| Ralph |
I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
and would not get another dog).
Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
they are?
If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
Thanks
Ralph New York
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| Ferret Fanatic |
In all seriousness, I would stick with just the dog until your daughters
get older.
Ralph wrote:
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
> We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> and would not get another dog).
>
> Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> they are?
>
> If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>
> So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks
> Ralph New York
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Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
The Fearless FLO!
http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
(ferret in training!)
Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
who will be in my heart forever.
ICQ: 11898312
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
I absolutely agree. Ferrets are not 'huggy' type animals and they take a
LOT of care - like having a two year old in the house and you don't get any
days off. The care for ferrets is DAILY and can't be skipped. Playtimes
must be supervised and they will be destructive if not entertained
constantly. Not a good pet for a child. Just my humble opinion.
jumpingmouse & kylie
"Ferret Fanatic" <ferretfanatic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ytWdnR-VPvedxGuiRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> In all seriousness, I would stick with just the dog until your daughters
> get older.
>
> Ralph wrote:
> > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> > bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> > care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
> >
> > We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> > my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> > pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> > and would not get another dog).
> >
> > Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> > behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> > about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> > am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> > they are?
> >
> > If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> > girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> > little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> > Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
> >
> > So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> > with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ralph New York
>
> --
> Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
> The Fearless FLO!
> http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
> Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
> (ferret in training!)
> Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
> who will be in my heart forever.
> ICQ: 11898312
>
> NEW! Baby Afghans!
> http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
>
>
>
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| Lin |
"Ferret Fanatic" <ferretfanatic@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In all seriousness, I would stick with just the dog until your daughters
> get older.
I was gonna suggest that, too. You can't really sit & pet a ferret. They're
too hyper for that. And they do nip when they play. Sure, you can train them
not to bite down hard, but are you sure you want your girls to put up w/ it
until they're trained (the ferrets, that is)?
I've never owned rabbits, but I have friends who do. Rabbits seem to be less
hyper than ferrets (from what I've seen just visiting them), & more willing
to be cuddled & petted. Again, that's just my experience as a non-rabbit
owner, just a rabbit household visitor.
Go out & get a copy of Kim Schilling's "Ferrets for Dummies", & do some
reading. Ferrets have the tendancy to develop some serious health problems,
& you have to be prepared to have a pet that could live up to about 8 yrs, &
possibly require some serious surgeries or medications ( the accompanying
serious $$$) along the way.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
> Ralph wrote:
> > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> > bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> > care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
> >
> > We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> > my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> > pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> > and would not get another dog).
> >
> > Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> > behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> > about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> > am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> > they are?
> >
> > If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> > girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> > little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> > Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
> >
> > So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> > with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ralph New York
>
> --
> Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
> The Fearless FLO!
> http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
> Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
> (ferret in training!)
> Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
> who will be in my heart forever.
> ICQ: 11898312
>
> NEW! Baby Afghans!
> http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
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| Ferret Fanatic |
Well said Lin.....
Lin wrote:
> "Ferret Fanatic" <ferretfanatic@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ytWdnR-VPvedxGuiRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>In all seriousness, I would stick with just the dog until your daughters
>>get older.
>
>
> I was gonna suggest that, too. You can't really sit & pet a ferret. They're
> too hyper for that. And they do nip when they play. Sure, you can train them
> not to bite down hard, but are you sure you want your girls to put up w/ it
> until they're trained (the ferrets, that is)?
>
> I've never owned rabbits, but I have friends who do. Rabbits seem to be less
> hyper than ferrets (from what I've seen just visiting them), & more willing
> to be cuddled & petted. Again, that's just my experience as a non-rabbit
> owner, just a rabbit household visitor.
>
> Go out & get a copy of Kim Schilling's "Ferrets for Dummies", & do some
> reading. Ferrets have the tendancy to develop some serious health problems,
> & you have to be prepared to have a pet that could live up to about 8 yrs, &
> possibly require some serious surgeries or medications ( the accompanying
> serious $$$) along the way.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
>>Ralph wrote:
>>
>>>I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
>>>with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
>>>bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
>>>care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>>>
>>>We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
>>>my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
>>>pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
>>>and would not get another dog).
>>>
>>>Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
>>>behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
>>>about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
>>>am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
>>>they are?
>>>
>>>If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
>>>girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
>>>little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
>>>Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>>>
>>>So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
>>>with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Ralph New York
>>
>>--
>>Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
>>The Fearless FLO!
>>http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
>>Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
>>(ferret in training!)
>>Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
>>who will be in my heart forever.
>>ICQ: 11898312
>>
>>NEW! Baby Afghans!
>>http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
The Fearless FLO!
http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
(ferret in training!)
Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
who will be in my heart forever.
ICQ: 11898312
NEW! Baby Afghans!
http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
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Ralph wrote:
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
> We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> and would not get another dog).
>
> Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> they are?
>
> If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>
> So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
If you couldn't control your daughters with hamsters, you shouldn't be
looking for *any* new pets. You talk as though it's all *their* fault
the hamsters died. They need a bigger parent, not a bigger pet.
Being they didn't have simple guidance from an adult on handling the
previous pets, I find it hard to believe that anyone will give them
proper direction on caring for a bigger pet.
If you are looking for *easy* to care for, you are making a serious
mistake considering ferrets.
For starters, take a minute to look at all the medical problems ferrets
have already... without being mistreated by misguided children. You are
in for a rude awakening if someone lets you purchase ferrets.
--
Brian &
The Four Furballs
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| Nanny |
I totally agree with Brian.
Nanny
": : b r i a n : :" <user@127.0.0.1> schreef in bericht
news:dgtJb.44835$Fg.4454@lakeread01...
> Ralph wrote:
> > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> > bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> > care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
> >
> > We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> > my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> > pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> > and would not get another dog).
> >
> > Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> > behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> > about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> > am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> > they are?
> >
> > If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> > girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> > little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> > Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
> >
> > So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> > with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>
> If you couldn't control your daughters with hamsters, you shouldn't be
> looking for *any* new pets. You talk as though it's all *their* fault
> the hamsters died. They need a bigger parent, not a bigger pet.
>
> Being they didn't have simple guidance from an adult on handling the
> previous pets, I find it hard to believe that anyone will give them
> proper direction on caring for a bigger pet.
>
> If you are looking for *easy* to care for, you are making a serious
> mistake considering ferrets.
>
> For starters, take a minute to look at all the medical problems ferrets
> have already... without being mistreated by misguided children. You are
> in for a rude awakening if someone lets you purchase ferrets.
>
>
> --
> Brian &
> The Four Furballs
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>
> For starters, take a minute to look at all the medical problems ferrets
> have already... without being mistreated by misguided children. You are
> in for a rude awakening if someone lets you purchase ferrets.
God forbid he gets a rabbit either.9.9
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| oldmolly |
"Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
> We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> and would not get another dog).
>
> Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> they are?
>
> If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>
> So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
Do animals a favour and don't inflict your brats upon them. They have
already managed to kill 2 innocent creatures, how many more are you willing
to allow them to torture to death.
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| oldmolly |
"Melissa Smith" <melskunk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8nvJb.19325$Vl6.3563064@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> > For starters, take a minute to look at all the medical problems ferrets
> > have already... without being mistreated by misguided children. You are
> > in for a rude awakening if someone lets you purchase ferrets.
>
> God forbid he gets a rabbit either.9.9
>
>
Sometimes I would love to meet some folks face to face and give them a wake
up slap about the lugholes.
Are people getting worse in recent years? I refused to home one of the tiny
puppies I have here, to a woman with a 2 1/2 year old child , last week.
small kids and very tiny puppies are not a safe mix. Not safe for the pup
that is. In the end she bombarded both my home phone and my mobile phone
with silent calls and abuse and death threats and I ended up having to get
the police to go along and have a work with the daft cow. People seem to
think that pets are a right. They aren't folks, they are a priviledge<sp>
You have a duty of care towards any animal you bring into your home. These
are to provide adequet safe, spacious accommodation, freedom to exhibit
natural behaviours, adequete excersize for the species, freedom of fear and
injury, and proper veterinary care when required. The moron of an OP seems
to have missed quite a few of these duties out and allowed his children to
torture to death 2 innocent animals. IMO he should be prosecuted for animal
abuse and have any remaining pets removed from his dubious care. I have no
doubt the dog only manages to survive because he is large enough to cope
with the moron of an owner and abuse of the 2 brats concerned, and if it
ever bit them in retaliation for a particularly painful piece of abuse on
their part, it would be immediately euthanased if it was lucky, and killed
if it was not.
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| Chris and Seanna |
First off wet tail can be cured with a $5.00 bottle of medicine that is
placed in their drinking water.I worked in a pet store who had a break out
and I brought three home and treated them, and they were happy healthy
hampsters a week later.Secondly, my younger brother ages 5 and 7 have a
hampster they have had him for a year and a half.My mother does not pretend
to think the k\boys can handle or care for him without an adult present.The
boys adore him, we put him in his ball and they follow him around and watch
him quite well.If allowed alone to handle and care I am sure he would have
died also, not because they are brutal, because they are kids.The fault is
not wiht your children, it is with you.Any pet YOU choose to bring home for
your children is YOUR responsibility.Get them one of those wlaking and
barking stuffed dogs until YOU grow up.
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ff6cc9a@news.greennet.net...
>
> "Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> > bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> > care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
> >
> > We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> > my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> > pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> > and would not get another dog).
> >
> > Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> > behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> > about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> > am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> > they are?
> >
> > If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> > girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> > little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> > Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
> >
> > So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> > with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>
> Do animals a favour and don't inflict your brats upon them. They have
> already managed to kill 2 innocent creatures, how many more are you
willing
> to allow them to torture to death.
>
>
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Ferrets are not a pet you need to get those kids. You would be doing a
huge disservice to your kids, and a cruel injustice to the ferrets you
carry home. Do a lot more research, and this reality will become a
little more clear for you.
rebco10@aol.com (Ralph) wrote in message news:<4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com>...
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
> We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> and would not get another dog).
>
> Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> they are?
>
> If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>
> So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks
> Ralph New York
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| Fb |
"Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died.
And you actually want to get a ferret?
I think the ferret would end up hurting one or both of your daughters.
Ferrets can bite *hard*, and draw blood easily if they want to.
I play with my ferret, chase it around, it goes mad and does the ferret
dance, bounces off the walls, and it bites me playfully, becuase it knows
the limits. But the problem is that a ferret does not know the limits to
begin with, and it takes patience and training to get them out of those bad
habits.
Maybe a rabbit would be a better idea? Or wait a while until your daughters
grow up a bit more before you get them something that requires as much love,
attention and time as a ferret.
And they need to play with it every day, change its litter frequently, keep
it clean and well maintained. Im not sure if a ferret is a good pet for two
young girls, honestly.
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| Nanny |
Having a rabbit is also not as easy as it seems, so please don't think about
any pet as long as you aren't willing to have that pet for yourself.
Nanny
"Fb" <INVALIDunownedDHSADHSH@btopenworld.com.NOSPAM> schreef in bericht
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>
> "Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > with them and unfortunatley they died.
>
> And you actually want to get a ferret?
>
> I think the ferret would end up hurting one or both of your daughters.
> Ferrets can bite *hard*, and draw blood easily if they want to.
>
> I play with my ferret, chase it around, it goes mad and does the ferret
> dance, bounces off the walls, and it bites me playfully, becuase it knows
> the limits. But the problem is that a ferret does not know the limits to
> begin with, and it takes patience and training to get them out of those
bad
> habits.
>
> Maybe a rabbit would be a better idea? Or wait a while until your
daughters
> grow up a bit more before you get them something that requires as much
love,
> attention and time as a ferret.
>
> And they need to play with it every day, change its litter frequently,
keep
> it clean and well maintained. Im not sure if a ferret is a good pet for
two
> young girls, honestly.
>
>
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| Lin |
"Nanny" <catsonline.dontlikespam@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:3ff6ceaf$0$34179$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...
> Having a rabbit is also not as easy as it seems, so please don't think
about
> any pet as long as you aren't willing to have that pet for yourself.
>
> Nanny
Excellently said. All I know about rabbits is what I've seen as a visitor to
homes that had rabbits, so I know nothing about what goes into caring for
them 24/7.
And I agree that getting pets "for the kids" isn't *ever* a good idea, esp a
type of pet they're not familiar w/. Kids & animals should ALWAYS be
strictly supervised, & the animals' day-to-day care should be the
responsibility of the parent.
We're adopting 2 kids from Kazakhstan, & although I'm told they like
animals, hell, I don't know if they even know what a ferret *is*! You'd
better believe that all the cage doors are gonna have locks on them, so the
kids can't get them out on their own. Until the kids are old enough to
understand that these are living beings w/ feelings & all that, & how to
*help us* take care of them, it ain't gonna happen.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
> "Fb" <INVALIDunownedDHSADHSH@btopenworld.com.NOSPAM> schreef in bericht
> news:bt6ics$jos$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > "Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> > > I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> > > with them and unfortunatley they died.
> >
> > And you actually want to get a ferret?
> >
> > I think the ferret would end up hurting one or both of your daughters.
> > Ferrets can bite *hard*, and draw blood easily if they want to.
> >
> > I play with my ferret, chase it around, it goes mad and does the ferret
> > dance, bounces off the walls, and it bites me playfully, becuase it
knows
> > the limits. But the problem is that a ferret does not know the limits to
> > begin with, and it takes patience and training to get them out of those
> bad
> > habits.
> >
> > Maybe a rabbit would be a better idea? Or wait a while until your
> daughters
> > grow up a bit more before you get them something that requires as much
> love,
> > attention and time as a ferret.
> >
> > And they need to play with it every day, change its litter frequently,
> keep
> > it clean and well maintained. Im not sure if a ferret is a good pet for
> two
> > young girls, honestly.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Nanny |
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> schreef in bericht
news:eOCJb.7773$_q5.2270@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>
> "Nanny" <catsonline.dontlikespam@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:3ff6ceaf$0$34179$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...
> > Having a rabbit is also not as easy as it seems, so please don't think
> about
> > any pet as long as you aren't willing to have that pet for yourself.
> >
> > Nanny
>
> Excellently said. All I know about rabbits is what I've seen as a visitor
to
> homes that had rabbits, so I know nothing about what goes into caring for
> them 24/7.
>
> And I agree that getting pets "for the kids" isn't *ever* a good idea, esp
a
> type of pet they're not familiar w/. Kids & animals should ALWAYS be
> strictly supervised, & the animals' day-to-day care should be the
> responsibility of the parent.
>
> We're adopting 2 kids from Kazakhstan, & although I'm told they like
> animals, hell, I don't know if they even know what a ferret *is*! You'd
> better believe that all the cage doors are gonna have locks on them, so
the
> kids can't get them out on their own. Until the kids are old enough to
> understand that these are living beings w/ feelings & all that, & how to
> *help us* take care of them, it ain't gonna happen.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
I thought rabbits were simple until a friend of mine took in 2 rabbits,
from, guess what, a home where the children didn't take care of them
anymore, and the mother had no time. When she was telling me about keeping
them and about their food and everything it started to sound like taking
care of ferrets, at least if you want to do it right :-)
Nanny
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
Just to give you an idea of possible future expenses..........I spent $1,000
on one ferret in a year's period of time and even then he needed to be
handfed every three hours for the next three years. It's not only a
possibility that you could get into a problem like this, ask around, it's
not that unusual. Get some big stuffed animals that your kids can flop on
to watch TV and hug all they want - no care, no expense!
jumpingmouse & kylie
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| bg@msn.com |
>I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
>with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
>bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
>care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
>We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
>my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
>pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
>and would not get another dog).
>
You should probably get rabbits, they taste better
(for after your kids kill them off also)
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| Marty |
As far as biting goes,a rabbit can be quite effective at turning human flesh
to hamburger if mishandled. Those rodent teeth and powerful back legs are
great defense weapons.
Marty
> I thought rabbits were simple until a friend of mine took in 2 rabbits,
> from, guess what, a home where the children didn't take care of them
> anymore, and the mother had no time. When she was telling me about keeping
> them and about their food and everything it started to sound like taking
> care of ferrets, at least if you want to do it right :-)
>
> Nanny
>
>
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| Jason and Holly Harper |
Rabbits are lagomorphs not rodents.
I've had two rabbits in my life and unless there is supervision during
playtime I wouldn't suggest one for child. There's a lot more care that
goes into a rabbit than a lot of people realize. They're very sensitive
animals, and if not handled properly can sustain rather serious injury.
Holly
"Marty" <pyromarty@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uLYJb.1250$5c5.468148260@twister2.starband.net...
> As far as biting goes,a rabbit can be quite effective at turning human
flesh
> to hamburger if mishandled. Those rodent teeth and powerful back legs are
> great defense weapons.
>
> Marty
>
>
> > I thought rabbits were simple until a friend of mine took in 2 rabbits,
> > from, guess what, a home where the children didn't take care of them
> > anymore, and the mother had no time. When she was telling me about
keeping
> > them and about their food and everything it started to sound like taking
> > care of ferrets, at least if you want to do it right :-)
> >
> > Nanny
> >
> >
>
>
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| Marty |
"Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
news:iddKb.823$Nd.790451@newshog.newsread.com...
> Rabbits are lagomorphs not rodents.
My bad.
> I've had two rabbits in my life and unless there is supervision during
> playtime I wouldn't suggest one for child. There's a lot more care that
> goes into a rabbit than a lot of people realize. They're very sensitive
> animals, and if not handled properly can sustain rather serious injury.
>
> Holly
This is true with ANY pet IMHO.
I was fortunate enough to have parents that held us kids accountable for our
promises to care for our animals. The care for the animals came first. We
got up 2hrs.early to take care of our chores. It took that long because my
brother and I were involved with a nearby dairy farm,we had a 1 acre sized
garden,had to feed/care for our 2 dogs,several guinea pigs,a pony and a shed
full of rabbit hutches. We were also heavily involved in 4-H.
In our adult lives my brother ended up as a 50% partner in the dairy farm
and I ended up with a horse stable and grain farm.
It all started with a lifetime commitment to our first dog.
My wife and I fell in love with ferrets when we were at a horse show. This
couple had 2 of them harnessed and leashed snoozing on their laps.
We asked many questions which they were eager to answer,did research,our
large animal vet referred us to a ferret knowledgeable vet and we found
Rusty,a 1yr.old (freedom trained) blaze male that a young lady couldn't take
to college. We have had ferts ever since. We lost Rusty this last summer,he
was about 9 1/2 years old.
Still get choked up when I think of him,darn ferts.
Sorry for rambling,
Marty
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| jremed |
I have not had rabbits, but know people that have.
I have 3 ferrets and they are great to play with, to me they are like
kittens that never turn into cats.
The little bites are important, and babies or adult, ferrets will bite until
trained out of it, and sometimes after that.
I just used to give a little tug on their whiskers when they bite,
eventually they stopped, but you have to be determined about it.
I highly recommend getting more than one, 2-4 is great, anymore then 4 and
you spend all your time cleaning the litter boxes. but having more then one
gives them someone to play with which is very importent because ferrets are
very social animals.
how's that?
jremed@nfld.com
"Ralph" <rebco10@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4d1833eb.0401022121.2b997c74@posting.google.com...
> I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
> We are toying with the idea of a Rabbit or a ferret. Before I go on
> my main question is.. What is your honest opinion of either one for a
> pet? They want sometihg to pet. (we have a golden retriever we love
> and would not get another dog).
>
> Now to move on. I saw two male ferrets in a toy store. Really well
> behaved and the girls were playing with them. I had a ferret for
> about 6 years when I was younger. The two for sale are not babies. I
> am told they are about 7 months old. Is there any way to tell how old
> they are?
>
> If I do get a ferret, it would actually be these two. When I took the
> girls to look at some young ones, they were not comfortable with the
> little bites. I think it would be better to just pass on that part.
> Of course I do want a young one, or pair.
>
> So back to the original part of the posting. If you have experience
> with both ferrets and rabbits, please let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks
> Ralph New York
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| oldmolly |
"Marty" <pyromarty@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uQgKb.1442$Xd5.530376766@twister2.starband.net...
>
> "Jason and Holly Harper" <jhharper@tm.net> wrote in message
> news:iddKb.823$Nd.790451@newshog.newsread.com...
> > Rabbits are lagomorphs not rodents.
>
> My bad.
>
> > I've had two rabbits in my life and unless there is supervision during
> > playtime I wouldn't suggest one for child. There's a lot more care that
> > goes into a rabbit than a lot of people realize. They're very sensitive
> > animals, and if not handled properly can sustain rather serious injury.
> >
> > Holly
>
> This is true with ANY pet IMHO.
> I was fortunate enough to have parents that held us kids accountable for
our
> promises to care for our animals. The care for the animals came first. We
> got up 2hrs.early to take care of our chores. It took that long because my
> brother and I were involved with a nearby dairy farm,we had a 1 acre sized
> garden,had to feed/care for our 2 dogs,several guinea pigs,a pony and a
shed
> full of rabbit hutches. We were also heavily involved in 4-H.
>
> In our adult lives my brother ended up as a 50% partner in the dairy farm
> and I ended up with a horse stable and grain farm.
> It all started with a lifetime commitment to our first dog.
>
> My wife and I fell in love with ferrets when we were at a horse show. This
> couple had 2 of them harnessed and leashed snoozing on their laps.
> We asked many questions which they were eager to answer,did research,our
> large animal vet referred us to a ferret knowledgeable vet and we found
> Rusty,a 1yr.old (freedom trained) blaze male that a young lady couldn't
take
> to college. We have had ferts ever since. We lost Rusty this last
summer,he
> was about 9 1/2 years old.
> Still get choked up when I think of him,darn ferts.
>
Not rambling at all. A nice post. Sadly I had parents like the OP. Got
pets, neglected them and got rid of them the easiest way possible.
Each time this happened my heart was broken as I was passionately fond of
animals right from little. I believe that this is one of the reasons that I
have so many animals now, and why I get so raging spitting mad when I hear
about abuse.
And if I find who took my fluffy kitten fro my front garden last week I
will end up on an assault charge, because middle aged or not middle aged,
when I flip I feel no pain and simply want to do damage. I will flip over my
kitten as she adored me and I lie awake at night worrying in case she is
scared or wonders where I am. Don't worry though folks, I will only get
arrested and bound over for a couple of years, they won't send me away :0)
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| PES949 |
I am surprised at the responses here. Lots of opinions but none have asked bout
the kids involved. How old are they? I have 2 ferrets that we got for my 13
year old son. He is taking the responsibility of care seriously and the ferrets
are perfect for him as he likes the active nature of the ferrets. Keep in mind
that ferrets will live about 8 years so be ready to care for then as your kids
get older and move out if needed. They do cuddle nicely after a good play
session. I must admit we have a full house of pets already so we are probably
better prepared for care of ferrets. I suggest you do lots of research on
ferret care first though. If you kids are really young I would wait for ferrets
as the kids need to be very alert and quick when playing with ferrets.
As for the dog in your home, we have a very large dog and although he is used
to other animals we have to VERY carefully supervise their time together since
the ferrets are very playful and can surprise the dog. You must be sensitive to
existing animals when bringing a new animal home.
Ferrets may seem tough but you would be surprised how easily they can be
stressed or injured. So you kids need to be taught how to deal with ferrets as
well.
We have in our house....
Lots of fish (over 50)
1 Tadpole
2 Guinea Pigs
2 Bearded Dragons
1 Corn Snake
2 Hampsters
2 Ferrets
1 Cat (thinks its a dog)
1 BIG dog (thinks its a cat)
4 Humans (very expensive to upkeep)
So, if you (not your daughters) are willing to take responsibility get the
ferrets. I assume you are the lead human in the house. Teach your offspring the
joy and responsibilities of living with animals. It will last a lifetime.
Rabbits... Need lots of care just as a ferret does. They stress easily as well.
Ferrets are more fun IMHO.
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| Ferret Fanatic |
he already lost 2 hamsters to mishandling by the kids, why would we want
to subject a ferret to the same?
PES949 wrote:
> I am surprised at the responses here. Lots of opinions but none have asked bout
> the kids involved. How old are they? I have 2 ferrets that we got for my 13
> year old son. He is taking the responsibility of care seriously and the ferrets
> are perfect for him as he likes the active nature of the ferrets. Keep in mind
> that ferrets will live about 8 years so be ready to care for then as your kids
> get older and move out if needed. They do cuddle nicely after a good play
> session. I must admit we have a full house of pets already so we are probably
> better prepared for care of ferrets. I suggest you do lots of research on
> ferret care first though. If you kids are really young I would wait for ferrets
> as the kids need to be very alert and quick when playing with ferrets.
> As for the dog in your home, we have a very large dog and although he is used
> to other animals we have to VERY carefully supervise their time together since
> the ferrets are very playful and can surprise the dog. You must be sensitive to
> existing animals when bringing a new animal home.
> Ferrets may seem tough but you would be surprised how easily they can be
> stressed or injured. So you kids need to be taught how to deal with ferrets as
> well.
> We have in our house....
> Lots of fish (over 50)
> 1 Tadpole
> 2 Guinea Pigs
> 2 Bearded Dragons
> 1 Corn Snake
> 2 Hampsters
> 2 Ferrets
> 1 Cat (thinks its a dog)
> 1 BIG dog (thinks its a cat)
> 4 Humans (very expensive to upkeep)
>
> So, if you (not your daughters) are willing to take responsibility get the
> ferrets. I assume you are the lead human in the house. Teach your offspring the
> joy and responsibilities of living with animals. It will last a lifetime.
>
> Rabbits... Need lots of care just as a ferret does. They stress easily as well.
> Ferrets are more fun IMHO.
--
Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
The Fearless FLO!
http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
(ferret in training!)
Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
who will be in my heart forever.
ICQ: 11898312
NEW! Baby Afghans!
http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
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| oldmolly |
"PES949" <pes949@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040105174503.04265.00002353@mb-m29.aol.com...
> I am surprised at the responses here. Lots of opinions but none have asked
bout
> the kids involved. How old are they?
If they have managed to mishandle and kill 2 hamsters what does it matter
how old they are?
>I have 2 ferrets that we got for my 13
> year old son. He is taking the responsibility of care seriously and the
ferrets
> are perfect for him as he likes the active nature of the ferrets.
how is this relevant to the fact that the OP is an idiot and has children
who misandle their pets and a father who does nothing to stop them?
>Keep in mind
> that ferrets will live about 8 years so be ready to care for then as your
kids
> get older and move out if needed. They do cuddle nicely after a good play
> session.
*your* ferret might cuddle. Not one of mine will.
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| PES949 |
I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My response
clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is something to
be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true demise of
the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should also
encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
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| jremed |
What's the matter mommy didn't smack you enough growing up? I am trying to
be helpful. My Ferrets very rarely bite and when they do they do, it is soft
enough not to hurt. I Like to have my ferrets out in the population and
around little kids and their grumpy parents that would like to PUT DOWN the
monster that bit my child...
So retard, if you cant train your ferrets not to bite, just dont bother the
rest of us in the real world okay. They can roll over too, amazing.
and dont bother posting back, your comments were not appreciated the first
time and anything else you say will just be a turn off to the new ferret
owners of the world.
jremed
"futureworlds" <nobody@mail.futureworlds.it> wrote in message
news:35e99f3b4f6573c0e92819e51c797a50@mail.futureworlds.it...
> In article <WYiKb.52356$IF6.1156330@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
> "jremed" <jremed@nfld.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have not had rabbits, but know people that have.
> > I have 3 ferrets and they are great to play with, to me they are like
> > kittens that never turn into cats.
> > The little bites are important, and babies or adult, ferrets will bite
until
> > trained out of it, and sometimes after that.
> > I just used to give a little tug on their whiskers when they bite,
> > eventually they stopped, but you have to be determined about it.
> > I highly recommend getting more than one, 2-4 is great, anymore then 4
and
> > you spend all your time cleaning the litter boxes. but having more then
one
> > gives them someone to play with which is very importent because ferrets
are
> > very social animals.
> > how's that?
> >
> > jremed@nfld.com
>
> There you have it folks. More great advice from a f'ing retard.
>
> Ferrets don't bite until 'trained out of it'... they bite
> assholes like you who don't know how to treat them. Now move on
> troll.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| oldmolly |
"PES949" <pes949@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040106102027.10830.00001387@mb-m24.aol.com...
> I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My
response
> clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is
something to
> be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true demise
of
> the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should also
> encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
>
*why* should we? He has already admitted his brats were no good with small
animalks. Why should anyone pussyfoot about and offer advice? What is
happening in the world today where nobody should say anything bad to anyone
else?
If someone kills an animal, nobody should say "you are a cruel b@stard, and
are too stupid to own an animal", instead we should say "I understand your
frustration in being unable to care for the animal, society was at fault for
mnot allowing you to express your true feelings, so that you got frustrated
and killed the animal, well done you for restraining yourself and allowing
it to live as long as it did. At least you tried".
Well bull****. If someone does something stupid, cruel or ****ty, I am
happy to tell them so and bollocks if I upset them.
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| John&Diane Kolomijez |
This person admits that his two children injured/killed the hamsters. Then
this person asks for suggestions on ANOTHER MORE STURDY type of animal for
his children?? What???? Are they going to keep getting different animals
to see which type can endure pain & torture and live through it???
The last thing this family needs is encouragement to get another pet for
their kids. It's not the kids' fault, BTW....they don't know any better
because the PARENTS don't know any better.
The *education* part is simple. Here's the lesson: Your kids killed the
hamster because YOU, as parents are not responsible in supervision with your
kids around ANY animal. Christmas is over, but perhaps you can find a sale
on a *Chia Pet*.
Diane & The Boops
"oldmolly" <oldmolly@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ffb4768@news.greennet.net...
>
> "PES949" <pes949@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040106102027.10830.00001387@mb-m24.aol.com...
> > I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My
> response
> > clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is
> something to
> > be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true
demise
> of
> > the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should also
> > encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
> >
> *why* should we? He has already admitted his brats were no good with
small
> animalks. Why should anyone pussyfoot about and offer advice? What is
> happening in the world today where nobody should say anything bad to
anyone
> else?
> If someone kills an animal, nobody should say "you are a cruel b@stard,
and
> are too stupid to own an animal", instead we should say "I understand your
> frustration in being unable to care for the animal, society was at fault
for
> mnot allowing you to express your true feelings, so that you got
frustrated
> and killed the animal, well done you for restraining yourself and allowing
> it to live as long as it did. At least you tried".
> Well bull****. If someone does something stupid, cruel or ****ty, I am
> happy to tell them so and bollocks if I upset them.
>
>
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PES949 wrote:
> I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My response
> clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is something to
> be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true demise of
> the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should also
> encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
>
Who cares? The original poster is obviously a troll, or has realized
the truth. His kids don't need a bigger animal--they don't need any
animals.
--
Brian
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| Lin |
"John&Diane Kolomijez" <kolo2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:hAFKb.26294$WQ3.4227@lakeread05...
> This person admits that his two children injured/killed the hamsters.
Then
> this person asks for suggestions on ANOTHER MORE STURDY type of animal for
> his children?? What???? Are they going to keep getting different
animals
> to see which type can endure pain & torture and live through it???
>
> The last thing this family needs is encouragement to get another pet for
> their kids. It's not the kids' fault, BTW....they don't know any better
> because the PARENTS don't know any better.
>
> The *education* part is simple. Here's the lesson: Your kids killed the
> hamster because YOU, as parents are not responsible in supervision with
your
> kids around ANY animal. Christmas is over, but perhaps you can find a
sale
> on a *Chia Pet*.
>
> Diane & The Boops
<standing up & applauding wildly> Well said, as usual, Diane!!
The ultimate responsibility of any "family pet" is the ADULTS. If the adults
aren't capable or willing to monitor their childrens' treatment of the
family pet, no matter *what* the child's age, they shouldn't have the pet.
Period.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon
>
>
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3ffb4768@news.greennet.net...
> >
> > "PES949" <pes949@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040106102027.10830.00001387@mb-m24.aol.com...
> > > I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My
> > response
> > > clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is
> > something to
> > > be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true
> demise
> > of
> > > the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should
also
> > > encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
> > >
> > *why* should we? He has already admitted his brats were no good with
> small
> > animalks. Why should anyone pussyfoot about and offer advice? What is
> > happening in the world today where nobody should say anything bad to
> anyone
> > else?
> > If someone kills an animal, nobody should say "you are a cruel b@stard,
> and
> > are too stupid to own an animal", instead we should say "I understand
your
> > frustration in being unable to care for the animal, society was at fault
> for
> > mnot allowing you to express your true feelings, so that you got
> frustrated
> > and killed the animal, well done you for restraining yourself and
allowing
> > it to live as long as it did. At least you tried".
> > Well bull****. If someone does something stupid, cruel or ****ty, I am
> > happy to tell them so and bollocks if I upset them.
> >
> >
>
>
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| swamp |
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:37:45 -0500, : : b r i a n : : <user@127.0.0.1>
wrote:
>PES949 wrote:
>> I still say the OP needs some real advice instead of criticism. My response
>> clearly identified that close attention is needed. Animal care is something to
>> be learned and it takes commitment. I really wonder about the true demise of
>> the hampsters. The OP should provide far more detail and we should also
>> encourage the OP to do extensive research into the real problem.
Agreed.
>Who cares? The original poster is obviously a troll, or has realized
>the truth.
If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
The truth..?
>His kids don't need a bigger animal--they don't need any animals.
A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
"Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
questions..?
Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
themselves.
What are you guys thinking?
-- swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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swamp wrote:
> If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
There can definitely be an "or" in whether or not someone is a troll.
> The truth..?
The truth that he can't put total blame on his kids, and he can blame
himself for the death of the animals too.
>>His kids don't need a bigger animal--they don't need any animals.
>
> A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
> in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
There were more people making comments about this guy having animals,
and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by many.
I don't think you have any basis to say I think I'm perfect. Where is
there any proof or fact that I am, or claim to be an expert in the field
of "keeping animals? If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
things like loosing a ferret twice.
Obviously you are the "bench holder" in judging whether or not peoples'
opinions are valid or not--you obviously are *perfect* in this area and
I am wasting my time replying.
> "Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
> questions..?
Ralph can help avoid future mistakes by helping his children learn how
to properly handle animals.
> Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
> never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
> incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
> idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
> themselves.
When the cage is filthy, they've **** all over his house, they get sick
and die, maybe he will realize there is more to having pets in a home
than just bringing them home and making his children happy. Ut
> What are you guys thinking?
A lot of things.
--
Brian
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You tell 'em Brian!! Well said.
jumpingmouse & kylie
": : b r i a n : :" <user@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:BpTKb.54039$Fg.22831@lakeread01...
> swamp wrote:
> > If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
>
> There can definitely be an "or" in whether or not someone is a troll.
>
> > The truth..?
>
> The truth that he can't put total blame on his kids, and he can blame
> himself for the death of the animals too.
>
> >>His kids don't need a bigger animal--they don't need any animals.
> >
> > A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
> > in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
>
> There were more people making comments about this guy having animals,
> and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by
many.
>
> I don't think you have any basis to say I think I'm perfect. Where is
> there any proof or fact that I am, or claim to be an expert in the field
> of "keeping animals? If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
> questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
> things like loosing a ferret twice.
>
> Obviously you are the "bench holder" in judging whether or not peoples'
> opinions are valid or not--you obviously are *perfect* in this area and
> I am wasting my time replying.
>
> > "Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
> > questions..?
>
> Ralph can help avoid future mistakes by helping his children learn how
> to properly handle animals.
>
> > Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
> > never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
> > incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
> > idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
> > themselves.
>
> When the cage is filthy, they've **** all over his house, they get sick
> and die, maybe he will realize there is more to having pets in a home
> than just bringing them home and making his children happy. Ut
>
> > What are you guys thinking?
>
> A lot of things.
>
> --
> Brian
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:00:20 -0500, : : b r i a n : : <user@127.0.0.1>
wrote:
>swamp wrote:
> > If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
>
>There can definitely be an "or" in whether or not someone is a troll.
....only if s/he's not an "obvious" troll. Your word. Stick by it.
> > The truth..?
>
>The truth that he can't put total blame on his kids, and he can blame
>himself for the death of the animals too.
Alright, Your Honor.
> >>His kids don't need a bigger animal--they don't need any animals.
> >
> > A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
> > in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
>
>There were more people making comments about this guy having animals,
>and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by many.
By 3. Alright, Your Honors, I present my case:
>I don't think you have any basis to say I think I'm perfect. Where is
>there any proof or fact that I am, or claim to be an expert in the field
>of "keeping animals?
....your condemnation of another w/o listening. What's "wet bottom
disease?" What sort of "sickness" did the first hamster get? You guys
didn't even bother to ask, so you don't have a clue.
>If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
>questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
>things like loosing a ferret twice.
Then why judge another for doing the same?
>Obviously you are the "bench holder" in judging whether or not peoples'
>opinions are valid or not--you obviously are *perfect* in this area and
>I am wasting my time replying.
....not perfect, but I'll wager I'm better at it than you.
> > "Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
> > questions..?
>
>Ralph can help avoid future mistakes by helping his children learn how
>to properly handle animals.
Agreed, and one way to do that is ask for advice, for which "he" was
roundly criticized here. And none of you Grand Inquisitors asked for
details. You judged and sentenced. I suspect you were perturbed by her
(I'll bet Ralph's a "her") use of the word "toying."
> > Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
> > never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
> > incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
> > idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
> > themselves.
>
>When the cage is filthy, they've **** all over his house, they get sick
>and die, maybe he will realize there is more to having pets in a home
>than just bringing them home and making his children happy. Ut
You're making a lot of assumptions.
> > What are you guys thinking?
>
>A lot of things.
Uh-huh. Teaching or preaching?
-- swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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swamp,
Maybe you should read this first paragraph of the post again:
>I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
>with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
>bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
>care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
Now, I agree that some of these people are getting a little harsh, my
advice was for now he should just stick with the dog for his daughters
until they got older. That first paragraph is what formed my opinion
that if these hamsters were being mishandled, a ferret would fare no better.
As for "wet bottom disease" it can be cured quite easily with an
inexpensive bottle of medicine made just for it available at any pet store.
--
Vicki L. Henderson-aka-Ferret Fanatic
The Fearless FLO!
http://www.geocities.com/vlh1
Taylor, General Kaos and Earnhardt
(ferret in training!)
Sadly missing Buzz,Woody,Jinx, Miss Tizzy & Ginger Snap
who will be in my heart forever.
ICQ: 11898312
NEW! Baby Afghans!
http://www.geocities.com/babyafghans
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swamp wrote:
>>>If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
>>
>>There can definitely be an "or" in whether or not someone is a troll.
>
> ...only if s/he's not an "obvious" troll. Your word. Stick by it.
Someone can appear to obviously be a troll, but turn out not being one.
I realize the person might be afraid or pissed at the replies here,
but by definition they are a troll if they don't add anything to this
conversation.
Looking back at my original statement though, I see you are correct in
pointing out my mistake. I should have used the word "and" instead of
"or". Thank you.
>>>The truth..?
>>
>>The truth that he can't put total blame on his kids, and he can blame
>>himself for the death of the animals too.
>
> Alright, Your Honor.
Just my opinion... just like you having an opinion about my opinion
being in the wrong. It seems OK for you to judge me, so you are
obviously just as "honorable" as I am, making it unnecessary to use the
title of "Honor" when referring to me.
> ...your condemnation of another w/o listening. What's "wet bottom
> disease?" What sort of "sickness" did the first hamster get? You guys
> didn't even bother to ask, so you don't have a clue.
I didn't need to ask the above questions. I did read and think about
what the person said--I looked up "wet bottom disease" after seeing it
mentioned in the original post. And after looking up information on
"wet tail" it was clear the hamster died from a simple, easily curable
disease; but apparently not easy enough to fit within the posters
opinion of "...easy to care for".
Did I have to look up Wet Tail? Did I have to ask what the other
hamster's sickness was? No. Because regardless of what the hamster was
sick with, it's quite clear why the hamsters died. The poster said:
|| I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
|| with them and unfortunatley they died.
I don't know about you, but when I read "... too rough with *them* and
unfortunately *they* died." I don't care if the one hamster had a
sickness or not, it's clear the poster's children were too rough and
killed them both. Who says that?? I didn't, the poster did.
>>>A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
>>>in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
>>
>>There were more people making comments about this guy having animals, and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by many.
>>If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
>>questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
>>things like loosing a ferret twice.
>
> Then why judge another for doing the same?
It's not the same at all; I wasn't judging the person's animal keeping
ability or knowledge at all. I think it's quite clear I judged the
parental ability of this guy (lack of actually) from the beginning of
this conversation. From the start I was only pointing out there were
more people to blame beside the children for the hamsters dying, and
that IMHO needing a bigger animal wasn't the problem.
>>Obviously you are the "bench holder" in judging whether or not peoples'
>>opinions are valid or not--you obviously are *perfect* in this area and
>>I am wasting my time replying.
>
> ...not perfect, but I'll wager I'm better at it than you.
LOL. So it's alright for you to judge people because you are "better at
it" than me? Noted.
>>>"Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
>>>questions..?
>>
>>Ralph can help avoid future mistakes by helping his children learn how
>>to properly handle animals.
>
> Agreed, and one way to do that is ask for advice, for which "he" was
> roundly criticized here. And none of you Grand Inquisitors asked for
> details. You judged and sentenced. I suspect you were perturbed by her
> (I'll bet Ralph's a "her") use of the word "toying."
No, I was perturbed from the beginning when the poster mentioned needing
a larger animal, because his children mistreated smaller ones. And yes,
you are correct... I did decide from the very beginning he was wrong.
>>>Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
>>>never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
>>>incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
>>>idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
>>>themselves.
>>
>>When the cage is filthy, they've **** all over his house, they get sick
>>and die, maybe he will realize there is more to having pets in a home
>>than just bringing them home and making his children happy. Ut
>
> You're making a lot of assumptions.
>
Maybe. But again it's my opinion. Although when you consider they
couldn't solve a simple and easily curable sickness in a little hamster,
it's pretty easy for me to foresee the aforementioned events occurring.
--
Brian
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"John&Diane Kolomijez" <kolo2@cox.net> wrote in message news:hAFKb.26294$WQ3.4227@lakeread05...
> This person admits that his two children injured/killed the hamsters.
Where did he say that? All I see is one post from him where he
states:
"I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were
too rough with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick
the other had wet bottom disease from stress."
Allow me to point out that saying A occurred and B occurred is not
the same as saying that B occurred as a result of A occurring. Whether
or not Ralph intended for that second sentence to communicate cause
and effect is unclear. Given that he misspelled hamsters and referred
to "Wet Tail" disease as "Wet Bottom" disease, there is reason to
question whether he even has enough experience to make such a call.
For all we know, the "rough" treatment wasn't as rough as some are
assuming. For all we know, the hamsters were sick when they were
brought home and symptoms developed days later, or a contagion
was introduced down the road.
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"Null" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:3ffd0b8b$0$6761$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
>
> "John&Diane Kolomijez" <kolo2@cox.net> wrote in message
news:hAFKb.26294$WQ3.4227@lakeread05...
> > This person admits that his two children injured/killed the hamsters.
>
> Where did he say that? All I see is one post from him where he
> states:
>
> "I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were
> too rough with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick
> the other had wet bottom disease from stress."
You quoted it back yourself....the key words in that one sentence "too
rough, died, wet bottom disease from stress". That's an admission that the
hamsters were injured & died. Clear as rain to me.
Diane & The Boops
>
> Allow me to point out that saying A occurred and B occurred is not
> the same as saying that B occurred as a result of A occurring. Whether
> or not Ralph intended for that second sentence to communicate cause
> and effect is unclear. Given that he misspelled hamsters and referred
> to "Wet Tail" disease as "Wet Bottom" disease, there is reason to
> question whether he even has enough experience to make such a call.
> For all we know, the "rough" treatment wasn't as rough as some are
> assuming. For all we know, the hamsters were sick when they were
> brought home and symptoms developed days later, or a contagion
> was introduced down the road.
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Uh...gang...APF is NOT the place to start laying semantics about....Heh! We are simply too
opinionated and/or narrow minded for it to work!
(Need I add....IMHO?)
<<GRIN>>
Null wrote:
> "John&Diane Kolomijez" <kolo2@cox.net> wrote in message news:hAFKb.26294$WQ3.4227@lakeread05...
> > This person admits that his two children injured/killed the hamsters.
>
> Where did he say that? All I see is one post from him where he
> states:
>
> "I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were
> too rough with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick
> the other had wet bottom disease from stress."
>
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:20:44 -0500, : : b r i a n : : <user@127.0.0.1>
wrote:
>swamp wrote:
>
>>>>If he's obviously a troll there's no "or..."
>>>
>>>There can definitely be an "or" in whether or not someone is a troll.
>>
>> ...only if s/he's not an "obvious" troll. Your word. Stick by it.
>
>Someone can appear to obviously be a troll, but turn out not being one.
> I realize the person might be afraid or pissed at the replies here,
>but by definition they are a troll if they don't add anything to this
>conversation.
>
>Looking back at my original statement though, I see you are correct in
>pointing out my mistake. I should have used the word "and" instead of
>"or". Thank you.
Yep, Boolean math.
>>>>The truth..?
>>>
>>>The truth that he can't put total blame on his kids, and he can blame
>>>himself for the death of the animals too.
>>
>> Alright, Your Honor.
>
>Just my opinion... just like you having an opinion about my opinion
>being in the wrong. It seems OK for you to judge me, so you are
>obviously just as "honorable" as I am, making it unnecessary to use the
>title of "Honor" when referring to me.
Should've been Your Honors. You weren't the only one, *and*, I'm
judging responses not *people*. There's a big difference.
>> ...your condemnation of another w/o listening. What's "wet bottom
>> disease?" What sort of "sickness" did the first hamster get? You guys
>> didn't even bother to ask, so you don't have a clue.
>
>I didn't need to ask the above questions. I did read and think about
>what the person said--I looked up "wet bottom disease" after seeing it
>mentioned in the original post. And after looking up information on
>"wet tail" it was clear the hamster died from a simple, easily curable
>disease; but apparently not easy enough to fit within the posters
>opinion of "...easy to care for".
ok, how did you look up "one got sick?"
>Did I have to look up Wet Tail? Did I have to ask what the other
>hamster's sickness was? No. Because regardless of what the hamster was
>sick with, it's quite clear why the hamsters died. The poster said:
>
>|| I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
>|| with them and unfortunatley they died.
>
>I don't know about you, but when I read "... too rough with *them* and
>unfortunately *they* died." I don't care if the one hamster had a
>sickness or not, it's clear the poster's children were too rough and
>killed them both. Who says that?? I didn't, the poster did.
You "don't care" based on..? "Rough" handling doesn't cause sickness.
>>>>A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
>>>>in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
>>>
>>>There were more people making comments about this guy having animals, and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by many.
>>>If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
>>>questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
>>>things like loosing a ferret twice.
>>
>> Then why judge another for doing the same?
>
>It's not the same at all; I wasn't judging the person's animal keeping
>ability or knowledge at all.
Of course you were. You replied:
"If you couldn't control your daughters with hamsters, you shouldn't
be looking for *any* new pets."
Message-ID: <dgtJb.44835$Fg.4454@lakeread01>
I'd say that fits under the definition of "judgemental."
>I think it's quite clear I judged the parental ability of this guy (lack of actually)
>from the beginning of this conversation.
Agreed.
>From the start I was only pointing out there were
>more people to blame beside the children for the hamsters dying, and
>that IMHO needing a bigger animal wasn't the problem.
Would you say your comments were helpful?
>>>Obviously you are the "bench holder" in judging whether or not peoples'
>>>opinions are valid or not--you obviously are *perfect* in this area and
>>>I am wasting my time replying.
>>
>> ...not perfect, but I'll wager I'm better at it than you.
>
>LOL. So it's alright for you to judge people because you are "better at
>it" than me? Noted.
Once again, I judge the post, not the person.
>>>>"Ralph" is looking to avoid future mistakes, which might explain the
>>>>questions..?
>>>
>>>Ralph can help avoid future mistakes by helping his children learn how
>>>to properly handle animals.
>>
>> Agreed, and one way to do that is ask for advice, for which "he" was
>> roundly criticized here. And none of you Grand Inquisitors asked for
>> details. You judged and sentenced. I suspect you were perturbed by her
>> (I'll bet Ralph's a "her") use of the word "toying."
>
>No, I was perturbed from the beginning when the poster mentioned needing
>a larger animal, because his children mistreated smaller ones. And yes,
>you are correct... I did decide from the very beginning he was wrong.
Your Honor, I rest my case.
>>>>Unfortunately, the truth is "Ralph" will get his kids the ferrets and
>>>>never seek advice here again, and I wouldn't blame him. "You're an
>>>>incompetent parent and you and your children are animal abusing
>>>>idiots" is hardly good advice. It only makes people feel worse about
>>>>themselves.
>>>
>>>When the cage is filthy, they've **** all over his house, they get sick
>>>and die, maybe he will realize there is more to having pets in a home
>>>than just bringing them home and making his children happy. Ut
>>
>> You're making a lot of assumptions.
>>
>
>Maybe. But again it's my opinion. Although when you consider they
>couldn't solve a simple and easily curable sickness in a little hamster,
>it's pretty easy for me to foresee the aforementioned events occurring.
Bottom line: The last we want is thin-skinned new ferret owners afraid
to ask questions here. apf should be a resource, not a tribunal.
imo,
-- swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:21:44 -0500, Ferret Fanatic
<ferretfanatic@comcast.net> wrote:
>swamp,
>Maybe you should read this first paragraph of the post again:
>
> >I had some hampsters for my daughters. However they were too rough
> >with them and unfortunatley they died. One got sick the other had wet
> >bottom disease from stress. I really love the little guys, easy to
> >care for and cute. However, my girls need something bigger.
>
>Now, I agree that some of these people are getting a little harsh, my
>advice was for now he should just stick with the dog for his daughters
>until they got older. That first paragraph is what formed my opinion
>that if these hamsters were being mishandled, a ferret would fare no better.
In practising what *I* preach, I'm not blaming anyone. In general, I
don't think "You shouldn't own ferrets (animals)..." is the wisest
response. To wit, we've not heard from "Ralph" again. Have we
prevented "Ralph" from getting ferrets for his daughters..? Probably
not. imo, the most likely outcome of "Ralph's" experience on apf is
ferrets for the daughters and a screw-what-we-think attitude.
>As for "wet bottom disease" it can be cured quite easily with an
>inexpensive bottle of medicine made just for it available at any pet store.
ok, I didn't know that. *If* "Ralph" is still lurking maybe "he" does
too.
-- swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
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swamp wrote:
>>>>>A judgment rendered by brian and old molly, who are both bench holders
>>>>>in animal law and *perfect* in all manners of keeping animals. Maybe
>>>>
>>>>There were more people making comments about this guy having animals, and it was not limited to me and Molly--that is a judgment rendered by many.
>>>>If I were perfect I wouldn't be here asking
>>>>questions about my ferrets, and I definitely wouldn't have posted about
>>>>things like loosing a ferret twice.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then why judge another for doing the same?
>>
>>It's not the same at all; I wasn't judging the person's animal keeping
>>ability or knowledge at all.
>
>
> Of course you were. You replied:
>
> "If you couldn't control your daughters with hamsters, you shouldn't
> be looking for *any* new pets."
>
> Message-ID: <dgtJb.44835$Fg.4454@lakeread01>
>
> I'd say that fits under the definition of "judgemental."
>
You said "why judge another for doing the same"... the same as what? I
judged his parenting skills.
I think we are beating a dead horse here. I am going to continue seeing
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