiuk@4ax.com...
> > > On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:
> > > My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
> > > have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
> > > he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.
> > >
> > > Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
> > > "birth" date?
> >
> > Well, that would be like celebrating human birthdays based on
> > date of conception. Doesn't really make sense. I wonder if
> > these are the same people who're running around trying to
> > assign citizenship and personhood rights to human fetuses?
> >
>
> Birds would also have a conception date.

True. So now we're up to three birthdates.

Rick

waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:43:26 -0700, "Rick" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

><(((*> "James" <loirfdznkevnbj@jhstympodswpj.com> wrote in message news:2mb0ikFl52v7U1@uni-berlin.de...
><(((*> >
><(((*> > "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
><(((*> > news:2mavaqFkv9djU1@uni-berlin.de...
><(((*> > > <waitingforgodot@samuel.beckett> wrote in message
><(((*> > news:9cg0g0l69ceomenpu6fi3lr05h32i8eiuk@4ax.com...
><(((*> > > > On 22 Jul 2004 09:20:15 -0700, jow_00@yahoo.com (Jow) wrote:
><(((*> > > > My bird didn't come with the photos and feathers, but he does
><(((*> > > > have a birth certificate with *two* birthdates. One is the date
><(((*> > > > he hatched and the other is the date he was laid.
><(((*> > > >
><(((*> > > > Now I'm curious. What do these folks consider to be the bird's
><(((*> > > > "birth" date?
><(((*> > >
><(((*> > > Well, that would be like celebrating human birthdays based on
><(((*> > > date of conception. Doesn't really make sense. I wonder if
><(((*> > > these are the same people who're running around trying to
><(((*> > > assign citizenship and personhood rights to human fetuses?
><(((*> > >
><(((*> >
><(((*> > Birds would also have a conception date.
><(((*>
><(((*> True. So now we're up to three birthdates.

LOL

I know when Jester was conceived.

It was during the famous Ice Storm in January 1998. I expect his
parents were just trying to keep warm by cuddling, and things got
out of hand (or would that be "out of beak"?).

Reminds me of the increase in human births that ostensibly took
place after the 1965 blackout that shut down New York City and
the rest of the Eastern Seaboard.

Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada

Just Molly

Gerry

"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> This is a troll who's been here for years. At one time he actually used to
> be funny, but he long ago went off the deep end.

You mean you thought he was funny until your own moronic ways lost the
immunity that you had and you couldn't take it.
Doug Cook was absolutely right about you.

--
James

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