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| Jennifer |
> Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can have
dire
> results.
I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it a
point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian husky
rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
occur from chipping?
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| oldmolly |
"Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can have
> dire
> > results.
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> I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it a
> point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian
husky
> rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
> currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
> occur from chipping?
>
>
I had a breeder/exhibitor friend of mini dahcshunds who had a chip migrate.
Another person I knew had her dog go lame after chipping.
Quite apart from the fact that even if a bird is chipped, the owner cannot
visually identify the bird, neither can a law official do so, and if the
holder of the bird refuses to relinquish the bird for scanning, nothing can
be done about it.
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| John Hines |
"Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote:
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>> Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can have
>dire
>> results.
>
>
>I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it a
>point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian husky
>rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
>currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
>occur from chipping?
My vet says that it (whatever system they use) requires sedation of the
bird, thus there is the danger of anesthesia.
I haven't yet talked to them to find out why they (and only them) does
it this way.
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| Jennifer |
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@members.v21.com> wrote in message
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> "Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > > Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can
have
> > dire
> > > results.
> >
> >
> > I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it
a
> > point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian
> husky
> > rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
> > currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
> > occur from chipping?
> >
> >
> I had a breeder/exhibitor friend of mini dahcshunds who had a chip
migrate.
> Another person I knew had her dog go lame after chipping.
> Quite apart from the fact that even if a bird is chipped, the owner
cannot
> visually identify the bird, neither can a law official do so, and if the
> holder of the bird refuses to relinquish the bird for scanning, nothing
can
> be done about it.
>
>
Chip migration, while a PITA, because between the shoulderblades is standard
placement, is hardly detrimental to the pet. I can't, for the life of me,
imagine why a pet would go lame after chipping, and I've worked in the
veterinary field for about 15 years now. I've never seen such a results.
I have seen migrating chips, and those are always the results of human error
(ie not placing it far enough in).
And, I have been privy to many cases of stolen birds - with most, they're
sold soon after, and are recoverable through the chip. I knew of one person
who was able to get a court order to have a bird checked for chip because
they suspected the bird was theirs ... And they won.
Also, I'd be leary of any vet who requires anesthesia for chipping. I
typically have rescues chipped under anesthesia, but only because they're
typically being spayed or neutered at the same time, and it's just
conveinent to have it all done at once. As far as birds go, well, I only
have a 'tiel, and of course Pig's not chipped, but if I had a larger bird,
you can bet it would be chipped, and the avain vet (an affiliate of the
doctors I work for) here does not use anesthesia to chip.
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| Alex Clayton |
"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote:
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> >
> >> Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can have
> >dire
> >> results.
> >
> >
> >I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it a
> >point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian
husky
> >rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
> >currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
> >occur from chipping?
>
> My vet says that it (whatever system they use) requires sedation of the
> bird, thus there is the danger of anesthesia.
>
> I haven't yet talked to them to find out why they (and only them) does
> it this way.
>
>
When I had our Macaw chipped she (the Vet) did use general anesthetic. It is
a risk with an animal just like with people. She did not require it, but did
recommend it. She offered to use Ice to numb the area if I wished, I elected
to have the bird asleep while it was being done, since if it was me I would
want it that way <G>. With a Dog or Cat the Vets at the clinic where our
Avian Vet works just use the needle the chip comes in and it's easy. With a
Bird she chooses to make a small incision first. From what I have heard here
others do not do it this way, but I trust her judgment since she is the
expert not me.
As to bands I had her remove the Macaws at the same time. It is rare for
them to get caught, but as active as they are it does happen, and if someone
steals a bird, and has more than two brain cells, the thief is going to
remove the band, and they may well hurt the bird doing so. It's a risk many
are willing to take, it's a judgment call on the owners part.
--
"A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain"
[Lazarus Long]
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| jmcquown |
Jennifer wrote:
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@members.v21.com> wrote in message
> news:40099b19@news.greennet.net...
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>> "Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:CzdOb.5009$dd6.174@lakeread02...
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>>>> Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can
>>>> have dire results.
>>>
>>>
>>> I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also
>>> made it a point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to
>>> run a siberian husky rescue). I have never had a single problem
>>> with the microchips. I currently have 16 animals chipped. What
>>> dire results do you believe can occur from chipping?
>>>
>>>
>> I had a breeder/exhibitor friend of mini dahcshunds who had a chip
>> migrate. Another person I knew had her dog go lame after chipping.
>> Quite apart from the fact that even if a bird is chipped, the owner
>> cannot visually identify the bird, neither can a law official do so,
>> and if the holder of the bird refuses to relinquish the bird for
>> scanning, nothing can be done about it.
>>
>>
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> Chip migration, while a PITA, because between the shoulderblades is
> standard placement, is hardly detrimental to the pet. I can't, for
> the life of me, imagine why a pet would go lame after chipping, and
> I've worked in the veterinary field for about 15 years now. I've
> never seen such a results. I have seen migrating chips, and those are
> always the results of human error (ie not placing it far enough in).
>
> And, I have been privy to many cases of stolen birds - with most,
> they're sold soon after, and are recoverable through the chip. I
> knew of one person who was able to get a court order to have a bird
> checked for chip because they suspected the bird was theirs ... And
> they won.
>
> Also, I'd be leary of any vet who requires anesthesia for chipping. I
> typically have rescues chipped under anesthesia, but only because
> they're typically being spayed or neutered at the same time, and it's
> just conveinent to have it all done at once. As far as birds go,
> well, I only have a 'tiel, and of course Pig's not chipped, but if I
> had a larger bird, you can bet it would be chipped, and the avain vet
> (an affiliate of the doctors I work for) here does not use anesthesia
> to chip.
I got my cat, who adopted me as a stray, chipped after she ran outside and
was gone for over 24 hours. She decided after that adventure she's better
off in the nice warm, not rainy and cold house with me. I've had no
problems and she's got a tag on her collar which says she's chipped.
Peaches band was bothering the hell out of her and encouraging her to
feather pluck, which is not a good thing. She's much happier without it.
And it didn't contain any useful information. She's much happier without
it. I doubt I'll get her chipped, though. She's not likely to get outside
since I limit her play time outside of the cage and it's strictly monitored.
Jill
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| John Hines |
"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"John Hines" <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:bnsi005qioumn0qqffch6li14j3qbuup95@4ax.com...
>> "Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >> Microchipping is introducing a foreign body into your pet and can have
>> >dire
>> >> results.
>> >
>> >
>> >I microchip all of my pets, and have done so for years. I also made it a
>> >point to microchip all the rescues taken in (I used to run a siberian
>husky
>> >rescue). I have never had a single problem with the microchips. I
>> >currently have 16 animals chipped. What dire results do you believe can
>> >occur from chipping?
>>
>> My vet says that it (whatever system they use) requires sedation of the
>> bird, thus there is the danger of anesthesia.
>>
>> I haven't yet talked to them to find out why they (and only them) does
>> it this way.
>>
>>
>When I had our Macaw chipped she (the Vet) did use general anesthetic. It is
>a risk with an animal just like with people. She did not require it, but did
>recommend it. She offered to use Ice to numb the area if I wished, I elected
>to have the bird asleep while it was being done, since if it was me I would
>want it that way <G>. With a Dog or Cat the Vets at the clinic where our
>Avian Vet works just use the needle the chip comes in and it's easy. With a
>Bird she chooses to make a small incision first. From what I have heard here
>others do not do it this way, but I trust her judgment since she is the
>expert not me.
Yeah I hear you, I took a general when it came time to get teeth pulled,
cause even if it was painless, I didn't want to hear it happen. <G>
Thanks for the info, I'll have to think about it some more. There was
that actress that died this week, from anesthesia complications, during
plastic surgery, makes me wonder.
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| oldmolly |
"Jennifer" <youdontneedit@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Chip migration, while a PITA, because between the shoulderblades is
standard
> placement, is hardly detrimental to the pet. I can't, for the life of me,
> imagine why a pet would go lame after chipping, and I've worked in the
> veterinary field for about 15 years now.
I dunno either. All I know is that the dog's show carrer was over. Cannot
remember exact details but I seem to remember she sued the vet. :0(
>I've never seen such a results.
> I have seen migrating chips, and those are always the results of human
error
> (ie not placing it far enough in).
>
> And, I have been privy to many cases of stolen birds - with most, they're
> sold soon after, and are recoverable through the chip. I knew of one
person
> who was able to get a court order to have a bird checked for chip because
> they suspected the bird was theirs ... And they won.
They were lucky. I suspect that if a thief knew someone suspected a chipped
bird was theirs, they would get the evidence out of the house befroe they
were forced to hand it over for checking. There was some concern also that a
cruel thief might try to remove the chip.
> Also, I'd be leary of any vet who requires anesthesia for chipping. I
> typically have rescues chipped under anesthesia, but only because they're
> typically being spayed or neutered at the same time, and it's just
> conveinent to have it all done at once.
Russell doesn't use anaesthetic to chip.But he is a brilliant vet anyway
:0)
>As far as birds go, well, I only
> have a 'tiel, and of course Pig's not chipped, but if I had a larger
>bird,
> you can bet it would be chipped, and the avain vet (an affiliate of the
> doctors I work for) here does not use anesthesia to chip.
>
I suppose I have old fashioned ideas and simply don't like the idea of a
piece of foreign materil to be introduced into my pet's body. If bits of
shrapnel can migrate in human bodies, in some cases to vital organs and be
life threatening, there is no reson to suppose a microchip won't migrate.
I might do some research and reading about chips and see if I change my
mind.
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| Jennifer |
> I suppose I have old fashioned ideas and simply don't like the idea of a
> piece of foreign materil to be introduced into my pet's body. If bits of
> shrapnel can migrate in human bodies, in some cases to vital organs and be
> life threatening, there is no reson to suppose a microchip won't migrate.
> I might do some research and reading about chips and see if I change my
> mind.
>
>
I found this information on AVID's site (I know that there are other chip
companies out there, but AVID is the type I use). IIRC, the chip is encased
in (some kind) of an organic substance, that aids the chip in binding to the
muscle - but that could be old, or improper information. The information
below came directly from their website.
When properly implanted, a small layer of connective tissue forms around the
microchip, preventing movement or migration of the chip. Instructions and
injection sites will vary depending upon the specie. As with any brand of
chip, AVIDŽ microchips will not migrate if instructions are followed and
implantation is correct.
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