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| Mean Guy |
Im sure someone here can straighten me out.
Billy "Bare Eyed Too" 3yrs old
Right now his diet consists of mainly of pellets
"Mazuri" I pretty much leave it in his cage at all times
Freshened twice daily along with his water.
He gets apple slices and select other fruits.
He hates vegies and toss`s them before I can blink
He also gets very tiny bits of our food.
Now my real concern is sunflower seed
He is basicly a seed whore. He will do anything for 1 seed. He gets around
10 of them a day Is this too much?
If so what is a good amount?
I also give him 2 clean looking peanuts in the shell per week. Should I just
stop the peanut treat?
Also next time I buy pellet should I switch to zoopreme
or however you spell it. Also is there a disinfectant I should be using on
the cage when I clean it,
(I clean it with warm soapy water and a garden hose)
Any way I know I propably got my self kill filtered trying to be funny. So
if no one responds I may change my name and start again. This time ill try
not being an ass :}
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| thehouse@pooh.corner |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:15:02 -0800, "Mean Guy" <Abc@m.net> wrote:
><(((*> Im sure someone here can straighten me out.
><(((*> Billy "Bare Eyed Too" 3yrs old
><(((*> Right now his diet consists of mainly of pellets
><(((*> "Mazuri" I pretty much leave it in his cage at all times
><(((*> Freshened twice daily along with his water.
><(((*> He gets apple slices and select other fruits.
><(((*> He hates vegies and toss`s them before I can blink
Tossing the food onto the cage floor is, apparently, quite
normal. Jester (also a bare-eyed too) will do this, then later
poke around and retrieve bits and pieces for a snack.
One thing I've found to work with Jesse is to chop the pieces of
fruit or veggie into smaller bits. He's more likely to nibble at
these.
A fruit that Jesse likes quite a bit is cranberries. (Suggested
recently by another poster, so I tried them.) He also loves
raspberries. And when it comes to green stuff, I was amazed to
find out that he likes eating herbs such as sage, basil, and
parsley.
One "special" treat that Jesse adores is the centre out of a red
or green pepper. He picks off the little seeds and eats them.
I've seen dried chili pepper and seeds in the vet's seed mix, so
I assume this is healthy.
><(((*> He also gets very tiny bits of our food.
My bird vet says that small amounts of people food is not harmful
to Jesse. He eats french fries, pasta noodles, lentils, crumbs of
cheese, bits of bread (especially loves to pick sesame seeds off
egg bread).
><(((*> Now my real concern is sunflower seed
><(((*> He is basicly a seed whore. He will do anything for 1 seed. He gets around
><(((*> 10 of them a day Is this too much?
><(((*> If so what is a good amount?
I'm not sure what a good amount would be. The biggest problem
with the sunflower seeds is that they're very fatty. Last time I
was talking about seed with my vet's office, I was told that
safflower seed is a little less fatty and tastes less appealing
to the bird, and can be substituted.
><(((*> I also give him 2 clean looking peanuts in the shell per week. Should I just
><(((*> stop the peanut treat?
I would be more inclined to cut down on the sunflower seeds and
increase the peanuts. Almonds in the shell are also a good treat,
since they let him exercise his beak.
Since Billy responds so eagerly to the sunflower seeds, you might
consider using them as a training reward.
><(((*> Also next time I buy pellet should I switch to zoopreme
I feed Jester with Lafebre's pellets and a seed mix from my avian
vet. Frankly, I don't have a preference for Lafebre's, but Jesse
will eat it and the avian vet carries it. I suspect that from a
nutritional point of view most manufactured foods are similar.
You might experiment a bit to see if Billy has an opinion about
the pellets.
><(((*> or however you spell it. Also is there a disinfectant I should be using on
><(((*> the cage when I clean it,
><(((*> (I clean it with warm soapy water and a garden hose)
Soap & water is what I use too. In the summer I will leave the
cage parts out in the sun till they're dry. So if anyone has
disinfectant recommendations, I'd also be interested in them.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
Bare-eyed toos are the best!
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| Marco |
<thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
news:5qul00tps2hu1mto0r911ekecmrcnk4g6o@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:15:02 -0800, "Mean Guy" <Abc@m.net> wrote:
>
> ><(((*> Im sure someone here can straighten me out.
> ><(((*> Billy "Bare Eyed Too" 3yrs old
> ><(((*> Right now his diet consists of mainly of pellets
> ><(((*> "Mazuri" I pretty much leave it in his cage at all times
> ><(((*> Freshened twice daily along with his water.
> ><(((*> He gets apple slices and select other fruits.
> ><(((*> He hates vegies and toss`s them before I can blink
>
> Tossing the food onto the cage floor is, apparently, quite
> normal. Jester (also a bare-eyed too) will do this, then later
> poke around and retrieve bits and pieces for a snack.
>
> One thing I've found to work with Jesse is to chop the pieces of
> fruit or veggie into smaller bits. He's more likely to nibble at
> these.
>
> A fruit that Jesse likes quite a bit is cranberries. (Suggested
> recently by another poster, so I tried them.) He also loves
> raspberries. And when it comes to green stuff, I was amazed to
> find out that he likes eating herbs such as sage, basil, and
> parsley.
>
> One "special" treat that Jesse adores is the centre out of a red
> or green pepper. He picks off the little seeds and eats them.
> I've seen dried chili pepper and seeds in the vet's seed mix, so
> I assume this is healthy.
>
> ><(((*> He also gets very tiny bits of our food.
>
> My bird vet says that small amounts of people food is not harmful
> to Jesse. He eats french fries, pasta noodles, lentils, crumbs of
> cheese, bits of bread (especially loves to pick sesame seeds off
> egg bread).
>
> ><(((*> Now my real concern is sunflower seed
> ><(((*> He is basicly a seed whore. He will do anything for 1 seed. He
gets around
> ><(((*> 10 of them a day Is this too much?
> ><(((*> If so what is a good amount?
>
> I'm not sure what a good amount would be. The biggest problem
> with the sunflower seeds is that they're very fatty. Last time I
> was talking about seed with my vet's office, I was told that
> safflower seed is a little less fatty and tastes less appealing
> to the bird, and can be substituted.
Quoting from Owly's post on another thread:
"(See http://www.parrothouse.com/sunflower.html and
http://www.naturallyhealthypet.com/sunflower.htm - among other sites - for
the nutritional information on these "power packed" little gems.)"
Plus, I found this chart.... I don't think the difference in fat content
between sunflower and safflower is that great:
http://members.aol.com/CalMacSociety/nutritional.html
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| oldmolly |
<thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure what a good amount would be. The biggest problem
> with the sunflower seeds is that they're very fatty. Last time I
> was talking about seed with my vet's office, I was told that
> safflower seed is a little less fatty and tastes less appealing
> to the bird, and can be substituted.
Simply soak sunflower seed overnight and the fat changes to complex
carbohydrates and become good.
>
> I would be more inclined to cut down on the sunflower seeds and
> increase the peanuts.
You are simply exchanging one kind of fatty food for another.Peanuts are
very high in fat.
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| Owly |
In addition to what everybody else has already said, you might want to
change his peanuts to almonds which have a better nutritional profile than
peanuts.
And I appreciate your humor :).
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"Mean Guy" <Abc@m.net> wrote in message
news:100lq8i5mk2taf3@corp.supernews.com...
> Im sure someone here can straighten me out.
> Billy "Bare Eyed Too" 3yrs old
> Right now his diet consists of mainly of pellets
> "Mazuri" I pretty much leave it in his cage at all times
> Freshened twice daily along with his water.
> He gets apple slices and select other fruits.
> He hates vegies and toss`s them before I can blink
> He also gets very tiny bits of our food.
> Now my real concern is sunflower seed
> He is basicly a seed whore. He will do anything for 1 seed. He gets around
> 10 of them a day Is this too much?
> If so what is a good amount?
> I also give him 2 clean looking peanuts in the shell per week. Should I
just
> stop the peanut treat?
> Also next time I buy pellet should I switch to zoopreme
> or however you spell it. Also is there a disinfectant I should be using on
> the cage when I clean it,
> (I clean it with warm soapy water and a garden hose)
> Any way I know I propably got my self kill filtered trying to be funny. So
> if no one responds I may change my name and start again. This time ill try
> not being an ass :}
>
>
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| John Hines |
"Mean Guy" <Abc@m.net> wrote:
>He is basicly a seed whore. He will do anything for 1 seed. He gets around
>10 of them a day Is this too much?
>If so what is a good amount?
Much less than 50% of the diet. Like with people, there is no hard and
fast rule, but treats should be a smaller part of the diet, than the
main feed.
With it being winter now, I'll feed more fatty foods, since I figure
they will burn it up for heat. The mixed nuts at the produce counter are
a favorite, as they can work to dig out the meat, so it gives them
something to do, as well as eat.
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| thehouse@pooh.corner |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:04:43 -0500, "Marco"
<NonYaBuzinezz@YoMomma.net> wrote:
><(((*>
><(((*> <thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
><(((*> news:5qul00tps2hu1mto0r911ekecmrcnk4g6o@4ax.com...
><(((*> > I'm not sure what a good amount would be. The biggest problem
><(((*> > with the sunflower seeds is that they're very fatty. Last time I
><(((*> > was talking about seed with my vet's office, I was told that
><(((*> > safflower seed is a little less fatty and tastes less appealing
><(((*> > to the bird, and can be substituted.
><(((*>
><(((*> Quoting from Owly's post on another thread:
><(((*>
><(((*> "(See http://www.parrothouse.com/sunflower.html and
><(((*> http://www.naturallyhealthypet.com/sunflower.htm - among other sites - for
><(((*> the nutritional information on these "power packed" little gems.)"
><(((*>
><(((*> Plus, I found this chart.... I don't think the difference in fat content
><(((*> between sunflower and safflower is that great:
><(((*> http://members.aol.com/CalMacSociety/nutritional.html
Thanks, Marco.
If you ask me, the folks at the bird vet's office have a vested
interest in keeping Jester off sunflower seeds. They believe that
an all-pellet diet is best and that the seed mix should be part
of a transition diet. I reserve my right to disagree with them.
I give Jester approximately equal amounts of pellets and seed mix
daily. He eats what he wants from that, and then I give him a
fresh serving the next morning and toss the previous day's
serving out for the wild birds.
I think the important thing is to give him a variety of fresh
fruits and veggies and some interesting treats along with his
pellets and seed mix.
He seems to agree.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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| Marco |
<thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
news:tkjr00176uoqkfpddck3nf58hfcqj2caeg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:04:43 -0500, "Marco"
> <NonYaBuzinezz@YoMomma.net> wrote:
>
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> <thehouse@pooh.corner> wrote in message
> ><(((*> news:5qul00tps2hu1mto0r911ekecmrcnk4g6o@4ax.com...
> ><(((*> > I'm not sure what a good amount would be. The biggest problem
> ><(((*> > with the sunflower seeds is that they're very fatty. Last time I
> ><(((*> > was talking about seed with my vet's office, I was told that
> ><(((*> > safflower seed is a little less fatty and tastes less appealing
> ><(((*> > to the bird, and can be substituted.
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> Quoting from Owly's post on another thread:
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> "(See http://www.parrothouse.com/sunflower.html and
> ><(((*> http://www.naturallyhealthypet.com/sunflower.htm - among other
sites - for
> ><(((*> the nutritional information on these "power packed" little gems.)"
> ><(((*>
> ><(((*> Plus, I found this chart.... I don't think the difference in fat
content
> ><(((*> between sunflower and safflower is that great:
> ><(((*> http://members.aol.com/CalMacSociety/nutritional.html
>
> Thanks, Marco.
>
> If you ask me, the folks at the bird vet's office have a vested
> interest in keeping Jester off sunflower seeds. They believe that
> an all-pellet diet is best and that the seed mix should be part
> of a transition diet. I reserve my right to disagree with them.
>
> I give Jester approximately equal amounts of pellets and seed mix
> daily. He eats what he wants from that, and then I give him a
> fresh serving the next morning and toss the previous day's
> serving out for the wild birds.
>
> I think the important thing is to give him a variety of fresh
> fruits and veggies and some interesting treats along with his
> pellets and seed mix.
>
> He seems to agree.
I hear ya... my birds too get a varied diet of seeds, pellets, fruits,
grains, veggies and 'people food'. They seem to like it that way... and they
still love their 'almost frozen' grapes during summertime :)
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| thehouse@pooh.corner |
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:38:44 -0500, "Marco"
<NonYaBuzinezz@YoMomma.net> wrote:
><(((*> They seem to like it that way... and they
><(((*> still love their 'almost frozen' grapes during summertime :)
Almost frozen! Like grape slushies, eh?
Jester loves his "human food. The french fried sweet potato has
to be his (and my) favourite, though.
Tara J. Ballance
Montreal, Canada
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