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| Lin |
Hi All:
Well, Christmas has come & gone, & we're still sittin here, waiting to go to
Kazakhstan. No letter of invitation to come into the country to adopt, as
they told us we'd have by now. Like I really expected to have it <snort>.
Can't believe a thing the agency people say anymore, & it pisses me off.
Meanwhile, I'm sure the kids are sitting in that orphanage, wondering where
the hell we are, & whether we've forgotten about them.
The situation in Kaz, w/ the families that just left there, has gotten
really bad. There were delays, & the families decided (despite the fact that
they signed their Power of Atty over to the people handling their adoption
cases) that they needed to bitch to everyone in the country about it -
including the US Embassy, which is now completely fed up w/ Americans
thinking they are able to intervene in Kaz gov't business. People have been
there anywhere up to 7 or 8 wks trying to complete their adoptions. Some of
that was due to changes in the adoption laws in Kaz, & some of it due to a
paperwork mixup involving some families. However, *most* of the families
just plain showed up in the country w/out having all the paperwork they were
supposed to bring w/ them...which, of course, was everyone's fault but their
own. All their bitching has wrecked the entire process for those of us who
are waiting to get over there.
The agency is now recommending that we make 2 trips to Kaz: the required 2
wk "bonding" period, & the court hearing. Then they want us to come back to
the US (leaving the kids behind), & coming back when the rest of the
paperwork has managed to go through the channels & we're allowed to bring
them home. I can't imagine leaving the kids behind after being w/ them for 2
wks.
So, in a nutshell, I have no clue what's going on, when we might be going to
Kaz, whether we'll be there for 3 wks or 5 wks or 8 wks, or if we'll be
coming home after 2 wks & going back later..........this whole thing just
hyper-sucks, & I hate getting jerked around.
Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
adoption at present.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| ZPL |
But as far as you know, adoptions are going through. Right?
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ac%Gb.81718$031.78558@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> Hi All:
>
> Well, Christmas has come & gone, & we're still sittin here, waiting to go
to
> Kazakhstan. No letter of invitation to come into the country to adopt, as
> they told us we'd have by now. Like I really expected to have it <snort>.
> Can't believe a thing the agency people say anymore, & it pisses me off.
> Meanwhile, I'm sure the kids are sitting in that orphanage, wondering
where
> the hell we are, & whether we've forgotten about them.
>
> The situation in Kaz, w/ the families that just left there, has gotten
> really bad. There were delays, & the families decided (despite the fact
that
> they signed their Power of Atty over to the people handling their adoption
> cases) that they needed to bitch to everyone in the country about it -
> including the US Embassy, which is now completely fed up w/ Americans
> thinking they are able to intervene in Kaz gov't business. People have
been
> there anywhere up to 7 or 8 wks trying to complete their adoptions. Some
of
> that was due to changes in the adoption laws in Kaz, & some of it due to a
> paperwork mixup involving some families. However, *most* of the families
> just plain showed up in the country w/out having all the paperwork they
were
> supposed to bring w/ them...which, of course, was everyone's fault but
their
> own. All their bitching has wrecked the entire process for those of us who
> are waiting to get over there.
>
> The agency is now recommending that we make 2 trips to Kaz: the required 2
> wk "bonding" period, & the court hearing. Then they want us to come back
to
> the US (leaving the kids behind), & coming back when the rest of the
> paperwork has managed to go through the channels & we're allowed to bring
> them home. I can't imagine leaving the kids behind after being w/ them for
2
> wks.
>
> So, in a nutshell, I have no clue what's going on, when we might be going
to
> Kaz, whether we'll be there for 3 wks or 5 wks or 8 wks, or if we'll be
> coming home after 2 wks & going back later..........this whole thing just
> hyper-sucks, & I hate getting jerked around.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
> adoption at present.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
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| Brian S. |
just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why adopt
from there when you can adopt in the states too.
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ac%Gb.81718$031.78558@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> Hi All:
>
> Well, Christmas has come & gone, & we're still sittin here, waiting to go
to
> Kazakhstan. No letter of invitation to come into the country to adopt, as
> they told us we'd have by now. Like I really expected to have it <snort>.
> Can't believe a thing the agency people say anymore, & it pisses me off.
> Meanwhile, I'm sure the kids are sitting in that orphanage, wondering
where
> the hell we are, & whether we've forgotten about them.
>
> The situation in Kaz, w/ the families that just left there, has gotten
> really bad. There were delays, & the families decided (despite the fact
that
> they signed their Power of Atty over to the people handling their adoption
> cases) that they needed to bitch to everyone in the country about it -
> including the US Embassy, which is now completely fed up w/ Americans
> thinking they are able to intervene in Kaz gov't business. People have
been
> there anywhere up to 7 or 8 wks trying to complete their adoptions. Some
of
> that was due to changes in the adoption laws in Kaz, & some of it due to a
> paperwork mixup involving some families. However, *most* of the families
> just plain showed up in the country w/out having all the paperwork they
were
> supposed to bring w/ them...which, of course, was everyone's fault but
their
> own. All their bitching has wrecked the entire process for those of us who
> are waiting to get over there.
>
> The agency is now recommending that we make 2 trips to Kaz: the required 2
> wk "bonding" period, & the court hearing. Then they want us to come back
to
> the US (leaving the kids behind), & coming back when the rest of the
> paperwork has managed to go through the channels & we're allowed to bring
> them home. I can't imagine leaving the kids behind after being w/ them for
2
> wks.
>
> So, in a nutshell, I have no clue what's going on, when we might be going
to
> Kaz, whether we'll be there for 3 wks or 5 wks or 8 wks, or if we'll be
> coming home after 2 wks & going back later..........this whole thing just
> hyper-sucks, & I hate getting jerked around.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
> adoption at present.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
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| Lin |
Oh yes, adoptions *are* going through. It's just that there's now a waiting
period of 15 days after the court procedings, which wasn't there before
(actually, it *was* always there, but they usually waived it). People are
showing up in Kaz w/out the paperwork they were specifically told they
needed to bring w/ them, & they aren't taking responsibility for their own
mistakes. And they stay in Kaz waiting for things to get moving, & being
typical Americans (=pushy, loud, inconsiderate of how different cultures
work & refusing to accept anything but The American Way of doing things),
they're only making the situation harder for everyone involved.
We sign our Power of Atty over to the Kazakh agency coordinators, so that
they're the ones who are navagating our case through the Kaz system - which
*they* understand, & we don't. But these families have tried to scream their
way into the process they don't understand, & have no legal right to get
involved in (cos of the PoA they signed). Our responsibility is to nod our
heads when they tell us to, jump through whatever hoops we have to jump
through, & come home w/ our kids. The people over there now, who are causing
all the problems, aren't even *talking* about their kids to the rest of us
who are waiting to travel - which makes me wonder why the hell they went
over in the first place!
Meanwhile, the agency isn't telling anyone the truth about what's going on
over there (which I know, cos I'm friends w/ a lady who was over there this
summer, & is still in contact w/ the agency coordinators in Kaz, who are
telling her about all of it). I only want our kids home w/ us, but I'd
appreciate a little truth on the way.
It'll happen......it's just getting more & more frustrating as we wait for
it to actually happen.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
"ZPL" <ZPL@cox.net> wrote in message news:qC0Hb.1309$zf.795@okepread05...
> But as far as you know, adoptions are going through. Right?
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ac%Gb.81718$031.78558@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Well, Christmas has come & gone, & we're still sittin here, waiting to
go
> to
> > Kazakhstan. No letter of invitation to come into the country to adopt,
as
> > they told us we'd have by now. Like I really expected to have it
<snort>.
> > Can't believe a thing the agency people say anymore, & it pisses me off.
> > Meanwhile, I'm sure the kids are sitting in that orphanage, wondering
> where
> > the hell we are, & whether we've forgotten about them.
> >
> > The situation in Kaz, w/ the families that just left there, has gotten
> > really bad. There were delays, & the families decided (despite the fact
> that
> > they signed their Power of Atty over to the people handling their
adoption
> > cases) that they needed to bitch to everyone in the country about it -
> > including the US Embassy, which is now completely fed up w/ Americans
> > thinking they are able to intervene in Kaz gov't business. People have
> been
> > there anywhere up to 7 or 8 wks trying to complete their adoptions. Some
> of
> > that was due to changes in the adoption laws in Kaz, & some of it due to
a
> > paperwork mixup involving some families. However, *most* of the families
> > just plain showed up in the country w/out having all the paperwork they
> were
> > supposed to bring w/ them...which, of course, was everyone's fault but
> their
> > own. All their bitching has wrecked the entire process for those of us
who
> > are waiting to get over there.
> >
> > The agency is now recommending that we make 2 trips to Kaz: the required
2
> > wk "bonding" period, & the court hearing. Then they want us to come back
> to
> > the US (leaving the kids behind), & coming back when the rest of the
> > paperwork has managed to go through the channels & we're allowed to
bring
> > them home. I can't imagine leaving the kids behind after being w/ them
for
> 2
> > wks.
> >
> > So, in a nutshell, I have no clue what's going on, when we might be
going
> to
> > Kaz, whether we'll be there for 3 wks or 5 wks or 8 wks, or if we'll be
> > coming home after 2 wks & going back later..........this whole thing
just
> > hyper-sucks, & I hate getting jerked around.
> >
> > Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
> > adoption at present.
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
>
>
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| Lin |
"Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why adopt
> from there when you can adopt in the states too.
Nope - Ohio born & bred.
Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually *impossible*
to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was working
in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, & the
situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in the
mid-80's.
Children who are taken away from their biological families due to neglect,
abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural parents,
etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back to
the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are families
who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into grade
school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want our
kid back", & they get them back.
In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
*might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no guarentee
that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the child in
your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids a yr
into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it *would*
be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited w/
their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly investigated.
They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right back
to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid either
gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them in
jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to tell
the state of Ohio that.
Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption licenses
expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little. :-D
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| jumpingmouse & kylie |
There was something in the news here in the past week or so where a mother
had abused/killed a child whom she had adopted from Khazistan (or however
you spell it :-) after having him here for only three months. I never did
hear the details tho. I believe it was in Phoenix, AZ. I wonder if that
could be slowing things down? Or, have you heard anything about that?
jumpingmouse & kylie
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:y52Hb.84737$031.25065@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> "Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why
adopt
> > from there when you can adopt in the states too.
>
> Nope - Ohio born & bred.
>
> Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually *impossible*
> to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was working
> in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
> into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, & the
> situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in the
> mid-80's.
>
> Children who are taken away from their biological families due to neglect,
> abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural
parents,
> etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back
to
> the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
> surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are
families
> who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into grade
> school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want our
> kid back", & they get them back.
>
> In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
> *might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no
guarentee
> that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the child
in
> your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids a
yr
> into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
>
> Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it *would*
> be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
> isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited w/
> their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly
investigated.
> They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
> kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right
back
> to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
> their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid
either
> gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them
in
> jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
> system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to tell
> the state of Ohio that.
>
> Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
> Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption
licenses
> expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
>
> Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
> internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
>
> Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little.
:-D
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
>
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| Lin |
Wow....I haven't heard about that! I'll have to check & see if there's
anything on the 'net about it.
As far as *I've* heard, that's not what's causing the delays in Kaz. The
word I'm getting from my friend who's in touch w/ the agency employees
coordinating adoptions in the city where our kids are, is that some
paperwork for some of the kids' passports (kids that were being adopted by
some of the Americans who were over there for so long) got mixed up. All the
applications had to be mailed back & sorted out.
Thanks for the heads up on this story, though. I'll check it out. How
terrible!
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
"jumpingmouse & kylie" <jumpingmouse02@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:yd2Hb.1943$d4.529@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> There was something in the news here in the past week or so where a mother
> had abused/killed a child whom she had adopted from Khazistan (or however
> you spell it :-) after having him here for only three months. I never did
> hear the details tho. I believe it was in Phoenix, AZ. I wonder if that
> could be slowing things down? Or, have you heard anything about that?
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
>
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:y52Hb.84737$031.25065@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> > "Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > > just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why
> adopt
> > > from there when you can adopt in the states too.
> >
> > Nope - Ohio born & bred.
> >
> > Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually
*impossible*
> > to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was
working
> > in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
> > into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, &
the
> > situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in
the
> > mid-80's.
> >
> > Children who are taken away from their biological families due to
neglect,
> > abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural
> parents,
> > etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back
> to
> > the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
> > surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are
> families
> > who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into
grade
> > school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want
our
> > kid back", & they get them back.
> >
> > In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
> > *might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no
> guarentee
> > that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the
child
> in
> > your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids
a
> yr
> > into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
> >
> > Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it
*would*
> > be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
> > isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited
w/
> > their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly
> investigated.
> > They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
> > kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right
> back
> > to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
> > their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid
> either
> > gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them
> in
> > jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
> > system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to
tell
> > the state of Ohio that.
> >
> > Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
> > Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption
> licenses
> > expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
> >
> > Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
> > internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
> >
> > Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little.
> :-D
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Lin |
Ok - found this on Netscape:
Boy adopted month ago allegedly killed
Associated Press
Dec. 22, 2003 04:58 PM
SCHAUMBURG, Ill. - A suburban Chicago woman accused of beating to death the
6-year-old boy she and her husband adopted from Russia last month was
ordered held on $3 million bond Monday.
Irma Pavlis was charged with two counts of first-degree murder. She admitted
that she struck her son, Alex, on several occasions, police Lt. Dennis
Carroll said.
Carroll said Pavlis, 32, called 911 Thursday afternoon to report that the
boy was not breathing. He died Friday evening of blunt head trauma, the Cook
County medical examiner's office said.
Authorities said Pavlis and her husband, Dino Pavlis, adopted Alex and a
5-year-old girl in Russia early last month. The girl, who apparently was
unharmed, was placed in the custody of the Illinois Department of Children
and Family Services.
Department spokesman Jill Manuel said the couple had arranged the adoptions
privately. The background check required in international adoptions showed
no criminal background or history of child abuse, Manuel said.
Police said Dino Pavlis was at work at the time the child was injured and
was not involved.
His employer, Grant DeNormandie, said the couple had been excited about the
adoptions and had gone to Russia three times to complete the process.
"This is something they've been looking forward to for a year," DeNormandie
said. "Dino's wife spent over a year learning Russian so she could try and
talk to them."
The children had no known behavioral problems, DeNormandie said.
---------------------------------------------
God, that sucks.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
"jumpingmouse & kylie" <jumpingmouse02@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:yd2Hb.1943$d4.529@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> There was something in the news here in the past week or so where a mother
> had abused/killed a child whom she had adopted from Khazistan (or however
> you spell it :-) after having him here for only three months. I never did
> hear the details tho. I believe it was in Phoenix, AZ. I wonder if that
> could be slowing things down? Or, have you heard anything about that?
>
> jumpingmouse & kylie
>
>
> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:y52Hb.84737$031.25065@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> > "Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > > just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why
> adopt
> > > from there when you can adopt in the states too.
> >
> > Nope - Ohio born & bred.
> >
> > Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually
*impossible*
> > to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was
working
> > in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
> > into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, &
the
> > situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in
the
> > mid-80's.
> >
> > Children who are taken away from their biological families due to
neglect,
> > abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural
> parents,
> > etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back
> to
> > the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
> > surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are
> families
> > who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into
grade
> > school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want
our
> > kid back", & they get them back.
> >
> > In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
> > *might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no
> guarentee
> > that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the
child
> in
> > your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids
a
> yr
> > into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
> >
> > Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it
*would*
> > be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
> > isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited
w/
> > their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly
> investigated.
> > They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
> > kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right
> back
> > to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
> > their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid
> either
> > gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them
> in
> > jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
> > system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to
tell
> > the state of Ohio that.
> >
> > Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
> > Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption
> licenses
> > expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
> >
> > Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
> > internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
> >
> > Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little.
> :-D
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Don't sweat it too hard hon. Today at work I met this guy who just got
back from that far neck of the woods with two little boys they had
just adopted. Only back home for 36 hours. He also had problems with
delays and red-tape.
He said it was worth every minute of anxiety plus some.
It'll happen.
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message news:<ac%Gb.81718$031.78558@fe3.columbus.rr.com>...
> So, in a nutshell, I have no clue what's going on, when we might be going to
> Kaz, whether we'll be there for 3 wks or 5 wks or 8 wks, or if we'll be
> coming home after 2 wks & going back later..........this whole thing just
> hyper-sucks, & I hate getting jerked around.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
> adoption at present.
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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"Cap" <cap_@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
news:53d2a9d2.0312261550.57ff543f@posting.google.com...
> Don't sweat it too hard hon. Today at work I met this guy who just got
> back from that far neck of the woods with two little boys they had
> just adopted. Only back home for 36 hours. He also had problems with
> delays and red-tape.
>
> He said it was worth every minute of anxiety plus some.
> It'll happen.
Oh yes, I *know* it'll happen. I'm just pissed off that the adoption agency
we're using can't seem to tell the truth about what's going on over there, &
that I have to depend on what other people are telling me about it.
On Wed, they sent us an addendum to our contract, which basically said that
we agree not to blame the agency for any delays. I wrote them back, & said
they should add a paragraph about their obligations to *us* - keeping their
clients up to date on adoptions laws & paperwork requirements in Kaz, as
well as explaining to us, in an honest, complete, & forthright manner, the
reason for any delays in the adoption process, so that we may make an
informed decision as to whether we stay in the country during the delay
time, or return to the US & make it a two-trip process.
If they're gonna make demands of *us*, I think we deserve something in
return. After all, we're payin out the nose for it.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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| swamp |
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:35:50 GMT, "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>Sorry for the rant, but at least you know what's (not) going on w/ the
>adoption at present.
As a CA ferret owner I know something about gov't bureaucracy and
understand the frustration. Unlike CA's nonsense, at least there's a
possiblility the Kazakh gov't has a genuine concern about its kids, or
at least that's the way I'd look at it. They're being extra careful is
all.
>Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
Keep pluggin',
-- swamp
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| Brian S. |
WOW, yes it did. I didn' know the states worked like that. That is crazy. I
guess we can't be good at everything. I was just curious but now i have the
whole prospective of the adoption process. I was going to say before that it
is a great idea none the less. i just was curious of the other country
adoption... thanks
brian s.
"Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:y52Hb.84737$031.25065@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> "Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why
adopt
> > from there when you can adopt in the states too.
>
> Nope - Ohio born & bred.
>
> Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually *impossible*
> to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was working
> in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
> into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, & the
> situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in the
> mid-80's.
>
> Children who are taken away from their biological families due to neglect,
> abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural
parents,
> etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back
to
> the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
> surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are
families
> who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into grade
> school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want our
> kid back", & they get them back.
>
> In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
> *might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no
guarentee
> that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the child
in
> your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids a
yr
> into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
>
> Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it *would*
> be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
> isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited w/
> their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly
investigated.
> They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
> kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right
back
> to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
> their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid
either
> gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them
in
> jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
> system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to tell
> the state of Ohio that.
>
> Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
> Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption
licenses
> expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
>
> Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
> internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
>
> Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little.
:-D
>
> Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
>
>
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| Lin |
"Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i9KdnXT1A7J3knCi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> WOW, yes it did. I didn' know the states worked like that. That is crazy.
I
> guess we can't be good at everything. I was just curious but now i have
the
> whole prospective of the adoption process. I was going to say before that
it
> is a great idea none the less. i just was curious of the other country
> adoption... thanks
>
> brian s.
Not all states are like Ohio, & it may be a *lot* easier to adopt elsewhere.
There are other states that make it just as hard as it is here, but right
off the top of my head, I couldn't tell ya which ones they are.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
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> "Lin" <ktnil@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:y52Hb.84737$031.25065@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
> > "Brian S." <deadhead73@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:wbqdnV3upeIZB3Gi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > > just curious are you originally from there? I was curious as to why
> adopt
> > > from there when you can adopt in the states too.
> >
> > Nope - Ohio born & bred.
> >
> > Ohio is what's called a "reunification state". It's virtually
*impossible*
> > to adopt domestically in the state of Ohio, which I know cos I was
working
> > in the juvenile justice system when the laws went into effect. We looked
> > into a domestic adoption before looking into international adoption, &
the
> > situation has only gotten worse since my working in the system back in
the
> > mid-80's.
> >
> > Children who are taken away from their biological families due to
neglect,
> > abuse, situations where the children are in danger w/ their natural
> parents,
> > etc, go into the foster care system here, & if custody is not given back
> to
> > the bio parents, they can be placed for adoption. Sounds good on the
> > surface. The problem is, there's no "time limit" on this. There are
> families
> > who have been foster parents of children from infancy, right up into
grade
> > school, when the bio parents came back & said "we've changed, we want
our
> > kid back", & they get them back.
> >
> > In Ohio, it can take up to 3 yrs to get a referal for a foster child who
> > *might* eventually be available for adoption....& there's still no
> guarentee
> > that you'll actually get to adopt the child, even if you've had the
child
> in
> > your custody for 10 yrs. The county I live in places about 150-ish kids
a
> yr
> > into foster care. During 2002, only 2 kids were successfully adopted.
> >
> > Reunification of disrupted families sounds like a good idea, & it
*would*
> > be, if this were a perfect world. In reality, though, it doesn't work, &
> > isn't good for the kids, either. Most of these kids are indeed reunited
w/
> > their bio parents, but the family's situation isn't thoroughly
> investigated.
> > They can *pretend* to be drug-free, no longer hitting or starving their
> > kids, & all that, but as soon as the caseworker leaves, things go right
> back
> > to the way they were......& the kid gets bounced in & out of the home w/
> > their family, different sets of foster parents, & etc, until the kid
> either
> > gets adopted (not likely), the parents do something that ends up w/ them
> in
> > jail, or the kid gets into trouble & ends up in the juvenile detention
> > system (where I worked). Reunification doesn't work, but don't try to
tell
> > the state of Ohio that.
> >
> > Many charitable organizations that handle adoptions (Lutheran Social
> > Services, Catholic Charities, etc) are letting their state adoption
> licenses
> > expire in Ohio, cos it just isn't worth it anymore.
> >
> > Despite the problems we're having, it's actually *easier* to adopt
> > internationally than it is to adopt in the state of Ohio.
> >
> > Long answer to a short question, but I hope that clarifies it a little.
> :-D
> >
> > Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Lin |
People suck, don't they? Poor kids.....
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
": : b r i a n : :" <users@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Y%3Hb.15580$Fg.9268@lakeread01...
> jumpingmouse & kylie wrote:
> > There was something in the news here in the past week or so where a
mother
> > had abused/killed a child whom she had adopted from Khazistan (or
however
> > you spell it :-) after having him here for only three months. I never
did
> > hear the details tho. I believe it was in Phoenix, AZ. I wonder if
that
> > could be slowing things down? Or, have you heard anything about that?
> >
> Hmm... oddly enough there were two *different* deaths in the news:
>
> First:
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news...s-beaten23.html
> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...cal/7553010.htm
>
> Second:
> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...cal/7553010.htm
>
> --
> Brian
> http://www.mozilla.org
> Because OE really, really sucks.
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