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| good golly miss Molly |
"James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in
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> eyes. You UK people don't know much about sunhine.
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We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie?
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| James |
"good golly miss Molly" <oldmolly@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> "James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> > It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in
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> We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie?
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That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place.
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| good golly miss Molly |
"James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> "good golly miss Molly" <oldmolly@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> > "James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> > > It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in
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> > > eyes. You UK people don't know much about sunhine.
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> > We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie?
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> That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place.
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Hmm so you prefer to believe what exactly rather than photographic evidence
to the contrary of your silly twitterings?Why am I not surprised?
I suppose you imagine that it rains every day and is always foggy here? I
can't imagine why my region is one of the dryest in the country and the
country in general often has droughts yearly. Wonder where all the rain goes
to if not in the resevoirs?
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| Claudia Engel |
Kimberlee <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their
> wings?
> I've heard that this helps them learn to balance and to (hopefully) have a
> controlled, safer, landing.
> ~Kimberlee
Yes. They do need to build up the flight muscles and coordination, and it's
best done when they're young. Also, the first clip of a young bird should
be a "juvenile clip" (this is more or less what I *always* use) in which
only 3/4 or so of the feather is cut. This allows them more ability to
fly. I try to encourage my birds to fly a bit just to keep their muscles
in shape.
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Claudia Engel (no emails please)
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| good golly miss Molly |
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"James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> > We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie?
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> That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place.
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It really pees you off to be proved wrong yet again doesn't it jynxie?
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| good golly miss Molly |
"James" <yes, I am me> wrote in message
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> > It really pees you off to be proved wrong yet again doesn't it jynxie?
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> Actually no it doesn't. It happens so rarely that when it does occur,
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> I was merely having fun with the stereotypical weather of the UK and you
got
> all those gray hairs on your big old **** in knots over it.
I do wish you had a different outlet for your sexual frustrations and
obsession with me. Can you not find yourself a nice biy/girl friend to help
you out?
> Remember that
> the next time you want to lump all of us "yanks" together when speaking of
> how awful we are for whatever reason suits your needs at the moment.
Not *all* yanks are awful, just some.
<trying not to look pointedly at Jynx>
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| Claudia Engel |
> "Claudia Engel" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Kimberlee <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip
> their
>> > wings?
>> > I've heard that this helps them learn to balance and to (hopefully) have
> a
>> > controlled, safer, landing.
>> > ~Kimberlee
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>> Yes. They do need to build up the flight muscles
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> No, they don't, unless they are going to be allowed to remain flighted.
> Other than that you are just fooling yourself.
I'm sorry, I must disagree. Read the data - it's out there. Exercise is
important, balance and control are important.
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Claudia Engel (no emails please)
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| jemineye |
Claudia Engel <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<JX0xc.24676$GC4.8516@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>...
> > "Claudia Engel" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:4pmvc.18377$eH1.8253037@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> >> Kimberlee <Kimberlee_vanderhoofNOSPAM_MMMM@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip
> their
> >> > wings?
> >> > I've heard that this helps them learn to balance and to (hopefully) have
> a
> >> > controlled, safer, landing.
> >> > ~Kimberlee
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> >> Yes. They do need to build up the flight muscles
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> > No, they don't, unless they are going to be allowed to remain flighted.
> > Other than that you are just fooling yourself.
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> I'm sorry, I must disagree. Read the data - it's out there. Exercise is
> important, balance and control are important.
I have a cockatiel, and I have tried clipping her wings, (which REALLY
pisses her off!) and she can still fly. After clipping her wings (6
months ago) she has gotten aggressive and moody. She used to sit on
me for hours and now she won't come out of her cage. I will even just
hold the door open and she will chirp at me and talk and repeat things
(she talks and is very vocally responsive) but she won't come out, and
if I try to reach in even slowly, she gets upset and tries to bite me
and then pants like she is very afraid. The odd thing is, through the
bars of the cage she will seek my attention--I can come up to her and
she will make kissy sounds and chirp for me to talk to her, but only
if the bars are between us.
In regards to exercise and keeping wings long, a bird rescue friend of
mine has said that their needs in the wild are different than their
needs in captivity. If you can provide an aviary for them to fly
around in, thats good exercise and allows them to exercise their
natural flight abilities. But a house is not their natural
environment, and many birds will fly into windows and break their
necks or land in places where they are dangerous. My aunt had a
budgie that fell behind the refrigerator and got stuck in the coils on
the back.
So unfortunately my tiel is in her cage way more than I would like
because she is such a good flier. She got out once and was 30 feet up
in the neighbors tree. Its a good thing she allowed my husband to
catch her with a pillow case of she would have been hawk or eagle
food! I would like to build an aviary so that she could fly safely be
be safe from predation. I think IMO, that is optimal.
jem
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| Claudia Engel |
jemineyecogsworthington@yahoo.com (jemineye) writes:
> I have a cockatiel, and I have tried clipping her wings, (which REALLY
> pisses her off!) and she can still fly. After clipping her wings (6
> months ago) she has gotten aggressive and moody. She used to sit on
> me for hours and now she won't come out of her cage. I will even just
> hold the door open and she will chirp at me and talk and repeat things
> (she talks and is very vocally responsive) but she won't come out, and
> if I try to reach in even slowly, she gets upset and tries to bite me
> and then pants like she is very afraid. The odd thing is, through the
> bars of the cage she will seek my attention--I can come up to her and
> she will make kissy sounds and chirp for me to talk to her, but only
> if the bars are between us.
Did you originally have a vet show you how to properly clip the wings?
It's true that some birds don't take kindly to it, but the procedure I
use to minimize the trauma to the bird is the same one every vet I've
ever seen uses: a towel. Take the bird someplace they usually aren't
allowed (bathroom, whatever), sit him down on the towel, and GENTLY
wrap the towel up and around the bird's body. A little bit of wiggling
and you can get his wings into the right position for trimming. Same
thing works for trimming nails. The idea here is that the bird feels
it's being held down by the *towel* and not by *you*. A couple things
to remember:
1. Hold the bird the way you normally would restrain a bird - gently,
and don't place any pressure on his chest! They can't breathe if you do
that.
2. Try to use a towel that is the same colour as the bird (if possible).
I cannot say for certain, but I've heard this gives the bird a more
comfortable feeling.
> In regards to exercise and keeping wings long, a bird rescue friend of
> mine has said that their needs in the wild are different than their
> needs in captivity.
Very true.
> natural flight abilities. But a house is not their natural
> environment, and many birds will fly into windows and break their
> necks or land in places where they are dangerous.
Very true again.
Whatever the case, it's good to clip the bird in such a way that he can
still fly to some extent. It prevents accidents
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Claudia Engel (no emails please)
aka: Engelchen
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