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| drleedvm |
I recommend feeding only roasted peanuts. Roasting will kill the
Aspergillis fungus and others that tend to grow on the raw peanuts
since they do come from the ground. The Aflatoxin produced by the
fungus is not killed by the roasting so I always sort the peanuts and
use only the ones with the shells totally intact. (That way the nut is
protected and clean.) The broken or weak shelled ones I throw out to
the squirrels.
If you are feeding a fresh food diet and not pellets or additive laden
seed you can feed a few roasted salted peanuts which they very much
like. But don't do that if you are feeding pellets as they already
contain salt.
Raw peanuts have the potential to be contaminated from the field and
also have had time to allow fungus to grow. Many are not visible so
don't count on sorting by sight. Also I have seen "roasted" peanuts
sprout which means they were not roasted properly so use only good
brands.
drlee
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| Just Molly |
"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I recommend feeding only roasted peanuts. Roasting will kill the
> Aspergillis fungus and others that tend to grow on the raw peanuts
> since they do come from the ground. The Aflatoxin produced by the
> fungus is not killed by the roasting so I always sort the peanuts and
> use only the ones with the shells totally intact. (That way the nut is
> protected and clean.) The broken or weak shelled ones I throw out to
> the squirrels.
>
> If you are feeding a fresh food diet and not pellets or additive laden
> seed you can feed a few roasted salted peanuts
you flipping mad person. You should not EVER feed salted nuts to birds!
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| John Hines |
"Just Molly" <oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net> wrote:
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>"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:fbb663f5.0407090522.6f1b8553@posting.google.com...
>> I recommend feeding only roasted peanuts. Roasting will kill the
>> Aspergillis fungus and others that tend to grow on the raw peanuts
>> since they do come from the ground. The Aflatoxin produced by the
>> fungus is not killed by the roasting so I always sort the peanuts and
>> use only the ones with the shells totally intact. (That way the nut is
>> protected and clean.) The broken or weak shelled ones I throw out to
>> the squirrels.
>>
>> If you are feeding a fresh food diet and not pellets or additive laden
>> seed you can feed a few roasted salted peanuts
>
>
> you flipping mad person. You should not EVER feed salted nuts to birds!
My grocery store sells unsalted, roasted peanuts in a bag. Right next
to raw peanuts, and roasted and salted ones.
Read the label of the bag on anything you buy.
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| Alex Clayton |
"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Just Molly" <oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net> wrote:
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> >
> >"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:fbb663f5.0407090522.6f1b8553@posting.google.com...
> >> I recommend feeding only roasted peanuts. Roasting will kill the
> >> Aspergillis fungus and others that tend to grow on the raw peanuts
> >> since they do come from the ground. The Aflatoxin produced by the
> >> fungus is not killed by the roasting so I always sort the peanuts and
> >> use only the ones with the shells totally intact. (That way the nut is
> >> protected and clean.) The broken or weak shelled ones I throw out to
> >> the squirrels.
> >>
> >> If you are feeding a fresh food diet and not pellets or additive laden
> >> seed you can feed a few roasted salted peanuts
> >
> >
> > you flipping mad person. You should not EVER feed salted nuts to birds!
>
> My grocery store sells unsalted, roasted peanuts in a bag. Right next
> to raw peanuts, and roasted and salted ones.
>
> Read the label of the bag on anything you buy.
I buy the unsalted roasted if I can't find raw. I also was a little taken
back by that statement. I would never feed the birds salted peanuts. The
only reason I look for the raw ones is I like them. I never bother with
roasted, but always have liked the taste of raw peanuts. The birds both
inside and out don't seem to care. They will gobble up the roasted or raw as
fast as they are offered. <G>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]
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| John Hines |
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:nlate09f0bqrbfffjkdb4c0vr8q9f2auvt@4ax.com...
>> "Just Molly" <oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >news:fbb663f5.0407090522.6f1b8553@posting.google.com...
>> >> I recommend feeding only roasted peanuts. Roasting will kill the
>> >> Aspergillis fungus and others that tend to grow on the raw peanuts
>> >> since they do come from the ground. The Aflatoxin produced by the
>> >> fungus is not killed by the roasting so I always sort the peanuts and
>> >> use only the ones with the shells totally intact. (That way the nut is
>> >> protected and clean.) The broken or weak shelled ones I throw out to
>> >> the squirrels.
>> >>
>> >> If you are feeding a fresh food diet and not pellets or additive laden
>> >> seed you can feed a few roasted salted peanuts
>> >
>> >
>> > you flipping mad person. You should not EVER feed salted nuts to birds!
>>
>> My grocery store sells unsalted, roasted peanuts in a bag. Right next
>> to raw peanuts, and roasted and salted ones.
>>
>> Read the label of the bag on anything you buy.
>
>I buy the unsalted roasted if I can't find raw. I also was a little taken
>back by that statement. I would never feed the birds salted peanuts. The
>only reason I look for the raw ones is I like them. I never bother with
>roasted, but always have liked the taste of raw peanuts. The birds both
>inside and out don't seem to care. They will gobble up the roasted or raw as
>fast as they are offered. <G>
My Goffin, Cosmo, seems to eat more of the nut part of the roasted. Raw
ones are just toys for him.
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| drleedvm |
PS#1:
There are no absolutes in biology and science and parrot keeping is no
exception. Its often a good idea to keep an open mind and shoot for
understanding of concepts and not knee jerk reactions of. And then of
course its usually wise to keep personal insults out of discussions
because you never know when you will need help with one of your
critters. I know I have had such times.
All animals need some salt.......and if you would read the post you
would see the caveats about feeding salted peanuts. (In the wild
birds go to salt flats and eat dirt to get it and clay licks are
primarily used for salt as well.) I believe that lack of salt may be a
component in some feather plucking although much more research is
needed to confirm that.
Raw peanuts should never ever be fed unless you want to spend a life
time treating aspergillis infections. Roasting (proper) kills the
fungus.......do not be misled into thinking that you can always see
mold. Often in its active form you cannot see it. You certainly
cannot see the Aflatoxins and that is why you never want to feed any
with broken shell or loose defective shell. No heat sterilization
rids you of the toxins so you don't want to introduce them.
If you have access to a lab take the washings from a raw peanut shell
and streak a blood agar plate. Do the same thing with a roasted
salted peanut and an unsalted peanut......this will show you the
differences. Don't have an irrational fear of salt.....its a very
important diet component in the right quantitiy......drlee
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| Just Molly |
"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> PS#1:
>
> There are no absolutes in biology and science and parrot keeping is no
> exception. Its often a good idea to keep an open mind and shoot for
> understanding of concepts and not knee jerk reactions of. And then of
> course its usually wise to keep personal insults out of discussions
> because you never know when you will need help with one of your
> critters. I know I have had such times.
>
> All animals need some salt.......and if you would read the post you
> would see the caveats about feeding salted peanuts. (In the wild
> birds go to salt flats and eat dirt to get it and clay licks are
> primarily used for salt as well.)
*some* birds do. Macaws in particular who eat it to counteractive some of
the slighhtly toxic things in their diet. Caged birds get enough salt in
their normal diet without them being fed highly salted snacks which are not
good for humans either.
> I believe that lack of salt may be a
> component in some feather plucking although much more research >is
> needed to confirm that.
*why* do you believe this? What do you base this assumption on and where is
any kind of data pointing towards this assumption. Or is it something you
dreamed up yourself?
>
.. Don't have an irrational fear of salt.....its a very
> important diet component in the right quantitiy......
So bearing in mind that most fresh fruit and veg contains sodium, what *is*
the right amount of salt taken on a daily basis for the average african grey
sized bird in addition to the salt they will get from fruit and veg etc?
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| drleedvm |
Dear Sweet open minded Molly:
The clay licks have been recently shown to be for salt not for
previously thought anti toxin food amelioration......which was always
an "off the wall explanation".
Since feeding salted roasted peanuts in the shell has reduced feather
plucking in some eclectus and Cockatoos.....the noted caveats which
you seem to keep missing are that the parrots must be on fresh food
diet.....with no pellets (which already contain salt). Sodium is not
salt is it? Salt is NaCL which is a very important dietary
component.......the reason there are no plucked parrots in the wild is
a complex issue but must involve diet and stress to some degree.
Here is the thing. There is much we don't know and the current ways
of keeping parrots works sometimes and does not work sometimes. We
have to keep open minds and consider new and sometimes historically
unaccepted ideas. Attacking every new suggestion with dogma and
closed minded hubris is not going to help people with parrot
problems.. So suggest you see if you know somebody that is having the
problem and try something new......they will have tried everything
else. Also be aware that damaged follicles won't come back so you
need to try it on a parrot witout permanent damage. As for amount I
keep it low with each parrot getting 2 or 3 undamaged shell roasted
salted peanuts. (Pretty radical stuff eh?). Try placing 6 peanuts in
a dish in parrot flight. Mark the salted and watch which ones are
eaten first. A bit of garlic salt sprinkled over a bowl of fresh food
is also a welcome treat for most parrots.
Also PD (Parrot Deli) is an additive that contains garlic, alfalfa,
carrot, beet with the tannin component of alfalfa being a wonderful
way to reduce iron uptake which is another whole subject. See
www.macawworld.com for info on PD and how to get it.
drlee
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> > I believe that lack of salt may be a
> > component in some feather plucking although much more research >is
> > needed to confirm that.
> *why* do you believe this? What do you base this assumption on and where is
> any kind of data pointing towards this assumption. Or is it something you
> dreamed up yourself?
> >
> . Don't have an irrational fear of salt.....its a very
> > important diet component in the right quantitiy......
> So bearing in mind that most fresh fruit and veg contains sodium, what *is*
> the right amount of salt taken on a daily basis for the average african grey
> sized bird in addition to the salt they will get from fruit and veg etc?
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| Just Molly |
"drleedvm" <drleedvm@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Sweet open minded Molly:
>
> The clay licks have been recently shown to be for salt not for
> previously thought anti toxin food amelioration......which was always
> an "off the wall explanation".
>
> Since feeding salted roasted peanuts in the shell has reduced feather
> plucking in some eclectus and Cockatoos.....the noted caveats which
> you seem to keep missing are that the parrots must be on fresh food
> diet.....with no pellets (which already contain salt). Sodium is not
> salt is it? Salt is NaCL which is a very important dietary
> component.......the reason there are no plucked parrots in the wild is
> a complex issue but must involve diet and stress to some degree.
>
> Here is the thing. There is much we don't know and the current ways
> of keeping parrots works sometimes and does not work sometimes. We
> have to keep open minds and consider new and sometimes historically
> unaccepted ideas. Attacking every new suggestion with dogma and
> closed minded hubris is not going to help people with parrot
> problems.. So suggest you see if you know somebody that is having the
> problem and try something new......they will have tried everything
> else. Also be aware that damaged follicles won't come back so you
> need to try it on a parrot witout permanent damage. As for amount I
> keep it low with each parrot getting 2 or 3 undamaged shell roasted
> salted peanuts. (Pretty radical stuff eh?). Try placing 6 peanuts in
> a dish in parrot flight. Mark the salted and watch which ones are
> eaten first. A bit of garlic salt sprinkled over a bowl of fresh food
> is also a welcome treat for most parrots.
>
> Also PD (Parrot Deli) is an additive that contains garlic, alfalfa,
> carrot, beet with the tannin component of alfalfa being a wonderful
> way to reduce iron uptake which is another whole subject. See
> www.macawworld.com for info on PD and how to get it.
But you still have not pointed me to any actual data regarding the clay
licks or thet evidence that salt in the diet stops feather plucking have
you. There are also enough parrots fed on pellets which pluck.
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| Just Molly |
"Toucanldy" <toucanldy@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Just Molly" oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net
>
> But you still have not pointed me to any actual data regarding the clay
> >licks or thet evidence that salt in the diet stops feather plucking have
> >you. There are also enough parrots fed on pellets which pluck.
>
> Something I found that may be of interest.
> http://www.parrot-link.co.uk/forum/...sp?TOPIC_ID=239
>
> Regards
Hmm still only hearsay and anecdotal. You would have thought that if
someone had written in a book about this some 30 years ago, science would
have come up with some conclusive evidence. I might give it a try with a
plucker. They get cider vinegar added to their water, I will try a little
salt, but not salty snacks.
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| Rays |
Just Molly wrote:
> "Toucanldy" <toucanldy@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040711095805.11545.00001187@mb-m11.aol.com...
>>
>>> From: "Just Molly" oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net
>>
>> But you still have not pointed me to any actual data regarding the
>> clay
>>> licks or thet evidence that salt in the diet stops feather plucking
>>> have you. There are also enough parrots fed on pellets which pluck.
>>
>> Something I found that may be of interest.
>> http://www.parrot-link.co.uk/forum/...sp?TOPIC_ID=239
>>
>> Regards
> Hmm still only hearsay and anecdotal. You would have thought that if
> someone had written in a book about this some 30 years ago, science
> would have come up with some conclusive evidence. I might give it a
> try with a plucker. They get cider vinegar added to their water, I
> will try a little salt, but not salty snacks.
>
>
Grit is hearsay and anecdotal too.
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| drleedvm |
Yo Just Molly, TL, Ray et al:
I have received a pre-print on a study that supports salt from the
clay licks theory. It has not yet been published but when it is I
will post it. I am only sharing what I think may be "possibilities".
As we all know the money available for avian research is scarce and
usually goes to the dreaded diseases like PPD and Polyoma. Little
real research has been done on nutrition. Most commercial diets are
designed for short life spans and packed full of way too many
chemicals from iron to D3 and CA and don't take into consideration
parrots very long life spans. UK post on salt is very interesting. I
had not seen that but am not surprised by it. Hope people won't feed
too much salt!!!!!! Ad lib in separate dish seems sensible......
If I ever win the lotto the first thing I would do is set up a parrot
nutrition study, in the meantime I do my best to provide an all
natural diet.
drlee
"Rays" <Ray.s@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<hzdIc.334$0a6.304@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>...
> Just Molly wrote:
> > "Toucanldy" <toucanldy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040711095805.11545.00001187@mb-m11.aol.com...
> >>
> >>> From: "Just Molly" oldmollyREMOVETHIS@tesco.net
> >>
> >> But you still have not pointed me to any actual data regarding the
> >> clay
> >>> licks or thet evidence that salt in the diet stops feather plucking
> >>> have you. There are also enough parrots fed on pellets which pluck.
> >>
> >> Something I found that may be of interest.
> >> http://www.parrot-link.co.uk/forum/...sp?TOPIC_ID=239
> >>
> >> Regards
> > Hmm still only hearsay and anecdotal. You would have thought that if
> > someone had written in a book about this some 30 years ago, science
> > would have come up with some conclusive evidence. I might give it a
> > try with a plucker. They get cider vinegar added to their water, I
> > will try a little salt, but not salty snacks.
> >
> >
> Grit is hearsay and anecdotal too.
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